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    What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused

    I read this in another thread and am wondering what you guys think.

    Anyways here's what Giant is saying about wheel sizes
    "Can we expect to see 29 and 26-inch wheels eventually disappear in Giant's consumer-priced bikes in the near future?

    · 26-inch for sure, but 29-inch will be dependent on market feedback. That said, if the market progresses the way we believe it will, 29-inch will be phased out in approximately two years....again, totally dependent on market feedback."

    Taken from - 650B For Giant's 2014 Elite-Level Mountain Bikes - Pinkbike

    As someone who has been looking into 29ers for my next XC race bike this is a bit troublesome. I know they're just talking about the Giant line but I would guess that other bike makers have the same thought process.

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    Won't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB412 View Post
    Won't happen.
    Wow, so insightful

    But seriously, a little explanation would be nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB412 View Post
    Won't happen.
    I agree 100% 29 er's are here to stay for awhile.
    Got my first 29 er and I'm amazed what this thing roll's over. (I'm a rookie)
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    I know I have said this a lot, but if 29ers leave the market, bike brands do not know what their customers want.
    Some want 26", some want 29", sheep want 27.5", etc.
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    29er's are here to stay and I believe 26" isn't going away anytime soon (as a whole).

    I do think however, bike manufacturers wish there was one wheel size or at least certainly not 3 wheel sizes. Maybe Giant is just putting nasty rumors out there in order to try and control what people start buying.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    Giant has nothing better than adequate in the current marketplace. And no innovative models- some are falling behind the development curve with steep head tube angles that are twitchy. So their 29 sales may not seem enough...
    The rest of the world is just beginning to jump on board.
    Things are rolling and 29 will roll over this.

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    I am willing to believe Giant that 650B is marginally better on paper but people like 29" wheels. They just look cool and people care about other things than calculations on a piece of paper when buying a bike.

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    Re: What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused

    Giant may be retarded and think of getting rid of 29ers but id bet they are the only ones. Trek is probably laughing histarically at them right now cause I see ppl buying trek 29ers all the time. Just ran into a couple at trails today that just bought trek marlin 29ers brand new yesturday and today was their first ride on them. I see 29er hts over anything else out here. So it'd be serious hit to dealers here to loose them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HSracer View Post
    Wow, so insightful

    But seriously, a little explanation would be nice
    Really not worth the debate. 29ers are the most popular bike in the market. I personally sold my 26 as it never made it out of the garage once the 29 arrived.

    I've yet to ride a 27.5" that I felt is superior to a 29 or a 26. I'd rather have a bike with a specific best of feature e.g. Nimbleness vs a tweener.

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    Most new riders buy in the 29ers (I was no different) and hard tails make the more logical and more affordable choice for somebody getting in the sport.

    Even the more experienced riders seem to be switching over to 29ers.

    Not that I think any wheel size is better than the next as they all lose something to gain something. However to me the 650b makes the least choice.

    Would manufacturers like to be able to sink all their R&D in to one wheel size? Sure, it is easier and cheaper but lets face the facts if they stop making one, they are just handing business over to the companies that are still making them.

    That all being said, be ready for 32" because I don't think that is just going to go away either. It may take a few years, but it will be the next big thing.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HSracer View Post
    I read this in another thread and am wondering what you guys think.

    Anyways here's what Giant is saying about wheel sizes
    "Can we expect to see 29 and 26-inch wheels eventually disappear in Giant's consumer-priced bikes in the near future?

    · 26-inch for sure, but 29-inch will be dependent on market feedback. That said, if the market progresses the way we believe it will, 29-inch will be phased out in approximately two years....again, totally dependent on market feedback."

    Taken from - 650B For Giant's 2014 Elite-Level Mountain Bikes - Pinkbike

    As someone who has been looking into 29ers for my next XC race bike this is a bit troublesome. I know they're just talking about the Giant line but I would guess that other bike makers have the same thought process.
    I bet Giant "want" to go to 650...saves having 2 wheel sizes and makes a lot of geo possibilities easier to make and design....can get a little of both worlds, but obviously they'll only do it if people want it..."market feedback". My guess is people will still prefer 29ers with a few falling elsewhere. I don't think they are commenting on the 29er market in general but more on what they'd like to do and if the market will let them.

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    29ers in the Xc market alone will keep them around a long time. Let alone all the new longer travel great handling trail/all moutian 29ers.

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    “We have not killed 29 in 2014...but we do have plans to phase it out over time."

    Read this article at Bike Magazine about Giant exiting the 29er segment.

    I thought it was strange for such a large company to pre-announce the demise and the end of life of current products.

    “We are fully committed to 27.5,” explains Giant’s Global Marketing Manager, Andrew Juskaitis. “We are not introducing just one or two models. We are not testing the waters here. We believe so strongly in what 27.5 has to offer that we’ve committed the majority of our 2014 line to 27.5—from sport to race. This is the boldest decision we have ever made in our company’s history.”

    While Juskaitis notes that Giant will continue to offer 29ers in 2014, he maintains that 27.5 is the future for the company. “We have not killed 29 in 2014, but it is minimized,” explains Juskaitis. “We are not going to turn off the tap entirely this year, but we do have plans to phase it out over time.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by mappable View Post
    Read this article at Bike Magazine about Giant exiting the 29er segment.

    I thought it was strange for such a large company to pre-announce the demise and the end of life of current products.

    “We are fully committed to 27.5,” explains Giant’s Global Marketing Manager, Andrew Juskaitis. “We are not introducing just one or two models. We are not testing the waters here. We believe so strongly in what 27.5 has to offer that we’ve committed the majority of our 2014 line to 27.5—from sport to race. This is the boldest decision we have ever made in our company’s history.”

    While Juskaitis notes that Giant will continue to offer 29ers in 2014, he maintains that 27.5 is the future for the company. “We have not killed 29 in 2014, but it is minimized,” explains Juskaitis. “We are not going to turn off the tap entirely this year, but we do have plans to phase it out over time.”
    What is their share of the 29er market? % to total biz? Knowing these stats would quantify their "gamble". I suspect they are losing share and made a decision to do something drastic.

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    It seems to me they might be taking a Niner approach. The whole "this is the best wheelsize and the only one worth making" deal.

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    Funny this thread got started as about a month ago I spoke to one of the National Sales managers for Orbea and he made the statement "in two years 29ers will be gone" His reason was that the 29ers have not take off in the rest of the World like they have in the US and we are a very small market overall. I would say Giant and Orbea are getting killed in the 29er market and are laying their line on a pipe dream. I laughed at him but if that's true I guess I just bought my last bike as I will not go back down in wheel size. I find it hard to believe Yeti, Santa Cruz, Pivot, and Niner will ever quit building a 29" bike. They are all thriving because the big brands like Giant, Treck, Specialized all drug their feet getting into the 29" market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB412 View Post
    What is their share of the 29er market? % to total biz? Knowing these stats would quantify their "gamble". I suspect they are losing share and made a decision to do something drastic.
    True. I wonder what Giant dealers think of this decision? Those dealers are really going to have to get on board to sell a middle wheel size. Bold move on a somewhat unknown wheel size to most joe publics out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSJ1973 View Post
    True. I wonder what Giant dealers think of this decision? Those dealers are really going to have to get on board to sell a middle wheel size. Bold move on a somewhat unknown wheel size to most joe publics out there.
    Simple. They just diversify brands. People who want that brand in a 650b wheel can go there, and now there's added floor space for a brand like Niner, Yeti, Airborne, or others to start moving bikes on.

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    Giant may want to pass that information on to their employees. I was in a Giant Store 3 weeks ago and the shop assistant told me that within 2 years Giant would only be selling 29ers!!

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    Bring this topic up again when Santa Cruz does something that can be interpreted as dropping wheel sizes to mainly focus on one. Seems like people are misinterpreting things. To me, it looks like they are just trying to make their line-up more efficient, dropping things with low sales, maybe like their women's 29er models, 26 Anthem and HT, etc. and reintroducing their trail/AM 26 as 650b, which is a market they see to be worth targeting. Do people here find any Giant models to actually be desirable besides their 29er HT and Anthem, Trance, and maybe Defy road bike compared to the competition? Looks to me that Giant kind of wants to change that. I think it's not a bad business move, considering that 26" demand is getting picked up by niche brands like Knolly, 29er demand is picked by a lot of competition like Spec, Trek, Niner, and all the brands that used to be in the niche 26" market like Santa Cruz, Yeti, Intense, Turner, etc. 27.5 market is pretty wide open. I'm not sure who else has been successful in the 27.5 market besides Santa Cruz.

    Why the focus on wheel size anyways? IMO, what makes mtn biking fun are the trails, not the bikes. Would be cool if we could buy new better trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HSracer View Post
    It seems to me they might be taking a Niner approach. The whole "this is the best wheelsize and the only one worth making" deal.
    Yeah, but Niner has only sold 29ers.

    Hard to believe a company like Giant would seek to LIMIT their current share of the market.

    Their public statements truly surprise me.

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    For XC oriented hard tails, I don't see 27.5/650b overtaking 29ers any time soon.

    As an XC racer, despite only being 5'6", I prefer the rolling speed and lateral grip of 29ers over the smaller wheel sizes. I imagine many others do, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowPokePete View Post
    Yeah, but Niner has only sold 29ers.

    Hard to believe a company like Giant would seek to LIMIT their current share of the market.

    Their public statements truly surprise me.

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    I agree. This strikes me as a rather strange move. "Well, shoot. We couldn't dominate the 29er market because we got in way too late, so let's try and jump out in front in the 27.5 race."

    The other thing is this: Why didn't they jump in with 27.5 before this, if it's so much better? Because they're effectively admitting that they didn't research 27.5 and 29ers the first time around the block.

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    One thing to think about is: picture yourself as a clueless newbie walking into a bike in the next year or two. "Here's three wheel sizes," the sales guys says, "the big one is good at some stuff but bad at others; the smallest is the opposite, and there's this size in the middle." I'd bet a lot of people will just hedge their bets and go with the middle compromise. Just my theory.
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