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    Generally I go with shorter-spokes stretch and too long is an unsolvable problem. Too short can be solved with longer nipples.
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    Actually, I guess too long can be solved if you have a local guy that can cut spokes which I don't.
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    Does anyone think I'll have any issues with the lighter LB rims I am getting at 361g & 369g? This is for a 29er wheelset on my rigid SS. I ride on mostly XC flowy singletrack but will also hit some jumps and some rocky sections. Not really sure of my riding style as this is my first fully rigid MTB (other than when I was a kid). I am 180lbs nekkid.

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    No, you will not have any issues. With carbon fiber if they got all the layers in (which I am sure they did) then the lighter wheels just mean they squeezed more resin out and that has no effect on strength so enjoy the extra light wheels!
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    (Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?

    Quote Originally Posted by pucked up View Post
    Yes!
    There is some crazy shite being posted in this thread, lol. The company got back to me and said they recommend 32h. Stronger is always going to be safer of course, but for a light 29er carbon racing wheel under a 180lb rider, I wonder if we can do better. 28h/32h; I'd probably do that with aluminum rims. Any more opinions on the viability of 24h front/28h rear? Would love to build up the wheelset under 1300g like the Valors.

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    I'm looking at buying a set of rims/wheels from Light bicycle and they have a few options I know nothing about and how they would affect the ride/fit of the wheelset.

    Choices are:

    Holes - 28H or 32, I assume 32 = stronger but weigh more while 28 is lighter.
    Spoke: DT revolution or Pillar Aero X-TRA 1420 - I have no idea what the difference would be.
    Lastly Hub choices from Hope or Novatec... I've only ever had Shimano XTs, I don't know a damn thing about either of these companies or anything about the specifics:

    15mm/12*142mm15mm/QR
    20mm/12*142mm
    20mm/QR
    QR/QR

    I have no idea what any of those things mean other than I'm fairly certain 15, 12 and 20 are through axel sizes. Can someone help explain why you'd choose one or another?

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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    Disregard the Prowheelbuilder calc- it is garbage.
    One wonders why they don't fix that, it's been crap for a long time... they must know it doesn't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nels View Post
    One wonders why they don't fix that, it's been crap for a long time... they must know it doesn't work.
    They probably don't give a s**t... and they paid the hell out of some lawyer to write their unbelievable disclaimer, so they don't have to worry about liability.
    it doesn't even use the simple math that they say it is based on... they even include a link to a wikipedia page where 3 minutes with a calculator will tell you their calculator is bogus.
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    I'm seeing 24h rims on the front of the new Industry9 Torch wheelset, as well as announced with the Notubes Valor. Wonder what kind of spokes would be best?

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    [QUOTE=brimorga;11083238]Rims arrived yesterday, shipped on Tuesday. 27.5 30mm internal hookless. Weight on everything at the lower end of the scale (ordered normal).

    Have you already measure the ERD? Which hubs will you use? Thx!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yourdaguy View Post
    No, you will not have any issues. With carbon fiber if they got all the layers in (which I am sure they did) then the lighter wheels just mean they squeezed more resin out and that has no effect on strength so enjoy the extra light wheels!
    Awesome, thanks.

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    Can anyone comment on tire choice with the hookless rims? Any issues to be reported there?

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    [QUOTE=maindog;11086396]
    Quote Originally Posted by brimorga View Post
    Rims arrived yesterday, shipped on Tuesday. 27.5 30mm internal hookless. Weight on everything at the lower end of the scale (ordered normal).

    Have you already measure the ERD? Which hubs will you use? Thx!
    Hi Maindog,

    I'm going to pay someone to build the rims, so I'll have them measure the ERD, as I don't have any nipples and spokes to do it. But I measured the internal rim diameter and assumed a nipple length and 1 rim is right on and the other is 1mm off, worst case 2mm.

    I'm going to build them up with DT 240s in the back and Chris King Oversized in the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polishtea View Post
    I'm looking at buying a set of rims/wheels from Light bicycle and they have a few options I know nothing about and how they would affect the ride/fit of the wheelset.

    Choices are:

    Holes - 28H or 32, I assume 32 = stronger but weigh more while 28 is lighter.
    Spoke: DT revolution or Pillar Aero X-TRA 1420 - I have no idea what the difference would be.
    Lastly Hub choices from Hope or Novatec... I've only ever had Shimano XTs, I don't know a damn thing about either of these companies or anything about the specifics:

    15mm/12*142mm15mm/QR
    20mm/12*142mm
    20mm/QR
    QR/QR

    I have no idea what any of those things mean other than I'm fairly certain 15, 12 and 20 are through axel sizes. Can someone help explain why you'd choose one or another?
    Have been weary waiting for LB rims, I went ahead for XMiplay carbon wheelset. Peter at XMiplay really helped me a lot. They shipped my wheels in 5 days after order, excellent service and good communication. He sent me some pictures, really impressive, It is only 1.5kg for 30mm width wheelset, looking forward to receiving them

    Hubs: Novatec D771/D772 15mm/142*12, XX1 cassette
    Spokes: Sapim CX-Delta
    Nipples: Sapim SILS Self-securing

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    received my rims yesterday, after ordering on 17th Jan. Yep, close to 70 days.

    Anyway, the rims look great. Started the build of the 29" wheelset immediately. My first wheel build, so took my time.

    I built with some 28H 240s straight pull hubs. Bought some cheap CN 424 spokes off ebay. Used the dtswiss calculator with 592 erd to come up with 298mm spokes (+-1mm). The rims arrived with an ERD slightly higher than stated. So the spokes are not quite reaching the flats in the nipples, but I used brass nipples (so hopefully they are strong enough). With the 27mm wide hookless LB 29" rims (360g on my scale), the wheelset came out at 1.41kg. I have only tensioned them to about 100kgf (around 15 on the park gauge), so may tighten them a bit more.

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    ERD 592-594 sounds usable for my chosen spokes.

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    Was searching for other reports on ERD for the 27 mm hookless rims, and found one measured at 595 and one at 596. So your experience seems to confirm that the ERD may be a bit higher than the stated 592.

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    My wheelset arrived yesterday. LB AM 12K matte rims, Novatech 711/712 hubs, aero spokes and nipples. I ordered on February 27th and they shipped this last Friday. Weighed in at 669g front, 807g rear for 1,476g total not including valves or tape.

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    I'm looking into grabbing a pair of wide carbon rims and building them up with some DT240s or ExtraLite hubs for XC / Marathon use. A few questions:

    1. What is the general consensus of the 27mm (24mm inner) hookless rim vs 35mm (30mm inner) hookless rim for XC use? The 27mm is 50-60 grams lighter per rim (so 100-120 grams lighter for the set). I also wonder if 35mm 'a bit much' for a lightweight XC bike? Or is wider better and just go with the 35mm?

    2. Seems to be some supply issues currently. Is XMIPlay a better option if I don't want to wait 2-3 months? I can hold off 4 weeks but that's about as long as I'd like to wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardCyclist View Post
    I'm looking into grabbing a pair of wide carbon rims and building them up with some DT240s or ExtraLite hubs for XC / Marathon use. A few questions:

    1. What is the general consensus of the 27mm (24mm inner) hookless rim vs 35mm (30mm inner) hookless rim for XC use? The 27mm is 50-60 grams lighter per rim (so 100-120 grams lighter for the set). I also wonder if 35mm 'a bit much' for a lightweight XC bike? Or is wider better and just go with the 35mm?

    2. Seems to be some supply issues currently. Is XMIPlay a better option if I don't want to wait 2-3 months? I can hold off 4 weeks but that's about as long as I'd like to wait.
    Can't answer your first question but I think the supply issue just had to do with the Chinese New Year. I think they got really backed up with orders and were playing catch up until now. I would expect to see more normal lead times now. Mine took less than a month to arrive for a full wheelset.

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    Re: (Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?

    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardCyclist View Post
    I'm looking into grabbing a pair of wide carbon rims and building them up with some DT240s or ExtraLite hubs for XC / Marathon use. A few questions:

    1. What is the general consensus of the 27mm (24mm inner) hookless rim vs 35mm (30mm inner) hookless rim for XC use? The 27mm is 50-60 grams lighter per rim (so 100-120 grams lighter for the set). I also wonder if 35mm 'a bit much' for a lightweight XC bike? Or is wider better and just go with the 35mm?

    2. Seems to be some supply issues currently. Is XMIPlay a better option if I don't want to wait 2-3 months? I can hold off 4 weeks but that's about as long as I'd like to wait.
    I was wrestling with the same question for a long time. I had hoped they would make a rim width between 27 and 35. I eventually decided to go with the 27 mm width since it is closer to what I have and seems better suited for my riding (aggressive XC to trail, some races, no big jumps). Several respected opinions still consider this to be a sweet spot for rim size (Specialized, GrannyGear on Twentynineinches.com, etc.). The 35 mm just seemed to be a bit extreme for me - the largest tire I'll ever run is probably 2.35, and I worry about exposing the sidewalls to the rocks any more than they already are.

    So I just ordered a pair of the 27 mm hookless rims from LB off eBay. They quoted 12 days for fab and 4 - 7 for shipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TedS123 View Post
    I was wrestling with the same question for a long time. I had hoped they would make a rim width between 27 and 35. I eventually decided to go with the 27 mm width since it is closer to what I have and seems better suited for my riding (aggressive XC to trail, some races, no big jumps). Several respected opinions still consider this to be a sweet spot for rim size (Specialized, GrannyGear on Twentynineinches.com, etc.). The 35 mm just seemed to be a bit extreme for me - the largest tire I'll ever run is probably 2.35, and I worry about exposing the sidewalls to the rocks any more than they already are.

    So I just ordered a pair of the 27 mm hookless rims from LB off eBay. They quoted 12 days for fab and 4 - 7 for shipping.

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    Been lurking for a bit, looking for info but I can't find it. Let me ask here, sorry if this is a re-post
    Looking to build a set of the 650b rims onto DT swiss 240s hubs with a 3x lace of Sapim cx-rays. ANy idea of spoke length out there? THanks in advance, I know it's a noob question but I've never built a wheelset before. I'm mechanically inclined and patient so I think I have what it takes. Plus I have some friends who can help

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    Re: (Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?

    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Derbys would have been a good choice for you
    I strongly considered the Derby's, but they are within 1 mm of the internal width of the 35 wide LB rim, plus are over $125 more per rim.

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    I ordered my set of LB on March 7th and according to the tracking info they are here at my post office.
    I should get them today.
    So 19 Days total that's not bad.

    Edit: After posting this above.....

    Got a knock at my front door @ 11:30 am P.S.T.
    It was a box from L.B. China in perfect condition rims were just packed in styrofoam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TedS123 View Post
    I was wrestling with the same question for a long time. I had hoped they would make a rim width between 27 and 35. I eventually decided to go with the 27 mm width since it is closer to what I have and seems better suited for my riding (aggressive XC to trail, some races, no big jumps). Several respected opinions still consider this to be a sweet spot for rim size (Specialized, GrannyGear on Twentynineinches.com, etc.). The 35 mm just seemed to be a bit extreme for me - the largest tire I'll ever run is probably 2.35, and I worry about exposing the sidewalls to the rocks any more than they already are.

    So I just ordered a pair of the 27 mm hookless rims from LB off eBay. They quoted 12 days for fab and 4 - 7 for shipping.
    I echo this whole post. I have tried different rim widths with 2.25's and don't think wider is always better given a specific tire size. I think it is the tire profile, the contact patch gets too wide for either the lug pattern or the way the plies of the tire carcass are laid up. That may be inaccurate but lets just say it just doesn't feel right to me.

    I may go with the 22mm internal rims in the end but wish they made some that were 24 or 25, because then it would be an easy choice. Just sticking with my Flows for now though.

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    How long did it take to get your LB rims once they shipped? Did the tracking info they provided track the shipment all the way to your house? The reason I ask is my rims were shipped on the 19th and it does not look like they have even made it to our shores yet...Just wanted to see what every one else's experience has been...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sevenz View Post
    How long did it take to get your LB rims once they shipped? Did the tracking info they provided track the shipment all the way to your house? The reason I ask is my rims were shipped on the 19th and it does not look like they have even made it to our shores yet...Just wanted to see what every one else's experience has been...

    6 days I'm in California if that makes any difference it looks like your tracking info is stalled mine did that for a couple days then a couple days ago it updated to current time.
    After mine were delivered I checked and it already showed them being delivered.
    Unless yours get kept in Customs for awhile you should have them this week yours shipped a day before mine.
    Did you order rims only or wheel set ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sevenz View Post
    How long did it take to get your LB rims once they shipped? Did the tracking info they provided track the shipment all the way to your house? The reason I ask is my rims were shipped on the 19th and it does not look like they have even made it to our shores yet...Just wanted to see what every one else's experience has been...
    Order my LB rims Feb 28th, they shipped March 20th and arrived in San Francisco on the 25th. They are now on their way to Colorado via USPS priority express

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    Hmmm...I only ordered Rims and I'm in NY...

    Quote Originally Posted by PauLCa916 View Post
    6 days I'm in California if that makes any difference it looks like your tracking info is stalled mine did that for a couple days then a couple days ago it updated to current time.
    After mine were delivered I checked and it already showed them being delivered.
    Unless yours get kept in Customs for awhile you should have them this week yours shipped a day before mine.
    Did you order rims only or wheel set ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cytoe View Post
    Order my LB rims Feb 28th, they shipped March 20th and arrived in San Francisco on the 25th. They are now on their way to Colorado via USPS priority express
    Ya mine got to San Francisco on the 24th and left on the 25th and they were here today but I'm less than 2 hours from SF.
    So ours came over together on the same shipment how funny.
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    Hmmm...I only ordered Rims and I'm in NY...
    Okay then you should get yours in a couple days yours are most likely on the same shipment as ours..
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    I got my rims yesterday 03-26-2014 and ordered from eBay on 03-13-2014.

    LB Hookless 27mm outer 22mm inner. Weight was 361grams, 361 grams, 347 grams. 32 Hole. Matte UD.

    SUPER FAST. Well packed. Look great. Completely happy currenlty. Hope they build up easily.

    ERD is 594/595 claimed at 592 which adds 1mm to spoke length.

    I'm ordering spokes based on 594 since I'm not sure my method of calculating is that precise. I cut two spokes to 200mm but not sure how many mm they may be off since I cut with some Park cable cutters. Using the Musson method... at least I think that's his name. Dude that does the eBook.

    Anyway, when the spokes get here I'll let you know how it goes.
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    i have 286 all the way

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    (Cheap) Chinese Carbon Rims?

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    i have 286 all the way
    That's not what your calculation says.
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    but my spokes are

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    Quote Originally Posted by manninen View Post

    i have 286 all the way
    whats the reasoning you just didnt do 286 and 288?
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    trusted erd592. i think 1.8mm messing nipple will last on my spoke count

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    So, my light-bicycle built wheels came yesterday. Hope hubs, aero spokes. AM wide hookless 29er's. Took them to my local shop and tensioned them. The spoke tensions seem crazy low. Front non-disk side was reading 3-5 on the Park gauge, with most reading 4. Front disk side was reading 9-12, with most around 10. Seemed to be crazy low tension. Rear was similar. Rode around my street a little and already threw the rear out of true. Dropped them off at my wheel builder to double check and possible re-tension both wheels. Can't get recommended tensions from Light Bicycle (other than max of 180Kgf), reading that some have gone with 110-120 Kgf as their build tension. Right now, according to park spoke calc, and tensioner, my low tension is under 50 Kgf. I am a clydes, so I think high tension would be better? Should I redo them closer to 110 on the high side, and about 90 on the low??? Thanks

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    Yes 110 would be good for a clyde on the high side.
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    Clyde here. I rarely go over 110 when I build myself wheels. I shoot for 95-100

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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    I got my rims yesterday 03-26-2014 and ordered from eBay on 03-13-2014.

    LB Hookless 27mm outer 22mm inner. Weight was 361grams, 361 grams, 347 grams. 32 Hole. Matte UD.

    SUPER FAST. Well packed. Look great. Completely happy currenlty. Hope they build up easily.

    ERD is 594/595 claimed at 592 which adds 1mm to spoke length.

    I'm ordering spokes based on 594 since I'm not sure my method of calculating is that precise. I cut two spokes to 200mm but not sure how many mm they may be off since I cut with some Park cable cutters. Using the Musson method... at least I think that's his name. Dude that does the eBook.

    Anyway, when the spokes get here I'll let you know how it goes.
    Has the rim design changed? That seems awfully small to me. IIRC, mine were 604mm ERD and I used 290-292 -ish spokes for my hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot View Post
    Has the rim design changed? That seems awfully small to me. IIRC, mine were 604mm ERD and I used 290-292 -ish spokes for my hubs.
    Were yours the Cross Country ?
    These are the newer hook less style.
    I remember when I first looked at LB rims the Cross Country were 604 ERD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manninen View Post
    trusted erd592. i think 1.8mm messing nipple will last on my spoke count
    they will be close to long enough, and the brass nipples appear to be strong enough to handle a few less threads holding the spoke in (from what i've read anyway).

    any reason you went supercomps over normal comps? for your situation (too-short spokes), the reduced strength of the supercomps (i.e. smaller diameter at the threads) is exactly where you don't need it.

    it might be worthwhile buying some longer nipples. the design of the longer dt-swiss nipples (i am not sure if it is their alloy or brass ones, or both) allow for shorter spokes. ie. vs 12mm nipples, the 14mm take 1mm shorter spokes, the 16mm take 2mm shorter spokes. i could upload the photo from the wheel pro wheelbuilding book (which shows cutaways of the different length dt nipples) which shows this, but i am not gonna rip off the guy that helped me so much with learning to build wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rovershack View Post
    So, my light-bicycle built wheels came yesterday. Hope hubs, aero spokes. AM wide hookless 29er's. Took them to my local shop and tensioned them. The spoke tensions seem crazy low. Front non-disk side was reading 3-5 on the Park gauge, with most reading 4. Front disk side was reading 9-12, with most around 10. Seemed to be crazy low tension. Rear was similar. Rode around my street a little and already threw the rear out of true. Dropped them off at my wheel builder to double check and possible re-tension both wheels. Can't get recommended tensions from Light Bicycle (other than max of 180Kgf), reading that some have gone with 110-120 Kgf as their build tension. Right now, according to park spoke calc, and tensioner, my low tension is under 50 Kgf. I am a clydes, so I think high tension would be better? Should I redo them closer to 110 on the high side, and about 90 on the low??? Thanks
    So, my wheel builder checked them out and felt that the tension that they came with was fine. He also mentioned that they were super stiff. I took them and road a super technical trail here in Denver called Dakota Ridge, super chuck, rocky, 2-3' drops and they handled it all with no complaint. I am happy so far.

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    Also, super fast tubeless set up with NO issues at all. Ran a strip of Gorilla tape, threw in the Stan's valve stems and the seated up just fine. These are the bead hookless 35mm outer width rims.

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    I got mine on order with the undrilled rim bed. We'll see how the build goes, I'm expecting it to take an extra couple hours for sure

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    ok let´s cut theory at this point. ok i´ve build only 2 carbon wheel now and for me they are bit different to build than dual eyelet aluminum ones. when i get the build done i take pictures at nipples which shows where spoke are.

    but NDS side is 1-2mm too short at this point and spoke shouldn´t go over the nipple

    super comp was just because i´ve never done those before, first choice was alpineIII

    and isn´t 1.8mm nipple stronger than 2mm?

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    yeah, you'd think the nipple was stronger, but the spoke wouldn't be. i have heard stories of supercomps failing where they come out of the nipple (i.e. at the threads)

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    I take risks everyday when i woke up

    more seriously. my friend said it´s ok super comps for me, he is tough rider and has not broke any of those

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    i take risks everyday too - but try to avoid ones that there is little to no benefit of taking

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