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    American Classic All Mountain Vs Stans Arch EX

    Hi
    Anyone got any feed back on the pros and cons of these new wheel sets. Heard the AC hubs are better than the stan hubs, etc
    Is the AC wheel $150 better wheel than the Arch Ex.
    Ease of airing up tubless.

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    Floydo,

    I cannot comment on the Arch EX, but I do have the AmClassic AM 29ers. They are the smoothest stiffest wheel I have ever been on. Granted I haven't been on Carbon yet, so I can't compare against that, but they are fantastic wheels! The Hubs are top notch, I have both the tubeless XC 29 that I have been rolling with on my SS for a couple years now...no degrade in performance yet, and have about 800mi. on the AMs, and they have been stellar! Comparing hubs, yes I'd say the AC hubs are much better. They have a 6 pawl engagement vs the Stan's 3 pawl system, and like I said...2yrs, no maintenance, no adjustments.

    I am not sure how much the Arch EX's go for, but if you go to Bike Bling and use the "REALDEAL" coupon code, you can get the American Classic AM 29s for $629. Maybe that might bring the price closer to a decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubdryver View Post
    Floydo,

    I cannot comment on the Arch EX, but I do have the AmClassic AM 29ers. They are the smoothest stiffest wheel I have ever been on. Granted I haven't been on Carbon yet, so I can't compare against that, but they are fantastic wheels! The Hubs are top notch, I have both the tubeless XC 29 that I have been rolling with on my SS for a couple years now...no degrade in performance yet, and have about 800mi. on the AMs, and they have been stellar! Comparing hubs, yes I'd say the AC hubs are much better. They have a 6 pawl engagement vs the Stan's 3 pawl system, and like I said...2yrs, no maintenance, no adjustments.

    I am not sure how much the Arch EX's go for, but if you go to Bike Bling and use the "REALDEAL" coupon code, you can get the American Classic AM 29s for $629. Maybe that might bring the price closer to a decision.
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    The 2011-12 hubs are awesome. The hoops are stiff, Hubs engage super fast, and NO FLEX. The most annoying thing about the stans were the flex. Like riding a rubber band.
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    got about 50 miles on a set of AC all mountains and no noticeable flex. and i am 255#. they seem a bit stiffer than a flow/hope pro 2 set i had and are quite a bit lighter.
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    Are the AC's eyeleted ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chase1963 View Post
    Are the AC's eyeleted ?
    NO, but they are batter all around wheels than any stans wheels. I've been beating arches, flows,and the AM Mtn tubeless. Hands down the AC's are stiffer, just as easy to setup tubeless, and lighter than stans... did I mention the wheels have less bearing drag! Wheels will spin forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyag1 View Post
    NO, but they are batter all around wheels than any stans wheels. I've been beating arches, flows,and the AM Mtn tubeless. Hands down the AC's are stiffer, just as easy to setup tubeless, and lighter than stans... did I mention the wheels have less bearing drag! Wheels will spin forever.
    If they're that much better, AND you can mount a Geax tire on 'em, I'm switching to AC wheels for my next new set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyag1 View Post
    NO, but they are batter all around wheels than any stans wheels. I've been beating arches, flows,and the AM Mtn tubeless. Hands down the AC's are stiffer, just as easy to setup tubeless, and lighter than stans... did I mention the wheels have less bearing drag! Wheels will spin forever.
    Is that like using cake batter instead of stans to seal um

    What exactly do you mean "You've been beating" other rims? Are there wheel fighting contests I dont know about?

    btw bearing drag is in the hubs not rims... Oh you silly guy you

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    I have to say...I have a pair of AC hubs laced to stan's arches and the hubs do spin real real well.......They are sweet hubs for sure. I have done my own servicing/ bearing replacement and have totally rebuilt my rear hub after three years of SS'ing and they are still in primo shape. I plan to ride these for many more years!
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    Are the AC's a double wall rim?

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    Wink Convinced me Guys

    Thanks for the feed back off to get some AC, little pricey Down under, but by the sounds of it well worth it. Riding a dually 26 has made me a lazy rider, more bombing trails than picking lines, so i need some decent wheels on the Paradox to compensate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Floydo View Post
    Thanks for the feed back off to get some AC, little pricey Down under, but by the sounds of it well worth it. Riding a dually 26 has made me a lazy rider, more bombing trails than picking lines, so i need some decent wheels on the Paradox to compensate.
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    My first experience with the new(er) AC hubs were mounted on ZTR 355s for my Blur Carbon. When I changed to the Tallboy, I originally went with some OEM Rovals Control EL due to the 20mm T/A. Great wheel by the way! About 3 months ago, I bought the AC AM29s and I could not believe the difference..it was literally night and day, and the difference in stiffness is huge compared to the XC29. The XC29s are on my girl's bike, and the Roval's are now on the pictured Selma with my Tallboy and the AM29s. Both sets of wheels absolutely rock for their intended purpose. Granted the Tallboy is technically a XC/Trail bike, I use it as my "do-it-all" bike, and train and ride locally on my SS, but I ride both equally!
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    I need a thru axle hear hub for my Epic Comp, but it`s not easy to found this hubs. Mavic doesn`t have it, either Cobalts. Any sugest? I was thinking in DT 350, with Crest rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubdryver View Post
    My first experience with the new(er) AC hubs were mounted on ZTR 355s for my Blur Carbon. When I changed to the Tallboy, I originally went with some OEM Rovals Control EL due to the 20mm T/A. Great wheel by the way! About 3 months ago, I bought the AC AM29s and I could not believe the difference..it was literally night and day, and the difference in stiffness is huge compared to the XC29. The XC29s are on my girl's bike, and the Roval's are now on the pictured Selma with my Tallboy and the AM29s. Both sets of wheels absolutely rock for their intended purpose. Granted the Tallboy is technically a XC/Trail bike, I use it as my "do-it-all" bike, and train and ride locally on my SS, but I ride both equally!
    Sounds to me like the AC rims might be good laced to some solid hubs like Dt Swiss, CK's, Hadley or something. Its hard to overlook the very flakey reviews on the AC Hubs although Im not saying that tells the whole story...

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    I know the old AC hubs were plagued with problems, but the new ones..or atleast the newer freehub body design that I have been using since '07 with the notches cut out on the flange have been stellar. i would put the quality up there definitely with the DT Swiss, CKs and Hadleys. I own/have owned all but Hadleys, and the Pictured Selma is now using Roval Mounted DT 240s which gets ridden 3-4 days a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace5high View Post
    Sounds to me like the AC rims might be good laced to some solid hubs like Dt Swiss, CK's, Hadley or something. Its hard to overlook the very flakey reviews on the AC Hubs although Im not saying that tells the whole story...
    The hubs were redesigned last year so this argument is now invalid.
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    The very flakey reviews?
    It's my understanding AC hubs use-to-be junk, supposedly that's all fixed now... from my experience they have been great.

    I did blow up a DT 240... and after the repair gave those pieces to my wife. But she doesn't weigh 215 lbs either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    The hubs were redesigned last year so this argument is now invalid.
    Good to know

    Didn't mean it to be a side to an argument, I have no experience with them personally so I cant comment. I was just saying for someone "reviewing hubs to pick" it might be hard to overlook...

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    I have them on my Rip9 and love them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace5high View Post
    Good to know

    Didn't mean it to be a side to an argument, I have no experience with them personally so I cant comment. I was just saying for someone "reviewing hubs to pick" it might be hard to overlook...
    The Taiwan made DT Swiss made stuff is subpar IMO but due the DT Swiss name people flock to them. I think like anything it is a perception thing. My DT Swiss 350's are noticeably not as good as my AC's on my other bike will soon be changed out. So if anyone what's my Roval Control Trails let me know.
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    Engagement of these hubs?

    Hello all,
    To those of you using these newer AC wheelsets (XC and AM are same hubs I believe)....how do you find the rear engagement?
    That is my main concern before pulling the trigger on the AM29 wheelset, as 12 point engagement seems low for the rooty, semi-technical portion of my riding.
    Also, anyone weigh these? The AC site claims 1680gm for the AM29.
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleventhcog View Post
    Hello all,
    AC wheelsets / hubs....how do you find the rear engagement? 12 point engagement seems low
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    You better go stans + Hadley / King / I9 / or something else...
    It's a shame AC want sell us just the rim... 420g of goodness!

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    The American Classic All Mountain wheelsets are a bit pricey, compared to Stans. Can't beat $480 for Crest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    The Taiwan made DT Swiss made stuff is subpar IMO but due the DT Swiss name people flock to them. I think like anything it is a perception thing. My DT Swiss 350's are noticeably not as good as my AC's on my other bike will soon be changed out. So if anyone what's my Roval Control Trails let me know.
    Well thats unfair, because the same could be said about any manufacturer that has multiple facilities all over the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JulioCWB View Post
    I need a thru axle hear hub for my Epic Comp, but it`s not easy to found this hubs. Mavic doesn`t have it, either Cobalts. Any sugest? I was thinking in DT 350, with Crest rims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polishdog View Post
    The American Classic All Mountain wheelsets are a bit pricey, compared to Stans. Can't beat $480 for Crest.
    $480 and they throw in the flex for free?

    Also AC has no rider weight limit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    $480 and they throw in the flex for free?

    Also AC has no rider weight limit.
    Nothing against AC, but guys who ride heavier more expensive wheels bashing lighter cheaper wheels is more trolling than a comparison...

    Here's a thought... Maybe you could try comparing them to wheels in their weight AND price range

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace5high View Post
    Nothing against AC, but guys who ride heavier more expensive wheels bashing lighter cheaper wheels is more trolling than a comparison...

    Here's a thought... Maybe you could try comparing them to wheels in their weight AND price range
    I have DT 350 laced with rovals on one of my bikes. On my 26 epic I had Easton's EC90's those were bit more than my AC's,

    Im not bashing them, Stan's are super flexy or at least the pair of crests I purchased from Universal cycles were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    $480 and they throw in the flex for free?

    Also AC has no rider weight limit.
    Flex? Maybe, if you're a 300+ # gorilla.
    Maybe it's your frame or fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polishdog View Post
    Flex? Maybe, if you're a 300+ # gorilla.
    Maybe it's your frame or fork?
    I'm a buck 70 and the Stan's were on my carbon stumpy ht, hardly a flexy bike. Crests are known to flex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polishdog View Post
    The American Classic All Mountain wheelsets are a bit pricey, compared to Stans. Can't beat $480 for Crest.
    as they say: you get what you pay for

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    $480 and they throw in the flex for free?

    Also AC has no rider weight limit.
    crests are flexy compared to AC AM's because they are a different class of wheel. a comparable set to the AC AM's would be flows on CK's or hopes.

    Also, AC has a weight limit for every wheelset they make.

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    I replaced my Stan's with MTB 29 tubeless AC wheels not All Mountains. The All Mountains are replacing my Rovals trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    I replaced my Stan's with MTB 29 tubeless AC wheels not All Mountains. The All Mountains are replacing my Rovals trails.
    how much difference do you notice between the two AC sets? Hubs are the same, right? rims are bit wider and "stronger/stiffer."

    i got the All mountain wheels because im 255# but i wonder if the others would have been ok. I ride pretty much wheels on the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eleventhcog View Post
    Hello all,
    To those of you using these newer AC wheelsets (XC and AM are same hubs I believe)....how do you find the rear engagement?
    That is my main concern before pulling the trigger on the AM29 wheelset, as 12 point engagement seems low for the rooty, semi-technical portion of my riding.
    Also, anyone weigh these? The AC site claims 1680gm for the AM29.
    Thanks
    engagement is where AMC hubs suffer. the design saves a ton of weight, but unlike a pawl system, the cam plate has to be pushed through the entire engagement motion every time you engage. for example, in a pawl system with, say, 12 POE, the maximum rotation to engagement is 360/12=30 degrees. if you happen to start the pedals right as the pawls click, however, you might experience 0 degrees to engagement. most often it will be between those, with the average slightly higher than half.
    on an AMC hub, you turn 30 degrees every time you engage, regardless of where you start. practically, it means they feel like less engagement than a pawl system with the same POE. I thought they upped their engagement from 12 though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    engagement is where AMC hubs suffer. the design saves a ton of weight, but unlike a pawl system, the cam plate has to be pushed through the entire engagement motion every time you engage. for example, in a pawl system with, say, 12 POE, the maximum rotation to engagement is 360/12=30 degrees. if you happen to start the pedals right as the pawls click, however, you might experience 0 degrees to engagement. most often it will be between those, with the average slightly higher than half.
    on an AMC hub, you turn 30 degrees every time you engage, regardless of where you start. practically, it means they feel like less engagement than a pawl system with the same POE. I thought they upped their engagement from 12 though...
    Magic is not in the hub, it's in the AC rim
    If engagement is important to you then by all means go elsewhere
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    Quote Originally Posted by texasnavy05 View Post
    how much difference do you notice between the two AC sets? Hubs are the same, right? rims are bit wider and "stronger/stiffer."

    i got the All mountain wheels because im 255# but i wonder if the others would have been ok. I ride pretty much wheels on the ground.
    I think you did well with the AM wheels. I never saw that weight limit chart, though.

    I am 185# and I trashed 2 AC front rims between 2007 and 2010. The new XC rim is prob'ly a little different, but the XC rim, once bent, was gone. There was no fixing it. They were a tad narrow for me, too, once I started trying out 2.4" tires.
    The rear wheel is rolling into its 5th season with a 2.1" Ignitor on it, though, so something is working right.
    In general, I think someone who weighs ~180# is at the threshold of needing heavy duty parts. I ride pretty lightly, but I make mistakes, too. The mistakes were the end of that light AC rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    I thought they upped their engagement from 12 though...
    I think they did some design tweaks to the hubs, but I don't beleive that they've upgraded their engagement. The website still lists 12poe in the FAQ section. 12 poe is wildly inadequate for a mountain bike, in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleventhcog View Post
    Also, anyone weigh these? The AC site claims 1680gm for the AM29.
    Thanks

    I emailed AC with the question. Their new catalog says the set is 1752 grams and the website says 1680. Their answer was that the 1752 grams is correct.

    I weighed them when i got them with my (not very accurate) scale and they came in at 1740 grams. (924 and 816 respectively) That was with the included rim tape and valves.

    So, that is a ballpark for you. But, from reading many peoples weight reports on AC wheels, they seem to almost always be spot on with the advertised weight. So I would count on 1752.
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    I think there's some confusion here, the AC hubs use 6 pawls, each have 2 teeth, hence
    12 teeth engage at a time, but they do this 24 times every rotation of the wheel...
    so they are actually 24 "clicks" per rotation, or 15 degrees of engagement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nels View Post
    I think there's some confusion here, the AC hubs use 6 pawls, each have 2 teeth, hence
    12 teeth engage at a time, but they do this 24 times every rotation of the wheel...
    so they are actually 24 "clicks" per rotation, or 15 degrees of engagement.
    This is correct, I was just writing a similar post myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texasnavy05 View Post
    I emailed AC with the question. Their new catalog says the set is 1752 grams and the website says 1680. Their answer was that the 1752 grams is correct.

    I weighed them when i got them with my (not very accurate) scale and they came in at 1740 grams. (924 and 816 respectively) That was with the included rim tape and valves.

    So, that is a ballpark for you. But, from reading many peoples weight reports on AC wheels, they seem to almost always be spot on with the advertised weight. So I would count on 1752.
    This is due to the new hub and free body design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    This is due to the new hub and free body design.
    Talk about design, any of you guys happen to have time on the new AC RACE wheels? 1419 grams, 28mm wide x 22mm rims. Seems like a game changer in the light/stiff/non-carbon area of wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyag1 View Post
    Magic is not in the hub, it's in the AC rim
    If engagement is important to you then by all means go elsewhere
    I say we all pressure AC to sell rims damn their wheelsets only program
    As recently as a couple of years ago the rims AMC was using were catalog spec'ed and you could buy identical IRD rims from Speedgoat.

    Don't know if things have changed, but their designs have always relied on the solid reliability of reasonable spoke counts and conventional spoking and the lightness of their hubs to gain an edge.
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    New question here.

    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    As recently as a couple of years ago the rims AMC was using were catalog spec'ed and you could buy identical IRD rims from Speedgoat.

    Don't know if things have changed, but their designs have always relied on the solid reliability of reasonable spoke counts and conventional spoking and the lightness of their hubs to gain an edge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GSJ1973 View Post
    I hardly doubt any of the above to be true unless you can prove what you post. American Classic Part 3 - YouTube
    lol
    wtf are you talking about?
    what does "hardly doubt" mean?
    do you doubt AMC wheels use conventional spoking and spoke counts? do you doubt that their hubs are light?
    Bill Shook is a smart guy, but do you buy his BS about regular aluminum nipples breaking all the time?
    despite what is basically a marketing video (good thing the FOV doesn't include the interviewer's massive boner), they said nothing about the rims.



    the rims I am talking about were back in these days:
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    Time to stop believing the hype and start doing some science.
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    I think the engagement could be a little faster, but it is it really slow? Not at all, 24T is acceptable in my opinion. The part that is the best about their hubs is how well they are made. They are still very strong hubs for how light they are. The engagement system is very strong. They also have steel inserts on the aluminum hub body to counter cassette/cog gouging. All of this is replaceable, and the incredibly fast bearings have a ceramic upgrade. They accept a wide variety of axle systems..though I am kind of bummed that the 20mm version doesn't currently have end caps to support 9/15, but hey, they are All Mountain wheels!

    I have 2 sets of AC wheels (as pictured in a previous post): The XC ones and the AM ones. The AM wheels far exceeded my expectations for how well they rolled, how smooth they were, and how stiff they felt. I seriously never been on a wheel that felt that good. They feel completely different than the XC ones..not that the XC ones are bad..they make awesome racing/ss wheels, but the AM version is just a ridiculously sound wheel..my words don't speak for just how good these wheels are!

    Twenty Nine Inch did a review of these wheels, I think that is also worth reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubdryver View Post
    I know the old AC hubs were plagued with problems, but the new ones..or atleast the newer freehub body design that I have been using since '07 with the notches cut out on the flange have been stellar. i would put the quality up there definitely with the DT Swiss, CKs and Hadleys. I own/have owned all but Hadleys, and the Pictured Selma is now using Roval Mounted DT 240s which gets ridden 3-4 days a week.
    Could you please comment on the engagement of the AC hubs vs Hope Pro 2s?

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