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    Why 29er

    Why do people like 29ers so much. It just seems like less control.

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    Less control makes for a more exciting ride! I dig it, thinking of going brakeless too.

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    Less control? How so?

    As compared to what? What are you riding now?

    How would a 29er have less control than it? What about the wheel sized do you think would give it less traction or cornering ability?
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    A 29er tire has a larger contact patch, and since its larger in diameter it rolls over rocks etc easier. If it handles weird it the geometry of the bike
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    Even though you have less control, the gravitational and gyroscopic effects of the bigger wheel creates a magical energy vortex full of sparkly Higgs Bosun Particles that actually makes the bike fly and bend the time/space interface. The faster you ride, the younger and stronger you get - it's true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t0pcat View Post
    A 29er tire has a larger contact patch, and since its larger in diameter it rolls over rocks etc easier. If it handles weird it the geometry of the bike
    In what way is a 29" contact patch larger?
    The trouble with having an open mind is that people will insist on trying to put things in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie View Post
    In what way is a 29" contact patch larger?
    Really is that hard to figure out? Not trying to be an ass or anything, but that's pretty much common sense isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cutthroat View Post
    Even though you have less control, the gravitational and gyroscopic effects of the bigger wheel creates a magical energy vortex full of sparkly Higgs Bosun Particles that actually makes the bike fly and bend the time/space interface. The faster you ride, the younger and stronger you get - it's true.
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    The contact patch is not *larger* for a 29er v 26er - it is *longer* and skinnier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mavtek View Post
    Really is that hard to figure out? Not trying to be an ass or anything, but that's pretty much common sense isn't it?
    Well actually it's not that straight forward. I wanted to see if "t0pcat" was just making an assumption or if he had an understanding of the facts.

    As a matter of fact the area of a tire's contact patch is unaffected by the size of the wheel. The contact patch is governed by tire pressure and the weight of the bike and rider. In other words the contact patch area of a 26" bike will be the same as a 29" bike, assuming the same tire, tire pressure and weight.
    The trouble with having an open mind is that people will insist on trying to put things in it.

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    29ers are going to have a different feel than a 26er. 29ers roll over objects batter, have a better attack angle for mountain slopes, and can roll faster than a 26er.
    That is why I ride both.

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    there are some good videos on youtube (in lieu of the comment i was going to make) you should check them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduro14 View Post
    Why do people like 29ers so much. It just seems like less control.
    It is a matter of give and take.
    Maybe it does have less control in some ways however, I like the fact that I can control it better over obstacles.

    Really if you are serious, the best way to figure it out is to ride 26er and 29er with similar equipment and specs. Then decide for yourself what you think is better.

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    I find that when I forget to secure the quick-release stuff, I really can't tell much difference

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    A 29er tire has a larger contact patch, and since its larger in diameter it rolls over rocks etc easier.

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    Once you get use to the way greater speed of 29'ers, then you will come to understand control!
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    My 29er dominates my friends 26er on just faster, bigger trails where you maintain one speed through the whole thing. But for on stuff like slower, technical stuff where u have to slow down and accelerate a lot, the 26er is sooo much easier to use. I also feel like while going doing slow steep stuff where you have to go quite slow to control yourself, the 26er feels a lot more balanced. Thats all my imo

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    [QUOTE=®andyA;10096993]The contact patch is not *larger* for a 29er v 26er - it is *longer* and skinnier.

    Go one treks website and it shows you how the 29er has a larger contact patch. And why would it be skinnier if the wheel is the same width. Youa re right about it being longer

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    Quote Originally Posted by ®andyA View Post
    The contact patch is not *larger* for a 29er v 26er - it is *longer* and skinnier.

    Go one treks website and it shows you how the 29er has a larger contact patch. And why would it be skinnier if the wheel is the same width. Youa re right about it being longer
    So a rider suddenly weighs more, and presses the tires into the earth more, because he is on a 29er? Because that is what you are saying.

    Seriously. Think about the terms "psi". Pounds per square inch. Pounds of weight supported on a certain area. The only way to make the total area LARGER is to put more weight on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduro14 View Post
    Why do people like 29ers so much. It just seems like less control.
    29er mountain bike is new descent,unlike traditional bike 26 inch wheel diameter, with a 29-inch design, brought many exciting new features! Some people may think that these "big wheels" like a clown riding a car, but, in fact, most of them have a one-sided idea because they not in-depth study it.

    For example the shock. In theory, all forms of shock, including 29er, seem to be able to let the terrain becomes more flat. Installed on a 29-inch mountain bike suspention is much more complex than in the 26-inch bike. Bigger wheels lead to smaller space for install the shock, so the frame must be redesigned. And larger wheels need to re-design the frame geometry, to make the bike in the best condition.

    Meanwhile, the larger wheels and tires will make the bike heavier, which is not conducive to enhance speed. Although it will be easier for 29-inch wheels protruding through the diamond-shaped road, but in other types of potholes on the performance is not entirely the case. Small wheels have less momentum, easy to accelerate, but the big wheels is good at maintain rotational inertia.

    Riders perfer to 29er, because it has faster speed and better through. For professional players, in the same one track, these advantages do not seem how can improve their overall time. However, with more experience, they will become more confident in the face of rough terrain.

    Remeber that the improved comfort and confidence is usually equivalent to faster speed. This well explains why some diminutive female athletes on the World Cup XC race riding 29er achieve huge success. When they feel riding easier, it saves time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduro14 View Post
    Why do people like 29ers so much. It just seems like less control.
    What people?

    A rigid 29er is better than a rigid 26er. That's why I like mine so much.
    The improved rolling of the 29er enhances my control. It is most noticeable when you are trying to rail a rooty corner. Most rigid 26ers will skitter right off the trail, but the 29er has a greater ability to hang on - probably due both to the improved rolling of the larger wheel and the longer contact patch of the tire being able to bridge the gaps between the roots/bumps (even if it's just a tiny bit).

    In 2 years my 29er gave me confidence that 13 years of riding the same 26er never gave me. Instead of hitting something sketchy at speed and hoping for the best, I hit stuff at speed and I pretty much know what is going to happen - because I am in control. Of course, the speed has been going up and I'm getting closer to that hoping-for-the-best feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason.MT View Post
    ... Although it will be easier for 29-inch wheels protruding through the diamond-shaped road, but in other types of potholes on the performance is not entirely the case. ...
    Look, although it's impossible to argue with logic like ^^^this^^^, we ought to stop *****footing around and get to the bottom line truth. The real answer to the question "why 29er" is this: chicks dig guys with bigger contact patches.

    Sorry to have kept the truth hidden for so long, but dood, the wimmins will be all over ya. 'Nuff said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    "why 29er" is this: chicks dig guys with bigger contact patches.
    Not completely true...chicks dig guys who know what to do with bigger contact patches.

    Now, since that's finally cleared...I can see how the actual area that the tire is touching the ground is the same for 29" and 26", but the "potential" area that is available to make contact is greater with 29" vs. 26". I'm thinking of a 29" rim (no tires) and a quarter, so that we remove the tire pressure/width variable. Area touching the ground is the same. However, put that 29" rim and quarter up against a sidewalk curb and what do you get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ®andyA View Post
    The contact patch is not *larger* for a 29er v 26er - it is *longer* and skinnier.

    Go one treks website and it shows you how the 29er has a larger contact patch. And why would it be skinnier if the wheel is the same width. Youa re right about it being longer
    Trek should really be ashamed of themselves on this one; their example pic is ludicrous. In order to get the contact patches the way they show them you'd have to run about 12 psi in the 29" and 40 on the 26". Thus it's misleading and the results are showing up.

    But since Trek doesn't own the 29" wheel it isn't really a Trek product. But it is a disservice to the public. There's enough bull tweet out there as it is without having supposed authorities adding to the misinformation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulerias
    Trek should really be ashamed of themselves on this one; their example pic is ludicrous. In order to get the contact patches the way they show them you'd have to run about 12 psi in the 29" and 40 on the 26". Thus it's misleading and the results are showing up.

    But since Trek doesn't own the 29" wheel it isn't really a Trek product. But it is a disservice to the public. There's enough bull tweet out there as it is without having supposed authorities adding to the misinformation.
    It's rather interesting ... even the little Trek blurb says *longer*, not larger:

    "A 29" tire has a longer contact patch. This greatly improves climbing and cornering ability, and helps the bike float over soft terrain such as sand."

    Agree that the image is rather misleading...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ®andyA View Post
    The contact patch is not *larger* for a 29er v 26er - it is *longer* and skinnier.

    Go one treks website and it shows you how the 29er has a larger contact patch. And why would it be skinnier if the wheel is the same width. Youa re right about it being longer
    took the words right out of my mouth, it's only skinnier if the 26er is running a larger width tire than the 29er

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    No, YOU don't understand. You're making an ass of yourself for all of eternity.

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    Less control over what? The raging boner I get riding a bike?
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    It takes a "big bar" to handle such an unruly bike and the chicks dig that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enduro14 View Post
    Why do people like 29ers so much. It just seems like less control.
    29ers were produced strictly so people could argue about them in internet forums.
    It's such a fine line between idiocy and genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus View Post
    The real answer to the question "why 29er" is this: chicks dig guys with bigger contact patches.
    This is true...but do guys dig chicks with bigger contact patches?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
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    Less control? Got to grab that bar and twist it into submission. My contact patch is bigger on my 29er. Velocity P-35 rims with a purgatory 2.4 tubeless, run at 28 psi. Monster grip like 2 alley cats with their tails tied together fighting over a dead rat. ( quote of the day)

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    Quote Originally Posted by leeboh View Post
    Less control? Got to grab that bar and twist it into submission. My contact patch is bigger on my 29er. Velocity P-35 rims with a purgatory 2.4 tubeless, run at 28 psi. Monster grip like 2 alley cats with their tails tied together fighting over a dead rat. ( quote of the day)
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    The things you can do with an extra 3 inches between your legs...

    Seriously though, I could not make myself to care about'em on full suspension bikes. On a hardtail, now that is obvious.

    I guess it needs to be hard to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ntkersh View Post
    My 29er dominates my friends 26er on just faster, bigger trails where you maintain one speed through the whole thing. But for on stuff like slower, technical stuff where u have to slow down and accelerate a lot, the 26er is sooo much easier to use. I also feel like while going doing slow steep stuff where you have to go quite slow to control yourself, the 26er feels a lot more balanced. Thats all my imo

    So it is the size of your bike tires that make you faster than all your friends on trails where you maintain one speed? It's not your fitness, riding ability, or you being able to maintain your momentum? If they all upgraded to 29ers they would be able to hang with you on that trail? Really?

    I have a friend who rides his winter bike which is a 32 pound 26 inch bike and leaves me on my 23 pound 29er. I don't care what trail we are on. You know why? He has put in more time training and he's in much better shape than I am right now. He rides 66 miles in 20-30 degree weather for training rides 3 times a week while I run the steps in the local gym. You give him a 24 inch wheeled bike and he'll still beat me and most of us on this site. It's the rider not the bike. I'm not saying there aren't advantages/disadvantages to different wheel sizes, because they do exist, but I'll get off my soapbox now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenaustin View Post
    However, put that 29" rim and quarter up against a sidewalk curb and what do you get?
    25 cents and a dented rim?

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    I had to switch to Baggies because 29ers produce spontaneous erections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post

    It would be neat if you could get those girls to pose with a bike.

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