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    29ers will survive simply because there is a significant difference in how they roll.

    I test rode some new 27.5 bikes recently and just couldn't feel any differences from my FS26er.

    Rode the new 2013 Kona Satori and with 5 pedal rotations knew I'd buy it. Now that I have about 3 months on it, I can honestly say...it feels very much like my Giant Reign, but rolls so much better. The slack HA/short chain stays, shorty stem works very well for my rocky loose San Diego trails. Haven't touched the Reign since.
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    What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused

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    I test rode some new 27.5 bikes recently and just couldn't feel any differences from my FS26er.
    Weird response. It should either have felt slightly heavier and less nimble, or rolled and cornered slightly better - assuming you we're paying attention. Feeling nothing is illogical, captain

    More relevant to this thread is how heavy, flexy and clunky 29'er is compared to 650b
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    Giant always plays to the masses. They make their profit on trying to get the most people on one bike. They were pioneers in offering only 4 road bike sizes. They are trying to do the same with mountain tires. Find the middle ground, make more money.
    Other companies will continue to care what bike nerds want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    Weird response. It should either have felt slightly heavier and less nimble, or rolled and cornered slightly better - assuming you we're paying attention. Feeling nothing is illogical, captain

    What I did notice was the lighter weight compared to my fat Reign. Really no huge difference in handling... not enough to make me want to buy one. (think too much cross over). Only been riding mtn bikes for 25 years or so.

    More relevant to this thread is how heavy, flexy and clunky 29'er is compared to 650b
    The Satori is in no way flexy or clunky, it does weight the same as my Reign.
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    Re: What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused

    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    Weird response. It should either have felt slightly heavier and less nimble, or rolled and cornered slightly better - assuming you we're paying attention. Feeling nothing is illogical, captain

    More relevant to this thread is how heavy, flexy and clunky 29'er is compared to 650b
    Be careful. Do not forget, this is a 29er forum...

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    In agreement with one article I read on the subject, I think this all boils down to Giant being increasingly outpaced in the 29er market by better handling bikes, and the frame limitations of the maestro susp.

    On the subject of 27.5 - if you prefer 26ers for their handling, you should try a 650b, at least on the front. It's an incremental but noticeable change, without much downside, if any. If you love your 29er and think it handles perfect, then don't bother with 27.5, you'll be completely underwhelmed. It's all personal preference... as usual.

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    What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused

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    650b will [...] probably out sale them in 1-2 years.
    Putting aside the small-minded and racist(?) "reasons," I'm calling complete BS on this prediction and just plugged in a reminder to dig this thread up to call you in it.
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    Re: What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused

    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    Putting aside the small-minded and racist(?) "reasons," I'm calling complete BS on this prediction and just plugged in a reminder to dig this thread up to call you in it.
    Haha. I wouldn't expect anything less.

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    I should probably stop writing on this forum, as I am really bias, but why cannot all wheel sizes continue to be produced? Just because 26" is now the minority, why does that mean that the 650b (almost exactly like a 26" but worse), can take over.
    It would be like this in the real world: Now that whites are the minority in America, why do English speaking whites have to learn Spanish?
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    What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused

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    Be careful. Do not forget, this is a 29er forum...
    Oops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    I should probably stop writing on this forum, as I am really bias, but why cannot all wheel sizes continue to be produced? Just because 26" is now the minority, why does that mean that the 650b (almost exactly like a 26" but worse), can take over.
    It would be like this in the real world: Now that whites are the minority in America, why do English speaking whites have to learn Spanish?



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    Quote Originally Posted by mcteague View Post
    Santa Cruz will be buying Giant?
    Have you any clue how big Giant is? Their name alone should be a clue.

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    I know...There's a thread on the Diamondback Over Drive that needs another post, too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjsb View Post
    I know...There's a thread on the Diamondback Over Drive that needs another post, too...
    Sorry for being a smart arse with my prior post. In my original post I was trying to say something that would be similar in ultra-hype as the Giant claims...On a more serious note I don't view what Giant is doing as very risky at all. They make tons of bikes wholesale for everyone, they don't seem to have the store concept like S &Trek so there probably more likely to be going head to head on the showroom floor with smaller companies who are selling out 27.5"...There's probably more pressure or at least Giant may perceive more pressure to respond.

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    [QUOTE=d365;10573353]In agreement with one article I read on the subject, I think this all boils down to Giant being increasingly outpaced in the 29er market by better handling bikes, and the frame limitations of the maestro susp.

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    Without taking this thread in a completely different direction can i just add that MBR Magazine in the UK gave 5 out of 5 to the Giant Trance X29er in both 2 and 0 spec.

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    Giant can choose to "go away" & stay away for all I care.
    Corporate late-comers looking towards some new profit-driven niche.

    But so-called 29ers aren't going to disappear.
    With the exception of highly specific equipment, fundamentally: 700C is everywhere (road, touring, etc.).

    Even if rim & tire manus all disappeared tomorrow, there are enough tough components out there that can be adapted to the job for most people's needs:
    I have 700C Mavic 36H on XTs that have been going strong for 5 years. And Bruce Gordon only just re-launched the old Rock & Road tire in response to the "gravel grinder" thing.

    So I don't see any slow-down.
    And no future lack of components that would do the job for most people.

    Hell, if 29er is pronounced dead, just stock up when QBP empties its shelves & you're set for life.

    29er came from nowhere & was kickstarted by people who committed to buy small batches of the necessary equipment. That approach could now be repeated infinitely easier by a small group of 29er diehards.

    Giant? Ciao.

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    I don't get the Giant hate?

    Are people afraid that if Giant goes in a different direction, their beloved 29" bikes will all rot and disappear? Really, that is not going to happen. If 27.5" is Giant's business decision, than that is "their" decision. Frankly, I'm going to miss my 26" bikes but I never ranted because Niner decided not to build them. That was their business decision. Nor am I going to rant if the world turns to 27.5" bikes. Sh!t people, its the "ride" not the "ride" as has been said enough times by people more qualified to say such things than me. Adios! I'm heading to the shore and turning into a roadie and riding my 29" (700cc) bike for the next month 'cause there ain't no mountains or even respectable hills where I'll be. It will be interesting to see if this thread is still alive when I get back. I said earlier that I was interested in one 29" bike to replace my two 26" so I don't want them to go away either but if they do, they do, and I'll still have fun riding.

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    Easy to hate, and especially easy not to read

    That said, if the market progresses the way we believe it will, 29-inch will be phased out in approximately two years....again, totally dependent on market feedback."
    Like Giant will kill (our) beloved 29er wheels against our will in a free market. And their job is to make money, and they will push the 27.5 to bankruptcy. Right.

    They will produce 29er bikes as long as there is a market for them, those 29er molds and tubes will not go away anywhere.

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    The greatest free bike ad campaign ever.

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    If you read between the lines of their write up; Giant only said that they will be putting most of their focus and R&D development into the 27.5er size for most of their lineup. That means that they will pretty much stop all further development in the 26er size. That also means that they will not put much effort into developing the 29er size any further for now.

    This is most likely their business plan for the next 1 or 2 years. If things change in the market, they will certainly re-evaluate their business strategy.

    This does not by any means say that they will be completely abandoning their 29er product lines and all the profits associated with them. It only means that they will not be further developing these products for now.

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    What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused

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    Guerrilla marketing?
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    [QUOTE=Andrewfuzzy;10575062]
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    In agreement with one article I read on the subject, I think this all boils down to Giant being increasingly outpaced in the 29er market by better handling bikes, and the frame limitations of the maestro susp.

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    Without taking this thread in a completely different direction can i just add that MBR Magazine in the UK gave 5 out of 5 to the Giant Trance X29er in both 2 and 0 spec.
    And What Mountain Bike gave high marks to the Anthem x 29er 1 for Trail Bike of the Year for 2013.

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    Aren't Europe and Asia Giant's biggest markets? I know Europe is Shimano's biggest market, and 29ers really haven't taken off there yet, compared to North America.

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    As long as 700c exists - 29er will be around too.
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    What's happening with the 29er market!? So confused

    Quote Originally Posted by Varaxis View Post
    I know Europe is Shimano's biggest market, and 29ers really haven't taken off there yet, compared to North America.
    "Compared to N. America" is at once the operative phrase and sort of silly. The EU and US are two different places and equating them in terms of consumer markets is meaningless.
    That said, 29ers have taken off in Europe in the past couple if years, much more quickly than they did in the US, time-wise.
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    Giant 27.5 coming to a Walmart near you

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