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    Anyone get their hands on a Surly Knard 29x3"?

    Like the title says... Has anyone actually received a 29x3" Knard tire yet? I'm super curious to see what rims you can run with these tires. I'm currently running P35's and I'm hoping they're not too narrow for these tires.

    I want the Knard for the front by the way. I know it won't fit in the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trrubicon06 View Post
    Like the title says... Has anyone actually received a 29x3" Knard tire yet? I'm super curious to see what rims you can run with these tires. I'm currently running P35's and I'm hoping they're not too narrow for these tires.

    I want the Knard for the front by the way. I know it won't fit in the frame.
    The tires are not shipping yet.

    Will fit fine on a P35.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    The tires are not shipping yet.

    Will fit fine on a P35.
    I know they haven't shipped yet, but didn't know if SPECIAL people have been given the chance to use them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trrubicon06 View Post
    Like the title says... Has anyone actually received a 29x3" Knard tire yet? I'm super curious to see what rims you can run with these tires. I'm currently running P35's and I'm hoping they're not too narrow for these tires.

    I want the Knard for the front by the way. I know it won't fit in the frame.
    I have two Knard 29 x 3" folding tires, and two Rabbit Hole rims.

    Yes, you can fit the Knards to the P35 rims. I think you'll end up running slightly higher pressures to keep the tire from rolling off the rim. I would not personally feel comfortable running Knards on P35's--just a bit too narrow of a rim.

    I think the RH rims are great, but I'm already looking forward to something wider--more on the order of a 29" Marge Lite--to really spread out the casing and give a more square footprint. Knard is still pretty bulbous on the RH rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I have two Knard 29 x 3" folding tires, and two Rabbit Hole rims.

    Yes, you can fit the Knards to the P35 rims. I think you'll end up running slightly higher pressures to keep the tire from rolling off the rim. I would not personally feel comfortable running Knards on P35's--just a bit too narrow of a rim.

    I think the RH rims are great, but I'm already looking forward to something wider--more on the order of a 29" Marge Lite--to really spread out the casing and give a more square footprint. Knard is still pretty bulbous on the RH rims.

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    Is it fair to ask if you can give the weights of the tires and the rims? Or did Surly ask a gag order? Don't mean to put you on the spot...feel free to ignore if there's some ethical line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    Is it fair to ask if you can give the weights of the tires and the rims? Or did Surly ask a gag order? Don't mean to put you on the spot...feel free to ignore if there's some ethical line.
    Ask all you like, but I have no idea what the answers are.

    The rims and tires felt light--like 'OMG how can this stuff have a Surly label on it' light.

    They ride light too--just like a mountain bike with float, but none of the ponderousness of a fat rig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    Is it fair to ask if you can give the weights of the tires and the rims? Or did Surly ask a gag order? Don't mean to put you on the spot...feel free to ignore if there's some ethical line.
    Claimed weights are 820g for the 120tpi Knard and 700g for the Rabbit Hole rim
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    Claimed weights are 820g for the 120tpi Knard and 700g for the Rabbit Hole rim
    That's really light for such a big tire considering that a "28" x 2.35 inch Big Apple tire is quite a lot heavier. Schwalbe specs. them at 890 grams but mine are a bit more than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Ask all you like, but I have no idea what the answers are.

    The rims and tires felt light--like 'OMG how can this stuff have a Surly label on it' light.

    They ride light too--just like a mountain bike with float, but none of the ponderousness of a fat rig.
    But with your weight weenie reputation, I figured you weighed everything. Below Shiggy mentions the claimed weights, I was just trying to get some real-world confirmation. So light the weights are almost hard to believe, especially for the tire.

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    Have you seen this ?

    Surly Krampus Review - BikeRadar

    They say the tires weigh 1150gr

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas View Post
    Surly Krampus Review - BikeRadar

    They say the tires weigh 1150gr

    That's a lot more than stated above. Hopefully the production 29 X 3" tires will be a bit more light than 1150 grams each, making Krampus a bit more lithe. If they end up weighing that much it would be nice if the tires were also super tough. I looked up the weight I
    measured on my Big Apples for comparison purposes (Schwalbe Big Apple 28 X 2.35” 1075 & 1074 grams) and they are up there in weight too and are still huge fun to ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1 View Post

    That's a lot more than stated above. Hopefully the production 29 X 3" tires will be a bit more light than 1150 grams each, making Krampus a bit more lithe. If they end up weighing that much it would be nice if the tires were also super tough. I looked up the weight I
    measured on my Big Apples for comparison purposes (Schwalbe Big Apple 28 X 2.35” 1075 & 1074 grams) and they are up there in weight too and are still huge fun to ride.
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    Bikeradar does not say if they had the 120tpi or 27tpi tires. The later would be heavier.

    The Big Apple tread is relatively thick and slick treads can have more rubber than knobby treads. Add in the commuter baised casing and the Knard could still be as light. The claimed 800g is still way light.
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    Realise only a few have tried them so far but any feedback on knards in mud yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    Bikeradar does not say if they had the 120tpi or 27tpi tires. The later would be heavier.

    The Big Apple tread is relatively thick and slick treads can have more rubber than knobby treads. Add in the commuter baised casing and the Knard could still be as light. The claimed 800g is still way light.
    Right, forgot that there were going to be two versions of the Knard, the 27 tpi and 120 tpi models. That isn't mentioned under the Knard description on the Surly website but it is in the Surly Blog.

    We've told you most of the pertinent details of the new 29x3.0 Surly Knard tire. It'll be about 820g for the 120tpi folding version and pretty close to that for the 27tpi. It's got blocks and whatnot for a tread pattern and it is 100% the best thing ever in the history of the universe and if you don't buy two you don't know anything about anything and you're a big jerk. It's also a very nice tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Ask all you like, but I have no idea what the answers are.

    The rims and tires felt light--like 'OMG how can this stuff have a Surly label on it' light.

    They ride light too--just like a mountain bike with float, but none of the ponderousness of a fat rig.
    That is good feedback on the tire/rim combo.

    Already have a hub here with spokes waiting for a RH rim. Thinking it might be a little bit with all the interest on this combo. I'm hoping the 29er tire is a major success for Surly and they will want to offer additional tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by octavius View Post
    Realise only a few have tried them so far but any feedback on knards in mud yet?
    Rode them on the Krampus at a demo day a few months back. Trail was wet-ish from a rain the night before. In the patches of red clay peanut butter mud the Knards got pretty slippy. In the more loamy and sandy parts of the trail they were fine, but I'm definitely looking forward to something more like a 29x3" Nate.

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    thanks bike hippy.
    torn between getting a fat front (nate) or hanging back and going for a 29+. your comments on the knard are what id expected and its not for me but a nate 3.0 could be in the future...
    cheers

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    Octavius, I also did not have a lot of time to play with tire pressures at the demo. I would estimate I was running the tires around 15 psi. With more time to play I'm sure one could find the sweet spot for these tires and get a little better traction out of them.

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    tubeless?

    Any opinions on running them tubeless (Stan's Arch)?

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    Bikeradar does not say if they had the 120tpi or 27tpi tires. The later would be heavier.
    Actually, there is a picture of the tire and it is clearly labeled as a 27tpi, which would make it the heavier wire bead version, so a folder should be lighter. However, 300gm lighter would be a stretch unless it was a UL casing, but then the price should be higher than $120...

    I was suprised to see Mikesee's comments concerning the fit on a P35, though I suppose if we're already running 3.8" tires on the 65mm LM, then going down by ~25% would lead us to ~50mm rim...

    I ride muni, so right now I am limited to a 36h hub with a Nimbus Dominator 2 42mm rim, but if the tire works out and my dream hub (32h) arrives, I'll build up a Rabbit Hole fer sure.

    I have two Knards on order, one 29 x 3" and a 26 x 3.8, can't wait for Santa to bring me some late presents

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    Quote Originally Posted by bike hippy View Post
    Rode them on the Krampus at a demo day a few months back. Trail was wet-ish from a rain the night before. In the patches of red clay peanut butter mud the Knards got pretty slippy. In the more loamy and sandy parts of the trail they were fine, but I'm definitely looking forward to something more like a 29x3" Nate.
    Some D-bag neg repped me for this response.

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    Sad news from Surly, the Knard 29 x 3 120 tpi has been delayed, March at best

    Word on the street is that some of these tires, 850 were distributed, but I was not able to find out to whom or to where.

    I'll pay a nice premium if someone will turn me on to one of these tires.

    Yes, I only need one, it's the only benefit of riding a unicycle: fewer parts = lower costs.

    Send me a PM if you can help me out. Mum is the word

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Sad news from Surly, the Knard 29 x 3 120 tpi has been delayed, March at best

    Word on the street is that some of these tires, 850 were distributed, but I was not able to find out to whom or to where.

    I'll pay a nice premium if someone will turn me on to one of these tires.

    Yes, I only need one, it's the only benefit of riding a unicycle: fewer parts = lower costs.

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    Heard that as well. Think Surly knows they opened up a can of worms. Now they are trying to feed the supply chain so they can reliably deliver product.

    I do know that there are a handful out there mostly with people inside the industry. Have a friend who ended up getting an early sample. From the sounds of it looks like the Knard will be a nice tire. Hoping the Krampus will bring about wider tire options.

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    Does anyone know if the Rabbit Hole rim got released on 1/7 as previously rumored?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    Sad news from Surly, the Knard 29 x 3 120 tpi has been delayed, March at best

    Word on the street is that some of these tires, 850 were distributed, but I was not able to find out to whom or to where.

    I'll pay a nice premium if someone will turn me on to one of these tires.

    Yes, I only need one, it's the only benefit of riding a unicycle: fewer parts = lower costs.

    Send me a PM if you can help me out. Mum is the word
    How credible is that info about 850 tires being distributed? I'd really like to know where they went, anyone have a clue? I REALLY need to get my hands on a pair of these, any help would be appreciated!

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by erik h View Post
    Any opinions on running them tubeless (Stan's Arch)?
    your probably better off running them on something wider like the flow or the Flow EX for starters...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjduct View Post
    your probably better off running them on something wider like the flow or the Flow EX for starters...
    Agreed wider rims the better. (even though I have not yet ridden the tires.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by erik h View Post
    Any opinions on running them tubeless (Stan's Arch)?
    As previously stated, at least a P35 is recommended. Neither Arch or Flow come close to the minimum recommendation.

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    Does anyone know if the Rabbit Hole rim got released on 1/7 as previously rumored?
    No go from my local shops. They're saying March. Maybe.

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    Surly facebook page says Krampi framesets, Knard tires, and RH rims are shipping to shops on 1/17. I'm not clear on whether the big distributors like Quality will get them or if they're all going to LBS's with big pre-orders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnroyal View Post
    Surly facebook page says Krampi framesets, Knard tires, and RH rims are shipping to shops on 1/17. I'm not clear on whether the big distributors like Quality will get them or if they're all going to LBS's with big pre-orders.
    If anyone hears any news about when individual rims and tires will be available, please post up. Latest rumors are March. From what I've heard, initially you won't be able to get rims and tires unless you pre-ordered a frameset. Now, that could be bad information, so post up if you hear.

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    Quality serves the LBS, and owns/founded Surly, they might get a few of them.

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    Random update but some LBS in Minneapols received the frame sets and rim/tire combo on 1/15. My was built up and ready 1/17 (and in time for my birthday yesterday) see angrycatfishes FB page for pics,etc. rims and tires only available with pre-ordered frame sets. I weighed two 127tpi Knards and both were 700g. I weighed four Rabbit Holes, 2x680g, 690g,and 700g were respective weights. Total weight was around 28 lbs with the wheels set up ghetto tubeless using 24" tubes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbruning View Post
    Random update but some LBS in Minneapols received the frame sets and rim/tire combo on 1/15. My was built up and ready 1/17 (and in time for my birthday yesterday) see angrycatfishes FB page for pics,etc. rims and tires only available with pre-ordered frame sets. I weighed two 127tpi Knards and both were 700g. I weighed four Rabbit Holes, 2x680g, 690g,and 700g were respective weights. Total weight was around 28 lbs with the wheels set up ghetto tubeless using 24" tubes.
    You say the tires are 700 grams? That's almost unbelieveable. And I'm not saying I don't believe you, but...Holy crap that's light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbruning View Post
    Random update but some LBS in Minneapols received the frame sets and rim/tire combo on 1/15. My was built up and ready 1/17 (and in time for my birthday yesterday) see angrycatfishes FB page for pics,etc. rims and tires only available with pre-ordered frame sets. I weighed two 127tpi Knards and both were 700g. I weighed four Rabbit Holes, 2x680g, 690g,and 700g were respective weights. Total weight was around 28 lbs with the wheels set up ghetto tubeless using 24" tubes.

    There
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    how much is the wheith of de knard 27tpi????

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironman13 View Post
    how much is the wheith of de knard 27tpi????
    Earlier in this very thread, somebody weighed them in at 1150 grams. In this very thread.

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    I think he's asking the width?? If so, it's right on the Surly blog.

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    Db Jeff, can you guys put the calipers to those tires and tell us what you get (height and width), also what rims (width) are they mounted on?

    I've been riding a 26 x 4 Knard 120tpi, not sure I like it, traction is so so, lots of autosteer, terrible on crown and off camber, hopefully that's a non issue on the narrower tire.

    Put up some ride feedback once you get some miles on the Knards...

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    Surly/Salsa on a road tour promoting fat bikes and Krampus. I plan to hang out at Island Lake in SE Michigan tomorrow afternoon to get a first hand look see.

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    i will try to get a side by side pic of the knard on a p35 and rabbit hole posted later today

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    Edit: As of 1/24/13, it's probably best to call Tree Fort before making an order.

    Someone over in the 29er Krampus thread claims Treefortbikes has stock of rims and tires available. I went and checked. From what I can see, the Rabbit Hole and the 27tpi Knard are available to order. Stock looks good the site says.
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    The Rabbit Hole rim is only available with a frame purchase. I wonder if its the same with the Knard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stremf View Post
    The Rabbit Hole rim is only available with a frame purchase. I wonder if its the same with the Knard?
    You sure? I have a Rabbit Hole in my cart at Treefort and it takes me to checkout. I'm right up to the point where you have to pay. Edit: Same with the 27tpi tire. I think they must have at least a few for sale w/o frameset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    You sure? I have a Rabbit Hole in my cart at Treefort and it takes me to checkout. I'm right up to the point where you have to pay. Edit: Same with the 27tpi tire. I think they must have at least a few for sale w/o frameset.
    Look at one of the questions and TFB's response on the Rabbit Hole page. They say frame purchase is required. But maybe that's old info. Hope you can get your rim and tire!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stremf View Post
    Look at one of the questions and TFB's response on the Rabbit Hole page. They say frame purchase is required. But maybe that's old info. Hope you can get your rim and tire!
    Edit: Call Treefort first, according to Dan below the orders aren't going through as of 1/24/13.

    Yeah, I saw that, but it appears to be older info. At least in the sense that you can put a rim and tire in the cart and pay. Unless TFB comes back and and refuses payment. But if you try to order the 120tpi tire, the website doesn't even give you the option of placing it in the cart. Thanks for the well-wishes. I think I'm going to wait until the 120tpi tires are out. I think I can live until I can save up the coin to pay for both a front and back wheel.
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    I jumped on the chance to order the 27tpi tire. The order went throughbut then this morning I get the email saying that the went to back order but the site still shows in stock. So looks like im still waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fixgeardan View Post
    I jumped on the chance to order the 27tpi tire. The order went throughbut then this morning I get the email saying that the went to back order but the site still shows in stock. So looks like im still waiting.
    Fixgeardan, sorry to hear this. I edited my posts above so hopefully others won't get lured in. Hopefully, something will get sorted out quickly with TreeFort, and they will send yo u a tire asap.

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    Like everyone else around here im on multiple watch lists, friends in the biz watching out. My 50mm wheels with Ardents are great but I want my Knards!

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    fixgerdan , have you picture the ardents 2,4 in 50mm rim

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    No but I can try tonight.It makes it HUGE.

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