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    29er carbon rim with 35mm width

    More and more people want wider rim, what do you think about this one?

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    What people want is a well tested rim so they're sure they wont 1) die and 2) waste their money. Also hookless is the new fad. So, basically, this is a no name unknown rim when there's other popular cheap and more thoroughly tested options.

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    yes, think a lots of P35 folks be interested. me too.
    currently testing 45mm rims in alu. and fat bike rims be very popular.
    so get rolling on 35mm, go 45mm, ... 65, 80,... sell like hot-cakes.
    make them beefy and durable. when can I order ?

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    Call me when they get to 50mm

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    The mold of 50mm wide would be totally possible in the future, if we could collect 60 orders from riders all over the world. Very possible!
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    80mm?! just like panzer wheels? Thriller..............
    Anyway, we would make it, if there was enough riders who need it. Technically, it's not hard at all.
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    yes, think a lots of P35 folks be interested. me too.
    currently testing 45mm rims in alu. and fat bike rims be very popular.
    so get rolling on 35mm, go 45mm, ... 65, 80,... sell like hot-cakes.
    make them beefy and durable. when can I order ?
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    bktide, guess you have not hear of fat bikes . they sell out every year, with multiple bike mtgs. so 29,650b up to 50mm, 65,80mm 26" fat.
    velocity just made the dually in 45mm, selling fast. forget the preorder, just do it.
    have it ready by dec 1st, because of christmas shopping,...

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    They look great. Did you pay for this spam though?

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    Re: 29er carbon rim with 35mm width

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    They look great. Did you pay for this spam though?
    I don't think it's spam yet.
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    29er carbon rim with 35mm width

    I think it looks like weak sauce compared to a Derby wide rim.

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    We should send all of these MFR's on a wild goose chase.....some of these are very small market......

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    Quote Originally Posted by thickfog View Post
    I don't think it's spam yet.

    Yes it is.

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    I think it looks really interesting (saw these on eBay), but a couple of things scare me

    1. No reviews yet (even your eBay status had zero feedback), and no-one wants to be a beta tester
    2. The weight. I think you said they were around 390g. Considering your competition (Derby's) are 440g - 480g without the hook which adds weight, I'd be nervous about that. Seems almost too light for the width.
    3. Also surprised by the profile. 23.5mm deep is a lot less than most carbon AM rims, which are closer to 30mm deep. Not a bad thing but does mean longer spokes.

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    carbon-bicycle has not sold the kind of rim on ebay yet, and it must be tested before recommending to the users.

    This is the detail data:

    Specifications: Model CKMC935
    Size: 29er
    Material: Carbon Toray 700
    Appearance: 3K/UD/18K
    Weight: 440+/-15g
    Profile: 23.5*29c
    Spokes holes : 16-36#
    ERD: 598mm
    Assembly Hole Dia.: 7.5mm
    Spokes hole Dia.: 4.5mm
    Valve hole Dia.: 6.5mm
    Roundess: <0.3mm
    Max Spoke Tension: >300kg
    Ultimate Strength: >200kg
    Torsion Strength: >50kg
    Dynamic Equilibrium: <3g

    carbon-bicycle has more customers in France, they say it has a good performance on their mtb.
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    Does carbon-bicycle = light-bicycle because you use the same photos?
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    Quote Originally Posted by danny31292 View Post
    What people want is a well tested rim so they're sure they wont 1) die and 2) waste their money. Also hookless is the new fad. So, basically, this is a no name unknown rim when there's other popular cheap and more thoroughly tested options.
    Hookless isn't a new fad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeshulEd View Post
    Does carbon-bicycle = light-bicycle because you use the same photos?
    we are not the same one, but most rim and wheels are from the same factories, so some photos are same.

    carbon-bicycle has some special new products that others have not yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bktide View Post
    we are not the same one
    Your website is very very very similar to LB!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie_MTB View Post
    Your website is very very very similar to LB!
    When all they do is copy, did you expect any different with the website?
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    Same products, similar website. Maybe it is normal to a certain degree.
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    Your website is very very very similar to LB!
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    Excuse-us, you believe the carbon bike production could be copied? If so, everybody is copying, and every rider is buying.
    we sell carbon products, we don't sell website. We could change a website look if you were happy to see that. It changes almost nothing perhaps, however.
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    When all they do is copy, did you expect any different with the website?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bktide View Post
    Same products, similar website. Maybe it is normal to a certain degree.
    I think it is absolutely hilarious that they will copy from each other. Eventually they are going to get into a price war and begin to reduce the quality to offer such a cheap price....then everything will implode and no one will buy from them......and we lived happily ever after...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bktide View Post
    Excuse-us, you believe the carbon bike production could be copied? If so, everybody is copying, and every rider is buying.
    we sell carbon products, we don't sell website. We could change a website look if you were happy to see that. It changes almost nothing perhaps, however.
    So glad you mention that. As long as someone will buy, you will produce and that has always been the bottom line...no matter what it takes to do it. You just don't understand the American market and their sense of fairness. Keep doing what you are doing. After this market explodes, you will move to something else. I can't wait to see what happens with the price wars/vs. quality.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bktide View Post
    More and more people want wider rim, what do you think about this one?

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    The inside radius on the left side of the upper cavity look like a much smaller radius than the right side. I woud like to see a little more material in those areas, and would like to see more similarity in the radii. Several surfaces are coming together there, several transitions in surfaces, and that concentrates stresses in those areas, makes those areas more prone to failure if they aren't a little thicker than adjacent areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon View Post
    I think it is absolutely hilarious that they will copy from each other. Eventually they are going to get into a price war and begin to reduce the quality to offer such a cheap price....then everything will implode and no one will buy from them......and we lived happily ever after...
    bktide said "we are not the same one, but most rim and wheels are from the same factories, so some photos are same."…… I see this in the fire equipment industry (my business) as well, same images being used between (many) "companies". And, unless you have someone over there, you really can't tell who you are really dealing with, but most likely it is an agent. And, usually this "company" is a 1-man operation working from his home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfdog93 View Post
    bktide said "we are not the same one, but most rim and wheels are from the same factories, so some photos are same."…… I see this in the fire equipment industry (my business) as well, same images being used between (many) "companies". And, unless you have someone over there, you really can't tell who you are really dealing with, but most likely it is an agent. And, usually this "company" is a 1-man operation working from his home.
    So glad to see someone that ACTUALLY has experience with dealing and understanding China post. As both of us know, there are so many horror stories and you cannot apply the same business ethics. Comparing Taiwan and China is like night and day....but to the average American, they are all Chinese.

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    Well, Americans created the internet time...........so, you know always better than people from other parts of the world that, time has changed. Most time we don't need (or, no need) to know who are selling and who are buying. The bottom line is just that the sellers sell to the customers the right things with correct quality/price and with the after-sale service. We will never have the chance and time to have a drink face-to-face with our customers, but we are happy that our customers could always have a great time with their rider friends around them, with our bike products.

    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon View Post
    So glad to see someone that ACTUALLY has experience with dealing and understanding China post. As both of us know, there are so many horror stories and you cannot apply the same business ethics. Comparing Taiwan and China is like night and day....but to the average American, they are all Chinese.
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    That's quite quite quite normal that many agents exist, we think. As nobody can buy an automobile and a cigarett directly from the factories FORD and MARLBORO............How can the boss of the factory have the time to deal with millions of final customers?! The role of supermarkets is very important, isn't it!
    Quote Originally Posted by Surfdog93 View Post
    bktide said "we are not the same one, but most rim and wheels are from the same factories, so some photos are same."…… I see this in the fire equipment industry (my business) as well, same images being used between (many) "companies". And, unless you have someone over there, you really can't tell who you are really dealing with, but most likely it is an agent. And, usually this "company" is a 1-man operation working from his home.
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    A lot of people attach the great importance to the photos. So, one more pic showing the new technology that enhances the stiffness of the bead part: a titanium wire inside.
    People believe that it would work better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeshulEd View Post
    Does carbon-bicycle = light-bicycle because you use the same photos?
    Same products, same photos, not same sellers.
    That's pretty common in China, you'll see this if you go to have a look at www.aliexpress.com.
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    Same Bull $hit, different Bull $hitter. Go away already. You have no clue of ethics, NONE!
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    Same products, same photos, not same sellers.
    That's pretty common in China, you'll see this if you go to have a look at www.aliexpress.com.
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    We understand fully that you disagree to this fact. So, just ignore it, pls.
    Needn't to talk in this way................We are sorry for that.
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    Same Bull $hit, different Bull $hitter. Go away already. You have no clue of ethics, NONE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Same Bull $hit, different Bull $hitter. Go away already. You have no clue of ethics, NONE!
    You heard it here first.....you will begin to see an onslaught of these guys popping up very soon. Get ready for the spamming and hope they dont crack into MTBR's website and get your email addresses. Prices are going to go down and rip offs are going to go up. Quality will drop as well....this is the beginning folks. I am not trolling...just the facts, you have all been lucky up to now.

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    Yeah, you are right. We believe so. Really sorry for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon View Post
    You heard it here first.....you will begin to see an onslaught of these guys popping up very soon. Get ready for the spamming and hope they dont crack into MTBR's website and get your email addresses. Prices are going to go down and rip offs are going to go up. Quality will drop as well....this is the beginning folks. I am not trolling...just the facts, you have all been lucky up to now.
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    So has anybody bought these rims? Would they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Danger View Post
    So has anybody bought these rims? Would they?
    So...why don't you do some vetting. Go on their website and compare it to light-Bicycle.com ( not an endorsement ) and tell me what the differences are ?? Take a look at the "about us " section and compare. Look at the Research and Development Section and see the post above where it states they just buy from a company and sell it to you.....What would you do ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon View Post
    So...why don't you do some vetting. Go on their website and compare it to light-Bicycle.com ( not an endorsement ) and tell me what the differences are ?? Take a look at the "about us " section and compare. Look at the Research and Development Section and see the post above where it states they just buy from a company and sell it to you.....What would you do ??
    I think you missed a bit of sarcasm. I should have used emoticons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Danger View Post
    I think you missed a bit of sarcasm. I should have used emoticons.
    Sorry, but these guys just P-SS me off because they do not follow any rules and most times get away with it.....

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    I know guys that use chinese carbon road wheels and have had good success with them but to me, mtb wheels are different. No one is barreling down the side of mountain or jumping off cliffs on a road bike.

    R&D goes a long way and putting my life on the line because a rim takes a nice photograph or whatever doesn't really justify the savings of a few hundred dollars.
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    Still trying to understand the purpose of the ti wire........

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    Still trying to understand the purpose of the ti wire........
    It's called marketing.....someone should have it tested, probably aluminum wire...it serves no purpose, as far as I can tell...

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    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon View Post
    It's called marketing.....someone should have it tested, probably aluminum wire...it serves no purpose, as far as I can tell...
    I would have to agree with you on this.
    When I first saw it I thought the wire ain't thick enough to do anything really.
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    Maybe just paper or water inside...............Don't believe CB at all, nor Derby, nor ZIPP, until seeing it...........
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    It's called marketing.....someone should have it tested, probably aluminum wire...it serves no purpose, as far as I can tell...
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    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon View Post
    It's called marketing.....someone should have it tested, probably aluminum wire...it serves no purpose, as far as I can tell...
    The material around the wire looks awfully thin.....me thinks the wire would make a weaker rim.... Dunno

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    The material around the wire looks awfully thin.....me thinks the wire would make a weaker rim.... Dunno
    I think they just use the wire for shape purpose. By using a wire and placing the layers of carbon fiber over it , you get the bead hook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfcb View Post
    I think they just use the wire for shape purpose. By using a wire and placing the layers of carbon fiber over it , you get the bead hook.
    Why do you need a wire for shaping purposes when the other rims don't need to ?? In addition, it makes the Layer that is the most important ( impact strength) thinner.

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    I'm going to buy me a pair of this 35mm rims.

    Still don't know who to buy them from, I guess that I'll get the same rims whoever I buy them from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeshulEd View Post
    I know guys that use chinese carbon road wheels and have had good success with them but to me, mtb wheels are different. No one is barreling down the side of mountain or jumping off cliffs on a road bike.

    R&D goes a long way and putting my life on the line because a rim takes a nice photograph or whatever doesn't really justify the savings of a few hundred dollars.
    I have two sets of the Light Bicycle Carbon rims and they have been bullet proof and very solid. Best purchase I have made in a long time. You should read the cheap carbon rims thread with all of the success stories. And it is a lot more than a "few" hundred dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon View Post
    Sorry, but these guys just P-SS me off because they do not follow any rules and most times get away with it.....
    This thinking is kind of ridiculous. You might be a bit shocked to find this out but most companies operate by coping each other and in a lot of cases selling the same re-branded products. People here seem to spout on an on about r&d and hard work done but really, what r&d? You are basing these arguments on pure speculation and assumption about the market. As if America is so high and mighty they would never copy each other like that. Except nearly all Treks are made by Giant. Some Schwinn bikes were made in Japan.

    What is a custom built 29+ but a copy of a Surly Krampus. Fatbikes in general for that matter until only very recently because they all had Surly wheels and tires. I'm pretty sure Kenda makes the tubes for both Trek and Specialized and Hutchinson makes their tubeless road tires. Hayes rolls Stan's No Tubes rims and even licensed, which is to say, paid to copy, Stan's tubeless design for their own wheel sets. Stan's hubs are made in Taiwan and sold under a few brands.

    I mean that's only bike stuff off the top of my head. How many producers of table salt are there compared to supermarket brands? All HDMI cables are produced in China by one of three factories. How many brands of HDMI cables are there? I got some direct from China when the average cable was 1M for $40-80, which I think they may still be near that price on average, for $3.50 each. I didn't get some super cheap looking cable either. I got to choose from a variety of about 10 colors and all were gold terminated. You can't buy a US made cable. NO ONE in the US has the capability of producing the cable and even if they did, no one then has the ability of terminating, which is adding the plug end, the cable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33 View Post
    This thinking is kind of ridiculous. You might be a bit shocked to find this out but most companies operate by coping each other and in a lot of cases selling the same re-branded products. People here seem to spout on an on about r&d and hard work done but really, what r&d? You are basing these arguments on pure speculation and assumption about the market. As if America is so high and mighty they would never copy each other like that. Except nearly all Treks are made by Giant. Some Schwinn bikes were made in Japan.

    What is a custom built 29+ but a copy of a Surly Krampus. Fatbikes in general for that matter until only very recently because they all had Surly wheels and tires. I'm pretty sure Kenda makes the tubes for both Trek and Specialized and Hutchinson makes their tubeless road tires. Hayes rolls Stan's No Tubes rims and even licensed, which is to say, paid to copy, Stan's tubeless design for their own wheel sets. Stan's hubs are made in Taiwan and sold under a few brands.

    I mean that's only bike stuff off the top of my head. How many producers of table salt are there compared to supermarket brands? All HDMI cables are produced in China by one of three factories. How many brands of HDMI cables are there? I got some direct from China when the average cable was 1M for $40-80, which I think they may still be near that price on average, for $3.50 each. I didn't get some super cheap looking cable either. I got to choose from a variety of about 10 colors and all were gold terminated. You can't buy a US made cable. NO ONE in the US has the capability of producing the cable and even if they did, no one then has the ability of terminating, which is adding the plug end, the cable.
    Oh really.....so what do you say about guys like Derby that invests his personal funds into designing a wide rim when it was never done before......now those Chinese companies are coming out with the same designs. Thanks also to a lot of people on this forum. Personally if I had a new design I would never post it on the internet. Not that they cannot find it, but why make it easy for them...

    Based on all of the research I have done, the sales of China/Internet based sales are insignificant to the volume sold in bike shops. People are still scared from buying from China and still want to see, feel and touch the product.

    Guys that are buying from China direct are basically risking a lot to save money. Even if the product does not break, you still risk having something go bad and not have any recourse. Buyer beware.....This is the main reason these products will never be sold in a bike shop in the USA......the risk associated with failure. Every manufacturer or even reseller like ENVE, Reynolds, Sram, Stan has product liability.....

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