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    Question. Would it be reasonable to think that the AM rims built up with DT Revo spokes would be as 'stiff', for lack of a better word, as my Stan's Arch-Dt Comp build? Could it be so???

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockinrod42 View Post
    Question. Would it be reasonable to think that the AM rims built up with DT Revo spokes would be as 'stiff', for lack of a better word, as my Stan's Arch-Dt Comp build? Could it be so???
    Just as an example....

    The Roval 29"er Carbon wheels from Specialized come in two versions. The lighter with a less beefy front hub comes with Revo/Aerolites (Control SL). The beefier front hub AM version comes with SuperComps (Control Trail SL). Both use the same rims. The "beefier" wheel due to the front hub and the SuperComps I own are very stiff. Much stiffer than my I9 Flow Enduro wheels. I would imagine the carbon AM rims will be much stiffer than your Arch/Comp wheels - even with the lighter spokes.

    In terms of spoke choice and weights, this link will give you an idea for 64 spokes and what they weigh (at least the DT Swiss). Add a bit more grams as the length needed for the big hoops will be longer than what is used for the weight quote on that link (264mm length spokes).
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    What weight did you end up with?

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    That's exactly what I went with. You'll love em!
    I am considering a similar build.
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    Finally got my replacement rim and built it up the other night. It took a few weeks to get the rim because I told Nancy that I wanted one under 400g so it took them awhile to make one with my requirements (28H <400g). Keeping in contact with Nancy the lowest one they had last week was 403g so I told them to ship it. I have a 12hr race Saturday so I was cutting it close. So overall weight is Front 627g and the rear is 713g for a total of 1340g. I’ve been running the rear for a few weeks and went for a shakedown ride last night with the front. They are feeling great. I hate flexi rims and so far I’m real happy. We’ll see this summer, have a few 12hr and 24hr races planned.
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    For all those running Bonty strips, do you have yellow tape underneath as well? Is the yellow tape mandatory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    I am but only because it was already there. The Trek store guy that sold them to me insisted and reiterated that I didn't need it and actually wanted to pull it off but I stopped him just in case the strips didn't fit right. I'm 99% positive you don't need any tape. The strips fit like a glove and I don't see any way sealant would find it's way out.
    What size Bonty strip do you use for the wider rim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by macming View Post
    For all those running Bonty strips, do you have yellow tape underneath as well? Is the yellow tape mandatory?
    I am but only because it was already there. The Trek store guy that sold them to me insisted and reiterated that I didn't need it and actually wanted to pull it off but I stopped him just in case the strips didn't fit right. I'm 99% positive you don't need any tape. The strips fit like a glove and I don't see any way sealant would find it's way out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFYFZX View Post
    I am but only because it was already there. The Trek store guy that sold them to me insisted and reiterated that I didn't need it and actually wanted to pull it off but I stopped him just in case the strips didn't fit right. I'm 99% positive you don't need any tape. The strips fit like a glove and I don't see any way sealant would find it's way out.
    Thanks for the heads up! I'm going to try it out today and see what happens

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    For all those running Bonty strips, do you have yellow tape underneath as well? Is the yellow tape mandatory?
    You do not need the tape.
    The strips work great.

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    Got my wheels back yesterday. Wide rims for fat kids laced to CK hubs with supercomps. Heavy-ish but they feel bulletproof. That was the goal. Waiting on rimstrips to come in before I ride them.

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    lotta success stories

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    15mm thru

    Whew, just finished reading through these 39 pages and love what I've read. Long time lurker so I think I need to start posting. Few questions... sorry

    Just got my new ride (giant anthem X 29er 0) love the bike but hate the heavy wheels, I was so close to getting the new ZTR Arch EX wheelset but for the same price I wanna pull the trigger on these instead.

    Thought about building these with some DT swiss 240s, supercomp, etc... but instead I'm just gonna get their complete wheelset with the Novatec D881/882.. I believe someone mentioned that those particular hubs can be easily converted to the 15mm thru-axle correct? Or is it possible to have them(light-bicycles) set them up with 15mm thru-axle hubs?

    Also not to sure on what size the rear hub is or if it will fit my bike from them... anyhow I'll just keep reading/learning from this great thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonj51 View Post
    Whew, just finished reading through these 39 pages and love what I've read. Long time lurker so I think I need to start posting. Few questions... sorry

    Just got my new ride (giant anthem X 29er 0) love the bike but hate the heavy wheels, I was so close to getting the new ZTR Arch EX wheelset but for the same price I wanna pull the trigger on these instead.

    Thought about building these with some DT swiss 240s, supercomp, etc... but instead I'm just gonna get their complete wheelset with the Novatec D881/882.. I believe someone mentioned that those particular hubs can be easily converted to the 15mm thru-axle correct? Or is it possible to have them(light-bicycles) set them up with 15mm thru-axle hubs?

    Also not to sure on what size the rear hub is or if it will fit my bike from them... anyhow I'll just keep reading/learning from this great thread
    I e-mailed light-bicycle about the Novatec D881/882 hubs and they said they have the 15mm TA front hub in stock so if that's what you need, you are in luck.
    Even though the hub can be converted easily I haven't been able to find any place in the US that sells the different parts needed for the conversion.
    Supposedly Superstar Components Switch EVO hubs are rebranded Novatec D881/882 hubs. Superstar sells the different parts needed for the conversion(and they also sell spare freehubs and other hub parts) but they don't sell to the US.

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    I tries to set up the wide rims with yellow tape and I'm having a hard time getting the valve to seal. It's a Stan's valve. The tire blew up fine but it's leaking at the base of the valve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    I tries to set up the wide rims with yellow tape and I'm having a hard time getting the valve to seal. It's a Stan's valve. The tire blew up fine but it's leaking at the base of the valve.
    hit it with a dab of moldbuilder latex or even silicone caulk.
    i use the latex on every tubeless set-up i do just to preclude any issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    hit it with a dab of moldbuilder latex or even silicone caulk.
    i use the latex on every tubeless set-up i do just to preclude any issues.
    Thanks for the tip. I wasn't super happy with the bead security, so I'm going to wait on the rim strip. Will be doing this on my Arch wheels though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    Thanks for the tip. I wasn't super happy with the bead security, so I'm going to wait on the rim strip. Will be doing this on my Arch wheels though.
    np

    FWIW I also lay a bead of the latex between tire & rim using a needle-less syringe on every tubeless set-up I do now. It makes every set-up floor-pump-first-time-every-time and, while I haven't done controlled testing, I've never burped a tire set up this way, even running ~20 psi under a 205-lb rider on ghetto set-ups in very rocky terrain.

    I don't use ghetto tubeless anymore... I have one bike with Bonty TLR rims and one with Stan's, but still use the latex because it's easy and I'm a belt-and-suspenders type of person when it comes to critical equipment.
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    Fear Monger rolls...

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    The "fear monger" raised his curiosity enough to try and thrash a pair of these rims.

    I had the AM set built up today with my older American Classic hubs (front hub I can convert back and forth between 9mm QR and 15mm TA) and double butted black spokes with black nipples for the stealth look.

    1540g for the set before Rhythm strips and valves are installed.

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    I did a trial tire setup with my AM rims. Stan's yellow tape/valves + Spec Purgatory 2-Bliss and Schwalbe Rocket Ron tubeless ready and they both went on by hand and inflated very easily with a floor pump and a little soapy water. I tried to get them to 'burp' at 24-28psi, by hand rolling, but couldn't.

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    Heh....

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    My complete "Nancy Racing" wheelset just arrived.

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    Total weight: 1569 gr

    The wheelset is very well built. First ride impression, stiff, fast, light - perfect!










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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
    The "fear monger" raised his curiosity enough to try and thrash a pair of these rims.

    I had the AM set built up today with my older American Classic hubs (front hub I can convert back and forth between 9mm QR and 15mm TA) and double butted black spokes with black nipples for the stealth look.

    1540g for the set before Rhythm strips and valves are installed.

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    Those look sweet! Nice!!

    I can't wait to get your feedback on them.

    Man, y'all are making me totally horny to build a set of these, but I just blew my allowance on another Lefty fork. It's gonna be a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hogprint View Post
    I hear what your saying, but...

    They also indicate that the road rim limit is 130psi. I'm not one of their engineers so I have no idea what they are basing those limits upon. In my case I'm running a 40mm tire, using them on road/gravel and bought the overbuilt model specifically for enhanced durability. Since the 65/130 psi relationship appears arbitrarily based on a roughly 1" tire vs a roughly 2" tire I feel quite safe running 5-15psi over their recommendation with a 40mm tire.
    It all relates to the hoop stress that is generated by the internal pressure. As the internal diameter increases, so does the stress level.

    Stress = (Internal diameter *pressure)/2* wall thickness. You can assume that the wheel is the most critical component in the system, so the only thing that changes is the pressure and internal diameter created by the tire. If there is a known max pressure for a certain tire size, you can use this info to figure out what the max tire pressure for a given tire size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot View Post
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    Take that, Keith Bontrager!!

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    Those look sweet! Nice!!

    I can't wait to get your feedback on them.

    Man, y'all are making me totally horny to build a set of these, but I just blew my allowance on another Lefty fork. It's gonna be a while.
    Took them out for a test spin today (65 minute power fest on the HT). I used the Bontrager Rhythm strips and I'm not so sure they are needed. It was such a tight fit I had to use a tire iron to get my Nobby Nics on and didn't need an air compressor hose to air up. The floor pump was all I needed. Very secure bead with the Bonty strip. I probably could have just done yellow tape and valves, but they're secure now.

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    It cut 300g of weight from the set it replaced (King/Sapim/Blunts), so a bit more get up and go. Like my Rovals, these wheels with the light-bicycle rims are nice and firm in the corners as well as during out of saddle climbing and sprinting.

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    just received my third set today and they are blemish free.

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    Very close to buying a set of these rims, after speaking to Nancy reguarding the complete wheels but she said the hubs I required aren't available, so I might be buying the rims and having them laced onto something else.

    What hole count would you guys suggest for the light-bicycle 29" rim used as race day or road wheels?
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    i wanted the novatec 881/882 also, but i need the 20mm front and would love to have the 10mm thru on the rear. they don't have it and don't know when they will. the novatecs look a bit like the transition hubs... anyone know if they may be the same thing? transition has all the conversion kits and will sell to me unlike superstar
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    Not 100% sure but the transition hubs look alot like rebranded novatec hubs. No 20mm adapters in stock though

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    I put some spring miles (+300) on my rear powertap/AM rim on competition spokes last month. Most of them on road with a 23mm tire( on a 30mm wide rim!!! SO scary!!!). At a preventive 60-70 psi, I did a pinch flat on a sharp rock. Nothing on the rim. I ran into a big long crack 1" wide, did some scuffs on side but none was problematic. I did one run on very easy stuff mtb on Ikons exo tire (was easy at tubless set-up) but with somes stairs. Damn, this wheel is so stiff! I used to have a full suspension 26" 120mm bike, it's so different on a 29er HT with stiff wheels.

    I recommend these really stiff rims for suspended bikes. For hardtails, it will be rought on your butt!!!! My 5th rims is on the order sheet in china... I can't complain about the relative quality of these rims. This is really bang for the buck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by theHIP View Post
    transition has all the conversion kits and will sell to me unlike superstar
    Not sure if it's the exact same model as the Novatechs but Transition hubs are indeed Joytech units like Superstar sell (Novatech being Joytech's retail brand).

    TBC's pricing looks ok and they always treat customers well (Superstar can be a bit... short with people), seems like a good deal to me.

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    Superstar has a sale on theirs right now! I need to find someone in UK that will forward a package to me...

    i contacted the transition guys to ask about hub weights and they didn't know and didn't seem interested in finding out either. i know its a small deal to some, and they aren't weight weenies, but i would like to know...

    don't want to go with the carbon rims and lose the advantage with hevy hubs - some of the other novatecs are well over 400 for the rear



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    Not sure if it's the exact same model as the Novatechs but Transition hubs are indeed Joytech units like Superstar sell (Novatech being Joytech's retail brand).

    TBC's pricing looks ok and they always treat customers well (Superstar can be a bit... short with people), seems like a good deal to me.
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    I finally got a chance to see mine. I ordered them on Feb 20th and had them shipped directly to Industry 9 (I9). I9 shipped them to the dealer doing my build that is a few hours from my house so I was unable to see them. I was a bit nervous as they came the same time that most of the complaints about bad beads were coming in. I9 said they built up great and that they looked and built up just like the Rovals.

    I picked up my bike yesterday and put just over 25 fast race pace miles on them (with tubes). I have ridden many wheels and these are very stiff and very light. The best MTB wheels I have ever riden. I have never riden any other carbon wheels on a MTB bike but do ride Enve tubulars on my road bike.

    I came home and set them up tubeless with stans yellow tape and a bontrager valve stem. This was by far the easiest tubeless setup I have ever done and I have done many. They pumped right up as if they had a tube and that was with a floor pump. I then rode them 5 miles this morning through very rooty climbs and fast rooty descents. I never had any burps and the tire pressure is still set at 18 and 20, no lost pressure. I only rode 5 miles today because some darn stick jumped up and ripped my rear dérailleur off. Luckily the only damage was the bolt that holds it on broke.

    bottom line if you get a good set and I believe most are good these wheels are amazing right up there with my Enve's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonj51 View Post
    Whew, just finished reading through these 39 pages and love what I've read. Long time lurker so I think I need to start posting. Few questions... sorry

    Just got my new ride (giant anthem X 29er 0) love the bike but hate the heavy wheels, I was so close to getting the new ZTR Arch EX wheelset but for the same price I wanna pull the trigger on these instead.

    Thought about building these with some DT swiss 240s, supercomp, etc... but instead I'm just gonna get their complete wheelset with the Novatec D881/882.. I believe someone mentioned that those particular hubs can be easily converted to the 15mm thru-axle correct? Or is it possible to have them(light-bicycles) set them up with 15mm thru-axle hubs?

    Also not to sure on what size the rear hub is or if it will fit my bike from them... anyhow I'll just keep reading/learning from this great thread
    Hi there: I've got the same bike, thinking the same thing about the complete wheelset. FYI - Anthem X 29, X0 - uses a 15mm QR on the front, 10mm QR at the rear.

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    Mine's a 26" rim (wide) but as this is the main thread that deals with these rims, I thought I'd post here.

    My rim is UD matte, chosen specifically so that it would be easier to do visual checks for damage. Overall it looks pretty good with the exception of three areas around the bead which have clearly been filed down. I rather doubt this would have made it past QC for any of the big name manufacturers, but I'm going to get it built up anyway and see how it goes.

    Edit: Weight for a 26" is 375g.
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    are any of these rims good for someone who is 245lbs riding weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2000army View Post
    are any of these rims good for someone who is 245lbs riding weight?
    Peoples' riding weights are discussed in the thread. Suggest you have a look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2000army View Post
    are any of these rims good for someone who is 245lbs riding weight?
    Get them to make you a set of 430g rims. Nancy indicated a 110kg limit on those. While I'm not that weight I'm using these on a bike I load up for touring. Beefy.
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    First test for mine this weekend

    My set up: AM wide 29er rims Lefty front, sapim lasers, Rear DT swiss 240, sapim lasers on the non drive side, DT race on the drive side.

    Weight with one layer of stans tape was 1530.

    I mounted them up first with a set of Ikon and they popped and sealed up with zero issues, every bit as easy as my Arches. Mounted them up on my 29er scalpel 2. Compared to to the stock arches/dirty flea rear hub/ignitors/R1 160 rotors....this set up with ikons/ashima 160 rotors dropped 1.7lbs off the bike.

    First ride was at a local park that is generally very rocky, technical and full of steep climbs. Absolutely no issues. Took the road over to the park and instantly noticed the difference in acceleration. Bike just flies now. Once on the trail, I also noticed how stiff the wheels are. The ride was certainly more jarring over the busted rocky fire roads I was riding. But the turning, acceleration and climbing more than make up for this. Followed up this ride with another 20miles yesterday at a less technical, more flat and flowing park yesterday. Lot of banked turns. Bike feels more planted than ever in the turns now with no flex coming from the front wheel. After 40miles they are still in fine shape, no issue. Ran my ikons at 25ish psi, im 180lbs, and no issues with bumping even though some pretty solid rock gardens. So far, im super happy.

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    2000army: I would not rock carbon rims at 245lbs. First, you should be rocking 36H with heavy duty rims, and these rims do not come drilled in 36H. Heavy dudes need heavy equipment, nothing personal. I think I'm overweight for the 32h rims from "Bikeempowerment" that I'm currently riding on at 200-210lbs. Bikeempowerment rates their 32H Chris King/Carbon 29er wheelsets at 190lbs weight limit.
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    You can get them drilled for 36h, I would contact light-bicycle about your weight as they will custom beef them up accordingly
    Bikeempowerment is just rebranded light-bicycle rims marked up from what I remember reading

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    I hope this is appropriate to post here (Mod feel free to delete if not). I have a brand new set of light-bicycle 29er xc rims. I'm unable to post a classifieds link due to post count. If interested you can find the add under 29er bikes titled carbon 29er project. PM if interested..price includes shipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwagoner View Post
    I hope this is appropriate to post here (Mod feel free to delete if not). I have a brand new set of light-bicycle 29er xc rims. I'm unable to post a classifieds link due to post count. If interested you can find the add under 29er bikes titled carbon 29er project. PM if interested..price includes shipping.

    Here's your ad...

    Carbon 29er project - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories

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    Nater - Thanks man

    The rims are the XC version UD matte. Any takers?

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    How long is the shipping taking for those of you who purchased these wheels?

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    For me. Bike Empowerment. Met him at a coffee shop. Total time for me. 1 day!

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    Had anyone mounted Geax TNT tires on the wider rims? How'd the go on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rwagoner View Post
    Nater - Thanks man

    The rims are the XC version UD matte. Any takers?
    Sent you a pm...

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    My rims shipped 4/12 last Thursday and arrived 4/16 In Indiana. That's pretty dang fast to me.

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    2000army: I would not rock carbon rims at 245lbs.
    Respectfully disagree. I've was rockin on my ENVE/240s/AM wheelset for over 3 years at 225-245lbs. Sold them and bought the tubeless version.

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    Quite interesting stuff going on.

    I wonder if these rims would be too much for a carbon hardtail.

    Would the narrower rim version in a lower spoke count be less stiff and better suited for a carbon hardtail and or a lighter rider or would they be just weaker?

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    Somewhat OT but had a quick question about using some extra spokes I had for a build. This would be my first build so I'm not super familiar with spoke length specification.

    I was planning on building Hopes on Stans Crests and I know the ERD of the Crests is 605. Where as the light-bicycle rim has an ERD of 603. Will I be able to use the same spokes?

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