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    Absolutely fed up with Avid Elixr on my Stumpjumper

    Now, i dont mean to '***** and moan' HOWEVER, i am fed up with this breaking system. My stumpjumper is not even 8 months old (but gets ridden hard- Micheux series, frederick water shed, Maximus, dark hollow etc..) and i have had NOTHING, but issues with my Avid Elixr set-up. Constant problems consist of both the front and rear breaks constantly locking up/seizing (pistons stuck all the way IN) i have had the breaks bled NUMEROUS TIMES over the course of 6-7 months, (both front and rear) to solve this issue. This process is done literally, every other week and i am simply fed up. I ride with a friend of mine that runs a Niner with a Hope breaking system and has not bled the breaks in 5 years! AND this guy runs in numerous endurance type races. I also ride with a neighbor that runs a single speed rigid with a BB7 mechanical system and he also has ZERO issues. I am thinking about dumping this crap break set-up for something different. Has anyone else run into this same issue? I did some re-search prior to this post and the "popular" issue i see, is from simple break pad incorrect install where the break pistons do NOT recess BACK IN. Mine simply get stuck in the RECESSED position, CONSTANTLY. Very frustrating and a waste of money having to constantly bleed the breaks.

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    I would think Avid would warranty their brakes, not sure if you contacted them. Having said that, after a week with my Avids I swapped them for Maguras. Happy camper ever since.

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    i took the elixers off my stumpy and put them in the toilet where they belong. went with hope and couldn't be happier.
    on a side note, the bb7's on my dirt roadie are awesome.
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    I feel your pain. Had Avid Elixir 3 on mine. swapped them out with Hope X2 Evo and couldnt be happier.

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    You can get the new xt brakes without rotors for $200 from jenson usa.

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    Get the shop to contact Avid about warranty replacement. Hopefully you can get a replacement set and sell them.

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    I have heard Magura is very good. As stated the other guy i ride with has the Hope system and has not bled the brakes in 5 years!. My other neighbor uses the BB7 mechanical on his single speed rigid and he swears by them (after having numerous mtn bikes from full suspension to his now single speed rigid) Just looked up the XTR's and read a few reviews that are still, similar to my constant horror story. I am not exaggerating, i have to have either the front OR back bled every other week. It is simply Ridiculous! Just replaced my rear brake pad this past week prior to riding Teaberry (terro of teaberry-mucheux series) and the back was fine. Rode Frderick, md Watershed yesterday. got 5 miles in and NO rear brakes. I was simply just pissed!. I finished off the 15 mile ride having to just be careful with the front brakes on some of the technical downhill stuff, but it is just frustrating because i love get out and ride. I ride fast and very aggressive, the technical stuff i eat up. It is hard to train for events when your equipment constantly shits out on you. Thanks for all the help to everyone. I will just have to make a choice in regards to sticking with hydraulic OR going mechanical.

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    SLX, XT, XTR. Take your choice. They all have the same braking power and weigh pretty close to one another. Pick whichever one meets your $ to bling ratio and live happy.

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    I'm not defending elixir, as I have had some issues, but the pistons not engaing is really strange. I have had the pistons not retreating with a change of pads but that is an easy fix with just letting some fuild out of the caliper. For a piston to seize so that it wont come out under pressure from the lever is wierd. Did it happen mid ride after working perfectly? I am tempted to suggest they are faulty under warrantee or not bled properly.

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    Time to call Avid..they will/should help you.
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    i got my xtr trail brakes here...$373 for the set

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch2 View Post
    I'm not defending elixir, as I have had some issues, but the pistons not engaing is really strange. I have had the pistons not retreating with a change of pads but that is an easy fix with just letting some fuild out of the caliper. For a piston to seize so that it wont come out under pressure from the lever is wierd. Did it happen mid ride after working perfectly? I am tempted to suggest they are faulty under warrantee or not bled properly.
    Exactly why this is getting ridiculous. A lot of the research i have done resulting in commonalities is exactly what you stated. That the pistons do not retract and the quick fix is to unscrew the bleed screw to let about a drop of fluid out OR to use WD40 OR gt85 and the pistons will usually 'break' free and retract. My case is that both the front and rear pistons have been seizing in the recessed position constantly, resulting in constant brake bleeding procedures. When i went to ride Teaberry, i replaced my rear pad before the ride. (No rubbing and the brakes seemed to be fine during the ride) Rode Watershed yesterday with a few friends and the rear simply crapped out and i had nothing, the pistons were not engaging out at all. This happens FREQUENTLY between both the front and rear. The front had to be bled just two weeks ago BECAUSE the pistons were seized in the recessed position and i had no front brakes. This week, it is my back brake. "shits getting old"

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    I started biking last year and I will share that the Elixirs initially soured me on MTB.

    I now am using XT's and after fixing (upgrading) a few other parts am now happily in a steady relationship with MTB.

    SRAM would not warranty my brakes as they basically wanted to me to sink a bunch of money into repairing the brakes before they would help. Not worth spending $60 to rebuild a caliper and hope that the sticky pistons wouldn't resurface...along with lever issues.

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    No probs with the XTs. They're also super silent, so you can brake like a ninja!

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    I had some Stock Hayes brakes on a Kona a few years back. They constantly gave problems so eventually I upgraded to Hope Mini at the start of 2008. I still have them on my spare bike and they are still going well. They probably were bled once a year and occasionally needed new pads but I've been very happy with them. When you've been used to hassle, it's a good feeling when you get something that works well. I've had Hope X2 evo on my new bike since Feb this year and they are even better. I've had one pad replacement so far and i ride dirty conditions quite often. Reccommended.

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    Have had the same experience with the Avids on several riding buds bike, from Elixir 3s to XX, all have given trouble ( that's 7 bikes with them). I had Juicy7s, they weren't fantastic, but I never had to be constantly bleeding them or having issues like these, don't know WTF happened. Guys have left their bikes sitting for a few weeks, come back to ride it and as said, BRAKES are locked onto the rotors. Only advice I give people when they come to me now with problems on Avids is to tell them to replace them with Shimano SLX or XTs. As to contacting Avid, yeah, they'll maybe say they need warrantying, and then tell you to contact your shop to get it done, so if you live somewhere without a local Avid/SRAM dealer you $hit out of luck.
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    Looks like it's time to wave the white flag and move on to something else.

    On my friend's bikes I've seen numerous hydro brakes fail, squeek constantly, need constant bleeding ot adjustments etc.

    This is why I've stuck to my trusty ol' BB7. They hardly require any maintenance. I never worry about them, They always work. I can adjust them myself if I need to, no mess.

    I've been tempted to get new brakes because I hear glowing reviews of xt/xtr disc brakes, but then I hear horror stories too and I'm not sure I want to deal with that.

    Seriously, if you want some brakes that work all of the time, you mostly xc/trail ride you can't go wrong with BB7. They have more than enough stopping power, they are cheaper than hydro, and are more worry free.

    Sorry to hear of your pain, hope you settle it all out.

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    I had a SJ and hated the brakes. I ride in MD and my trail has a couple of creak crossing, as soon as they're wet, everyone knows I'm out riding.

    I have XT on my new bike and love them, not a sound out of them.
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    I like taking breaks, I typically only do so when I am tired though.

    As far as my BRAKES, yes I have Elixir's as well and they aren't all that great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blaklabl View Post
    I like taking breaks, I typically only do so when I am tired though.

    As far as my BRAKES, yes I have Elixir's as well and they aren't all that great.
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    Are you bleeding them yourself of getting a shop to do it?

    I had a similar issue with my Elixir CR on my Epic. I had to pump the brakes three times before it would fully apply on one ride which led to some sketchy downhills.

    I finally took them in to a shop to get fixed. The problem wasn't the bleeding, but a part of the brake that needed replacing. The shop had a few of the required spare part as Avid sent a bunch out to shops for warranty issues (can't remember what it was called - maybe something to do with barrel??). They didn't charge me for the part even though it wasn't the shop I'd bought the bike in. They just charging me for the labor which was like $15.

    That was over a year ago and they are still running like they were bled yesterday.
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    Get the shop to get you replacements. Take them and put them on ebay. Buy anything else.

    My new xts have been 100% trouble free. The pads NEVER drag on the rotor. Which is amazing to me because during years of using avids I constantly had issues with the pistons sticking or not extending equally.

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    In the same boat with my Elixer 3's. Very very noisy and not confidence inspiring.

    I'm considering the XTs for $200 for F/R set from jenson or hayes prime expert for $210 for F/R set from pricepoint. Both have great reviews, and am not sure what to go with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rothnic View Post
    In the same boat with my Elixer 3's. Very very noisy and not confidence inspiring.

    I'm considering the XTs for $200 for F/R set from jenson or hayes prime expert for $210 for F/R set from pricepoint. Both have great reviews, and am not sure what to go with.
    Personally for a bike, I like Shimano and not having to deal with DOT fluids.
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    I feel lucky, never had a moment's trouble out of my Elixirs. I had a set of Hayes that wouldn't work for me though, so I replaced them with BB7s, and I'll do the same for the Elixirs if they ever act up.
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    Which XTs are you referring to, the older 775 or the newer 785s? If the newer 785's, good luck finding a set for $200 US from anywhere, only thing close was Jenson had some OEM take offs for $99 that came with standard pads and not the Ice Tech, but they disappeared fast. I'm in the process of getting the new 785s from CRC (going through some issues with the order) but best price I found (after I placed my order) was with Wiggle with their 10% off on orders over 99 pounds. Not much difference between them, but so far experience wise I'd lean towards Wiggle.

    One thing to be aware of though when ordering from European sites is that they mostly get their brakes setup "moto" style so if you're accustomed to running them with the rear on the right, you'll have to swap the hoses around as the XTs are not a flip flop design like the Avids - only thing they have going for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by rothnic View Post
    In the same boat with my Elixer 3's. Very very noisy and not confidence inspiring.

    I'm considering the XTs for $200 for F/R set from jenson or hayes prime expert for $210 for F/R set from pricepoint. Both have great reviews, and am not sure what to go with.
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    Appears to be front only on sale unless I am missing something...still a good deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddublu View Post
    Appears to be front only on sale unless I am missing something...still a good deal.
    That's twisted...I checked wonder what's up with that? Haven't called.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Which XTs are you referring to, the older 775 or the newer 785s? If the newer 785's, good luck finding a set for $200 US from anywhere, only thing close was Jenson had some OEM take offs for $99 that came with standard pads and not the Ice Tech, but they disappeared fast.[/I]
    Yeah, the ones I was referencing are without the "ice tech". Looks like they only have the front in stock. What is the deal with only the front set being on sale at both jenson and bluesky...

    I guess the Hayes are looking decent then. I've seen mixed reviews on Hayes, but they tend to be against the stroker line. Everything about the prime line has been really good. Found a couple accounts of people who have used both the prime and new XTs and like them both. The Prime also seemed to have a nice way to adjust the spacing of the pads around the disc. I just wish I had picked up the Prime Expert when they were still $180 for a set.

    Edit: Went back and navigated on my own in bluesky and it looks like it is both front and rear (SLX). Only front available for XT.
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    I did pick up some XT rotors for $15 and $19 though...thanks.

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    Sorry to hear you are having problems. Mine are trouble free. I do have to spread the pads each time I take a wheel off and put it back on though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    Sorry to hear you are having problems. Mine are trouble free. I do have to spread the pads each time I take a wheel off and put it back on though.
    I know I'll sounds like a jerk, but since that is not normal, I'd say you do have problems with yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    I know I'll sounds like a jerk, but since that is not normal, I'd say you do have problems with yours.
    It's normal for Avids

    I just leave 'em on or put a Brake pad block thing in there if I'm transporting.
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    BB7s... Reliable, simple, plenty of stopping power, and just work. If for some reason you DO have an issue, its likely trail fixable.

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    I have 6 month old XO brakes. They have already been replaced once bt Sram under warranty, they are absolute junk! I am anxiously awaiting my new XTR Trail brakes so all my braking woes can be put behind me. Could have done without the expense thou!!! I used Dura Ace all the time on my road bikes and i should have known that if reliability and performance are your drivers then Shimano is the go-to brand.

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    Xt brakes all the way. The rest of the group I ride with are slowly all going the xt route after dealing with avid brakes. Can't believe the even make a such a disappointing product.

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    Well I learned a new trick to check actual stock last night and gave it a try @ Jenson on these OE XT brakes, put it in my cart and bumped the # up to 100. When it reloaded said I could only get 95 of them, so they have LOADS of stock of these, so don't go rushing out to buy them in case they sell out
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    That's twisted...I checked wonder what's up with that? Haven't called.

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    Appears to be front only on sale unless I am missing something...still a good deal.
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    LyNx,

    What a cool idea. Why didn't I think of that.

    Hey as far as my Avid Elixr 1 brakes go on my 2012 Rockhopper, I don't have any problems (but judging by what almost everyone has to say I guess I should work a "yet" into my sentence)

    My wife can't stop thanking me for ditching the BB5's on her Specialized Myka and installing Deore's. She loves them and has a lot more confidence riding now.

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    I have a 4 month old Tallboy that came with Avid 5's. I had similar problems, that said, I picked up my bike from the shop with new XT's on Friday. Tested them out yesterday and all is right with the world. I stuck with the original rotors, but will change them to Ice Techs in the future.

    I threw the Avids in the garbage - it was cathartic.

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    No problems with my Elixirs going on 2-3 years.

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    4 bikes over the last 7 years (3 still in use), 4 sets of BB7's. No problems. Ever. Change the pads once a year, minor (10 second) adjustments every couple weeks. Realign (takes 1 minute with an allen wrench) every month or so. Ride in dirt/mud/sand/slop/rain - everything. Switched to organic pads, and no noise either!

    I will use no other. Already on the build list for my next bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ride-beer-rinse-repeat View Post
    4 bikes over the last 7 years (3 still in use), 4 sets of BB7's. No problems. Ever. Change the pads once a year, minor (10 second) adjustments every couple weeks. Realign (takes 1 minute with an allen wrench) every month or so. Ride in dirt/mud/sand/slop/rain - everything. Switched to organic pads, and no noise either!

    I will use no other. Already on the build list for my next bike.
    Well BB7s are the only brakes Avid seems to be able to get right. They should release a matchmaker brake lever for them.
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    Get the shop to get you replacements. Take them and put them on ebay. Buy anything else.
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    Wow, a lot of posts in the past two days lol. To sum it all up. Yes, all of my breaking problems i have taken the bike to the shop, where i bought it (for warranty purposes so that the shop would have a history on the bike). HOWEVER, i took the bike to a more local shop that i have a history with do to its short distance and lower prices. In reference to the barrel adjuster issue, that is one problem avid seems to be having with the xlixr set-up. The fluid becomes trapped do to the barrel adjusters and the lever under pressure can not push any fluid through to the brakes. This has happened on both lever. The shop owner told me he would see if Avid would warranty me a new set of lower end levers (the juicy set) because they seem to work better VS the exlixr (i have also heard this before from several sources). IF avid decides to NOT warranty them, i will look to a completely different set-up. IF Avid does the warranty, i will use the different set UNTIL they do the same AND go with a completely different set-up. I am still torn between mechanical VS hydraulic. I know some will say mechanical is going "backwards" but idk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtiboy87 View Post
    Wow, a lot of posts in the past two days lol. To sum it all up. Yes, all of my breaking problems i have taken the bike to the shop, where i bought it (for warranty purposes so that the shop would have a history on the bike). HOWEVER, i took the bike to a more local shop that i have a history with do to its short distance and lower prices. In reference to the barrel adjuster issue, that is one problem avid seems to be having with the xlixr set-up. The fluid becomes trapped do to the barrel adjusters and the lever under pressure can not push any fluid through to the brakes. This has happened on both lever. The shop owner told me he would see if Avid would warranty me a new set of lower end levers (the juicy set) because they seem to work better VS the exlixr (i have also heard this before from several sources). IF avid decides to NOT warranty them, i will look to a completely different set-up. IF Avid does the warranty, i will use the different set UNTIL they do the same AND go with a completely different set-up. I am still torn between mechanical VS hydraulic. I know some will say mechanical is going "backwards" but idk?
    Nothing wrong with Hydro as long as they aren't Avids.

    My first set of XTs never gave me a problem over the 6 years I had them on the bike. I never even had to bleed them.
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    Seems the 2014 Stumpjumpers have moved to Magura. Wonder why... Sorry for you pain! I too hate the brakes, but I live with them for now.

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    I switched the stock avid on my STJ FSR 29 Elite after my 3rd ride with XTs. Best money spent! Brakes are awsome, strong one finger stopping with great modulation.

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    I have heard and have read many posts in regards to the XT's and their "one finger stopping power" Can sometimes be a little too "aggressive" BUT the way i ride, i NEED an aggressive set-up. I have been burning through pads, both front and rear, like its my job (not because of rubbing issues during install) I come from a motorcycle road racing background. I am quite used to using BOTH front and rear brakes evenly on my mtn bike. I love riding hard and aggressive as stated in my OP. I am thinking about taking up DH biking and buying a dedicated DH bike as well. I just love the adrenaline and the rush. ANYWAY, i have not heard back from the shop where i took the bike to. I am not one of those "pain in the ass customers who call every day" When it is ready, it will be ready. As stated previously, depending on what Avid does with the brake levers, i may switch to a completely different setup using hydro OR switch using a complete diff set to Mech. IF, they are warrantied for either the same levers (elxir) OR warrantied for a new lower end (juicy) i will use the warrantied set UNTIL they crap out again THEN, i will be jumping to a completely diff set-up (hydro/mech)
    On a side note, the shop where i bought my stumpjumper, the owner has a DEMO 8 that he used 3 times in an 8 hour DH enduro race. He ended up doing pretty well, but then had a bad wreck. He offered the DEMO 8 to me for 2500$ What do you all think? ( i mentioned to him i was interested in getting in to the DH scene do to my need for aggression and adrenaline, PLUS i can get the best of both worlds. Because my bike has been in THAT shop so often with brake issues, he was interested in seeing my riding abilities do to the fact that my stumpjumper is not even 8 months old and looks like it has been through 10-20 13 hour enduro races lol. It is maintained very well, BUT i ride the **** out of it. I didnt spend 1700$ on the stumpjmumper for it to sit in the garage and look pretty! The owner gave me a deal for 1700$ vs 2500$ as the retail price. He also gave me his roof rack set-up for my wrx as almost nothing, i really could not pass up the package, which is the only reason why i drove an hour away to buy the stumpjumper VS going to the LBS where my bike IS now in possession)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pilot218 View Post
    I switched the stock avid on my STJ FSR 29 Elite after my 3rd ride with XTs. Best money spent! Brakes are awsome, strong one finger stopping with great modulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pilot218 View Post
    I switched the stock avid on my STJ FSR 29 Elite after my 3rd ride with XTs. Best money spent! Brakes are awsome, strong one finger stopping with great modulation.
    How much money did you spend and where did you get them seeing as Bluesky and Jenson only had front brakes.

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    Hopes or XTs. I have s set of Hope Hydros that have been on one bike since 1999. I've rebuilt them with new seals twice and bleed them perhaps three times in 13 years.

    My new bike has 2013 Shimano XTs on it. Those things are very good and I have yet to touch them.

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    UPDATE:
    I received my bike back Tuesday from the shop. Avid did warranty me a complete upgraded brake system. They sent me the Avid carbon XO system. I have yet to ride the bike and test out the new braking system. Will be looking forward to doing so this Saturday morning at Frederick, Md watershed. I am not a guy that looks for cool looks over performance in anything i am involved in. I seek compentry that WORKS. The carbon levers are super light and nice looking. The rest of the compentry is, simply, UGLY! Its all CHROME! Frikin CHROM! Some may like this look, however my bike looks like a Frankenstein mtn bike (like my streetfighter streetbike lol) All other parts of the upgraded system, excluding the levers, are all chrome. Some may like this design, i however, am def not a fan. I can not complain because i was warrantied an upgraded Avid system, BUT 'COME ON MAN' CHROME!!! I will post pics here shortly

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    UPDATE:
    I received my bike back Tuesday from the shop. Avid did warranty me a complete upgraded brake system. They sent me the Avid carbon XO system. I have yet to ride the bike and test out the new braking system. Will be looking forward to doing so this Saturday morning at Frederick, Md watershed. I am not a guy that looks for cool looks over performance in anything i am involved in. I seek compentry that WORKS. The carbon levers are super light and nice looking. The rest of the compentry is, simply, UGLY! Its all CHROME! Frikin CHROM! Some may like this look, however my bike looks like a Frankenstein mtn bike (like my streetfighter streetbike lol) All other parts of the upgraded system, excluding the levers, are all chrome. Some may like this design, i however, am def not a fan. I can not complain because i was warrantied an upgraded Avid system, BUT 'COME ON MAN' CHROME!!! I will post pics here shortly
    To be blunt, I would have sold them while they were new and gotten XTs. Just me.
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    I think because they were warrantied, the shop had to do the install, BUT idk? IF not, i would have done the same and should now stab myself in the eyeball!

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    Just thought I'd throw this in here.....I have used Avids, Hope and Hayes and just decided to go for the new XT785s, had some issues with the order and ended up in two parts. Got the front XT brake and installed it with a 180mm RT76 rotor and while it hasn't even bedded in properly yet I can feel the improvement over the Hayes Stroker Trail I was using before, scarily so to be honest, not sure what it'll feel like tomorrow on the trails. Another nice thing about them, ABSOLUTELY quiet, no chirping or warbling, just plain, quiet stopping power with gobs to spare. Only thing I don't like about them and which seems contrary to the ad photos is the reservoir cover is chrome like the XTRs, but I can live with that if they're this good.
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    Just thought I'd throw this in here.....I have used Avids, Hope and Hayes and just decided to go for the new XT785s, had some issues with the order and ended up in two parts. Got the front XT brake and installed it with a 180mm RT76 rotor and while it hasn't even bedded in properly yet I can feel the improvement over the Hayes Stroker Trail I was using before, scarily so to be honest, not sure what it'll feel like tomorrow on the trails. Another nice thing about them, ABSOLUTELY quiet, no chirping or warbling, just plain, quiet stopping power with gobs to spare. Only thing I don't like about them and which seems contrary to the ad photos is the reservoir cover is chrome like the XTRs, but I can live with that if they're this good.
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    The only way they could get better is if Shimano made murder-black reservoir covers. I despise the chrome.

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    The only way they could get better is if Shimano made murder-black reservoir covers. I despise the chrome.
    Easy fix with a little time and some spray paint. Just scuff the "chrome" first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyHank View Post
    Hey as far as my Avid Elixr 1 brakes go on my 2012 Rockhopper, I don't have any problems (but judging by what almost everyone has to say I guess I should work a "yet" into my sentence)
    The cheapy elixir 1s I've got on my ss have trouble free for about a year. My elixir 7s, however, have been plagued with trouble.

    Avid must have it backwards, when their lowest brakes outperform their higher offerings. Stick with Shimano.

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    I've built up all my Niners with Formula brakes. I bleed and change the fluid every 2 years. zero problems, I clean them with brake cleaner and a nylon toothbrush with every time I change the pads around the calipers where they slide in and out. I've gone through at least 12 to 15 sets of pads by now, zero problems, always sintered metallic pads.

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    Shimano ftw!!

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    I am not a guy that looks for cool looks over performance in anything i am involved in. I seek compentry that WORKS.
    Quote Originally Posted by gtiboy87 View Post
    The rest of the compentry is, simply, UGLY! Its all CHROME! Frikin CHROM! Some may like this look, however my bike looks like a Frankenstein mtn bike (like my streetfighter streetbike lol) All other parts of the upgraded system, excluding the levers, are all chrome. Some may like this design, i however, am def not a fan. I can not complain because i was warrantied an upgraded Avid system, BUT 'COME ON MAN' CHROME!!! I will post pics here shortly

    wut?

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    I just want to know how you got the brakes to flush down the toilet
    15mm is a second-best solution to a problem that was already solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bt View Post
    wut?
    The triple post FTW... but I was thinking the exact same thing when I read that.

    Personally I've had several sets of Avid Elixers, and this latest bike came (unfortunately) with 2013 Elixer 9's... and of course, about half-way through the first ride I start hearing the noises. I finished the ride and thought, I didn't even get 15 miles into these things until they started making the SAME noises the other 4 sets I've had have made. The last bike had a well used set of Avid Elixer CR's (2010 Stumjumper Comp) and I couldn't tell you how terrible those were. There's a reason the 2013 Stumpys come with Maguras now...

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    Easy fix with a little time and some spray paint. Just scuff the "chrome" first.
    Seriously debating this. I may try and spray the 'XO' red and the rest black. Even though the levers are carbon, would be nice if you could SEE the carbon layers vs just black

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    Quote Originally Posted by bt View Post
    wut?
    Some people like to make their bike 'bling' factor. IDC about looks to a certain degree as long as the components work! HOWEVER, the XO CHROME is simply ugly.

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    I've thought of doing similar, maybe even just matte, but I wonder if the shiny silver may actually not only be bling but to help reflect the heat away from it.

    Quote Originally Posted by gtiboy87 View Post
    Seriously debating this. I may try and spray the 'XO' red and the rest black. Even though the levers are carbon, would be nice if you could SEE the carbon layers vs just black
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    I've thought of doing similar, maybe even just matte, but I wonder if the shiny silver may actually not only be bling but to help reflect the heat away from it.
    Idk, i prob wont be spraying mine. I can see bad things happening if one decides to spray these things. I do wish that avid would have sent out the other designed sets. I guess the chrome sets do not sell very well. I like the black with the red lettering better. This set would have matched up with my stumpy much better.

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    Update to all:

    Today was my first ride with the new XO set-up (rode at frederick, md watershed). The brake set-up IMO works MUCH better than my Elixr set-up. The brake levers are very light, but feel much stronger in terms of braking pressure. With my Elixr set-up, i often had to squeeze the heck out the levers to get them to slow me down. With the XO set-up, it really is a soft touch squeeze to slow down when needed (one finger squeeze). The system seems to be very smooth in braking pressure (with the exlir's you had to squeeze completely to stop) meaning, there was even braking pressure as you pull the levers inward (did not have to have the levers at full compression BEFORE you felt braking lol) The brakes work so well in fact, that i ended up going UP and OVER the bars today on a downhill. Funny thing, the last time i rode watershed (at this particular rocky downhill section) I had NO rear brakes after about 5 miles in out of a 13 mile ride. I rode this particular downhill with front brakes only and made it the whole way through. Today i ended up going UP and OVER the bars. The XO's def work much better than my Elxir set-up. I will have to get used to NOT having to squeeze the levers so hard to slow. Overall, after just one ride i am happy with their functionality for what they are. I know there are better braking systems out there, but these seem to work better than my Exlir's (and i hope that remains to be)

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    Well that's good to hear and best of all, didn't cost you a penny, right I've no real issue with the better Avid brakes, WHEN THEY WORK, but that right there is the problem, they often don't. Anyways, hopefully these new XOs will serve you well and last without needing much work - FYI, I called SRAM Tech support about some XXs and they told me they need bleeding like every few months
    Quote Originally Posted by gtiboy87 View Post
    Update to all:

    Today was my first ride with the new XO set-up (rode at frederick, md watershed). The brake set-up IMO works MUCH better than my Elixr set-up. ..........................
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    FWIW, working at bike shops, I have to contact SRAM and get warranty replacements for Avid brakes that come on bikes we have sold at least once a month. we sell far bikes with Shimano brakes, but I can't remember ever having to get a warranty brake from Shimano.

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    Was off Shimano brakes after having M575's that chewed through organic pads every month and a half.. and needed oil added to compensate for wear and removed to eliminate drag with new pads. Looked high and low for different brakes for new bike.. looking at the SJ originally and did not like the ride. Rode the Rumblefish with SLX. After a years worth of riding, I literally just bought new pads.. just incase I need to replace them while out on the trail. They are organic, but are much improved. Was going to buy some metailic pads and ice tech rotors as an xmas present. but the rotors are currently back ordered, so I will wait till spring and shop around, not real rush the SLX brakes are still rock'n.
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    I swapped out the avids on my stumpjumper from new as the general concensus on the forums was they are alot of trouble so I switched them out for a full XTR setup with the ICE disc's which so far works really well. I did hear switching out the disc's for alligator's and changing the pads was supposed to work as well though.

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    I've had elixr CRs on my hardtail for going on 4 years, and while they've always had good power and modulation they're horribly noisy and vibrate a lot any time the rotors get as much as a spec of dust on them. New pads, new rotors, nothing seems to fix it. I've never had these issues with mechanicals, so it's back to BB7's for the new build. They're cheap and they work. Shimano seems like the way to go for hydros, though.
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    I ride the SLX brakes, and have a new set of XT coming for another bike. They do everything a brake is supposed to do. Low maintenance, minimal noise, reasonable cost, reasonable weight, etc. I couldn't ask for much more than that. I'm just using some old Avid rotors, btw. You know... the same ones that turkey gobble with every avid brake so you can buy them dirt cheap.

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    I ride the stock avid XX-R that came on the '11 s-works enduro no problems here other than the 203m rotor has alot more bit the the 165 i came from. thinking of upgrading to the XTR trails tho for the shorter 1 finger lever blades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneBadWagon View Post
    I ride the SLX brakes, and have a new set of XT coming for another bike. They do everything a brake is supposed to do. Low maintenance, minimal noise, reasonable cost, reasonable weight, etc. I couldn't ask for much more than that. I'm just using some old Avid rotors, btw. You know... the same ones that turkey gobble with every avid brake so you can buy them dirt cheap.
    This brings up a question "What causes "Turkey Gobble"

    Is it:

    1. The configuration of the Rotor pattern.
    2. The Pad
    3. Both of the above.

    I want XT's for sure but my Elixr 1's work so I don't feel like just scrapping them. It's rare that my brakes gobble, but it seems to happen when they are hot and then it seems only the rear end gets to gobbling.

    I thought a simple fix would be to replace the Avid discs with Hayes just to see what happens and maybe get another couple of seasons out of the Elixr's. What do you think?

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    I don't know Hank, just use them until they go out on you and you're tired of trying to fix them. Oo the rotor side, maybe buy the Shimanos and give them a try, that way you already have the rotors when you buy the XTs Or admit that right now you can get them for under $130 per wheel, shipped and take the plunge.

    Right now loving my new XTs, running RT76 180mm front, Avid XX 160mm rear, noise only on initial application while riding along sea cliffs and salt spray blowing onto the rotors, gone afte that first squeeze and power like never before. Actually considering ordering a set of the Deore 596s for a loaner bike to see just where they slot in between my new XT and old Stroker Trails.
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    I have ran Avids as well as formulas and maguras. Just bought a set of the new XTR race and all I can say is they are the best braking system I personally have used by far. I did like my formula RX's though but had to get after market rotors because I couldn't get the factory ones to shut it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    On the rotor side, maybe buy the Shimanos and give them a try, that way you already have the rotors when you buy the XTs
    Thanks LyNx,

    That makes sense.

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    I rode a demo bike last year that had Avid Elixir 7 SL brakes and they felt fantastic. Great and effortless stopping power. I liked the way they worked much better than the BB7s I have on my bike - and I love the BB7s. I just felt that the power and feel on the Elixers was noticeably nicer. I only had the bike for a weekend though so I can't speak to their long term use. I'm sticking with the BB7s for now, they're all I need and make me happy.

    My point is that Elixers can work great and so if they didn't work well for you, something was wrong with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhix01 View Post
    I rode a demo bike last year that had Avid Elixir 7 SL brakes and they felt fantastic. Great and effortless stopping power. I liked the way they worked much better than the BB7s I have on my bike - and I love the BB7s. I just felt that the power and feel on the Elixers was noticeably nicer. I only had the bike for a weekend though so I can't speak to their long term use. I'm sticking with the BB7s for now, they're all I need and make me happy.

    My point is that Elixers can work great and so if they didn't work well for you, something was wrong with them.
    Problem is, you seem to be the minority, so one could argue, if they worked for you, something was wrong with them
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    well, like I said, I only rode them for a weekend. they worked great for the 2 days I had them but that doesn't mean they would have continued to do so. The OP said his never worked right - he had to pull hard on the levers to get any braking and the ones I rode had plenty of power. It's only one anecdotal story but the point remains that they can work well so they should work well. At least for a couple of days!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhix01 View Post
    well, like I said, I only rode them for a weekend. they worked great for the 2 days I had them but that doesn't mean they would have continued to do so. The OP said his never worked right - he had to pull hard on the levers to get any braking and the ones I rode had plenty of power. It's only one anecdotal story but the point remains that they can work well so they should work well. At least for a couple of days!

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