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    Why Ride Rigid?

    Ok so perhaps it's my age but I have come full circle in my bike endeavors. I started back in the day with no suspension then went to forks only and to full suspension and then on to the 29ers. After riding a 29er I realized that I could easily get by on a hardtail but lately I have been considering going completely rigid with a Niner carbon fork.

    My question for my vast MTBR brothers/sisters is if you ride rigid and even better if you are a convert to rigid why?

    Am I insane for wanting to rip a $900.00 state of the art fork off my bike only to replace it with something that's going to beat me to death

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    It's all personal preference and dependent on your age, terrain and riding style. I have a rigid and a HT and soon an FS and for me the rigid just makes trails interesting again and much, much more challenging in general compared to the HT and most definitely FS. Once you get some nice high volume tyres for a rigid and you know how to properly ride one - hardly if ever sit down except on tarmac then you'll generally be all right. I don't ride my Monkey alot on trails, mainly if I'm lending out the HT or riding with newer riders where I know no matter what they're riding they'll be struggling to keep up even if I'm on a rigid. I'd like to change that with some nice new high volume tyres this year, and a new wide wheelset, just waiting on them to become available is all.
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    It helps you develop better trail skills. You don't have a bunch of squish to save your arss when you just plow through the rough. I find it makes me faster when I ride my RIP after a few rides on a hardtail. I actually prefer hardtail over full suspension.

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    Like Lynx, I have a ss rigid, a HT and a FS. I would not rip that 900 fork off for a bone shaker set up, IF it is your only bike. If it is one of many in a stable go for it, variety is the spice of life. I ride my rigid mostly in the winter simply because the rides are often shorter anyway (cold, less time, gets dark etc) and having a ss rigid add a lot of value to time ratio on any trail. In the summer time it gets slicks and a trail-a- bike for me a my girls.
    A rigid bike is a bone shaker, still fun, pick lines etc but you will not want it every ride. I am 35 been riding in the PNW since 90 and like you I have come full circle in the riding world, I just kept examples of modern technology along the way, I will keep my Monkey SS Rigid but My stumpy fsr 29er is just waiting for better weather.
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    I converted to rigid because I was getting a touch bored on my local trails.

    I stuck with it because I find it more fun and the instant power transfer and predictability are addictive!

    It isn't for everyone, so If you want to give it a go on the cheap, the Kona P2 29er is something close to $30 on bikeman.com. The geometry is pretty close to the niner fork.

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    Been riding MTB (Klunkers?) since the late 70's - rigid everything to inch-and-a-half travel forks to nearly 7-inch FS bikes. 5 years ago I bought a rigid 29" SS. 6 months later all my 26" bikes were sold, except one that has hung in the garage with one ride on it the last 4-1/2 years. I'm 50, decent skills but was finding myself going stupid fast down stuff that if I came off, could have been the last time I was upright. Rigid makes me pay attention, slow down a little and still have as much or more fun on a given trail. The response to pedaling and standing is incredible, and really can't be duplicated on any suspended bike. Unless a trail is really rough, I can pretty much keep up with the rest of the crowd on the FS bikes, and stay ahead of many of them, unless they are just plain younger and faster than me. Bars, set-up and tires make a big difference on a rigid - and 29" helps immensely. FWIW, effectively my 29" Rigid SS is my only bike the last 5 years now. If my fitness drops, I'm slow. But I get back to shape faster with the SS and I for some strange reason enjoy it. Give it a try - you'll be able to get a lot of your money bike on a Niner or other name-brand CF fork if you don't like it. And if you really love it, you'll come out ahead after you sell that $900 bouncer from the front!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pamt View Post
    Ok so perhaps it's my age but I have come full circle in my bike endeavors. I started back in the day with no suspension then went to forks only and to full suspension and then on to the 29ers. After riding a 29er I realized that I could easily get by on a hardtail but lately I have been considering going completely rigid with a Niner carbon fork.

    My question for my vast MTBR brothers/sisters is if you ride rigid and even better if you are a convert to rigid why?

    Am I insane for wanting to rip a $900.00 state of the art fork off my bike only to replace it with something that's going to beat me to death
    I rode my 1st mountain bike for nearly 22 years. It's a fully rigid DB Axis XT and I've ridden all of the old trails around the SF Peninsula back when suspension forks weren't all that great and they were really heavy. I managed just fine on Tioga City Slickers. The only real trouble I remember having is when I was going down old Alpine where it turned to dirt and hit fully dried washboard. The ridges were probably 3" high and close packed... I almost ate it and had to slow down to a crawl. It handled most of the terrain pretty well, just really rough stuff was a nightmare or impossible.

    I still have that bike and it still rides great but I'll never take it off-path again I'm too fat and old now, that's why I built up a really nice 29er :P However if you have a nice front fork, I don't see a point in taking it off unless you never really utilize it.

    I'll never go FS unless I start doing the off-season ski-resort downhill stuff.

    tl;dr: if you have a nice fork, enjoy it on a nice hardtail.

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    I do it because I appreciate the connection to the trail.

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    I bought my rigid SS because I moved right next to a trail network that was kinda boring with suspension. It definitely "livened" up those trails, but I was surprised by how much fun it is everywhere else too. Up until a few weeks ago, it was my only XC bike and I rode it almost everywhere on group rides--this really pushed me since I was trying to keep up with a group of guys on 5-6" bikes. It's been a real ego boost for me to know that I can still rip it up on a bike where I'm not "buying my skills"...

    The skills refresher I got from the rigid has definitely made me faster on my DH bike (and now my Shinobi too). I am much more proactive with the front wheel now instead of just letting the fork plow through stuff. I'm also a lot more loose on the bike and use my body as suspension more. I wouldn't want my only bike to be a rigid, but I don't ever see NOT having a rigid in my stable after all the fun I've had on my Unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stinkyto View Post
    Like Lynx, I have a ss rigid, a HT and a FS. I would not rip that 900 fork off for a bone shaker set up, IF it is your only bike. If it is one of many in a stable go for it, variety is the spice of life. I ride my rigid mostly in the winter simply because the rides are often shorter anyway (cold, less time, gets dark etc) and having a ss rigid add a lot of value to time ratio on any trail. In the summer time it gets slicks and a trail-a- bike for me a my girls.
    A rigid bike is a bone shaker, still fun, pick lines etc but you will not want it every ride. I am 35 been riding in the PNW since 90 and like you I have come full circle in the riding world, I just kept examples of modern technology along the way, I will keep my Monkey SS Rigid but My stumpy fsr 29er is just waiting for better weather.
    P.S I am also hoping KOOKA and purple ano everything are not far way again (jk) children go ask dad if you don't know.
    Rigid doesn't have to be a "bone shacker", maybe if you're using skinny tires and high pressure it is, but a fat tire and low pressure take a lot of the small stuff away.

    Having said that yeah it's still rigid so you can't get lazy and plow into stuff. The only bikes I have are rigid, and its there's plenty of rocks around here.

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    I bought a rigid bike because the price was good. The first order of business was to put some suspension on the front end. I never had any intention or desire to ride rigid until I did. That was 4 years ago. About 3 years ago had a similar experience on single speed. I now have two working bikes, both ss and rigid. I think it has a lot to do with the larger wheel, don't think I would have enjoyed either on a 26er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzo75 View Post
    It helps you develop better trail skills. You don't have a bunch of squish to save your arss when you just plow through the rough. I find it makes me faster when I ride my RIP after a few rides on a hardtail. I actually prefer hardtail over full suspension.
    I agree with everything but the last sentence. Rigid makes you a better rider, and makes you faster on your front suspension or full suspension bike. It adds some variety to your rides. Try this one: Do the same ride twice in a weekend, Saturday on a bike with suspension, and Sunday on a bike without any. It's like two different trails! Fun!

    And I don't prefer rigid over FS, I like both equally for different reasons.
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    Simple free time is limited, so with less mechanical moving parts less time fixing those moving parts that break or fail equals more ride time. I don't buy into rigid's only good for certain terrain cause all I got is nasty rocky terrain. It's just takes a certain attitude

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott View Post
    I'm 50, decent skills but was finding myself going stupid fast down stuff that if I came off, could have been the last time I was upright. Rigid makes me pay attention, slow down a little and still have as much or more fun on a given trail. The response to pedaling and standing is incredible, and really can't be duplicated on any suspended bike. Unless a trail is really rough, I can pretty much keep up with the rest of the crowd on the FS bikes, and stay ahead of many of them, unless they are just plain younger and faster than me.
    I completely agree.

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    If you do go rigid off road, make sure it's carbon (it doesn't beat you up as much as steel - you will feel the front cockpit lighten up making it that much easier to lift up rock formations, roots, that would otherwise get soaked up by a suspension fork). Sure, rigid is fine off road - look at all the cyclocross guys on road frames with micro knobbies, but not if you ride the trails with my group of full suspension geared cyclists.
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    Chicks dig it. No, really - I was riding my rigid SS down a rocky stretch of local trail and stopped to let an uphill biker pass, who happened to be an incredibly gorgeous young lady. Her eyes glanced down at my bike and she said (swear to God) "Ooooh, you're riding *rigid*. All I could do was grin and say "Why yes, yes I am".

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattybfat View Post
    Simple free time is limited, so with less mechanical moving parts less time fixing those moving parts that break or fail equals more ride time. I don't buy into rigid's only good for certain terrain cause all I got is nasty rocky terrain. It's just takes a certain attitude
    This one (above). I also hate the expense and ethics behind the "planned obsolescence" of suspension. My seven year old bike is still state of the art for a rigid bike. Adding suspension to my bike would neither increase my enjoyment or time spent riding. Might I go a bit faster? Maybe, but I'd also most certainly spend less time riding and more time fiddling and it would piss me off immensely to be laying out the bucks for new seals/new bushings/new fork every year or couple of years so I would be less happy with suspension. And I'm not even sure I'd be faster -- nothing goes uphill like a rigid bike and I spend more time going uphill than down, so...you do the math.
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    I ride rigid because I'm a cheap bastard! The idea was to buy a cheap(er) bike and upgrade as I could afford it, but after getting used to the ride and learning HOW to ride it, it's all good now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TreeFarmer View Post
    I converted to rigid because I was getting a touch bored on my local trails.

    I stuck with it because I find it more fun and the instant power transfer and predictability are addictive!

    It isn't for everyone, so If you want to give it a go on the cheap, the Kona P2 29er is something close to $30 on bikeman.com. The geometry is pretty close to the niner fork.

    sent from my pho.e , so expect typos dammit!
    Right now the disc only fork is out of stock. The disc+canti fork is currently in stock at $30. Does anyone know if the disc only fork will be $30 also when its back in stock?

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    I used to ride rigid all the time in Michigan. Now I live in the Pacific Northwest, and riding rigid all the time took a toll on my aging body. Now I ride whatever bike suits my mood and the trail.

    I'm lucky enough to have a bunch of bikes, so I keep one singlespeed rigid and I ride it in the winter. Fewer moving parts to wear out in the Oregon mud, and it makes some trails that would otherwise seem too easy more fun.

    Also, a fully rigid ti singlespeed is *light*. That brings a certain kind of fun as well...

    For what it's worth, I really like the Niner carbon fork. It seemed scary-light at first coming off a heavy salsa steel fork. But I've grown to trust it and really like the way it rides. If you do go rigid, you could do worse than the Niner fork.

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    Ok so perhaps it's my age but I have come full circle in my bike endeavors. I started back in the day with no suspension then went to forks only and to full suspension and then on to the 29ers. After riding a 29er I realized that I could easily get by on a hardtail but lately I have been considering going completely rigid with a Niner carbon fork.

    My question for my vast MTBR brothers/sisters is if you ride rigid and even better if you are a convert to rigid why?

    Am I insane for wanting to rip a $900.00 state of the art fork off my bike only to replace it with something that's going to beat me to death
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    ... and if we just ... I am 47 years old

    And just started riding rigid again after 10 years on a ht. My 1st mtb was a rigid, and for my 10th anniversary I wanted to return to my roots. I am hooked, I hardly touch my ht's any more. Not because the rigid (Voodoo Soukri) is a better bike. My fav is my Ted Wojcik. I am going to most likely convert it to rigid ss. Rigid riding is much more fun to me, especially ss.
    It's all you, so its a much better total body workout, and it improves your skills big time. I especially like riding rigid in more technical terrain to see just how cleanly I can pick my lines. I will probably never own a fs bike for that reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe_Jitsu View Post
    I used to ride rigid all the time in Michigan. Now I live in the Pacific Northwest, and riding rigid all the time took a toll on my aging body. Now I ride whatever bike suits my mood and the trail.

    I'm lucky enough to have a bunch of bikes, so I keep one singlespeed rigid and I ride it in the winter. Fewer moving parts to wear out in the Oregon mud, and it makes some trails that would otherwise seem too easy more fun.

    Also, a fully rigid ti singlespeed is *light*. That brings a certain kind of fun as well...

    For what it's worth, I really like the Niner carbon fork. It seemed scary-light at first coming off a heavy salsa steel fork. But I've grown to trust it and really like the way it rides. If you do go rigid, you could do worse than the Niner fork.

    Enjoy!
    I'm very impressed with the niner fork but one of the big reasons is I have a tapered head tube so I'm limited to which fork I can put on

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    This topic comes up often enough, but we're all glad to sing the praises of rigid riding.
    At least in this Eastern half of the country, the long travel bikes seem to only hold an advantage on designated DH areas. The rigids climb well, traverse efficiently, and in the right hands, conquer low-speed chunk pretty easily due to their inherently precise front wheel placement and demand for focused attention and development of instinctive reactions - or, as kristian said, "more proactive with the front wheel". The slight loss of downhill speed has probably saved me more than a few broken bones over the years, too. And since I'm very accustomed to rigid riding, it takes several long days of hard riding to really get me fatigued. Don't expect to feel that in your first rigid season, but don't be discouraged either. Most rigid riders develop a relaxed and efficient style that doesn't fight the bike. And yeah, if you do go back to suspension, you will be dangerously "more faster" - be sure to invest in some armor if you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holmes View Post
    Chicks dig it. No, really - I was riding my rigid SS down a rocky stretch of local trail and stopped to let an uphill biker pass, who happened to be an incredibly gorgeous young lady. Her eyes glanced down at my bike and she said (swear to God) "Ooooh, you're riding *rigid*. All I could do was grin and say "Why yes, yes I am".
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    I have a riding buddy who started the spring on a rigid Niner Air9. By summer, it had a Reba on it. By Christmas the Air9 was replaced with a squishy Jet9.

    Apparently rigid is not for every body.
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    Everything is subjective. Just try it. Fork swap takes maybe 10 min.

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    I think riding rigid makes you a better rider,as you need to pick a smoother route I love the beauty/clean lines of a rigid SS HT. I like that my rides are a stealthlike silence with only the sound of my breath working away up the trail.

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    I'm over 40, been riding since my early 20's and I've been back to full rigid for a couple of years. Ride at most twice/week so keep that in mind. Started rigid by default, went through a couple of F/S including a 6" and now back to a rigid 29er. Even did some DH a few times on a rental. As has been stated, with big tires and low air pressure, a rigid bike is perfectly comfortable on technical terrain. It's actually really good on flat rock gardens; you may not realize how much a front fork bobbing around can mess up your technical riding.

    It's not more efficient except on really smooth stuff. It's a bit slower on DH but not nearly as much as most people think. I ride in NJ where the DHs are maybe a few minutes at best (figure 500 ft vert max). It's more like my peak speed is slower but many parts will be just as fast. I might still be willing to fly down an embedded babyhead section but loose stuff and big chunk are made for suspension.

    Best thing - it's far more fun. My 6" was making easy trails boring. Unfortunately, with a 6", many trails are really easy.

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    Just do it, hate it, and pm me when you want to sell your Niner fork for pennies on the dollar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by umarth View Post
    Because it is what your wife rides (ostensibly).
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    i recently bought a rigid Redline Flight Monocog, it rides so nice no need for a suspension fork. if i throw a bigger front tire on that bike it will ride even smoother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    Try under ..smart**ss, idiotic jokes, morons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinnyspinspin View Post
    I do apologize. I forget from time to time that this is a forum for intellectuals with no sense of humor whatsoever. I've clearly disrupted the informative and humorless thread we had going on.
    For what it is worth, colker1 is burning me, though I have little doubt that he'll clarify if we presume too much.

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    Either way he's acting like somebody **** in his cereal. And while it could have been me, I certainly don't remember doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinnyspinspin View Post
    Either way he's acting like somebody **** in his cereal. And while it could have been me, I certainly don't remember doing it.
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    I have a rigid, ss, 26. I like the sturdy feeling on climbs. The minimal weight transfer during braking helps stability. The steering feel into turns is immediate. However, my favorite is the ability to feel the trail beneath you.

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    I always liked this:

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    Plenty of good answers here. For me, it builds skills and keeps you honest. Like ATBScott, I started mountain biking in the 1970s before they were called mountain bikes and it brings back good memories of crazy times.
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    The best reason to ride rigid is do you can tell anonymous strangers on the internet that you ride rigid.

    Just try it what do you have to lose? If you dislike it sell the fork if you like it sell the other fork if you are on the fence get a second headset race and swap till your heart is content.
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    I'm very impressed with the niner fork but one of the big reasons is I have a tapered head tube so I'm limited to which fork I can put on
    A tapered head tube means you can run any fork made except for a straight 1.5.

    Just saying.

    And carbon vs. steel has less to do with the feel than the weight.

    I consider the terrain around my house to be pretty technical, and can go faster downhill with a fox 120 than with my rigid forks. But nothing comes close to the handling of an un-suspended bicycle for most riding.

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    I like that! Man oh man could I stir up the pot on our local forum with that one.

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    I have heard mixed reviews on the Niner fork. Check out the White Brothers fork and Whiskey 7 fork. I just converted to a rigid single speed and took a hefty chunk of time off my best lap time at my home trail ( Raccoon Mt. ) It is somewhat technical in places... I am curious to see what it will be like on trails that are much more technical... So far I love it though. I am running the White Brothers fork and it is pretty nice. No complaints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umarth View Post
    For what it is worth, colker1 is burning me, though I have little doubt that he'll clarify if we presume too much.

    However, I appreciate your effort.
    maybe i read a stupid wife joke where there wasn't any. i am no intellectual quite illiterate when it comes to the english language actually.
    A little outburst of anger here and there keeps things real though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    he does that a lot.
    i am bad. LOL.
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    suspension is safe and comfortable, allows a lot of speed and it's fun.
    Rigid and you will have to focus on the trail. That intensity and attention gives you a sense of REAL that makes you think if that's waht mountain biking is all about. It's a zen like experience that cleans your system like other zen disciplines: martial arts, drawing, meditation.
    suspension interferes and have you thinking about gear instead. Zen needs you to stop thinking..
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    Hi, I have a full suspension, rigid, and hard tail and I find all of the three very fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    Rigid and you will have to focus on the trail. That intensity and attention gives you a sense of REAL that makes you think if that's waht mountain biking is all about. It's a zen like experience that cleans your system like other zen disciplines: martial arts, drawing, meditation.
    suspension interferes and have you thinking about gear instead. Zen needs you to stop thinking..
    Now that sound like the step beyond rigid to fixed gear. I really like FGMTB, and it is the zen of having to connect with the trail, turn the pedals without thinking, DO or DO NOT, that is the attraction.
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    I just added a rigid steel 29er (2012 El Mariachi) to my quiver, for several reasons. Although I have a Mojo SL that I love, I don't need that much bike for most of the riding I do in the bay area. I found myself getting bored a bit on it and so I began to ride my cross bike quite a bit. But that is just plain brutal for hours on end, as gearing is stiff and there's limited air volume in the tires. So, a rigid 29er seemed like the best of both worlds. I'm running the Whiskey fork and absolutely love the bike.

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    I'm 44 and have the Niner fork mated to a SS SIR9 and it's my all time favorite bike. I also have a short travel FS which is usually gathering dust. My riding area is in the lower Adirondacks with occasional jaunts to Vt. The rigid fork turns you into a climbing machine. A low pressure high volume tubeless front tire combined with the carbon fork and a pair of carbon bars(Optional $pendy) in addition to a steel frame gives a sweet compliant ride. Not bone jarring in the least. Instant power transfer, no bob, no brake dive. no compression when railing turns, light as hell front end. I'd say go for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    maybe i read a stupid wife joke where there wasn't any. i am no intellectual quite illiterate when it comes to the english language actually.
    A little outburst of anger here and there keeps things real though...
    I think we have each other pegged. No offense taken, I lurk on VRC enough to respect colkervision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    suspension is safe and comfortable, allows a lot of speed and it's fun.
    Rigid and you will have to focus on the trail. That intensity and attention gives you a sense of REAL that makes you think if that's waht mountain biking is all about. It's a zen like experience that cleans your system like other zen disciplines: martial arts, drawing, meditation.
    suspension interferes and have you thinking about gear instead. Zen needs you to stop thinking..
    Wow! Mystical.
    The entire time I was on my rigid SS I couldn't stop thinking about how much more fun I would be having going fast on my geared FS. Some folks find joy in punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    suspension is safe and comfortable, allows a lot of speed and it's fun.
    Rigid and you will have to focus on the trail. That intensity and attention gives you a sense of REAL that makes you think if that's waht mountain biking is all about. It's a zen like experience that cleans your system like other zen disciplines: martial arts, drawing, meditation.
    suspension interferes and have you thinking about gear instead. Zen needs you to stop thinking..
    i think it was the pre ride doob

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    You know, there are only a few things in life that can be fully appreciated in their "un-advanced" state:

    - pencil drawings
    - tortillas
    - 6 string acoustic guitars
    - a pair of jeans
    and
    - rigid bikes (among other things of course)

    It's all about your senses, and I love the feel of the trail; the uninterrupted sensation of the rocks, roots, pebles, divots, ruts, loose over hard, jagged edges, and negotiating all of them at once while going as fast as you can.

    This from a long-time-DHer who loves DH, and yes it helps you get faster and choose smarter lines, but you are limited to HOW you can attack the trail.

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    I think we have each other pegged. No offense taken, I lurk on VRC enough to respect colkervision.
    respect.. thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    suspension is safe and comfortable, allows a lot of speed and it's fun.
    Rigid and you will have to focus on the trail. That intensity and attention gives you a sense of REAL that makes you think if that's waht mountain biking is all about. It's a zen like experience that cleans your system like other zen disciplines: martial arts, drawing, meditation.
    suspension interferes and have you thinking about gear instead. Zen needs you to stop thinking..
    WOW! Load of crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    WOW! Load of crap.


    no sh**.

    hey ...you the one who is asking everybody how to convince your "friend" into 29ers. LOL. 3 pgs of ridicule.
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    I rode nothing but rigid 26ers from when I started riding in the early nineties until getting a hardtail 29er a few years ago. I've recently added a rigid 29er to the stable and find that its the bike I want to ride the most.

    Most of my weekday after work rides are pretty short and on relatively non-technical trails that I know really well. Riding rigid has made the same old trails more entertaining to ride, and I feel like its helping me select better lines. Plus, it gives me an excuse for getting passed by guys who would pass me anyway.

    I doubt I'll sell the hardtail. Having 100mm of plush travel (and gears) will probably be nice for longer rides and races in the spring/summer/fall, but a rigid fork seems to suit most of my local terrain and meager skills just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    no sh**.

    hey ...you the one who is asking everybody how to convince your "friend" into 29ers. LOL. 3 pgs of ridicule.
    I know, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malibu412 View Post
    I know, right?
    THAT was a load of crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pamt View Post
    Ok so perhaps it's my age but I have come full circle in my bike endeavors. I started back in the day with no suspension then went to forks only and to full suspension and then on to the 29ers. After riding a 29er I realized that I could easily get by on a hardtail but lately I have been considering going completely rigid with a Niner carbon fork.

    My question for my vast MTBR brothers/sisters is if you ride rigid and even better if you are a convert to rigid why?

    Am I insane for wanting to rip a $900.00 state of the art fork off my bike only to replace it with something that's going to beat me to death
    You sound like me. At 58 now, I started mountain biking in 1984 and full rigid was it. A Manitou2 was my first suspension fork and only recently did I finally buy a full suspension. Last year I bought a Specialized Carbon Expert hardtail and this year put a Niner Carbon fork on it. Best purchase I ever made. I thought I was too old to go full rigid again but honestly I may sell my 29er's Fox fork because I don't think I'll ever put it back on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hozzerr1 View Post
    ...
    It's all about your senses, and I love the feel of the trail; the uninterrupted sensation of the rocks, roots, pebles, divots, ruts, loose over hard, jagged edges, and negotiating all of them at once while going as fast as you can.....
    My riding buddies wonder how I can remember a trail by every rock, root, rut, and berm - it is because I need to know.
    I can appreciate the Zen of it - even though that is not my train of thought. It is more of survival - staying close, or staying out front.

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    There some good posts on this thread, very enjoyable! Keep up the good work!

    I run two singlespeeds rigid and I'm 52 years old. I have a custom Specialized Reba fork that I use in my endurance racing for my Specialized S-Works Carbon Stumpy SS, but for the majority of my riding, rigid is just flat out more fun and more challenging!

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    Oh, I like that one...

    Quote Originally Posted by hozzerr1 View Post
    You know, there are only a few things in life that can be fully appreciated in their "un-advanced" state:

    - pencil drawings
    - tortillas
    - 6 string acoustic guitars
    - a pair of jeans
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    - rigid bikes (among other things of course)

    Totally agree with the pencil drawings, 6 string, and rigids. Can we add "firm feelin' women" ?...

    As in...

    "The only 2 things in life that make it worth liniv'... are guitars tuned good, and firm feelin' women"



    Also, I still agree with the old standard... Because I can.


    Much of it is biased by the trails you have available. Virtually any trail can be ridden rigid, but some trails are simply not fun to ride rigid regardless of the rider's prowess. Some trails are definitely more fun rigid - like smooth, snakey trails - where you'd likely be faster rigid. Rigid and SS (and winter riding) go together like cookies and milk, so theres another reason if you are keeping with the low maintenance theme.

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    I have an Ellsowrth Evolve ... really sweet bike, full XTR, King wheels, Martas, etc. Weight is just under 27 pounds.



    I also have a Vicious Cycles The Motivator, bought used, with a Vicious rigid fork. Upgraded to the level of the Ells minus the XTR... Martas, King, etc. Wieght is about 24.5 pounds.



    I am 47 years old and ride pretty rough, technical terrain here in Westchester County, NY.

    I love my Ellsworth, but last summer my fork went out for warranty work, leaving me to ride my rigid full time (I ride almost every day) for about seven weeks. I loved it! When the fork came back, I rode a few times on the Ellsworth, but quickly went back to my Vicious. I had become used to it. Used to the ability to feel the trail, the need to focus and pay close attention, the need to use my body and my skills to compensate for roughness in the trails.

    I would have never thought this would happen. When I bought the Vicious, I was not looking for a bike with a rigid fork, and truly was confused by anyone who would prefer one. But here I am, riding rigid exclusively on the bumpy, rooty, rocky trails that I love.

    I still ride my Ellsworth once in a while. But it's pretty rare these days for sure.

    The funny thing is the way other riders look at me on the trail or in the lot. People on their fancy Ibis Mojos, with tons of suspension, who give me the "this guy doesn't know what the hell he's doing" look. They think my bike is some old fashioned piece of junk. They are wrong. Then I watch them dismount and walk up just about everything out there. Too funny !

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    That's sort of the way I feel about it when I ride solo, but when you ride with a group where everyone else has an FS, and the faster guys are more natural bike handlers than you, it's quite hard to stay with them on a HT, let alone a rigid. Still this being said I'm looking to pick up some 2.4" tyres to give this a try and loan my HT to another guy who has a '90s HT that is too small for him.

    Quote Originally Posted by SlowPokePete View Post
    I have an Ellsowrth Evolve ... really sweet bike, full XTR, King wheels, Martas, etc. Weight is just under 27 pounds.

    I also have a Vicious Cycles The Motivator, bought used, with a Vicious rigid fork. Upgraded to the level of the Ells minus the XTR... Martas, King, etc. Wieght is about 24.5 pounds.

    I am 47 years old and ride pretty rough, technical terrain here in Westchester County, NY.

    I love my Ellsworth, but last summer my fork went out for warranty work, leaving me to ride my rigid full time (I ride almost every day) for about seven weeks. I loved it! When the fork came back, I rode a few times on the Ellsworth, but quickly went back to my Vicious. I had become used to it. Used to the ability to feel the trail, the need to focus and pay close attention, the need to use my body and my skills to compensate for roughness in the trails.

    I would have never thought this would happen. When I bought the Vicious, I was not looking for a bike with a rigid fork, and truly was confused by anyone who would prefer one. But here I am, riding rigid exclusively on the bumpy, rooty, rocky trails that I love.

    I still ride my Ellsworth once in a while. But it's pretty rare these days for sure.

    The funny thing is the way other riders look at me on the trail or in the lot. People on their fancy Ibis Mojos, with tons of suspension, who give me the "this guy doesn't know what the hell he's doing" look. They think my bike is some old fashioned piece of junk. They are wrong. Then I watch them dismount and walk up just about everything out there. Too funny !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott View Post
    I can pretty much keep up with the rest of the crowd on the FS bikes, and stay ahead of many of them, unless they are just plain younger and faster than me.
    I also tend to stay ahead of people unless they are faster than me..

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    One of my bikes is a rigid steel 29er SS. It was relatively inexpensive (about $600, barely used), set up tubeless and is a crazy fun workout. I will admit to buying it, a bit, for ego and the only think I'm lacking is manicured facial hair, big black glasses and using words like "epic" and "bro" every other sentence.

    Many of my trails are super smooth and FS, even my 4" Anthem X1, is overkill. So I purchased a 19 pound 1x10 carbon 29 HT with a 90mm Brain fork. Great bike. But riding a heavy steel simple bike is fun. A change up. Doesn't make me cooler or faster or tougher. Wait, it does. Riding a rigid SS renews your man card each time out. Although the "gangs" of SS and rigid club rides is so over the top cliche and stereotypical that I avoid 'em like the plague. Hooting and hollering "hey, rigid, go show those FS riders who's boss" makes me want to ride a 6" bike on the smooth flat trails forever.

    Plus just hopping on without checking sag (oh, that takes 45 seconds, what a chore) is nice. Pedal, pick energy-saving line and corner speed at maximum velocity. All of which helps making the other mountain bikes I frequently use even more fun.

    It's all about variety and changing it up. My riding buds think rigid and SS make no sense. "Just don't shift" or "just lock it out" often get muttered. If I could only afford 1 mtb it would not be a rigid. To each their own. Now if you'll excuse me, bro, I've got to trim my flavor savor before today's epic ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westin View Post
    Although the "gangs" of SS and rigid club rides is so over the top cliche and stereotypical that I avoid 'em like the plague. Hooting and hollering "hey, rigid, go show those FS riders who's boss" makes me want to ride a 6" bike on the smooth flat trails forever.

    .

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    I'm a One Man Gang then. All my riding buddies think I'm dumb too........

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaBass_ View Post
    I'm a One Man Gang then. All my riding buddies think I'm dumb too........
    except if it's one man it's not a gang. Yes, you are dumb.
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    I just got a new bike with a suspension fork after riding rigid for the last 2 years. I don't feel as beat up after riding but riding rigid is a great experience and will really hone your line-picking skills. The other thing I miss is not being able to stand and hammer the climbs. Its not as bad as people think it is. You just ride loose and get stronger so your body absorbs the bumps better. Rigid also helps the bike steer true; I learned that on the first fast turn on my new ride; I went off the trail!
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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    except if it's one man it's not a gang.
    I beg to differ.....





    Lighten up Francis...............

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowPokePete View Post
    I have an Ellsowrth Evolve ... really sweet bike, full XTR, King wheels, Martas, etc. Weight is just under 27 pounds.



    I also have a Vicious Cycles The Motivator, bought used, with a Vicious rigid fork. Upgraded to the level of the Ells minus the XTR... Martas, King, etc. Wieght is about 24.5 pounds.



    I am 47 years old and ride pretty rough, technical terrain here in Westchester County, NY.

    I love my Ellsworth, but last summer my fork went out for warranty work, leaving me to ride my rigid full time (I ride almost every day) for about seven weeks. I loved it! When the fork came back, I rode a few times on the Ellsworth, but quickly went back to my Vicious. I had become used to it. Used to the ability to feel the trail, the need to focus and pay close attention, the need to use my body and my skills to compensate for roughness in the trails.

    I would have never thought this would happen. When I bought the Vicious, I was not looking for a bike with a rigid fork, and truly was confused by anyone who would prefer one. But here I am, riding rigid exclusively on the bumpy, rooty, rocky trails that I love.

    I still ride my Ellsworth once in a while. But it's pretty rare these days for sure.

    The funny thing is the way other riders look at me on the trail or in the lot. People on their fancy Ibis Mojos, with tons of suspension, who give me the "this guy doesn't know what the hell he's doing" look. They think my bike is some old fashioned piece of junk. They are wrong. Then I watch them dismount and walk up just about everything out there. Too funny !

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    Bingo! You are spot on Slow Poke as to the reason I posted this in the first place. I have a 2010 Specialized Hardrock 29er that I bought to find out if I really would like the whole 29er thing without making a major investment. I got hooked on the 9er's almost immediately and invested in a decent 29er hard tail. The Hard Rock got relegated to a winter beater/road bike with an occasional rail trail thrown in.

    So the Hard Rock came with a cheap fork that was heavy and was really worthless as suspension so I put a Voodoo Zombie steel fork on it and left it at that. This past fall I had this thing out on a few local trails and even though it weights a ton I was just having an absolute blast! And as others have posted the steering and connection to the trail is incredible. So the whole time I'm riding this thing my mind is saying.......Man if I can toss this 28lbs beast around like this just imagine what would happen if we start talking sub 21lbs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattybfat View Post
    Simple free time is limited, so with less mechanical moving parts less time fixing those moving parts that break or fail equals more ride time. I don't buy into rigid's only good for certain terrain cause all I got is nasty rocky terrain. It's just takes a certain attitude
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    Quote Originally Posted by cutthroat View Post
    Wow! Mystical.
    The entire time I was on my rigid SS I couldn't stop thinking about how much more fun I would be having going fast on my geared FS. Some folks find joy in punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cutthroat View Post
    Wow! Mystical.
    The entire time I was on my rigid SS I couldn't stop thinking about how much more fun I would be having going fast on my geared FS. Some folks find joy in punishment.
    why not ride a dirt bike?

    different strokes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    why not ride a dirt bike?
    ...
    I prefer bicycles.
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    Attached pic explains it well, you have fun when your skill is challenged (source: Mastering MTB Skills 2nd Ed.). It's likely just a sign that you are getting skilled and your trails are a little too easy for you.

    I guess you can also interpret this as starting off on a big bike to minimize the fear and allow you to challenge more sections, gaining experience, skill, and becoming more comfortable, and then "downsize" your bike to keep the same trail(s) interesting, as it'll become boring if you're not pushing it and/or your bike+riding skills are too advanced for that specific trail.
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    Been there done that

    I'm 52, owned and rode everything. My main ride now is a steel 29er SS. Rigid, Nutted, all sealed bearings. Simple, PZM (practically zero maintenance).

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    That's exactly why I stopped doing it.

    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    I do it because I appreciate the connection to the trail.
    Without adequate suspension my wheels were often jumping up into the air and completely unconnected to the trail. That and the general beating you take even with big tires run at low pressures. By the way, one still does have suspension through the pneumatic tires when riding sans suspension units so it's not really "rigid", it's just not terribly good suspension.

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    I've got both, and for me it really matters what kind of trail I'm riding. On relatively smooth stuff, a rigid bike is magical. On rougher trails, FS feels like flowing or carving down the trail, and rigid feels like jackhammering down the trail. Ugh.

    I take my rigid bike out on my "backyard" trails a couple times a year and wonder why I bother (except for the sake of variety). It is worse in every way compared to FS except on the tarmac to the trail head.

    On the other hand, when I ride it in Bend, Oregon, I get to thinking that I really don't need to own anything else but a rigid bike!

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    Gotta love this...

    Quote Originally Posted by SlowPokePete View Post
    I have an Ellsowrth Evolve ... really sweet bike, full XTR, King wheels, Martas, etc. Weight is just under 27 pounds.



    I also have a Vicious Cycles The Motivator, bought used, with a Vicious rigid fork. Upgraded to the level of the Ells minus the XTR... Martas, King, etc. Wieght is about 24.5 pounds.



    I am 47 years old and ride pretty rough, technical terrain here in Westchester County, NY.

    I love my Ellsworth, but last summer my fork went out for warranty work, leaving me to ride my rigid full time (I ride almost every day) for about seven weeks. I loved it! When the fork came back, I rode a few times on the Ellsworth, but quickly went back to my Vicious. I had become used to it. Used to the ability to feel the trail, the need to focus and pay close attention, the need to use my body and my skills to compensate for roughness in the trails.

    I would have never thought this would happen. When I bought the Vicious, I was not looking for a bike with a rigid fork, and truly was confused by anyone who would prefer one. But here I am, riding rigid exclusively on the bumpy, rooty, rocky trails that I love.

    I still ride my Ellsworth once in a while. But it's pretty rare these days for sure.

    The funny thing is the way other riders look at me on the trail or in the lot. People on their fancy Ibis Mojos, with tons of suspension, who give me the "this guy doesn't know what the hell he's doing" look. They think my bike is some old fashioned piece of junk. They are wrong. Then I watch them dismount and walk up just about everything out there. Too funny !

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    Cool graph - that really helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cutthroat View Post
    I prefer bicycles.
    but you are unable to apply that logic to people who ride rigid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    but you are unable to apply that logic to people who ride rigid?
    Not following your logic - I said I preferred suspension because fully rigid is just too much punishment and not as much fun IMO, not that I wanted a motor. I have had several fully rigid bikes in 26 and 29 formats. Like Kosmo said, on buff stuff they are fine, but when things get rough and headed downhill, the fun factor drops off. This is my current rigid bike, and on the right terrain it rocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cutthroat View Post
    Not following your logic - I said I preferred suspension because fully rigid is just too much punishment and not as much fun IMO, not that I wanted a motor. I have had several fully rigid bikes in 26 and 29 formats. Like Kosmo said, on buff stuff they are fine, but when things get rough and headed downhill, the fun factor drops off. This is my current rigid bike, and on the right terrain it rocks.
    some people think pedaling a bike uphill is punishment when you can spend less money (in many cases) and get a bike that will climb for you.
    you said, "some people enjoy punishment," meaning that riding rigid has to be punishment and therefore the explanation is that some people like punishment. it's only punishment as you personally see it. i and many other rigid riders don't see riding rigid as punishment.
    as i said, different strokes...
    i'll add to that:
    perspective...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1 View Post
    Without adequate suspension my wheels were often jumping up into the air and completely unconnected to the trail. That and the general beating you take even with big tires run at low pressures. By the way, one still does have suspension through the pneumatic tires when riding sans suspension units so it's not really "rigid", it's just not terribly good suspension.




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    Get with the program.. a rigid hardtail is known as a "stiffy".

    I ride rigid for a numbers of reasons. Local terrain doesn't really require a suspension on most courses. Its ighter, less expensive. One less mechanical part to maintain/worry about breaking. Helps develop better handling skills. Don't like doing nose dives when braking downhill. Don't like having to fumble for the lockout before climbing. I don't waste my preride warmup fiddling with rebound and dampening switches. Rigid makes you ride "looser," which is better for your ride and your body. The only time I really want suspension is on very rocky terrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skankingbiker View Post
    Local terrain doesn't really require a suspension on most courses.
    Well where i ride I would say the opposite, which is why hardly anybody around here rides rigid.

    But I still like it better

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