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    Voodoo Canzo 29er: So what do you get for $750

    OK - since I built my RIP9 my EMD9 was just sitting, so I decided to sell the frame and build a full suspension 29er for my son with the components. I was searching for a used frame until I ran across the Voodoo Canzo. For $765.00 delivered here's what I got :
























    Yes, there's more than enough room for Nevegal 2.2's and the Reba fork clears the frame with room to spare, I don't use the Poploc but it should be fine. I probably would not have ordered the green frame but that's the only option - but I REALLY like the color.

    I'll give a ride report in a week or so. Thanks for looking.
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    Finally some decent photos of a Canzo. Eager to hear what you think of it.

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    That looks awesome

    What size frame is it?

    I would really like to hear how it rides as well. That is about as good a deal on a FS 29 I have ever seen.

    Have fun with that!!!!
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    where did you get it at?

    That sounds like a killer price

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    great looking build. looking forward to the ride report.

    may i ask where you got it?

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    It's a medium frame (18"), I would have ordered a 20" for myself to get a longer top tube - but the 23 1/4" effective toptube is the same as my son's 19" Jamis XLT 26er it replaces. The bottom bracket heighth is 13.5" with the Nevegals and the headtube is 110mm - the large is 130mm and I only had enough steerer tube on my Reba for about 100mm (I don't like spacers under my stem). It has 4" travel front and rear. All the parts from the Niner fit this frame.

    I got the frame from Bitterbrush Cycles - they run a 10% off add in the mtbr classifieds with free shipping (and no tax outside Colorado). I got my RIP9 frame, Canzo frame and WB F135 fork from them. They've been great - email Glenn and tell him Bob from Kentucky sent you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    I got the frame from Bitterbrush Cycles - they run a 10% off add in the mtbr classifieds with free shipping (and no tax outside Colorado). I got my RIP9 frame, Canzo frame and WB F135 fork from them. They've been great - email Glenn and tell him Bob from Kentucky sent you.
    Do they still carry Voodoo? I didn't see any listed on their site ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by reklar
    Do they still carry Voodoo? I didn't see any listed on their site ...
    Yes, email them from their website (or call them) and tell them what you want and that you want to use the 10% off and free shipping coupon from mtbr. They'll email you back fairly quickly. My frame arrived in less than two weeks. They've been very easy to deal with.
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    That is a nice looking bike and, indeed some great pictures. Perhaps a little off-topic but, what camera did you use for these pictures BWG?

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    Nice looking bike and , very nice thing you did for your Son Definitely let us know how it rides and what he thinks of it. That's a great price for any kind of FS frame 29er or 26er, definitely one I'll keep in mind when people are asking about getting into FS - with a Deore/LX build kit you could easily build it under 2k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rnhood
    That is a nice looking bike and, indeed some great pictures. Perhaps a little off-topic but, what camera did you use for these pictures BWG?
    Thanks, that's a little Canon Powershot SD 800 IS - you can carry it in your shirt pocket. The pictures were taken on Auto mode - it's pretty foolproof - which is what I need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    Nice looking bike and , very nice thing you did for your Son Definitely let us know how it rides and what he thinks of it. That's a great price for any kind of FS frame 29er or 26er, definitely one I'll keep in mind when people are asking about getting into FS - with a Deore/LX build kit you could easily build it under 2k.
    Thanks, the Canzo is definately the budget FS 29er - and honestly in person the frame looks just about as good as many other foreign-built frames - some costing twice as much. I really like the Rockshox MC 3.3 shock too - it's real short with an wide-bodied air chamber that doesn't take up much room. It has an adjustable air spring, floodgate platform, and rebound with a 3-position lever for wide-open/floodgate/full lockout.

    My son's 15 and he's a really good kid. He's very busy with highschool football and wrestling and school of course, so he doesn't get to ride alot. But he and his buddies like to x-train on mountainbikes and blow off some steam when they can. With my hardtail 29er just sitting there I wanted to build a FS bike to get him in on the big wheels too. Our last 26er is for sale now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    Our last 26er is for sale now.
    I love hearing that! Goes to show that 29ers are the real deal and not just some fad. I sold my last 26er in the spring.

    Thanks for the pictures!
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    Canzo is a great in to FS

    I picked up a Canzo at the beginning of the month and have been rding it about 5 days a week to get in dialed in. This past weekend I completed a 50 mile mtn bike race on it. The bike handled great. I have a Niner sir9 (hardtail) and was looking for full suspension bike to use on the longer rides and was looking for 4" of travel and less. this frame fits the bill. It took a few rides to finally get the rear shock dialed in, but once it was it rode great. I usually run the rear shock in the propedal position and have had no issues with getting out of the sadlle to climb up short steep sections. Currently I have a reba on the front, but might change to a white brothers fluid 110.

    If you are looking at options on where to buy checkout Bike29.com. George can help you out. He is a 29er specific dealer.

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    FIRST RIDE REPORT - Canzo 29er

    I took the bike out and rode a 14 mile loop I usually ride on my RIP9 to get a feel for the Canzo. So far I'm very impressed with it. It's exactly what I expected, that is it rides somewhere between a 3" XC FS bike and a 5" AM FS bike - which is good. It's much more comfy than my previous 29" hardtail, but more firm and not as plush as my RIP ( obviously).

    Ride reports are very subjective, and I've only ridden it once.

    - Very predictable handling with 100mm fork, quicker steering than RIP with 135mm fork.
    - Very quiet,solid ride. No noise from rear end - assymetrical chainstays with lowered driveside stay prevents chainslap.
    - No flex noted from rear tiangle so far.
    - The rear Rockshox shock matches the Reba fork very well - they both have adjustable air springs/rebound/floodgate and lockout. If you like your Reba you'll like this shock.
    - I never fealt like the rear was even close to bottoming.
    - Jumps very well and straight with quick lift-off of jump face.
    - Climbed well and I cleared all climbs and obstacles I usually do. Seems slower on climbs though (not sure why) and not quite as compliant climbing over roots as RIP.
    - Seemed slower on downhills than RIP (not sure why) but much better than 26er.

    In all fairness I'm comparing it to an EXCELLENT bike. If you didn't know how much the Canzo cost you probably wouldn't guess it's a budget bike. Hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    I took the bike out and rode a 14 mile loop I usually ride on my RIP9 to get a feel for the Canzo. So far I'm very impressed with it. It's exactly what I expected, that is it rides somewhere between a 3" XC FS bike and a 5" AM FS bike - which is good. It's much more comfy than my previous 29" hardtail, but more firm and not as plush as my RIP ( obviously).

    Ride reports are very subjective, and I've only ridden it once.

    - Very predictable handling with 100mm fork (quicker than RIP with 135mm fork).
    - Very quiet,solid ride. No noise from rear end - assymetrical chainstays with lowered driveside stay prevents chainslap.
    - No flex noted from rear tiangle so far.
    - The rear Rockshox shock matches the Reba fork very well - they both have adjustable air springs/rebound/floodgate and lockout. If you like your Reba you'll like this shock.
    - I never fealt like the rear was even close to bottoming.
    - Jumps very well and straight with quick lift-off of jump face.
    - Climbed well and I cleared all climbs and obstacles I usually do. Seems slower on climbs though (not sure why) and not quite as compliant climbing over roots as RIP.
    - Seemed slower on downhills than RIP (not sure why) but much better than 26er.

    In all fairness I'm comparing it to an EXCELLENT bike. If you didn't know how much the Canzo cost you probably wouldn't guess it's a budget bike. Hope this helps.
    I have a Canzo and like it a lot.
    In comparing to your RIP with a 135 WB fork vs. a Reba at 100, I would think the RIP would be more capable on the descents just based on the fork difference.

    I think you mentioned earlier that you run ithe Canzo in the propedal mode. If you want more compliance then you need to switch to full plush mode. Also it you are not getting full travel you might want to let some air out. I weigh around 140 and run less than 50 pounds in the rear shock.

    I agree that the frame and rear end are plenty stiff side to side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    I have a Canzo and like it a lot.
    In comparing to your RIP with a 135 WB fork vs. a Reba at 100, I would think the RIP would be more capable on the descents just based on the fork difference.

    I think you mentioned earlier that you run ithe Canzo in the propedal mode. If you want more compliance then you need to switch to full plush mode. Also it you are not getting full travel you might want to let some air out. I weigh around 140 and run less than 50 pounds in the rear shock.

    I agree that the frame and rear end are plenty stiff side to side.
    I really like it too. I ran the shock wide open. When I say it never fealt like it came close to bottoming that's a good thing - and that's using full travel.

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    Nice report BWG, I like those MC3 shocks myself and was looking at one for my Trance before I moved on up to big wheels. With the handling remember that you're also on a smaller bike than your RIP so it should feel a bit more "flickable" due it size, not to mention the shorter fork. Seems to me like this is a very decent budget frame and well worth the measly $750 you paid for it - I really think your son will enjoy it and maybe even start biking more as it should be more "Fun".
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    Here is a write up I did in the K2 forum reference the RS MC 3.3. Take it for what it's worth. It's a great shock with lots of adjustability.

    The MC3 setup
    Ok - lots of adjustment on this thing. First check - dropped about 5psi out back - I don't mention PSI numbers b/c we all weigh different and sag is what you should be using to drive your PSI. I'm a bit over 25% on the rear shock as well know. Second adjustment, rebound. There are 38 clicks on the rebound knob and Rock Shox has made it pretty simple with the rabbit/turtle diagram. I set rebound (red dial) right in the middle - 19 click from the turtle. I had previously had it much higher but noticed significant kickback (my camelbak hitting my helmet) on the rooty terrain here in Alabama. Third adjustment is the floodgate (gold knob). There are 18 clicks for the floodgate - the + symbol being max floodgate control, the - symbol being minimum floodgate control. I set my floodgate at four clicks from minimum (-). Because I have the MC3.3 - I also had to flip the lever to the middle position.

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    Outstanding feel and control today. No kickback, soaked up roots and small drops like they were non-existent and cornered like a cat with claws climbing the curtains. I was able to attack some sections that previously, I could not due to my previous setup. Comfort was superb on the fast speed hits, as I suspected, I gave up a little low speed compression by applying the 'platform' capability but the improvements in handling and high speed dampening performance far outweigh the loss.
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    i just ordered one .what size derailur & seat clamp does it need?also i hope you dont
    mind i put your pics on my background

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    Quote Originally Posted by fixgeardan
    i just ordered one .what size derailur & seat clamp does it need?also i hope you dont
    mind i put your pics on my background
    It takes a 34.9 front derailer, a 34.9 or 35 (depending on brand) seatpost collar, and a 31.6 seatpost - I use a 400mm length.

    I'm honored to have my pic as your background.

    I know you'll like it! Where'd you order it from?

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    BTI through my local shop.Did the frame come with that seat clamp in the first pic?im very
    excited should have ot next week.How easy is the front to lift & what size stem is that.
    thanks so much for all the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fixgeardan
    BTI through my local shop.Did the frame come with that seat clamp in the first pic?im very
    excited should have ot next week.How easy is the front to lift & what size stem is that.
    thanks so much for all the info.

    Frame comes with a seat clamp but not a quick release one.

    Front end does not lift easy compared to my 26er FS bike. I actually prefer it that way. I think it helps the bike track better in the corners.

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    wow! what a killer bang for the buck! The only frame that may give it a run for its money will be the new KHS with the whorest link

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    I just switched the 90mm stem in the pics to a 100 and the flat bar to a riser - I've gotten used to a riser on my RIP and that's what my son is used to. I fealt too much weight on my hands with the flat bar - the riser should take care of that and make the front easier to loft too.

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    Very impressive for the price. Since you also ride the RIP, any thoughts on the degree of flex in the back half of the frame? One thing I worry about on the other inexpensive FS I was looking at (Astrix Monk) is flex like my Prophet has. Looks like the Canzo would be pretty stiff.

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    The only flex I notice on the RIP after having it awhile is when powering up steep climbs requiring alot of torque - and what I notice is a creaking sound from the linkages/bearings. The chain tension is flexing the rear triangle SLIGHTLY towards the drive side. There is none of this on the Canzo so far. So really the Canzo seems less flexy - which I hate to admit. But it's also alot less plush.

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    Any idea what the frame weighs? I've heard wildly differing numbers...

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    I just picked mine up a month ago. My only previous FS bike was an Elsworth Truth. The Conzo has a lot stiffer back half than the Ellsworth. Now that I have it dialed in the bike climbs great and it plush enough for my liking on the downhill. I am more of a XC rider so I might have the rear shock set a little stiffer than most like. Good frame for the price.

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    BWG, this squeak you noticed, was it from the get go or only after you had the bike for a while? I ask as I had a noise squeak/click I was getting and I took everything apart and checked the bearings, to find a load of crap in them and not a lot of grease - actually had to work the drive side bearings free and clean all out and re-grease. With the suspension linkage going under the BB it runs very low and is very sacceptable {sp?} to getting drenched before the BB.

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    The only flex I notice on the RIP after having it awhile is when powering up steep climbs requiring alot of torque - and what I notice is a creaking sound from the linkages/bearings. The chain tension is flexing the rear triangle SLIGHTLY towards the drive side. There is none of this on the Canzo so far. So really the Canzo seems less flexy - which I hate to admit. But it's also alot less plush.
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    here I am, waffling between an AIR9 and an EMD9, and you have to go and throw a FS frame at me, one that happens to cost the same as the AIR9.
    curse you!

    nah, I'm not mad, the canzo looks sweet, but since I'm lookin for something to XC, you aren't complicating my life too much...

    thread needs some pictures involving mud!

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    Follow-up Ride Report

    My son and I have both ridden the Canzo 29er several times.

    My thoughts:

    -quick, predictable steering.
    -very quiet (no noise from chain/rear end).
    -No flex noted.
    -Using all 4" of front + rear suspension without bottoming.
    -Enough suspension to handle medium hits,jumps,logs,rocks.
    -Fun to ride.
    -Good on tight trails.
    -Initial "slowness" I noticed while climbing/decending seems to be due to the Canzo's Nevegals verses the Rampages on my RIP9. I found with a little more air in the Nevegals the rolling resistance is less. Seems faster now - but I've also got the suspension and cockpit dialed in now (Longer stem,riser bar,seat a little further forward for climbing).

    My son's thoughts:

    -Alot faster than my old bike (5" FS 26er-very plush but heavy with slack steering ).
    -Rolls over everything alot easier.
    -I'm making technical climbs I never made before.

    The fact that he's been riding every weekend since he got it says alot too.

    Overall, if you want a really nice full suspension 29er at the cost of a quality hardtail - I don't think you can go wrong with the Canzo. I have no regrets about buying this bike.
    I'll let you all know how the bearings and linkage holds up after 6 months or so of winter riding.

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    This is exciting!! I didn't think a f/s 29r could be had for under $1200.

    Good luck with the bike and please keep us up to date on the likes and dislikes.

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    The rear end

    I own Kona King Kikapu for many years and I got to say the rear of that Canzo is a dead ringer for the rear of the Kona. Something to think about. Fwiw my Kona rides real well and treated me fine.

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    I think that statement says it all We'll keep a look out for long term reports on construction of this, what seems to be the hands down cheapest way to get into a 29er. Is your Son a somewhat masher, that likes to slowly turn over a gear as he climbs or spins like a hamster? I found that the 29ers ability to roll over stuff at slow speed really suits my riding style of slowly crawling up climbs and carefully picking my line.

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    My son and I have both ridden the Canzo 29er several times.

    My thoughts:......................................... ....
    My son's thoughts:

    -Alot faster than my old bike (5" FS 26er-very plush but heavy with slack steering ).
    -Rolls over everything alot easier.
    -I'm making technical climbs I never made before.

    The fact that he's been riding every weekend since he got it says alot too................................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Any idea what the frame weighs? I've heard wildly differing numbers...
    med is 6.2lbs on ultimate scale,i was very immpressed .ill do a real
    reveiw with pics soon.so far with three rides on it im in love with this bike.

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    ... and if we just ...

    Way too much good stuff and enthusiasm for this bike here.

    Ok, I just ordered on from my LBS; not quite as low priced as I can get it off the 'Net, and I will pay sales tax. It helps to have one of the largest nationwide dealers as my LBS, and stop in with a few brews when I'm shopping or need quick installs with the tools I do not have.

    It will be here in about 10-14 days. Now I need to sell a ton of kiddie wheels stuff.

    I was too stocked after my first 2000' climb after being off the dirt for 9 months; I plead temporary insanity, yeah, that's it........
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    I'm all for LBS's, but i've never connected enough with one in particular to give them all my business. Half the fun of mountainbiking to me is researching in magazines and on the net and then hunting down a good deal and getting EXACTLY what I want without compromise. And then I get the joy of building something with all the parts. I can't say enough good things about Bitterbrush Cyles (In Colorado) and the excellent customer service they've provided to me (In Kentucky).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    I'm all for LBS's, but i've never connected enough with one in particular to give them all my business. Half the fun of mountainbiking to me is researching in magazines and on the net and then hunting down a good deal and getting EXACTLY what I want without compromise. And then I get the joy of building something with all the parts. I can't say enough good things about Bitterbrush Cyles (In Colorado) and the excellent customer service they've provided to me (In Kentucky).
    I hear ya! I dream and google and geek way more than is healthy.

    This frame is going to cost me $90 more, with the sales tax, than from Bitterbrush. I have saved far, far more than that in free work, like headset / BB installs, facing BB and head tubes, troubleshooting some creaky crank nightmares, ad nauseum. It works out in the end. And this is one of the big guns in the MTB retail business - their ad is on the MTBR front page.

    They know that I get better deals sometimes, and don't get pissy about it, so I buy from them when I can; it works for both of us. When I show up with a problem item, and a six pack, I get service in minutes and not days.

    This is worth the dinero this time. I've bought three other bikes that they beat other prices I had researched.
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    What size/type front derailleur are you guys using? I've orderd a canzo and trying to make sure I've got enough parts to build up when it arrives. Looks like a bottom swing/high mount in BWGs pics. The shock mount makes it pretty close. Will a top swing/low mount go under the shock mount if you're only running a 2 ring + bashguard setup? Any particular models NOT fit?

    Thanks!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdubovsky
    What size/type front derailleur are you guys using? I've orderd a canzo and trying to make sure I've got enough parts to build up when it arrives. Looks like a bottom swing/high mount in BWGs pics. The shock mount makes it pretty close. Will a top swing/low mount go under the shock mount if you're only running a 2 ring + bashguard setup? Any particular models NOT fit?

    Thanks!!
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    I'm running a 2-ring + Bashguard with an XT bottom-swing - I held up a LX topswing and it looks like it would work - not sure though.

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    Got me a canzo 29er and really like it so far. Thanks to BWG and others for the great reviews. I was curious how much sag are you running? Also has anyone noticed imperfections in the frame? On my downtube there are several dents. You don't notice them until you run your fingers along the frame. One if very large and I'm worried it will only get worse overtime. It was packed well and it doesn't have scratches so I don't think it happened during shipping.
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    anybody know which design is for 08? complete bike pic is from interbike gallery
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    i like the interbike linkage more better. the other reminds me of a Kona design which to me is astetically bad or should i say more bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil hillbilly
    anybody know which design is for 08? complete bike pic is from interbike gallery
    I think the interbike pic is the orig prototype. Never seen one of those for sale. Check out the blog from the voodoo guys back in 2006.
    http://www.voodoocycles.net/blog/?p=17

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    The prototype I saw had a lower linkage, a solid rear triangle,a shorter upper rocker and an upside down shock as seen in Voodoo's blog in the previous post.

    I didn't have any frame imperfections.

    I'm running 25% sag (25% of 1.5 ").
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    Quote Originally Posted by lil hillbilly
    anybody know which design is for 08? complete bike pic is from interbike gallery

    I got this Email from John Benson when I inquired about changes for 2008.

    "Yes to everything but color. It will have a longer TT and HT, larger
    diameter TT and improved more rigid suspension. Also it will use the new
    Rock Shox Monarch shock that is valved for the suspension to avoid
    over-damping on compression."

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExhaustPipe
    I got this Email from John Benson when I inquired about changes for 2008.

    "Yes to everything but color. It will have a longer TT and HT, larger
    diameter TT and improved more rigid suspension. Also it will use the new
    Rock Shox Monarch shock that is valved for the suspension to avoid
    over-damping on compression."

    Thanks,

    John

    Color will still be green.
    Dang! Why didn't you post this a week sooner?

    I just ordered the last 20" from BTI through my LBS.

    Ah well, given the great reviews from BWG and others, I am confident that I will be happy with it. I'm a fan of longer stems on quicker handling bikes, and it sounds like the current short TT (about 3cm less than my Inbred) on the Canzo will let me do this.

    This will be my first boinger bike after about 2 years of full rigid riding, I'm sure I will love it. If not, I'm blaming you now.
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    Dang! Dang! Dang!

    Walked into the LBS this morning to grab some GU02, and Tim goes, "Hey, look at that box at the top steps."

    My frame! Too soon. Too soon. Fork is in transit. Hubs and rims on order to build wheels. I did not expect them to get it until early next week.

    Oh the pain and suffering and anticipation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    My frame! Too soon.
    Hehehe. Mine came in today too The green looks lighter than BWGs (the lighting is different). I have the fork (minute 120) but have to rebuild the wheel from a QR to TA hub tonight. Depending on how long that takes I might be able to ride it this weekend.

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