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    What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused

    I read this in another thread and am wondering what you guys think.

    Anyways here's what Giant is saying about wheel sizes
    "Can we expect to see 29 and 26-inch wheels eventually disappear in Giant's consumer-priced bikes in the near future?

    · 26-inch for sure, but 29-inch will be dependent on market feedback. That said, if the market progresses the way we believe it will, 29-inch will be phased out in approximately two years....again, totally dependent on market feedback."

    Taken from - 650B For Giant's 2014 Elite-Level Mountain Bikes - Pinkbike

    As someone who has been looking into 29ers for my next XC race bike this is a bit troublesome. I know they're just talking about the Giant line but I would guess that other bike makers have the same thought process.

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    Won't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB412 View Post
    Won't happen.
    Wow, so insightful

    But seriously, a little explanation would be nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB412 View Post
    Won't happen.
    I agree 100% 29 er's are here to stay for awhile.
    Got my first 29 er and I'm amazed what this thing roll's over. (I'm a rookie)
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    I know I have said this a lot, but if 29ers leave the market, bike brands do not know what their customers want.
    Some want 26", some want 29", sheep want 27.5", etc.

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    29er's are here to stay and I believe 26" isn't going away anytime soon (as a whole).

    I do think however, bike manufacturers wish there was one wheel size or at least certainly not 3 wheel sizes. Maybe Giant is just putting nasty rumors out there in order to try and control what people start buying.
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    Giant has nothing better than adequate in the current marketplace. And no innovative models- some are falling behind the development curve with steep head tube angles that are twitchy. So their 29 sales may not seem enough...
    The rest of the world is just beginning to jump on board.
    Things are rolling and 29 will roll over this.

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    I am willing to believe Giant that 650B is marginally better on paper but people like 29" wheels. They just look cool and people care about other things than calculations on a piece of paper when buying a bike.

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    Re: What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused

    Giant may be retarded and think of getting rid of 29ers but id bet they are the only ones. Trek is probably laughing histarically at them right now cause I see ppl buying trek 29ers all the time. Just ran into a couple at trails today that just bought trek marlin 29ers brand new yesturday and today was their first ride on them. I see 29er hts over anything else out here. So it'd be serious hit to dealers here to loose them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HSracer View Post
    Wow, so insightful

    But seriously, a little explanation would be nice
    Really not worth the debate. 29ers are the most popular bike in the market. I personally sold my 26 as it never made it out of the garage once the 29 arrived.

    I've yet to ride a 27.5" that I felt is superior to a 29 or a 26. I'd rather have a bike with a specific best of feature e.g. Nimbleness vs a tweener.

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    Most new riders buy in the 29ers (I was no different) and hard tails make the more logical and more affordable choice for somebody getting in the sport.

    Even the more experienced riders seem to be switching over to 29ers.

    Not that I think any wheel size is better than the next as they all lose something to gain something. However to me the 650b makes the least choice.

    Would manufacturers like to be able to sink all their R&D in to one wheel size? Sure, it is easier and cheaper but lets face the facts if they stop making one, they are just handing business over to the companies that are still making them.

    That all being said, be ready for 32" because I don't think that is just going to go away either. It may take a few years, but it will be the next big thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HSracer View Post
    I read this in another thread and am wondering what you guys think.

    Anyways here's what Giant is saying about wheel sizes
    "Can we expect to see 29 and 26-inch wheels eventually disappear in Giant's consumer-priced bikes in the near future?

    · 26-inch for sure, but 29-inch will be dependent on market feedback. That said, if the market progresses the way we believe it will, 29-inch will be phased out in approximately two years....again, totally dependent on market feedback."

    Taken from - 650B For Giant's 2014 Elite-Level Mountain Bikes - Pinkbike

    As someone who has been looking into 29ers for my next XC race bike this is a bit troublesome. I know they're just talking about the Giant line but I would guess that other bike makers have the same thought process.
    I bet Giant "want" to go to 650...saves having 2 wheel sizes and makes a lot of geo possibilities easier to make and design....can get a little of both worlds, but obviously they'll only do it if people want it..."market feedback". My guess is people will still prefer 29ers with a few falling elsewhere. I don't think they are commenting on the 29er market in general but more on what they'd like to do and if the market will let them.

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    29ers in the Xc market alone will keep them around a long time. Let alone all the new longer travel great handling trail/all moutian 29ers.

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    “We have not killed 29 in 2014...but we do have plans to phase it out over time."

    Read this article at Bike Magazine about Giant exiting the 29er segment.

    I thought it was strange for such a large company to pre-announce the demise and the end of life of current products.

    “We are fully committed to 27.5,” explains Giant’s Global Marketing Manager, Andrew Juskaitis. “We are not introducing just one or two models. We are not testing the waters here. We believe so strongly in what 27.5 has to offer that we’ve committed the majority of our 2014 line to 27.5—from sport to race. This is the boldest decision we have ever made in our company’s history.”

    While Juskaitis notes that Giant will continue to offer 29ers in 2014, he maintains that 27.5 is the future for the company. “We have not killed 29 in 2014, but it is minimized,” explains Juskaitis. “We are not going to turn off the tap entirely this year, but we do have plans to phase it out over time.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by mappable View Post
    Read this article at Bike Magazine about Giant exiting the 29er segment.

    I thought it was strange for such a large company to pre-announce the demise and the end of life of current products.

    “We are fully committed to 27.5,” explains Giant’s Global Marketing Manager, Andrew Juskaitis. “We are not introducing just one or two models. We are not testing the waters here. We believe so strongly in what 27.5 has to offer that we’ve committed the majority of our 2014 line to 27.5—from sport to race. This is the boldest decision we have ever made in our company’s history.”

    While Juskaitis notes that Giant will continue to offer 29ers in 2014, he maintains that 27.5 is the future for the company. “We have not killed 29 in 2014, but it is minimized,” explains Juskaitis. “We are not going to turn off the tap entirely this year, but we do have plans to phase it out over time.”
    What is their share of the 29er market? % to total biz? Knowing these stats would quantify their "gamble". I suspect they are losing share and made a decision to do something drastic.

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    It seems to me they might be taking a Niner approach. The whole "this is the best wheelsize and the only one worth making" deal.

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    Funny this thread got started as about a month ago I spoke to one of the National Sales managers for Orbea and he made the statement "in two years 29ers will be gone" His reason was that the 29ers have not take off in the rest of the World like they have in the US and we are a very small market overall. I would say Giant and Orbea are getting killed in the 29er market and are laying their line on a pipe dream. I laughed at him but if that's true I guess I just bought my last bike as I will not go back down in wheel size. I find it hard to believe Yeti, Santa Cruz, Pivot, and Niner will ever quit building a 29" bike. They are all thriving because the big brands like Giant, Treck, Specialized all drug their feet getting into the 29" market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB412 View Post
    What is their share of the 29er market? % to total biz? Knowing these stats would quantify their "gamble". I suspect they are losing share and made a decision to do something drastic.
    True. I wonder what Giant dealers think of this decision? Those dealers are really going to have to get on board to sell a middle wheel size. Bold move on a somewhat unknown wheel size to most joe publics out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSJ1973 View Post
    True. I wonder what Giant dealers think of this decision? Those dealers are really going to have to get on board to sell a middle wheel size. Bold move on a somewhat unknown wheel size to most joe publics out there.
    Simple. They just diversify brands. People who want that brand in a 650b wheel can go there, and now there's added floor space for a brand like Niner, Yeti, Airborne, or others to start moving bikes on.

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    Giant may want to pass that information on to their employees. I was in a Giant Store 3 weeks ago and the shop assistant told me that within 2 years Giant would only be selling 29ers!!

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    Bring this topic up again when Santa Cruz does something that can be interpreted as dropping wheel sizes to mainly focus on one. Seems like people are misinterpreting things. To me, it looks like they are just trying to make their line-up more efficient, dropping things with low sales, maybe like their women's 29er models, 26 Anthem and HT, etc. and reintroducing their trail/AM 26 as 650b, which is a market they see to be worth targeting. Do people here find any Giant models to actually be desirable besides their 29er HT and Anthem, Trance, and maybe Defy road bike compared to the competition? Looks to me that Giant kind of wants to change that. I think it's not a bad business move, considering that 26" demand is getting picked up by niche brands like Knolly, 29er demand is picked by a lot of competition like Spec, Trek, Niner, and all the brands that used to be in the niche 26" market like Santa Cruz, Yeti, Intense, Turner, etc. 27.5 market is pretty wide open. I'm not sure who else has been successful in the 27.5 market besides Santa Cruz.

    Why the focus on wheel size anyways? IMO, what makes mtn biking fun are the trails, not the bikes. Would be cool if we could buy new better trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HSracer View Post
    It seems to me they might be taking a Niner approach. The whole "this is the best wheelsize and the only one worth making" deal.
    Yeah, but Niner has only sold 29ers.

    Hard to believe a company like Giant would seek to LIMIT their current share of the market.

    Their public statements truly surprise me.

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    For XC oriented hard tails, I don't see 27.5/650b overtaking 29ers any time soon.

    As an XC racer, despite only being 5'6", I prefer the rolling speed and lateral grip of 29ers over the smaller wheel sizes. I imagine many others do, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowPokePete View Post
    Yeah, but Niner has only sold 29ers.

    Hard to believe a company like Giant would seek to LIMIT their current share of the market.

    Their public statements truly surprise me.

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    I agree. This strikes me as a rather strange move. "Well, shoot. We couldn't dominate the 29er market because we got in way too late, so let's try and jump out in front in the 27.5 race."

    The other thing is this: Why didn't they jump in with 27.5 before this, if it's so much better? Because they're effectively admitting that they didn't research 27.5 and 29ers the first time around the block.
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    One thing to think about is: picture yourself as a clueless newbie walking into a bike in the next year or two. "Here's three wheel sizes," the sales guys says, "the big one is good at some stuff but bad at others; the smallest is the opposite, and there's this size in the middle." I'd bet a lot of people will just hedge their bets and go with the middle compromise. Just my theory.

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    Giant was never a forefront of product development kind of company so i don't know what the big deal is about this press release. To put things in context, you are raving about the opinions of the same people that thought 1.1/4 forks and stems are a good idea..

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    I am guessing Giant thinks they are big enough to create the 650b hype. I am sure their marketing strategy involves creating negative ads about 29ers, and death if you continue to ride them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HSracer View Post
    I read this in another thread and am wondering what you guys think.

    [..again, totally dependent on market feedback."[/I]
    Supply and demand. Companies should provide the supply for what is demanded. No demand. No supply. That is all he is saying. 26 is dying for the same reason.
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    Marketing is an interesting science. There are literally masters degree courses in college for it now when 20 years ago marketing classes were just a small part of a business degree.

    For all the research and science of it, the success of any given marketing campaign is still guesswork and retroactive back patting IF you guess correctly. The Giant corporation most likely has some young new marketing guy who is more salesman than businessman that has them sold on his guess.

    It may work for them. The profit margin of specializing in one wheel size and doing it well may pay off. This move by one company hardly translates to the 26 and 29 wheel disappearing. If Giant's strategy is successful you may see other companies follow suit by picking one wheel size, but the more successful Giant is with the 27.5 the less likely the next company will be to pick that exact size.

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    I always thought that Giant made cool bikes, but their dealer network is not that great. Giant as one of the largest bike companies in the world does not come close to Trek, Spec., and Cannondale availability in the states.

    They have all kinds of marketing about their in-house control of design to end product and superior carbon technology, etc. But, their bikes are difficult to find. My guess is companies like Giant and Scott have a larger presence outside of the US. If 29ers don't really sell outside of the US, I could see them giving up the wheel size.

    As far as Orbea, mentioned above, I cannot think of seeing an Orbea mountain bike on a trail. My neighbor has one of their road bikes. I don't think their opinion has much weight in the US mountain bike segment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRingGrinder View Post
    Marketing is an interesting science. There are literally masters degree courses in college for it now when 20 years ago marketing classes were just a small part of a business degree.

    For all the research and science of it, the success of any given marketing campaign is still guesswork and retroactive back patting IF you guess correctly. The Giant corporation most likely has some young new marketing guy who is more salesman than businessman that has them sold on his guess.

    It may work for them. The profit margin of specializing in one wheel size and doing it well may pay off. This move by one company hardly translates to the 26 and 29 wheel disappearing. If Giant's strategy is successful you may see other companies follow suit by picking one wheel size, but the more successful Giant is with the 27.5 the less likely the next company will be to pick that exact size.
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    All of these wheel sizes will be old news when the 28.25" wheel size makes its appearance anyway. It will have all of the best qualities of a 29" wheel and a 27.5" wheel in one.

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    Im holding out for the 31.5"

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    C'mon, we all know 29 is just a fad. Giant is just being up front about it!

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    I've seen a few Giant's on the the trails around here lately.....all 29ers. I guess Giant knows what their customer's want

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    Trust me, start hoarding 29er tires now. Those smug 650b riders have been waiting for this opportunity.

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    Giant is making a good move, and it has more to do with better business than with better technology.

    Here are my thoughts. The concept of 27.5 wheelsize is fairly simple, but what about the business of the 27.5 wheelsize?

    Let's ask a series of questions.

    1. What does the demographics look like for the masses who are in the position to spend the most on a mountain bike?

    2. If they already own one or two, how do we get them to buy more.

    3. And if we're Giant, how do we generate the most market share from this segment?

    I believe that Giant has answered these questions with "all in" on the 27.5. If looking at the current market strictly in terms of wheel size, and if you were to focus most of your resources on just one, which one would it be? 26? 27.5? or 29?

    I think it's a good bet from the business perspective, which as a business, one must eventually look at.

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    It's going to come down to the same thing as before, 29er riders pulling away in terrain where they can keep their momentum better. Not as bad with 27.5, but I'm sure it will come down to that and 26" will just look ridiculous. 26 has been "out" for several years now. Sure, they still made the 26" bikes and we are just seeing in the last couple years the kind of 29er FS bikes we've dreamed of, but all that tells me is that 26 is going bye bye and 29 is here to stay. I think lots of custom manufacturers and others will stay dedicated to it for a long time, as well as the big guys. Giant may be going out on a limb here, but they have the manufacturing power to change their line on a whim. Many companies, not just specialized, have a lot invested in new 29er bikes and they are still selling like hotcakes.
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    I just finished the High Cascade 24hr race in Bend, OR. The overwhelming bike of choice was 29er and most of them were hard tails. I know of one 27.5 for sure. I also recently bumped into a Jamis Sales Rep in Bend and was told that they are moving toward 27.5 and 29 only. I competed in two XC races this year and by far the 29er rules the roost. The money that is currently tied up in it by every bike company leads me to believe its here to stay. My next bike will be a 29er/HT for sure. I miss the feel of the HT and the 29er only adds to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syl3 View Post
    Giant was never a forefront of product development kind of company so i don't know what the big deal is about this press release. To put things in context, you are raving about the opinions of the same people that thought 1.1/4 forks and stems are a good idea..
    Well, they launched the tapered one out and it is a standard now everybody raves about. Similar to sloping geometries. Their opinions can be good ones.

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    At the risk of being repetitive I quote the following from a Wikipedia article on the Bicycle Wheel. 650B is essentially a 26" wheel with a narrower tire. There is just under one inch difference in BSD between 26" and 650B.

    Other sizes 26"
    The common "26-inch" wheel used on mountain bikes is an American size using a 559 mm rim, traditionally with hooked edges.
    There are four other "26-inch" (British designation) or "650" (French) sizes, from the narrow tires to the widest, which traditionally all measured the same outside diameter.[34][38]
    650 - ISO 32-597 (26 x 1 ¼) - Older British sport bikes. Schwinns with narrow tires.[39]
    650A - ISO 37-590 (26 x 1 ⅜) - Common on many vintage frames ranging from American-made Murray and Huffy as well as English and French manufactures like Raleigh and Peugeot.
    650B - ISO 40-584 (26 x 1 ½) - Also 650B demi-ballon. French tandems, touring bicycles; enjoying a revival.[35] (584 mm rims with wide, knobby tires, aka; balloon, are also known as 27.5 inch mountain bike wheels)
    650C - ISO 44-571 (26 x 1 ¾) - Formerly 47mm wide on Schwinn cruisers and for British trade/delivery bikes. Currently ISO 28-571, size is the same, but the narrower and less overall wheel diameter are built for triathlon, time trial and small road bikes.[40]
    Widths of tires and corresponding ISO width designations may vary, though the wheel outside diameter remains approximately the same.[41]

    What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused-800px-tyre_and_rim_technical_data_02-en.png

    With the obvious acceptance of the 29" wheel over recent years, it would appear that manufacturers believe that the 27.5" wheel is a better option than 26".

    I think all they are saying that 26" will be phased out in favor of 27.5". The end of 29" wheels is not likely and is probably editorial input from Pinkbike who are anti 29" zealots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmahhh View Post
    All of these wheel sizes will be old news when the 28.25" wheel size makes its appearance anyway. It will have all of the best qualities of a 29" wheel and a 27.5" wheel in one.
    I would love it!!

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    Newbie here , where does Giant stand in the hierarchy of all bike manufactures?

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    I talked to someone about this in detail the other day. The conclusion we came to, regarding the main reason Giant is doing this, is due to value.

    I once made it a point that one of the major downsides to 29ers was weight. There was quite a bit of expense to a 29er, due to all the upgrades people did to them, to get the weight down. Giant seems to have noticed this and found that 650b was the best compromise between price and performance, with overall weight being an important factor.

    I think the point they're probably trying to make is, spend $2100 on one of our "mid-range" FS 650b bikes (ex. Trance 3 650b) and you may have just amount of fun as the guy on the "mid-range" $4000 FS 29er bike. At that price range, I wouldn't be surprised if they both weighed about 28-29 lbs, which is kind of hefty, made worse by the fact that 29ers don't accelerate very well. Light and responsive bikes are fun, but do you really need to buy high end carbon wheels and weight weenie tires to help get that? Some are spending over $6k on their "dream bikes", yet there's still plenty of room for upgrades... it's starting to get ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HSracer View Post
    Wow, so insightful

    But seriously, a little explanation would be nice
    The statement is off-the-wall ridiculous... almost as ridiculous as taking anything on Pinkbike seriously.
    29ers aren't going anywhere. For that matter 26" bikes are still going to be around in line-ups in two years.
    Put a reminder in your calendar to check Giant's website for 29ers in two years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varaxis View Post
    I talked to someone about this in detail the other day. The conclusion we came to, regarding the main reason Giant is doing this, is due to value.

    I once made it a point that one of the major downsides to 29ers was weight. There was quite a bit of expense to a 29er, due to all the upgrades people did to them, to get the weight down. Giant seems to have noticed this and found that 650b was the best compromise between price and performance, with overall weight being an important factor.

    I think the point they're probably trying to make is, spend $2100 on one of our "mid-range" FS 650b bikes (ex. Trance 3 650b) and you may have just amount of fun as the guy on the "mid-range" $4000 FS 29er bike. At that price range, I wouldn't be surprised if they both weighed about 28-29 lbs, which is kind of hefty, made worse by the fact that 29ers don't accelerate very well. Light and responsive bikes are fun, but do you really need to buy high end carbon wheels and weight weenie tires to help get that? Some are spending over $6k on their "dream bikes", yet there's still plenty of room for upgrades... it's starting to get ridiculous.
    Just picked up a '14 Anthem X 29er 1 and they claim it weighs 27 lbs. My less than perfect method, comparing me on scale to me holding bike on scale, shows that number to be true. Are 27.5 full sus really much less weight?

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    I imagine 650b will probably dominate the FS market in coming years, but I think 29-inch wheels will continue to be the most common size for hardtails, rigids, singlespeeds and even recreational/bike path bikes.

    And even if my uneducated prediction doesn't come true and all the major brands shift their focus to 27.5, there will still be plenty of smaller companies, frame builders and wheel builders that will support 26 and 29-inch wheels for many years to come. Wagon wheels aren't going away any time soon.
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    Consider that Anthem X 29er has a frame weight of just over 5 lbs, rivaling carbon frames, and you got their top level component spec for that alloy frame. What did it come in at, 4k? That's an XC bike and at 27 lbs for an XC bike, for anyone riding true XC, that is high enough that you would want to put it on a diet.

    With 29ers, you might be able to save weight in a few ways. Downsizing your suspension travel needs and your tire beefiness needs are two rather major options. I never fail to see people, claiming to be "trail riders", riding 26" FS bikes with way more travel than they actually need, maybe with 140mm travel bikes (ex. Giant Reign) on a XC trail. 29er riders seem to be saying that they can do almost all the trail on their XC FS bikes with 100mm travel, but they're not really willing to do drops and jumps like they would on a slightly longer travel bike, and hesitate to take it to the lift-served shuttle trails, when they really are interested in such riding, as the frame and suspension doesn't seem to be made stout enough for such. It's not that uncommon to see dropper posts on 100mm FS bikes around my area. Giant is now offering that in-betweener 120mm 650b bike, that might actually do it all. 27 lbs is actually a decent weight if you're a trail rider that wants something trail-tough, and having the frame, fork, and wheels (and other stock spec) being designed specifically for trail, rather than XC, would help cut expenses.

    Not too long ago, 29er riders were demanding stiffer forks. Enter the Fox 34 and 15QR. Fox 34 turned out to be too heavy, and some consider the 15QR to be not enough, wanting the 20mm axle and the bigger hubs that come with it. People were also complaining about 140mm 26" forks being too flexy. Well, now 32mm forks got stiffened up, with an improved stiffness to weight ratio and then there's the new Pike people are raving about. That fork is expensive at $1k. There's a lot of options at $400 or so, but they're not too well suited for the kind of bike people seem to want, which is more than XC, but not too much that it's more for the DH/shuttle/lift crowd. A 120mm 26" might seem like not enough, while a 120mm 29er might seem flexy... 120mm 650b seems like an interesting compromise, that might save you from the expense of going with a Pike and building a bike around such a fork, which actually might be more than you actually need. Reading up on reasons to buy the Pike 29, it seems people wanted something stiff (stiffer than 32mm forks), yet lighter than the Fox 34, and since the A-C measurement was lower than the Fox 34, people were opting for more travel as well... a 650b 32mm fork might be sufficiently stiff and lighter, without all of that [excess] travel that could lead to inefficiency for general trail riding.

    The more I check out 650b stuff, the more it seems to make sense, *especially* now that I see that it combines all the 29er-driven innovation and proven concepts from both wheel sizes, to please the demands of riders these days. It doesn't seem to be backwards or anything. People have warmed up to the advantages of a bigger wheel size with the 29er, but they are demanding that it be improved in ways that are challenging. I think 650b is one of the answers, if you're one of those riders demanding such. Probably not for everyone, but I'm starting to think trail riders will find it appealing. I'm starting to get "sold", at least looking at it objectively from the problem solving point of view. This 650b movement seems to be an answer to that silliness, compromising on travel amounts, going too XC or too AM than suited for your style, on paper at least. For me to be sold, it's got to prove it to me on the trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie View Post
    At the risk of being repetitive I quote the following from a Wikipedia article on the Bicycle Wheel. 650B is essentially a 26" wheel with a narrower tire. There is just under one inch difference in BSD between 26" and 650B.

    Other sizes 26"
    The common "26-inch" wheel used on mountain bikes is an American size using a 559 mm rim, traditionally with hooked edges.

    650B - ISO 40-584 (26 x 1 ½) - Also 650B demi-ballon. French tandems, touring bicycles; enjoying a revival.[35] (584 mm rims with wide, knobby tires, aka; balloon, are also known as 27.5 inch mountain bike wheels)
    Wow, yeah never looked at it that way. Just under an inch.

    584mm - 559mm = 25mm or 0.984252 inches. So that's why all these wheels fit in 26" frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varaxis View Post
    Consider that Anthem X 29er has a frame weight of just over 5 lbs, rivaling carbon frames, and you got their top level component spec for that alloy frame. What did it come in at, 4k?
    $2800 actually. Still feels like an anchor compared to my Seven 622 SLX. I'm really a roadie just looking to return to the woods for cold weather riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalpete View Post
    Newbie here , where does Giant stand in the hierarchy of all bike manufactures?
    Supposedly the largest, but there may be some companies in China that produce more bikes for internal consumption. I have no clue where Giant stands in production of mountain bikes. Giant manufactures bikes for other brands. Giant is part of the big three: Giant, Specialized, Trek. Cannondale may fit in their somewhere. Think GM, Ford, Toyota. Giant is big.

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    My $.10...

    29er fit has been hard to come by and I started in 2005 on a KM. I am not the tallest guy in the world (5-7) and I tend to throw my bike around. 29er's went against everything I originally learned how to do on a bike.

    Present-day I am still learning how to get around the deficiencies of a 29er, but at least I found a few models that fit well. The simple fact is that 26er parts are starting to erode and 29er parts are expanding all the time. This in itself will force the use of 29ers in the future and make 26er's the bicycle's of small adults like my 5' tall wife.

    So even though I don't see a lot of personal gain out of the 29er product progression, I know it is the standard wheelset size going into the future. So we all will have to adapt and accept what is taking place in the marketplace.

    Now...

    1. Is 26er going to disappear? NO... between the 30+yrs of old bikes that need parts and short riders, 26 is going to be around for a long time. If anything, "cruiser 24" will probably disappear.

    2. 650b future? YES... that wheel will be around for a while because it promotes better fit geo for short riders. Most 26er frames can tightly fit 650b. And I have seen an up-tick in 650b bikes at regional races, so they are being used for a reason. When I was in Germany 6mo ago, I saw even more 650b.


    In the end, wheel-size zealots will have their discussions and soap-box bullsh!t blogs. But the market responds to customer wants, NOT needs. Frankly I am suprised that a "29er" forum even exists present-day. It IS the bicycle now... it isn't a niche product.
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    Giant is out of their mind.

    I think 27.5 has a really strong chance to stick around and overtake 26" wheels but it's not an easy sell.

    29ers just work so well for the IMBA trail sanitation standards.

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    I agree here with most. It does make sense (somewhat) for them to begin to phase out the 26 inch bikes going forward but to even comment that 29ers are going away is ludicruis to me. Maybe even wishful thinking on their part.

    I have ridden all three and 26 and 650b are pretty close IMO. 29 is still a pretty different ride and on certain trails still seems like it would be the preferable choice.

    I think all three sizes could coexist but I just don't see 26inch wheels around as new bikes for much longer as a whole.

    In my local craiglist ads used parts (fork's, wheels, etc.) you can get half of what you can get for 29inch parts. Unscientific I know but worth noting..

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    Won't?

    Now that is really going out on a limb. Saying anything "won't" happen is way to optimistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdb View Post
    Supposedly the largest, but there may be some companies in China that produce more bikes for internal consumption. I have no clue where Giant stands in production of mountain bikes. Giant manufactures bikes for other brands. Giant is part of the big three: Giant, Specialized, Trek. Cannondale may fit in their somewhere. Think GM, Ford, Toyota. Giant is big.
    Giant owns factories and production, it's not necessarily the bikes that end up with the name "giant" in the bike shop.
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    "There are literally masters degree courses in college for it now when 20 years ago marketing classes were just a small part of a business degree."

    Huh? In 1977 I got an MBA in Marketing. It is certainly nothing new. Where have you been?

    As for all the comments others have made on Giant being behind the curve, not knowing what they are doing etc. I'm sure the largest bike company in the world (the one that probably makes the bikes for so many other smaller brands) has some idea of what they are doing.

    I never bought into 29" I don't hate it or love it or really give a rats arsh about wheel size. I just enjoy riding and can see 27.5 as the way to go. Not the best thing to say on the 29" forum but a fact none-the-less. The truth is I was saying today that I would probably buy a 29" FS for my next bike but a 27.5" would probably work just as well for my type of riding.

    What someone else said about a person entering a bike shop, finding three wheel choices and taking the middle of the road approach makes sense too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post
    What someone else said about a person entering a bike shop, finding three wheel choices and taking the middle of the road approach makes sense too.
    With that logic, wait for the 32" wheel to make an appearance, and then 29er might be the middle of the road. Okay, I'm just JKing about that...

    Realistically, in the end, I think people will be buying whatever they see others buying, others that they believe to share something in common with. If they are unhappy with that, then they might seek out the better choice that addresses their concerns. 650b is a solution that might be for those that want the performance of bigger wheels, but don't find the 29er suiting them.

    I still think 29er offers more capability. I want to see 29er DH in the pro ranks, and I don't mean something like Fontana/Southridge nor Sea Otter. I've been spoiled by high end 29ers, so none of the 650b I've tried have impressed me yet, though the only one I really tried on real trails that I can compare to my 29er is the Rocky Mtn Altitude 790 MSL. I think I would rather have a quiver, a 26 playbike and a 29er racy, yet balanced all-day bike, rather than go for a single in-betweener.
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    Never having ridden a 27.5", I can't comment on them. I have ridden a number of high end 29" and would say that if I was buying a bike today, I would go in that direction but I can not realistically justify the entry price. A new bike is going to cost in the area of $4k and I already have two 26" bikes I am very happy with. It is going to be interesting to see what is out there next summer when the 2015's start showing up because that is more in the ball park for a purchase.

    My local east coast terrain is more tight and technical than anything else so a responsive longer travel bike fits my needs. Just the thing a 27.5" is supposed to be best suited for. As I said, next year will be very interesting.

    PS: I'm now officially old as crap and my back says "don't be stupid, ride FS or stick to your road bike."

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    I’ve got to give Giant credit for rocking the boat and making the wheel wars a lot more intriguing. I mean hell, Specialized just skipped right past 27.5 on nothing less than a 155mm travel Enduro 29. At this point, I’m actually interested to see how this all plays out. I popped up a big bowl of popcorn for this one.

    I’m not buying everything Giant is saying by a long shot, but I’m not 100% dismissing it either. 27.5 is a compromise just like any other wheel size, but maybe it’s the best compromise for more riders than was previously thought.

    I’m open to whatever wheel size works best, but I really don’t think I’ll ever be in the market for a smaller wheel. I’m not the norm though - I’m 6’2”, and weigh 230 geared. I looked at Giant’s charts in Pinkbike. IMO, at my weight, a few pounds just doesn’t matter that much, even when I apply a multiplier of 3 (uneducated guess) to the rotational weight in the wheels. And I don’t really care about the numerical value for the angle of attack. What I do care about is the difference in lost forward momentum when riding over obstacles of various sizes, and they didn’t include a table for that. Also, I believe that the greater the angle between the point of contact with the obstacle and the CG of the bike + rider, the greater the loss in momentum. So as a tall dude, I’m gonna keep rocking my big wheels.

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    I see it in pretty simple terms.

    There are two mainstream wheel sizes to choose from, big ( 29 ) and small ( 26 ). In two years time this will be exactly the same choice except small will now include 650b. The extent to which 26 will suffer from 650b market dominance will depend on public gullibility and the shear weight of hype which is currently looking unstoppable. As it's been already said, 650b is NOT an inbetween size and feels and behaves pretty much like a 26 compared to the huge difference in feel to a 29. Giant's cynical business positioning and attempt to influence the mass market towards one side of a clear wheel size choice is as cringeworthy as it's attempts to change steerer and headset standards. Just ignore them, they are followers not innovators.

    There is so much more to wheel size than this nonsense in any case. Surly's new 2.7 x 26 tyres for instance. interesting times...

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    When I upgraded my 26er bike up to 2.3" wide tires, I ended up with tires the same outside diameter as a 650b with 2.1" wide. IMHO 650b is just not enough of a difference from 26er. I am also guessing that 26er's will disappear in favor of 650b.

    The technology and demand for 29er's is huge and still growing. They will not be going away any day soon. My 700c hybrid rigid bike was an awesome bike. Oh and by the way, 700c is almost the same size as a 29er, just a bit narrower. I learned to mtb with that bike. The roll-over capability and momentum of that bike was awesome compared to my current 26er FS bike. My next bike will most likely be a HT 29er.

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    Re: What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused

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    "When I upgraded my 26er bike up to 2.3" wide tires, I ended up with tires the same outside diameter as a 650b with 2.1" wide."

    Can you please specify, which 26" 2.3 and 27.5" 2.1 you are talking about?

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    Wheel size is primarily consumer-driven, then reinforced my industry marketing which drives demand even more. For one person 29ers are better, for another the old 26" works fine, and for still another the 27.5" just "feels right". It's all personal preference, and has little to do with wheel size. Some bikes, regardless of wheel size, just fit better than others. Consumers often mistake this feeling as a certain wheel size being superior than another. The fact is, riding your bike more has far more to do with how you feel on the bike and how well you ride than wheel size does. You can even get more out of choosing the appropriate tire tread pattern, tire pressure, or suspension tune for the terrain you're riding.

    My point is that bike companies have even SAID that wheel size doesn't matter much. They just don't want to miss out on sales, regardless of how strange consumers' reasoning is. So as long as there is sufficient demand for 26/27.5/29/36" wheels, there will be bikes and parts made for people to buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blundar View Post
    My 700c hybrid rigid bike was an awesome bike. Oh and by the way, 700c is almost the same size as a 29er, just a bit narrower. I learned to mtb with that bike. The roll-over capability and momentum of that bike was awesome compared to my current 26er FS bike. My next bike will most likely be a HT 29er.
    A 700C rim has exactly the same BSD(bead seat diameter) as a 29" mountain bike rim, namely 622mm.
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    giant is desparate. they have no ideas and they'd rather try and compete with the little companies who are taking the first leap in 27.5" than lose their arses with their lame 29" models v. S and Trek. In a couple years Santa Cruz will be buying Giant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post

    Huh? In 1977 I got an MBA in Marketing. It is certainly nothing new. Where have you been?
    Under a rock evidently. I have only recently encountered people with marketing degrees. I am sure that has nothing to do with how many years i was a blue color grunt and paid zero attention to co worker/business associate/client/competitor education background. :P I just assumed SEO, paperclick, social media, bla bla bla was the birth of modern marketing, not the evolution of it.

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    Meh, marketing ploy... and it might work for them. Reduce SKUs by having only 1 bike size (thus being able to sell them cheaper or make more money on them or likely a combo of both) and become known as the 650B specialists. Kinda like Niner but with 650B.

    Either way, the 29er ain't taking a dirt nap but I wouldn't be buying stock in 26 inch bikes any time soon. You couldn't find a high end 26 inch XC bike in AZ if you wanted one.

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    There's this company... they built their reputation and success on only selling 29ers... their name, it escapes me at the moment... But yeah, if Giant wanted to go all in with 650B, it likely would be an idea that would work out well for them. Its not like only selling 29ers is hurting that one other company.

    Edit: weird, someone else made a similar post in the same minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post

    My local east coast terrain is more tight and technical than anything else
    Like worse than this!? Jeeze that's crazy!

    What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused-sd550img_1953.jpg

    Funny thing on this ride, I was on my 7/8" highline, but I think there were at least 2 29ers, one of which being a lenz lunchbox, and that one seemed to do better than my dinky 26" wheels in this technical terrain. There are plenty of tight moves here where you have to take a certain line down a chute or make a certain corner, so there's a lot more to this than just rolling straight down. A lot of these rides got me thinking that the 29er guys are riding the same terrain as us on much heavier bigger-travel bikes, they didn't exactly make the kind of 29er at that time that I wanted, so I waited...
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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    There's this company... they built their reputation and success on only selling 29ers... their name, it escapes me at the moment... But yeah, if Giant wanted to go all in with 650B, it likely would be an idea that would work out well for them. Its not like only selling 29ers is hurting that one other company.

    Edit: weird, someone else made a similar post in the same minute.
    Well, one has to separate "Giant" the company that produces bikes with the name "Giant" in local bike shops from the company "Giant" that makes bikes for many other manufacturers that no doubt end up in all kinds of shops and likely online. Even if "Giant" only made 27.5" bikes under their name, they'd still be making lots of 29ers and 26ers for other companies, in addition to everything else they make. They are not really separate of course, but one saying they will only make 27.5 doesn't really affect the other...
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    Re: What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused

    Are the 29 in guys in the same boat as the 26" guys awhile ago? 650b has won xc world cups, cross races, enduro races, and had been wildly popular before the big companies started going in. Had every one been sleeping on the 650b forum? I worked at the internet arm of a bike shop and for the past six years 650 tires were always selling like hot cakes. I love my 29r...but I am jumping ship when a studded 650 tire comes along. The size rocks.
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    Wildly popular? I have yet to see one on the trail (admittedly, I live in SLC where we're pretty darn backwards).

    Walk into 10 random bikes shops in your area and count how many 650b items you can purchase. Let me know what you find. My guess is not many.

    It's a great wheel size and so are all the others and none of them are going anywhere. Kudos to the Giant marketing folks for getting a boatload of free publicity by making silly comments!

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    I would say that they are wildly popular in sense that we sold tons of rims and tires for a wheel size that really didn't exist. For awhile, it was our hottest selling tire size. I understand where you are coming from, not seeing them on the trails or in shops. I can walk into our shop(and others) and see them and i have seen a bunch in the trails already here in Maine.

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    Look at the MTBR Threads. 650B is always 1/3 of primary 29er forum volume... And that doesn't include the 29er parts/components forum.

    650 group size has not increased in months.

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    29ers are selling really well, 26 is okay and 650b has a lot of interest but not enough geometries to satisfy all the riders on the market yet. 26 may very well dwindle off but for many cross country racers the 29er will still be faster and smoother and people will want that for years to come. 29er won't be going away anytime soon.

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    What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB412 View Post
    Look at the MTBR Threads. 650B is always 1/3 of primary 29er forum volume... And that doesn't include the 29er parts/components forum.

    650 group size has not increased in months.
    You fail to take into account that the wheel sizes are at two separate places in time. Its not like 29ers were just starting a mainstream push last season.
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    For bikes up to 140 or 150 mm travel, I sometimes think the L and XL sizes should be 29ers, and the S and M sizes should be 650B.

    Question: Did you marketing guys have to read "Syrup" by Max Barry? Most hilarious send-up of marketing ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by indyfab25 View Post
    not seeing them on the trails or in shops. I can walk into our shop(and others) and see them and i have seen a bunch in the trails already here in Maine.
    The problem is you can't tell the difference between a 26" and 27" on the trail or in a bike shop considering the meager 25mm difference. I literally have to read the sidewall to tell what the size is.

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    650b is not a new technology.

    I was describing an observation in forum activity. The 650b group did not spike post Downieville marketing blitz and has remained flat. I wish I had recorded and graphed it. Considering this community I believe its a major indicator.

    That said I would ride a 650 in some isolated situations but it will never be my everyday AM bike. For ref I ride in Southern Cal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo View Post
    For bikes up to 140 or 150 mm travel, I sometimes think the L and XL sizes should be 29ers, and the S and M sizes should be 650B.

    Question: Did you marketing guys have to read "Syrup" by Max Barry? Most hilarious send-up of marketing ever!


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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    You fail to take into account that the wheel sizes are at two separate places in time. Its not like 29ers were just starting a mainstream push last season.
    IDK, I seem to remember very shortly after 29ers started breaking ground, within a year the 650s were there as well, in addition to the 69ers/96ers. I'd say 650 has been around almost as long as 29, it just never took off until there was a 29er dominated market.
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    What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    IDK, I seem to remember very shortly after 29ers started breaking ground, within a year the 650s were there as well, in addition to the 69ers/96ers. I'd say 650 has been around almost as long as 29, it just never took off until there was a 29er dominated market.
    It still hasn't taken off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    Its not like 29ers were just starting a mainstream push last season.
    Neither was 650b.
    More than a handful of companies have taken a swing at the whole "all in on the new idea" old ass trick since, what, about 2008? Jamis, Haro... now Giant.
    Meh... old ass tricks.
    Get on some NEW s**t!
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    No, not worst than that......

    I did say I was old. Old enough to know enough not to ride something like that. Tight twisty singletrack is plenty for me at this stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjsb View Post
    giant is desparate. they have no ideas and they'd rather try and compete with the little companies who are taking the first leap in 27.5" than lose their arses with their lame 29" models v. S and Trek. In a couple years Santa Cruz will be buying Giant.
    Santa Cruz will be buying Giant?
    Have you any clue how big Giant is? Their name alone should be a clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Kudos to the Giant marketing folks for getting a boatload of free publicity by making silly comments!

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    Probably the most silly...Patrick gets the award.



    Patrick VanHorn went on to say that extensive testing and prototyping demonstrated that Giant’s 27.5-inch models combine the best attributes of both the 26-inch and 29-inch wheel sizes without any of the disadvantages. “So what you get is better handling and better control from a lighter weight bike that still rolls over obstacles as well as a 29er,” he said.

    False. Thanks for playing.

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    Me too. Under a rock for many things myself that is, especially advances in mountain bikes. I guess you can always watch "Mad Men" to get an idea of marketing in the fifties.

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    2010 i got back in to mtb and bought a Specialized Stumpy FSR there were no 29ers anywhere over here (UK)....roll forward to beginning of last year, and 29ers seemed to be catching on with the odd LBS model sat in a lineup of 26ers, roll on to end of last year and one shop has mostly 29ers and some 650Bs.....i think its taken time for 29ers to catch on and gain some momentum.....i now own two 29ers and would happily buy another two over the current wheel size choices, my Stumpy hasnt been ridden since i bought them.

    I think that the markets just starting to really find its feet with 29ers take the Scotts,Treks and Santacruzs 130/135 travel and the USA based 155 travel Specialized with the super short chainstays, components such as strong and light wheelsets too eg Mavics are only 120gms different between 26 and 29 (Crossmax ST)......i still feel that 26" will become a bit more niche and 27.5 and 29 will become the dominant sizes.

    Obviously there will be so many 26ers out there that the components will keep them alive for years to come!

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    It is pretty clear that the market has moved completely away from 26. Trek, Specialized, Cannondale, and Giant won't be producing 26" wheeled bikes at the premium end of the trail and XC market in 24 months. There is just not enough demand. They all see this. Giant focusing on 27.5 is anticipatory, and might be a great move. I don't think it will be, but you never know. At least they are hedging and keeping 29ers around. All of those out there who don't like 29" as a concept, or didn't think it was cool, or didn't like it in application can basically now get a 26er that is a little bit better as far as rollover, but have a "cool" new wheel size that allows them to still say they didn't go 29er. I think they sell pretty well, but 29er stays dominant in trail and XC. I think for most the 29er will be a better solution, but the market doesn't always pick the better option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie View Post
    and is probably editorial input from Pinkbike who are anti 29" zealots.
    This is far from the mark. ~5 years ago, maybe. Many of their readers/posters are, but not the staff.

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    The statement is off-the-wall ridiculous... almost as ridiculous as taking anything on Pinkbike seriously.
    Actually, I think their front-page editorial content is much better than that here. Much better industry and trade show coverage, for one thing. And they have the best DH/Enduro race coverage on the web. It's their comment threads and forums where your brain goes to die. When I get burnt out on the threads here, I go over there for a while and it reminds me why I was here in the first place.

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    I'm well aware how long 650B has been around for (since, like, ever) and 29ers, and my point was, 29ers have had that "cult following" for what like 10 years now? And they've become super super mainstream in the past 3 years or so.

    650B has always been around, but seriously how many 650B tires existed before Pacenti started getting involved (relatively) recently?

    In terms of mainstream appeal, 650B got started with the hype wagon like a good 8 years after 29ers. The only reason we're seeing such a massive push in such a relatively shorter time frame compared to how long it took the 29er to get mainstream appeal, is that no company wants to miss the cash boat like a lot of them did with 29".
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    The 29er won't die. It's so woven into the fabric of nearly all XC Racing, amateur and pro.
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    So was the 26er, 10 years ago.

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    The 29er won't die. It's so woven into the fabric of nearly all XC Racing, amateur and pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    So was the 26er, 10 years ago.
    Yes, but I cannot see 650b as "the optimal wheel size." Over a 26" wheel - 650b feels like a 26er on....weak coffee. A 29er feels significantly different in all aspects over 26."
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    What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick VanHorn
    Giant’s 27.5-inch models combine the best attributes of both the 26-inch and 29-inch wheel sizes without any of the disadvantages.
    It's MAGICAL!!
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    Re: What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused

    650b will certainly take away sales from 29er.
    Diehard 29ers will continue buying them, but 650b will eventually catch up with 29 sales # and probably out sale them in 1-2 years. Here are the reasons:

    -26er riders will have to go to 650b willingly or unwillingly.

    -New riders will most likely pick 650b over 29. (it is a "new" thing after all and lot of stores will steer them towards it)

    -most of the Asian market will buy 650b for the obvious reason...

    -lot of current 29er riders will go to 650b (including me) for various reasons - not entirely comfortable on 29, seeking lighter, more agile, stiffer bike, just to mention few.

    -most of the women can be better fitted on 650b

    -lot of bike manufacturers will have to pick just one wheel size for economical reasons, and I believe most will pick 650b

    So there you have it. There will be fewer 29 choices in the future. They will not go away, there will still be a lot of 29" lovers, just the selection will be limited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HSracer View Post
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    Anyways here's what Giant is saying about wheel sizes
    "Can we expect to see 29 and 26-inch wheels eventually disappear in Giant's consumer-priced bikes in the near future?

    · 26-inch for sure, but 29-inch will be dependent on market feedback. That said, if the market progresses the way we believe it will, 29-inch will be phased out in approximately two years....again, totally dependent on market feedback."

    Taken from - 650B For Giant's 2014 Elite-Level Mountain Bikes - Pinkbike

    As someone who has been looking into 29ers for my next XC race bike this is a bit troublesome. I know they're just talking about the Giant line but I would guess that other bike makers have the same thought process.
    Will never happen. 29ers are here to stay

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