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    Voodoo Canzo 29er: So what do you get for $750

    OK - since I built my RIP9 my EMD9 was just sitting, so I decided to sell the frame and build a full suspension 29er for my son with the components. I was searching for a used frame until I ran across the Voodoo Canzo. For $765.00 delivered here's what I got :
























    Yes, there's more than enough room for Nevegal 2.2's and the Reba fork clears the frame with room to spare, I don't use the Poploc but it should be fine. I probably would not have ordered the green frame but that's the only option - but I REALLY like the color.

    I'll give a ride report in a week or so. Thanks for looking.
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    Finally some decent photos of a Canzo. Eager to hear what you think of it.

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    That looks awesome

    What size frame is it?

    I would really like to hear how it rides as well. That is about as good a deal on a FS 29 I have ever seen.

    Have fun with that!!!!
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    where did you get it at?

    That sounds like a killer price

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    great looking build. looking forward to the ride report.

    may i ask where you got it?

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    It's a medium frame (18"), I would have ordered a 20" for myself to get a longer top tube - but the 23 1/4" effective toptube is the same as my son's 19" Jamis XLT 26er it replaces. The bottom bracket heighth is 13.5" with the Nevegals and the headtube is 110mm - the large is 130mm and I only had enough steerer tube on my Reba for about 100mm (I don't like spacers under my stem). It has 4" travel front and rear. All the parts from the Niner fit this frame.

    I got the frame from Bitterbrush Cycles - they run a 10% off add in the mtbr classifieds with free shipping (and no tax outside Colorado). I got my RIP9 frame, Canzo frame and WB F135 fork from them. They've been great - email Glenn and tell him Bob from Kentucky sent you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    I got the frame from Bitterbrush Cycles - they run a 10% off add in the mtbr classifieds with free shipping (and no tax outside Colorado). I got my RIP9 frame, Canzo frame and WB F135 fork from them. They've been great - email Glenn and tell him Bob from Kentucky sent you.
    Do they still carry Voodoo? I didn't see any listed on their site ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by reklar
    Do they still carry Voodoo? I didn't see any listed on their site ...
    Yes, email them from their website (or call them) and tell them what you want and that you want to use the 10% off and free shipping coupon from mtbr. They'll email you back fairly quickly. My frame arrived in less than two weeks. They've been very easy to deal with.
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    That is a nice looking bike and, indeed some great pictures. Perhaps a little off-topic but, what camera did you use for these pictures BWG?

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    Nice looking bike and , very nice thing you did for your Son Definitely let us know how it rides and what he thinks of it. That's a great price for any kind of FS frame 29er or 26er, definitely one I'll keep in mind when people are asking about getting into FS - with a Deore/LX build kit you could easily build it under 2k.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rnhood
    That is a nice looking bike and, indeed some great pictures. Perhaps a little off-topic but, what camera did you use for these pictures BWG?
    Thanks, that's a little Canon Powershot SD 800 IS - you can carry it in your shirt pocket. The pictures were taken on Auto mode - it's pretty foolproof - which is what I need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    Nice looking bike and , very nice thing you did for your Son Definitely let us know how it rides and what he thinks of it. That's a great price for any kind of FS frame 29er or 26er, definitely one I'll keep in mind when people are asking about getting into FS - with a Deore/LX build kit you could easily build it under 2k.
    Thanks, the Canzo is definately the budget FS 29er - and honestly in person the frame looks just about as good as many other foreign-built frames - some costing twice as much. I really like the Rockshox MC 3.3 shock too - it's real short with an wide-bodied air chamber that doesn't take up much room. It has an adjustable air spring, floodgate platform, and rebound with a 3-position lever for wide-open/floodgate/full lockout.

    My son's 15 and he's a really good kid. He's very busy with highschool football and wrestling and school of course, so he doesn't get to ride alot. But he and his buddies like to x-train on mountainbikes and blow off some steam when they can. With my hardtail 29er just sitting there I wanted to build a FS bike to get him in on the big wheels too. Our last 26er is for sale now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    Our last 26er is for sale now.
    I love hearing that! Goes to show that 29ers are the real deal and not just some fad. I sold my last 26er in the spring.

    Thanks for the pictures!
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    Canzo is a great in to FS

    I picked up a Canzo at the beginning of the month and have been rding it about 5 days a week to get in dialed in. This past weekend I completed a 50 mile mtn bike race on it. The bike handled great. I have a Niner sir9 (hardtail) and was looking for full suspension bike to use on the longer rides and was looking for 4" of travel and less. this frame fits the bill. It took a few rides to finally get the rear shock dialed in, but once it was it rode great. I usually run the rear shock in the propedal position and have had no issues with getting out of the sadlle to climb up short steep sections. Currently I have a reba on the front, but might change to a white brothers fluid 110.

    If you are looking at options on where to buy checkout Bike29.com. George can help you out. He is a 29er specific dealer.

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    FIRST RIDE REPORT - Canzo 29er

    I took the bike out and rode a 14 mile loop I usually ride on my RIP9 to get a feel for the Canzo. So far I'm very impressed with it. It's exactly what I expected, that is it rides somewhere between a 3" XC FS bike and a 5" AM FS bike - which is good. It's much more comfy than my previous 29" hardtail, but more firm and not as plush as my RIP ( obviously).

    Ride reports are very subjective, and I've only ridden it once.

    - Very predictable handling with 100mm fork, quicker steering than RIP with 135mm fork.
    - Very quiet,solid ride. No noise from rear end - assymetrical chainstays with lowered driveside stay prevents chainslap.
    - No flex noted from rear tiangle so far.
    - The rear Rockshox shock matches the Reba fork very well - they both have adjustable air springs/rebound/floodgate and lockout. If you like your Reba you'll like this shock.
    - I never fealt like the rear was even close to bottoming.
    - Jumps very well and straight with quick lift-off of jump face.
    - Climbed well and I cleared all climbs and obstacles I usually do. Seems slower on climbs though (not sure why) and not quite as compliant climbing over roots as RIP.
    - Seemed slower on downhills than RIP (not sure why) but much better than 26er.

    In all fairness I'm comparing it to an EXCELLENT bike. If you didn't know how much the Canzo cost you probably wouldn't guess it's a budget bike. Hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    I took the bike out and rode a 14 mile loop I usually ride on my RIP9 to get a feel for the Canzo. So far I'm very impressed with it. It's exactly what I expected, that is it rides somewhere between a 3" XC FS bike and a 5" AM FS bike - which is good. It's much more comfy than my previous 29" hardtail, but more firm and not as plush as my RIP ( obviously).

    Ride reports are very subjective, and I've only ridden it once.

    - Very predictable handling with 100mm fork (quicker than RIP with 135mm fork).
    - Very quiet,solid ride. No noise from rear end - assymetrical chainstays with lowered driveside stay prevents chainslap.
    - No flex noted from rear tiangle so far.
    - The rear Rockshox shock matches the Reba fork very well - they both have adjustable air springs/rebound/floodgate and lockout. If you like your Reba you'll like this shock.
    - I never fealt like the rear was even close to bottoming.
    - Jumps very well and straight with quick lift-off of jump face.
    - Climbed well and I cleared all climbs and obstacles I usually do. Seems slower on climbs though (not sure why) and not quite as compliant climbing over roots as RIP.
    - Seemed slower on downhills than RIP (not sure why) but much better than 26er.

    In all fairness I'm comparing it to an EXCELLENT bike. If you didn't know how much the Canzo cost you probably wouldn't guess it's a budget bike. Hope this helps.
    I have a Canzo and like it a lot.
    In comparing to your RIP with a 135 WB fork vs. a Reba at 100, I would think the RIP would be more capable on the descents just based on the fork difference.

    I think you mentioned earlier that you run ithe Canzo in the propedal mode. If you want more compliance then you need to switch to full plush mode. Also it you are not getting full travel you might want to let some air out. I weigh around 140 and run less than 50 pounds in the rear shock.

    I agree that the frame and rear end are plenty stiff side to side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf
    I have a Canzo and like it a lot.
    In comparing to your RIP with a 135 WB fork vs. a Reba at 100, I would think the RIP would be more capable on the descents just based on the fork difference.

    I think you mentioned earlier that you run ithe Canzo in the propedal mode. If you want more compliance then you need to switch to full plush mode. Also it you are not getting full travel you might want to let some air out. I weigh around 140 and run less than 50 pounds in the rear shock.

    I agree that the frame and rear end are plenty stiff side to side.
    I really like it too. I ran the shock wide open. When I say it never fealt like it came close to bottoming that's a good thing - and that's using full travel.

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    Nice report BWG, I like those MC3 shocks myself and was looking at one for my Trance before I moved on up to big wheels. With the handling remember that you're also on a smaller bike than your RIP so it should feel a bit more "flickable" due it size, not to mention the shorter fork. Seems to me like this is a very decent budget frame and well worth the measly $750 you paid for it - I really think your son will enjoy it and maybe even start biking more as it should be more "Fun".
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    Here is a write up I did in the K2 forum reference the RS MC 3.3. Take it for what it's worth. It's a great shock with lots of adjustability.

    The MC3 setup
    Ok - lots of adjustment on this thing. First check - dropped about 5psi out back - I don't mention PSI numbers b/c we all weigh different and sag is what you should be using to drive your PSI. I'm a bit over 25% on the rear shock as well know. Second adjustment, rebound. There are 38 clicks on the rebound knob and Rock Shox has made it pretty simple with the rabbit/turtle diagram. I set rebound (red dial) right in the middle - 19 click from the turtle. I had previously had it much higher but noticed significant kickback (my camelbak hitting my helmet) on the rooty terrain here in Alabama. Third adjustment is the floodgate (gold knob). There are 18 clicks for the floodgate - the + symbol being max floodgate control, the - symbol being minimum floodgate control. I set my floodgate at four clicks from minimum (-). Because I have the MC3.3 - I also had to flip the lever to the middle position.

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    Outstanding feel and control today. No kickback, soaked up roots and small drops like they were non-existent and cornered like a cat with claws climbing the curtains. I was able to attack some sections that previously, I could not due to my previous setup. Comfort was superb on the fast speed hits, as I suspected, I gave up a little low speed compression by applying the 'platform' capability but the improvements in handling and high speed dampening performance far outweigh the loss.
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    i just ordered one .what size derailur & seat clamp does it need?also i hope you dont
    mind i put your pics on my background

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    Quote Originally Posted by fixgeardan
    i just ordered one .what size derailur & seat clamp does it need?also i hope you dont
    mind i put your pics on my background
    It takes a 34.9 front derailer, a 34.9 or 35 (depending on brand) seatpost collar, and a 31.6 seatpost - I use a 400mm length.

    I'm honored to have my pic as your background.

    I know you'll like it! Where'd you order it from?

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    BTI through my local shop.Did the frame come with that seat clamp in the first pic?im very
    excited should have ot next week.How easy is the front to lift & what size stem is that.
    thanks so much for all the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fixgeardan
    BTI through my local shop.Did the frame come with that seat clamp in the first pic?im very
    excited should have ot next week.How easy is the front to lift & what size stem is that.
    thanks so much for all the info.

    Frame comes with a seat clamp but not a quick release one.

    Front end does not lift easy compared to my 26er FS bike. I actually prefer it that way. I think it helps the bike track better in the corners.

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    wow! what a killer bang for the buck! The only frame that may give it a run for its money will be the new KHS with the whorest link

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    I just switched the 90mm stem in the pics to a 100 and the flat bar to a riser - I've gotten used to a riser on my RIP and that's what my son is used to. I fealt too much weight on my hands with the flat bar - the riser should take care of that and make the front easier to loft too.

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    Very impressive for the price. Since you also ride the RIP, any thoughts on the degree of flex in the back half of the frame? One thing I worry about on the other inexpensive FS I was looking at (Astrix Monk) is flex like my Prophet has. Looks like the Canzo would be pretty stiff.

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    The only flex I notice on the RIP after having it awhile is when powering up steep climbs requiring alot of torque - and what I notice is a creaking sound from the linkages/bearings. The chain tension is flexing the rear triangle SLIGHTLY towards the drive side. There is none of this on the Canzo so far. So really the Canzo seems less flexy - which I hate to admit. But it's also alot less plush.

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    Any idea what the frame weighs? I've heard wildly differing numbers...

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    I just picked mine up a month ago. My only previous FS bike was an Elsworth Truth. The Conzo has a lot stiffer back half than the Ellsworth. Now that I have it dialed in the bike climbs great and it plush enough for my liking on the downhill. I am more of a XC rider so I might have the rear shock set a little stiffer than most like. Good frame for the price.

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    BWG, this squeak you noticed, was it from the get go or only after you had the bike for a while? I ask as I had a noise squeak/click I was getting and I took everything apart and checked the bearings, to find a load of crap in them and not a lot of grease - actually had to work the drive side bearings free and clean all out and re-grease. With the suspension linkage going under the BB it runs very low and is very sacceptable {sp?} to getting drenched before the BB.

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    The only flex I notice on the RIP after having it awhile is when powering up steep climbs requiring alot of torque - and what I notice is a creaking sound from the linkages/bearings. The chain tension is flexing the rear triangle SLIGHTLY towards the drive side. There is none of this on the Canzo so far. So really the Canzo seems less flexy - which I hate to admit. But it's also alot less plush.
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    here I am, waffling between an AIR9 and an EMD9, and you have to go and throw a FS frame at me, one that happens to cost the same as the AIR9.
    curse you!

    nah, I'm not mad, the canzo looks sweet, but since I'm lookin for something to XC, you aren't complicating my life too much...

    thread needs some pictures involving mud!

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    Follow-up Ride Report

    My son and I have both ridden the Canzo 29er several times.

    My thoughts:

    -quick, predictable steering.
    -very quiet (no noise from chain/rear end).
    -No flex noted.
    -Using all 4" of front + rear suspension without bottoming.
    -Enough suspension to handle medium hits,jumps,logs,rocks.
    -Fun to ride.
    -Good on tight trails.
    -Initial "slowness" I noticed while climbing/decending seems to be due to the Canzo's Nevegals verses the Rampages on my RIP9. I found with a little more air in the Nevegals the rolling resistance is less. Seems faster now - but I've also got the suspension and cockpit dialed in now (Longer stem,riser bar,seat a little further forward for climbing).

    My son's thoughts:

    -Alot faster than my old bike (5" FS 26er-very plush but heavy with slack steering ).
    -Rolls over everything alot easier.
    -I'm making technical climbs I never made before.

    The fact that he's been riding every weekend since he got it says alot too.

    Overall, if you want a really nice full suspension 29er at the cost of a quality hardtail - I don't think you can go wrong with the Canzo. I have no regrets about buying this bike.
    I'll let you all know how the bearings and linkage holds up after 6 months or so of winter riding.

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    This is exciting!! I didn't think a f/s 29r could be had for under $1200.

    Good luck with the bike and please keep us up to date on the likes and dislikes.

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    The rear end

    I own Kona King Kikapu for many years and I got to say the rear of that Canzo is a dead ringer for the rear of the Kona. Something to think about. Fwiw my Kona rides real well and treated me fine.

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    I think that statement says it all We'll keep a look out for long term reports on construction of this, what seems to be the hands down cheapest way to get into a 29er. Is your Son a somewhat masher, that likes to slowly turn over a gear as he climbs or spins like a hamster? I found that the 29ers ability to roll over stuff at slow speed really suits my riding style of slowly crawling up climbs and carefully picking my line.

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    My son and I have both ridden the Canzo 29er several times.

    My thoughts:......................................... ....
    My son's thoughts:

    -Alot faster than my old bike (5" FS 26er-very plush but heavy with slack steering ).
    -Rolls over everything alot easier.
    -I'm making technical climbs I never made before.

    The fact that he's been riding every weekend since he got it says alot too................................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Any idea what the frame weighs? I've heard wildly differing numbers...
    med is 6.2lbs on ultimate scale,i was very immpressed .ill do a real
    reveiw with pics soon.so far with three rides on it im in love with this bike.

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    ... and if we just ...

    Way too much good stuff and enthusiasm for this bike here.

    Ok, I just ordered on from my LBS; not quite as low priced as I can get it off the 'Net, and I will pay sales tax. It helps to have one of the largest nationwide dealers as my LBS, and stop in with a few brews when I'm shopping or need quick installs with the tools I do not have.

    It will be here in about 10-14 days. Now I need to sell a ton of kiddie wheels stuff.

    I was too stocked after my first 2000' climb after being off the dirt for 9 months; I plead temporary insanity, yeah, that's it........
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    I'm all for LBS's, but i've never connected enough with one in particular to give them all my business. Half the fun of mountainbiking to me is researching in magazines and on the net and then hunting down a good deal and getting EXACTLY what I want without compromise. And then I get the joy of building something with all the parts. I can't say enough good things about Bitterbrush Cyles (In Colorado) and the excellent customer service they've provided to me (In Kentucky).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    I'm all for LBS's, but i've never connected enough with one in particular to give them all my business. Half the fun of mountainbiking to me is researching in magazines and on the net and then hunting down a good deal and getting EXACTLY what I want without compromise. And then I get the joy of building something with all the parts. I can't say enough good things about Bitterbrush Cyles (In Colorado) and the excellent customer service they've provided to me (In Kentucky).
    I hear ya! I dream and google and geek way more than is healthy.

    This frame is going to cost me $90 more, with the sales tax, than from Bitterbrush. I have saved far, far more than that in free work, like headset / BB installs, facing BB and head tubes, troubleshooting some creaky crank nightmares, ad nauseum. It works out in the end. And this is one of the big guns in the MTB retail business - their ad is on the MTBR front page.

    They know that I get better deals sometimes, and don't get pissy about it, so I buy from them when I can; it works for both of us. When I show up with a problem item, and a six pack, I get service in minutes and not days.

    This is worth the dinero this time. I've bought three other bikes that they beat other prices I had researched.
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    What size/type front derailleur are you guys using? I've orderd a canzo and trying to make sure I've got enough parts to build up when it arrives. Looks like a bottom swing/high mount in BWGs pics. The shock mount makes it pretty close. Will a top swing/low mount go under the shock mount if you're only running a 2 ring + bashguard setup? Any particular models NOT fit?

    Thanks!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdubovsky
    What size/type front derailleur are you guys using? I've orderd a canzo and trying to make sure I've got enough parts to build up when it arrives. Looks like a bottom swing/high mount in BWGs pics. The shock mount makes it pretty close. Will a top swing/low mount go under the shock mount if you're only running a 2 ring + bashguard setup? Any particular models NOT fit?

    Thanks!!
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    I'm running a 2-ring + Bashguard with an XT bottom-swing - I held up a LX topswing and it looks like it would work - not sure though.

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    Got me a canzo 29er and really like it so far. Thanks to BWG and others for the great reviews. I was curious how much sag are you running? Also has anyone noticed imperfections in the frame? On my downtube there are several dents. You don't notice them until you run your fingers along the frame. One if very large and I'm worried it will only get worse overtime. It was packed well and it doesn't have scratches so I don't think it happened during shipping.
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    anybody know which design is for 08? complete bike pic is from interbike gallery
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    i like the interbike linkage more better. the other reminds me of a Kona design which to me is astetically bad or should i say more bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil hillbilly
    anybody know which design is for 08? complete bike pic is from interbike gallery
    I think the interbike pic is the orig prototype. Never seen one of those for sale. Check out the blog from the voodoo guys back in 2006.
    http://www.voodoocycles.net/blog/?p=17

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    The prototype I saw had a lower linkage, a solid rear triangle,a shorter upper rocker and an upside down shock as seen in Voodoo's blog in the previous post.

    I didn't have any frame imperfections.

    I'm running 25% sag (25% of 1.5 ").
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    Quote Originally Posted by lil hillbilly
    anybody know which design is for 08? complete bike pic is from interbike gallery

    I got this Email from John Benson when I inquired about changes for 2008.

    "Yes to everything but color. It will have a longer TT and HT, larger
    diameter TT and improved more rigid suspension. Also it will use the new
    Rock Shox Monarch shock that is valved for the suspension to avoid
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    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExhaustPipe
    I got this Email from John Benson when I inquired about changes for 2008.

    "Yes to everything but color. It will have a longer TT and HT, larger
    diameter TT and improved more rigid suspension. Also it will use the new
    Rock Shox Monarch shock that is valved for the suspension to avoid
    over-damping on compression."

    Thanks,

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    Dang! Why didn't you post this a week sooner?

    I just ordered the last 20" from BTI through my LBS.

    Ah well, given the great reviews from BWG and others, I am confident that I will be happy with it. I'm a fan of longer stems on quicker handling bikes, and it sounds like the current short TT (about 3cm less than my Inbred) on the Canzo will let me do this.

    This will be my first boinger bike after about 2 years of full rigid riding, I'm sure I will love it. If not, I'm blaming you now.
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    Dang! Dang! Dang!

    Walked into the LBS this morning to grab some GU02, and Tim goes, "Hey, look at that box at the top steps."

    My frame! Too soon. Too soon. Fork is in transit. Hubs and rims on order to build wheels. I did not expect them to get it until early next week.

    Oh the pain and suffering and anticipation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    My frame! Too soon.
    Hehehe. Mine came in today too The green looks lighter than BWGs (the lighting is different). I have the fork (minute 120) but have to rebuild the wheel from a QR to TA hub tonight. Depending on how long that takes I might be able to ride it this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smdubovsky
    Hehehe. Mine came in today too The green looks lighter than BWGs (the lighting is different). I have the fork (minute 120) but have to rebuild the wheel from a QR to TA hub tonight. Depending on how long that takes I might be able to ride it this weekend.

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    Yes to the color; lighter in real life than the pics I see here on my laptop. I like that flat color, almost looks like bead blasted anodizing. Makes me wish I could do a complete silver component build, but I have all the black parts I need (and more) in the parts bin.

    I have a Magic 100 TA shipping (thanks to a great deal from an MTBR member), the rear hub and rims are on order through my LBS (some schmuck mail ordered the last pair the day before ), they had the front 20mm TA hub. These wheels will be economy build (about $225 for both), and then I'll do a killer set in the spring. I have all the other parts and will start hanging them on the frame in the next couple days.

    Anyone else find the seat tube is very tight, and the 31.6 post (I have tried 3 spares) will not fit easily? I'm going to sand the paint out and see how it goes. My LBS does not have a seat tube reamer in that size. They installed the BB and HS cups after chasing and facing it.
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    The Canzo looks to be a lot of bike for the money...

    and the thru-axle will really add to how well the bike tracks. Glad you got a good deal on the fork . Keep it upright and enjoy your time back on the bike.

    - Q

    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    Yes to the color; lighter in real life than the pics I see here on my laptop. I like that flat color, almost looks like bead blasted anodizing. Makes me wish I could do a complete silver component build, but I have all the black parts I need (and more) in the parts bin.

    I have a Magic 100 TA shipping (thanks to a great deal from an MTBR member), the rear hub and rims are on order through my LBS (some schmuck mail ordered the last pair the day before ), they had the front 20mm TA hub. These wheels will be economy build (about $225 for both), and then I'll do a killer set in the spring. I have all the other parts and will start hanging them on the frame in the next couple days.

    Anyone else find the seat tube is very tight, and the 31.6 post (I have tried 3 spares) will not fit easily? I'm going to sand the paint out and see how it goes. My LBS does not have a seat tube reamer in that size. They installed the BB and HS cups after chasing and facing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qfactor03
    and the thru-axle will really add to how well the bike tracks. Glad you got a good deal on the fork . Keep it upright and enjoy your time back on the bike.

    - Q
    Ok, now I am getting more excited. The fork got here in two days.

    Yes, the guy I got it from is very nice, very helpful, very quick to ship, and just a hell of a nice person. I hope there was enough money left over to buy a nice beer!

    So, off the the LBS to see if they can pop the old HS fork race off and install it on the new fork.

    Now I need wheels, please, please, please, please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    I have a Magic 100 TA shipping...
    Have you done the trail calculation yet? Canzo HA = 72.5deg w/ 510mm AC (reba 100). My math: The trail w/ the rebas 38mm offset = 76mm (3").

    Magic 100 has 10mm < AC than reba = ~0.5deg steeper HA = 73deg. The magic 100 has 44mm offset (is the thru axle the same as the QR?) The combination yields 66mm (2.6") of trail. Thats really small.

    Heres a quick comparison of trail calculations:
    Canzo + reba = 76mm (3.0")
    fisher G2 hifi (fox) = 80 (3.1")
    RIP9 + reba = 83 (3.3")
    Lenz Levithan 4 + reba = 90 (3.5")
    Intense Spider + reba = 73 (2.9") - and by all reports its a twitchy race oriented ride

    Some 26ers for comparison:
    Specialized Epic = 78mm (3.1") - XC race bike (I own one - it definitely requires 'attention')
    Specialized Stumpjumper = 84 (3.4") - more AM slant

    The head angle of the canzo wasn't designed for the new higher offset forks. I'd think twice about using a magic 100 on there. Likely super sketchy handling.

    FWIW, The manitou TA introduces this same 'problem' (48mm offset). I went to the 120mm fork to slacken the head angle a degree. That gets the trail close to the same amount as if running a reba (actually, the same as the spider.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by smdubovsky
    Have you done the trail calculation yet? Canzo HA = 72.5deg w/ 510mm AC (reba 100). My math: The trail w/ the rebas 38mm offset = 76mm (3").

    Magic 100 has 10mm < AC than reba = ~0.5deg steeper HA = 73deg. The magic 100 has 44mm offset (is the thru axle the same as the QR?) The combination yields 66mm (2.6") of trail. Thats really small.
    I had not. My eyes kinda glaze over when the discussions get like that here on MTBR.
    ("Sorry, gotta go. It's getting deep, and my boot leak......")

    Using this page - http://www.kreuzotter.de/english/elenk.htm
    And plugging in

    73 degree HA
    72.7 cm diameter of Rampage actual measurement
    4.4 cm fork offset
    I get 6.5 cm trail

    I dunno. All I looked at was the AC difference of the Reba and the Magic 100, and thought that 10mm was slight.

    I will be using the FSA DH Pig Pro HS that has a taller stack height mentioned in this post. It has a stack height of 31mm but I cannot find the lower stack height alone, but many posts state it is one of the tallest. I dunno.

    I read everything I could find on the Reba and the Magic100, and decided that the WB would suit me better since I hate brake dive, and wanted a stiffer fork, since I have been on a rigid bike for the last couple of years. Also, I wanted a TA, and if I could not have one, I was not going to build the bike.

    The other consideration is that with my long arms and legs, I'll likely be using a 110-120 stem on this bike, since I had a 100cm on the last one, and that will give me the same seat post to bars reach as my Inbred 29er with a 80cm stem. Plus 28-29 inch bars.

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    I would have gone with a 100 mm WB TA fork too if I didn't already have a Reba - the TA Fluid 135 on my RIP is awesome. I don't get too obsessed with the numbers and I'm willing to give something a try even if people say I shouldn't.No direspect to smdubovsky, but telling me I can't or shouldn't do something just makes me that much more determined. My stubbornness aside, I think things in life don't always turn out like they do on paper (especially when I already bought the part). Go for it and enjoy that new ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smdubovsky
    Hehehe. Mine came in today too The green looks lighter than BWGs (the lighting is different). I have the fork (minute 120) but have to rebuild the wheel from a QR to TA hub tonight. Depending on how long that takes I might be able to ride it this weekend.

    SMD
    Yep, my pics were taken in the morning shade and look darker than in sunlight. Sorry about that. Glad you guys are giving this bike a chance, I know I'm glad I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    I would have gone with a 100 mm WB TA fork too if I didn't already have a Reba - the TA Fluid 135 on my RIP is awesome. I don't get too obsessed with the numbers and I'm willing to give something a try even if people say I shouldn't. No direspect to smdubovsky, but telling me I can't or shouldn't do something just makes me that much more determined. My stubbornness aside, I think things in life don't always turn out like they do on paper (especially when I already bought the part). Go for it and enjoy that new ride.
    Thanks. I'm not for sweating the whole thing either. I'll give it a go. Reviewing the Voodoo Cycles website again, they show the design for a 505AC/100mm fork. The WB is 5 under that. the Reba 5 over. I have the DH Pig Pro headset that is pretty tall, and I found this by Cane Creek, the S-3+5 HS, if I feel it is too twitchy.

    Thanks to smdubovsky for making me think a little harder about this, I did google up a number of good sites and reviewed the whole rake/trail/offset conundrum.

    That helps distract me from waiting for my rear hub and rims so that wheels can be built and I can ride this baby...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    I have the DH Pig Pro headset that is pretty tall, and I found this by Cane Creek, the S-3+5 HS, if I feel it is too twitchy.
    I found the Hope headset I'm runnning is 10mm taller than the Cane Creek S-2 headset I used on another bike. More expensive too, but worth it I think.
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    slocaus, please don't NOT try it based on just my opinion. I didn't mean to imply that (I reread my post and I do see how it sounds like that.) Sorry. Just wanted to show that it was something to be concerned with. Im an engineer so I get geeky on the #s IMO, The tall headset is prob a great idea. I don't have the experience to know 65mm is too little - I go mostly how other bikes are built and what more experienced say. I also know my Epic is about as nervous as *I* would want to ride, so I "chickened out" and bought the long manitou. I also have long legs & arms and raising the head tube up won't bother me either. 29ers seem to be built just for me

    Yeah, I wanted a TA too. I've ridden 2 forks in my life - both F100 foxs. I rode a 29er for the first time a month ago - a RIP9 w/ reba that I rode around the block for 5min. The FIRST time I hit the brakes on the reba I noticed the fore/aft flex. Im sure Id get used to it, but I figured a new bike, a new wheel size, might as well try out new everything!

    FWIW, I run the cane creek S8 on my bikes. Im no bike expert and I don't have years of riding exp, but engineering wise its every bit a match of the overpriced CK at 1/4 the price (my opinion is blasphemy, I know...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExhaustPipe
    I got this Email from John Benson when I inquired about changes for 2008.

    "Yes to everything but color. It will have a longer TT and HT, larger
    diameter TT and improved more rigid suspension. Also it will use the new
    Rock Shox Monarch shock that is valved for the suspension to avoid
    over-damping on compression."

    Thanks,

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    I think these changes will only make a good bike better. PLEASE post pictures of your Canzo 29er builds. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smdubovsky
    slocaus, please don't NOT try it based on just my opinion. I didn't mean to imply that (I reread my post and I do see how it sounds like that.) Sorry. Just wanted to show that it was something to be concerned with. Im an engineer so I get geeky on the #s IMO, The tall headset is prob a great idea. I don't have the experience to know 65mm is too little - I go mostly how other bikes are built and what more experienced say. I also know my Epic is about as nervous as *I* would want to ride, so I "chickened out" and bought the long manitou. I also have long legs & arms and raising the head tube up won't bother me either. 29ers seem to be built just for me

    Yeah, I wanted a TA too. I've ridden 2 forks in my life - both F100 foxs. I rode a 29er for the first time a month ago - a RIP9 w/ reba that I rode around the block for 5min. The FIRST time I hit the brakes on the reba I noticed the fore/aft flex. Im sure Id get used to it, but I figured a new bike, a new wheel size, might as well try out new everything!

    FWIW, I run the cane creek S8 on my bikes. Im no bike expert and I don't have years of riding exp, but engineering wise its every bit a match of the overpriced CK at 1/4 the price (my opinion is blasphemy, I know...)

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    Hey SMD, no sweat that I would actually take your advice. (/joke)

    I have been riding mountain bikes sinc 1979, and only on suspended bikes for 4 years, but I have had three bikes and six forks, with vastly different A-C measurements. Not that I am an expert.

    Seriously, I do appreciate your making me think about this! My 29er SS is an Inbred, and it handles really, really quickly on single track, and yet is very stable at speed descending fire roads at 35 mph! It conforms to the trail figures you gave in the other examples, right at 3.0" I just know from riding my old Uzzi SLX with QR forks, that I absolutely wanted a TA fork; no TA, no sussy for me.

    Just for grins, here is a fork to down tube clearance photo. It looks HUGE to me. It is hard to compare with BWG's photos, but if anyone wants to post a photo for comparison, please do.
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    Slocaus, here's a pic for comparison of a Reba without poploc and a Hope headset.

    smdubovsky, sorry if I sounded like a smarta$$ about the #'s - you're an engineer - you can't help it .

    Also, here's a picture of the final build set up for my son (riser bar, longer stem, his saddle, platform/clipless pedals).




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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    you're an engineer - you can't help it .
    Thats the truth Heres the pic of it w/ a manitou minute 120 fork. Looks like it'll clear anything quite easily.
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    Please stop posting pics of this bike, you are getting quite aggravating now and pushing me towards selling an organ to acquire one even though I really don't need it
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    LyNx,
    Ha! I lust after the RIP *YOU* have Hmmmm Blue. (Green & red are by far my least favorite colors, but I couldn't argue w/ the price.) Everything should show up tomorrow to build. Will be able to ride it this weekend!

    FWIW, Here are some measurements I took to enter into a Linkage model (yes, I put the bike on a granite surface and measured - Did I mention Im an engineer
    Large (20") frame + Manitou minute 120 TA (530 AC + 12.3mm for headset)
    120mm head tube (website says 130mm)
    434mm CS = 18.25" (website says 455mm/17.9")
    27mm BB drop (website says 40mm but thats for a 505AC/100mm travel fork)
    HT ~71.5deg (but I have difficulty making this measurement so I could easily be off +-1/2 deg)
    2.75" clearance inside the CS, 3" inside the SS (hmmmm, big tires)

    The resulting HT + 48mm fork offset should give me ~73mm trail (2.9").
    I REALLY welcome the 13mm less BB drop the fork gave me too. W/ Rampage 2.3's should put the BB height well over 13.5" (excellent to run longer cranks and still get over the roots here.)

    Edit (more info):
    Frame weight = 6.5#
    BB height = 13.5"
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    Cool-blue Rhythm Happy RIPping it

    No lusting here, just curious.............

    Not at all un-happy with the RIP9, just very curious to ride a FS Frame that costs $750, yet seems to be very well designed and manufactured - whether a 26" or 29" frame that's a killer deal on a frame. Yup happy camper cruising around on the RIP9, just this damn 29er Koolaid has me getting thirsty to try different flavours of it

    Quote Originally Posted by smdubovsky
    LyNx,
    Ha! I lust after the RIP *YOU* have Hmmmm Blue. (Green & red are by far my least favorite colors, but I couldn't argue w/ the price.) Everything should show up tomorrow to build. Will be able to ride it this weekend!

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    Oh well it was fun while it lasted Figured I'd take a look at the Geo numbers for the bike and lo and behold they only make up to a 20" 24.25" TT so too small for me, but will still be on the top of my recommend list for anyone looking.
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    I've gotten five rides in three days on mine. What a bike! It needs more tuning and break in on the shocks for a full analysis. My first impression was that it was very familiar; that is a good thing, since I have only ridden a rigid 29er SS Inbred for over a year. It did not feel radically different so that it would have a (re)learning curve.

    Climbing, descending, nice swoopy single track was very comfortable. Fork offset / AC height / frame angles in not an issue. I've done one really steep rocky three mile descent, lots of climbing, and some fast fire road descent at 35 mph. This bike is confidence inspiring! Gotta remember to take the old knee and elbow armor along and wear it - I'm too old to go as fast as this bike is capable!
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    I brought my camera along for the first ride, but completely forgot to take pics... Oh well, heres one of my build. Stole the seat and stem off my other ride for now.
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    I like it! The silver parts and white/silver fork really compliment the Canzo Swamp Green. Maybe a silver seatpost in your future?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    Maybe a silver seatpost in your future?
    Hmm, Its really just a mix of parts in whatever color I had but I see what you mean. It would look far better w/ a silver post. Though, there aren't too many to choose from w/ lots of offset (see how far back it sits - I've got LONG legs). I could strip the paint easily enough though On the other hand, I could paint the CS's black to match. Naaah, Im just going to ride it for a while The susp needs some serious tuning attention before I worry about colors.

    FWIW, I drilled the SS cable stops and ran full length cables. I simply zip all three housings to the center holder under the TT. I also run moto-style right front brakes and that usually adds a little goofyness to the routing. Not so on the canzo since the brake cable runs down the middle.

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    Those Canzos look great. what's the bottom bracket height on those suckers?

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    MMcG,
    My post further up the page has dimensions 13.5" w/ the manitou 120 and Rampage 2.35s. The fork is what gets the extra 1/2" over the factory specs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smdubovsky
    MMcG,
    My post further up the page has dimensions 13.5" w/ the manitou 120 and Rampage 2.35s. The fork is what gets the extra 1/2" over the factory specs.
    That's a nice height - especially for my neck of the woods (Connecticut) where we've got lots of rocks to contend with on our trails.

    Great looking bike. How's the front end handling with the 120 Manitou? Does that 120mm Minute have the 48mm offset up front?

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    New Canzo

    I just went for a ride on my new Canzo on Sunday (yeaterday), and I couldnh't believe how much I loved it. I have ridden hardtails all my life, my last bike was a Soma Juice which was my first 29er. I rode the Soma hard for over a year, and loved the bike every minute. After a very brutal trip to Moab (which did have me envying my buddies FS) I brought the Soma into my LBS for a quick run through. It turns out that my seatstay welds had cracked where they met the seattube. Now in no way do I think that this is a negative assessment of the Soma, I rode it HARD, my theory is that I should be able to keep up with anyone on any bike. Anyway Soma has already said that they will warranty the frame. But since I was rebuilding my bike anyway I decided to take the plunge and go FS. My local BTI outlet had a Canzo frame in my size that they had on sale. I got it for $800 through my LBS. So I swapped all the parts over from the Soma to the Canzo (needed new seatpost). I can't believe how natural this bike was to ride coming off my hardtail. The geometry feels almost identical to the Soma, except that my feet feel a little farther back. I did a classic trail in my area that I ride constantly which is a long climb and return downhill. On the climb the bike stuck to the ground like glue in the steep rocky areas. My hardtail usually starts to jump around and lose traction when I stand up and climb, this never happened on the Canzo. I did the whole climb with the shock in the free float position and never felt like the bike was bobbing under me, this was in and out of the saddle. I was amazed at the difference going over obstacles. I could ride over a 6" ledge without getting out of the saddle. I could never do this on my hardtail. Going down was even more amazing, of course, on rocky rooty sections which previously I had to really hang on and work to get through with speed, I simply floated over. This downhill is really fast, but rough and on my hardtail it was work, on the Canzo it was pure pleasure. I don't know if this post is a recomendation of the Canzo in particular or FS in general (I'm sure a lot of you are saying Duh!) but previous FS bikes I tried just didn't seem to feel as natural or as stiff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    That's a nice height - especially for my neck of the woods (Connecticut) where we've got lots of rocks to contend with on our trails.

    Great looking bike. How's the front end handling with the 120 Manitou? Does that 120mm Minute have the 48mm offset up front?
    Im in MD. We have some rocks but tons of 3-4" roots to deal w/. I have an Epic (13" BB) and I'll get a couple pedal strikes per ride w/ 180 cranks - lots more if I actually try to pedal while going over the roots. None w/ the Canzo so far though I still found myself trying to pedal hard than coast over the rooty sections. When I did remember to pedal, I went over fine. its going to be a little while before I learn the new limit. The higher BB is one of the reasons I went w/ a longer fork. I do more XC riding, so I don't actually NEED 120mm of travel, just a high BB.

    Yes, the 120 TA is 48mm offset (the QR version has 41mm). Works out to ~2.9" of trail on the large Canzo (the large has the steepest HTA). No problems @ all in the handling dept. We rode some pretty tight switchbacks (both up and down) and I can't say it seemed all that different than my Epic, which has very fast handling. Being my first ride on a 29er, it really seems to be a non-issue - to the point of I wonder why people make a fuss about the handling differences 26 vs 29.

    The fork MAY have some other issues though. Go see the minute 120 thread.
    2008 Manitou Minute 120mm 29'er Fork.
    It comes short on oil (easy fix but annoying), but I fear it has an ancient damper design (difficult fix). I have to ride it more to be sure, but IMO it currently has far too much high speed compression damping.

    BTW, I hadn't ridden it 5 minutes before someone stopped and asked me about the bike Got a 'nice voodoo' comment along the way too. Thats never happened to me before. My friends were ribbing me about it

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    Give the Manitou more time.....seems like that's what it takes to get them performing well. Time and a little bit of tweaking here and there no?

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    Does anybody know when the 2008 with longer TT's will be available? Is $975 through my LBS a fair price?

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    Nice bike and pictures

    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    I've gotten five rides in three days on mine. What a bike! It needs more tuning and break in on the shocks for a full analysis. My first impression was that it was very familiar; that is a good thing, since I have only ridden a rigid 29er SS Inbred for over a year. It did not feel radically different so that it would have a (re)learning curve.

    Climbing, descending, nice swoopy single track was very comfortable. Fork offset / AC height / frame angles in not an issue. I've done one really steep rocky three mile descent, lots of climbing, and some fast fire road descent at 35 mph. This bike is confidence inspiring! Gotta remember to take the old knee and elbow armor along and wear it - I'm too old to go as fast as this bike is capable!
    Nice bike and pictures . Morning Glory? Nice to see pictures of another FS 29er @ SLO.

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    Check with Voodoo direct. they are very good about getting back with information on their bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Does anybody know when the 2008 with longer TT's will be available? Is $975 through my LBS a fair price?
    For comparison - Speegoat.com sells them for $825.00 with free shipping and no tax if you're not in PA. BitterbrushCycles.com has them for $875.00 and will give you 10% off plus free shipping and no tax if you're not in CO. See if your LBS will match those deals - if not talk to one of these shops. I got my Canzo frame from Bitterbrush and had my wheels built by Speedgoat and I've been very happy with both shops, especially Bitterbrush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jms
    Nice bike and pictures . Morning Glory? Nice to see pictures of another FS 29er @ SLO.
    Ummmm. Stagecoach road, Cerro San Luis, Cuesta Cyn. park, no pics from Morning Glory yet. Rode it all the way from SLO up Stagecoach, W. Cuesta Ridge to Cerro Alto, then down to Morro Bay and home (via Turri Road) 46 miles and 5900 feet ascending (according to Garmin). I've been all over the local SLO trails thus far.

    Where the heck are you? I see you posting in NorCal. Do you have SLO people you visit, or moved here or what? We should ride sometime.

    I've made quite a few changes in the bike since the photos; bars, stem, post, post clamp; still fiddling with tires and shock settings. I kinda got carried away like I never have before with a bike. I'll get some updated pictures up here soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    For comparison - Speegoat.com sells them for $825.00 with free shipping and no tax if you're not in PA. BitterbrushCycles.com has them for $875.00 and will give you 10% off plus free shipping and no tax if you're not in CO. See if your LBS will match those deals - if not talk to one of these shops. I got my Canzo frame from Bitterbrush and had my wheels built by Speedgoat and I've been very happy with both shops, especially Bitterbrush.
    My LBS just happens to be Cambria Bicycle Outfitters. I got mine at $799; of course no shipping, but local sales tax. Then I bought waaaaay to much other stuff, and they give me a hellofa discount (10-50%) they just have my credit card on file. Got the Ringle/Sun High Rider 29er wheels for under $190, stuff like that. The fact that I walk in with 6-10 big bottles of Stone Smoked Porter, Arrogant Bastard, and IPA when I need parts or quick service might have some small effect.
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    Those of you having a Canzo; what fork length do you have and what would you say is the best fork travel (a-c length) for it? Would a Reba 80 mm be too low?

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    Quote Originally Posted by erikerik
    Those of you having a Canzo; what fork length do you have and what would you say is the best fork travel (a-c length) for it? Would a Reba 80 mm be too low?
    The spec page at VooDoo states it is designed for the Reba 100mm fork with a 505mm A-C.

    I run a White Bros Magic100 with A-C of 500mm and a headset with a tall lower stack that is probable 3-5mm taller than average. (This thread has all those details, if you read it.)

    What is the A-C of the 80mm Reba; why do you want to run a shorter travel fork than the frame is designed to use? Why not get a frame that is 80mm/3 inches travel, designed for an 80mm fork? You think a shorter fork in front will give you a psychological edge, your brain with think you are always going downhill?
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    I love my Canzo. These pics were taken before I put a red King headset on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    The [URL="http://www.voodoocycles.net/07_canzo29.htm"]
    why do you want to run a shorter travel fork than the frame is designed to use? Why not get a frame that is 80mm/3 inches travel, designed for an 80mm fork? You think a shorter fork in front will give you a psychological edge, your brain with think you are always going downhill?
    I don't think I need more psychological edge; rather less of it. That's why I got into this bigwheel thing to begin with. To have something less playful than my 26ers. But that's another story.

    I already have a Reba 29, 80 mm. I have understood that it is possible to change them to 100 mm and I have read that Voodoo has designed the bike for 100 mm fork. Which sound perfect to me. But it would be interesting to hear from someone who has tried it with a shorter fork if it really sucks or is OK. Then I would know what to expect, should I decide to replace my current frame with a Canzo and keep the rest. If it would be a bad or OK setup. I'd like to skip the messy fork rebuild session. I've had too many of those. I need no more fork rebuilds in my life than the absolute minimum.

    Just thinking about bike stuff... it's cheaper that way.

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    Does anyone know what the longer TT measurement is going to be for 08?

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    Looks very nice indeed.

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    Anyone have a picture of a small built up?


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    Quote Originally Posted by erikerik
    I don't think I need more psychological edge; rather less of it.

    I already have a Reba 29, 80 mm.
    I was being a smart azz, it comes easy for me.....

    I figured you had the Reba 80 already.

    Again, what is the A-C of the 80mm fork if you want an opinion from someone who has never had one. (I'll try to behave myself this time. )
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    I am getting ready to pull the trigger on a Canzo.

    Those of you in this thread with Canzo's have any long term reviews?

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    I've now had my Canzo for 6 months, raced it at 24 hours in the old pueblo and just recently at Dawn til Dusk (12 hour race). I had ridden both of those coursed on my hardtail soma and boy what a difference. I have found very little to complain about with this bike. I rarely lock out the shock since even while climbing out of the saddle I get very little bob. So far the bike has been really solid, although I have yet to REALLY punish it. That will have to wait until the snow melts off the higher trails. The only real problem is that in the small frame there is not enough room for a large water bottle. It sticks out to one side a bit and you have to pick whether you want to use your right or left hand to grab it. The second set of braze-ons under the down tube are pretty much useless as you can't reach a bottle stored there.

    In response to the questions about fork height. I have been riding mine with the 80 mm Marzzochi fork on it and it seems to work pretty well. I am certainly in a slightly more forward position, but you really only notice that the first time you jump on the bike. Once you get used to it it rides great.

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    It's a shame that the largest size the Canzo comes in is 20''.


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    It's a shame I don't have the green for one of these things RIGHT NOW. That's what the shame is.

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    Sweet bike slocaus what size frame do you have? I'm thinking about getting one soon. I'm 5'11". I do not want to get a bigger frame than i need that's for sure.

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    nice bike


    Quote Originally Posted by Timan
    I own Kona King Kikapu for many years and I got to say the rear of that Canzo is a dead ringer for the rear of the Kona. Something to think about. Fwiw my Kona rides real well and treated me fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbnachos
    Sweet bike slocaus what size frame do you have? I'm thinking about getting one soon. I'm 5'11". I do not want to get a bigger frame than i need that's for sure.
    I'd go with the Large - I'm 5'11" too and the Medium feels a little small to me, definately smaller than my Med. RIP9.

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    I've had mine since the fall, but didn't ride much in the winter. Its a fine bike - not much to say in that arena. The shock has loads of compression damping so its not as plush as, say, a RIP. I've got a friend whos going to swap me his Fox RP23 just to try out (which it whats on the RIP too...) Hopping up and down on any bike w/ a fox it always seems softer (RIP, Yeti, Rocky mountain, specialized, etc). What I *AM* sure of, the rear shock is NOT a good match for a bone stock Manitou minute. The fork has too little compression damping in comparison. The front end dives and the rear kicks up on the faster downhill stuff. Pretty scary. Im going to change the oil in the fork today to play w/ that. No complaints about the frame though.

    BTW, Im running the high offset minute TA fork to get the trail closer to 26ers so the steering is very similar to the specialized Epic I came from (which has very fast handling.)

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