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    Quote Originally Posted by YamaDan View Post
    Old habits die hard... I used to race DH and on two different occasions, we lost chains due to QL failures on our DH run's.. didn't play well with the chain guide. Once it cost me a win..literally..not maybe, really took first place from my grasp. It's so so hard to win on a national level, but that 2nd place, breaking that chain 100 yards from the finish... hurts still.

    Since then, always used a pin.
    Having shared your pain of being "First Loser!" several times, I hear you.

    Whining completed. Time for a ride on the Czar!
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    I bet it takes a long time for you to get ready for a ride. ;-)
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    Ok.. gonna take her out for a little spin.. I don't know if I'll do dirt, I'm 9 weeks post surgery on a clavicle, but, I need to ride it!!

    So, I weigh 175lbs ready to ride (RTR).. For the Turner, the rear sag is supposed to be set at 10mm. Thats RTR in riding position, with the front sag set as well. Fox calls for 25% sag..so for the 120 fork, between 25-30mm.. I'm gonna let the fork sag a bit in the travel because I'm running a 120 and the Czar is set for a 100. I'm guessing, it wont be an issue.

    Sag is easier to set than you might think. Most people I've seen, never spend that much time setting sag. Start with this, with a sharpie, mark where you want your sag. A dot a small line, it's doesn't matter.. Ride your bike around, and keep pulling the o rings on the shocks back .. ride over stuff, jump some curbs. stop a couple times. Set the o rings one more time, then roll to a stop, don't hit the brake, just smoothly roll to a stop, un-weight the bike, and check sag.. do this a few times..til you get it right. Seems mundane, but, you will thank me for a properly set up bike later!

    Rebound, kinda a personal thing, but, set it so the shock comes back slower than you think it should.




    Oh, and make sure you're setting sag when the bike is in the "softest" position on the shock.



    So for me, I'm starting at 70lbs in the fork, 150lbs in the rear shock.













    Check the sag again for a couple rides, everything will settle in.. I think that's it for now..

    I feel like I'm forgetting something...

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    Quote Originally Posted by YamaDan View Post
    I feel like I'm forgetting something...
    Oh weight!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    I bet it takes a long time for you to get ready for a ride. ;-)
    LOL!! You would think huh!

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    Nice build...can't wait for ride reports
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    What a great thread! Fantastic looking bike!

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    So I took it out for a little shake down ride..

    I'm recovering from an encounter with a deer, and he won. So today I'm 9 weeks post op.. so, per the wife and Dr, no mountain biking.. I have however done a little road riding the past couple of days pain free, so I'll just take a little road ride, make sure everything fits..



    The first thing I noticed was the seat needed a small amount of adjustment. Also, the FOX CTD shocks work really well, I pretty much stayed in Trail mode. As expected, works great with the frame.

    So I got to Aliso and decided to go in... I'll just ride the main road in a little.. switched the shocks to D mode, to keep it as plush as possible..



    The carbon rims are STIFF!! Need to play with the tire pressures. The Czar wants to go.. I was running about 11.5 mph pace.. usually I'm in the 9's 10 on a good day.. and I really wasn't pushing..

    I stopped at the bottom of Cholla, next time..



    On the way out I almost crapped myself!!!



    Beast!!!

    35.7 miles later I'm uploading pics for you guys!

    Everything is tight and shifts well. The brakes don't rub, and the seat is finally adjusted right.

    Now I need to heal up a bit more then I'll give it a sound thrashing.. but for now, I made a GREAT choice for my first 29er!!

    Hope you guys liked the build!


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    Again, man......fantastic build thread. We would be lucky as members if every build thread was done like this one. You held my interest, provided great photos, inserted witty and helpful commentary. No joke.....if I was a noob to wrenching, this thread would have given me the confidence to attempt one. I did an Orbea build thread last year that just really pales in comparison. Out of curiosity, do you, or have you worked in a shop? Things like setting the rear mech limits prior to chain install scream professional to me.

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    Sweet build, shoulda took it up cholla, down rock it, up Mathis, down lynx... That woulda been a proper break in ride... Although your clavicle would not have been happy! Sweet ride, I love Turners.

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    Once you're healed up, give that thing a proper flogging and report back. This frame is really tempting me. Did you ever post the final weight?

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    i know my way around a bike pretty well but this thread definitely helped me out a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocop View Post
    Again, man......fantastic build thread. We would be lucky as members if every build thread was done like this one. You held my interest, provided great photos, inserted witty and helpful commentary. No joke.....if I was a noob to wrenching, this thread would have given me the confidence to attempt one. I did an Orbea build thread last year that just really pales in comparison. Out of curiosity, do you, or have you worked in a shop? Things like setting the rear mech limits prior to chain install scream professional to me.
    Thank you very much. Far too kind. My back ground is I ran a mountain bike team 96 - 02.. built a lot of bikes, and raced a bit as well.

    I honestly just tried to remember all the little things I've picked up along the way. Mistakes I've made, and how I try and keep from making them again.

    Never worked in a shop though..

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    Nice job, nice bike and thanks for the painstaking picture taking. Very cool

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    Great report. Get well soon, and post some pics
    when you get some dirt on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YamaDan View Post
    the FOX CTD shocks work really well, I pretty much stayed in Trail mode.
    CTD fox on my bike as well, after 6 months of experimenting with them i tend to run in trail mode about 90%.

    I reach down and drop the fork into climb mode for switch backs and super steep stuff. Ive found for me climb mode on the rear is overkill and havent bothered since the first month.

    I will drop into descend front and back on some stuff. It is really nice to have the option to go plush for sure. How ever subtle the difference is between descend and trail, my bike definitely corners better in trail mode so my choice of when to go plush is dictated by the snakes in the trail more than steepness or chunk.

    VERY nice bike, ty for sharing the build.

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    Thorough write up, thanks! Congrats on the ride...

    What carbon rims did you go with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbnmissile View Post
    Thorough write up, thanks! Congrats on the ride...

    What carbon rims did you go with?
    I got the one's from here, Wider carbon mountain 29er rims clincher(tubeless-compatible) Light-Bicycle

    The rims are really nice! I am gonna rebuild them though with lighter spokes, my wheelbuilder built them with straight gauge and they're heaver than I expected. I think I'll be able to take around 3/4 of a pound out by using lighter spokes.

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    Who's your wheel builder? Unless you weigh north of 250lbs I can't see the why of using straight spokes, heck I think DB spokes build up easier and better than straight spokes to be honest, love me some DT Swiss Comps.

    Quote Originally Posted by YamaDan View Post
    I got the one's from here, Wider carbon mountain 29er rims clincher(tubeless-compatible) Light-Bicycle

    The rims are really nice! I am gonna rebuild them though with lighter spokes, my wheelbuilder built them with straight gauge and they're heaver than I expected. I think I'll be able to take around 3/4 of a pound out by using lighter spokes.
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    OK, so 99.2 miles later, loving the Czar! Been almost all pavement due to shoulder issues, but, I have been told by the Dr that I'm healing well, and as long as I don't crash on it, I'm not going to hurt it, so....

    Yesterday I did 3150 vertical. As you'd expect, the bike is fast. I did the ride with a buddy on his road bike.. He has nick named the bike "Orange Crush." I had zero issues maintaining a 22 mph "easy" pace on the road. On the climb, I dropped him with out issue. This bike is FAST! Here's the ride:

    Mountain Bike Ride Profile | 32miles near Lake Forest | Times and Records | Strava

    So, I'm a mile off 100.. here's the next build tip..

    Check everything to make sure it's tight. Same as before, start with your 3mm, and work your way up.

    Cranks are a biggie here.



    Derailleur cables stretch, so readjust them as needed. Just a couple turns at the bars should be good.







    Clean and lube the chain.

    Check the head set. With the bike on the ground, grab the front brake and rock the bike back and forth, grab the top of the headset and feel for movement. Adjust if needed.



    Check the spoke tension, it should feel about the same all the way around.





    Now go ride some more! I am! This bike is awesome! or for you guys on the East coast, this bike is Wicked awesome!

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    Fixed the bandwidth issues, you should be able to see the pics again... darn Photobucket.

    Ride report here:

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    What is your air compressor set up? Looks better than what I have. Also, what rims are you using?
    Thanks. Bike looks fabulous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpenglow View Post
    What is your air compressor set up? Looks better than what I have. Also, what rims are you using?
    Thanks. Bike looks fabulous.
    Check out post #68 for the rims, the compressor is just a Husky from Home Depot, I attached an old presta valve to the airgun attachment. Works great!

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    277 miles later I can say this IS the best bike I've ever had. It's faster on the flats with little effort.. and It just begs to be ridden. I did Meadows for the first time since my broken clavicle, and first time on this bike, just cruising, even paused for a hiker, and still managed a 4 min flat.. I think my best time was a 3:51.. So without pushing it, I was able to get within 9 seconds...nice!

    So follow up with the build, since the wheels are built up, I like to check the spoke tension. Work your way around the wheel, if they feel tight, just true the wheel. If they feel loose, work your way around the rim tightening in 1/8th turn increments. Recheck the spokes.

    I cleaned off the dirt, gave it a coat of quickwax, and tensioned the spokes.. the rest of the bike is perfect!

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    How is the 120 fork working out? I'm running 100, and some hand issues are pointing me at a 120, but I don't want to pull the trigger without hearing firsthand that the handling, balance, etc. remain fine.

    It is SO good with the 100, but just too harsh on many of my "backyard" trails.

    Thanks!
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    As far as the 120.. I recommend it. This is as quick or quicker handling than any 26er I've ever had. The run down Meadows is single track, switchbacks, loose off camber corners. I had no pushing issues of any sort through any of the corners, which tells me the bike is well balanced. I'm really happy with the feel of the bike.

    Check the ride report I've been doing as well. I think you'll like the 120.

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    Excellent write up and thread. My current trail bike is a Tallboy AL v1 with plans to move up to a Tallboy C v2 next year, but after seeing the Czar, the waters are muddy. Beautiful bike and I love the orange. Unfortunately, the closest Turner dealer and demo ride is 6 hours away in Miami.
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    Hey Yamadan, Have you changed the spokes on your wheels yet? Wondering what you think of the DT Revolutions spokes

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    Quote Originally Posted by YamaDan View Post
    As far as the 120.. I recommend it. This is as quick or quicker handling than any 26er I've ever had. The run down Meadows is single track, switchbacks, loose off camber corners. I had no pushing issues of any sort through any of the corners, which tells me the bike is well balanced. I'm really happy with the feel of the bike.

    Check the ride report I've been doing as well. I think you'll like the 120.

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    I'm leaning hard towards trying the 120. A little worried about bar height, but I suspect I would adjust quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauffy View Post
    Hey Yamadan, Have you changed the spokes on your wheels yet? Wondering what you think of the DT Revolutions spokes
    I did, I dropped 97 grams per wheel. They're great! The rims are already stiff, so in my opinion, you don't need super stiff spokes. The wheels are plenty stiff with this setup.

    I'm gonna play with some other things, my goal is to get in the 24 pound range. Right now with the XT build, I'm solid in the 25 pound range. With the higher end XTR parts I would have been looking for 23 pounds! LOL It never ends!!

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    Ok, 500 miles later, I can honestly say this is the best mountain bike I've ever ridden. I did the San Jaun trail today, have never ridden a 29er on it for fear of the switchbacks. No need to fear with the Czar!! It has *****en bike handling characteristics! Cleaned all the switchbacks save the one in the middle section, that was more me running out of talent than the bike. Though the ruts, the Czar was precise..you need that to avoid whacking cranks on the side and the rocks. It was calm and predictable though pretty much anything the trail trough at me. Popping up on ledges, dropping off of then, the front end was planted in every situation, even to the point of I put the front wheel in a berm/rut on a switchback, and my momentum launched me off the side! LOL I ran it out. No harm to the Czar, well, a grip got chewed.. So the next big ride is Cannel Plunge Saturday.. I'll post up more then!


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    Just got back from Kernville.. I did both the Cannel Plunge and Just Outstanding bike trails on the Czar.

    Any questions on "can the Czar be an awesome trail bike" were laid to rest. I was able to solicit disparaging words of disbelief as I came through a rocky switchback on the lower section of the Plunge from a group on long travel bikes walking the section..

    I think that was the best part.. he he..

    Look for full ride report with some pics later..

    Oh, and to quote a friend who was riding a Rip RDO.. "Your bike just feels like an extension of you when you're riding it.. mine I feel like I'm riding on top of it..."

    There was some serious Czar envy going on!!


    Love love love this bike!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YamaDan View Post

    There was some serious Czar envy going on!!!
    Yeah I've got a bit of that myself. Your reports aren't helping.

    The Czar keeps looking better and better to me. Can't wait to ride one.
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    Great build thread. Your rig looks great, and I'm sure it's a blast to ride. Enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YamaDan View Post
    I set the derailleur set screws before I put the chain on.. just easier to do that way...

    Hi and low on the rear..





    Then high and low on the front.





    I bottom out both shifters, pulling the cable tight, and tighten the end nut.

    I click through to make sure I have travel on both the front and the rear, then I click to big big.. I want to make sure the chain will reach. You can also go small small, and pull so the rear cage on the rear derailleur just put tension on it, but I like big big tight. As it worked out, no need to remove links. Woot!

    Make sure when putting on the 10 speed chain, you have the lettering out.

    It's easy to miss this..







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    Push the pin in with a chin tool til it clicks. Snap off the guide pin with some pliers, and spin through the gears. Make sure they all work.

    Back to the front wheel, the adjustment is a little tougher than the rear. remove the little cover, and adjust the QR15 axle to your desired position. Put the cover back.





    Next, get your 5mm, 4mm, 4mm torque and 3mm allens. Use the 4mm torque on the bars and anything spec-ing 5nm..stem..



    take each allen and go through the bike one bolt at a time and make sure everything is tight. Once you're done with the 5mm, go to the 4mm...and so on.

    Check the cranks and the pedals.. You get the idea.

    Ok, Im going to bed, tomorrow we'll tackle sag!

    Here's what she looks like now..

    Rode her around a little to get the creaks out of the wheels.. she's really nice.

    I'll get the seat adjusted and get the sag set, and we should be good!!



    Just now reading your thread. I love negative rise stems and riser bars, with a little bit of over fork! Killer for the ups and the downs!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmats View Post
    Excellent idea with the cotton tape. One suggestion, maybe you can take the cable guide off, wrap the chain stay and use a Xacto blade or pointed spoke to poke a hole through the tape and put the guide back on? Just seems like it'd look a bit cleaner.
    I copied YamaDan's cotton tape idea, but under the cable guides like gmats suggested. I like it!


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    Looks good! Going to have to do something like that on my Czar.

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    Thanks everyone! Loving this bike! Over 1k on it.. Still can't get over how good it is!

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    Just built -

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    So just built up...night ride this evening! Very excited Though still waiting on my new wheels and forks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by YamaDan View Post
    The Enduro PF30 has dust seals, if you're using the FSA cranks, these need to come off. The FSA cranks have a step in their version to seat on the bearing race.
    EDIT: never mind. I tried the Sram and it was terribly tight. Enduro caps it is.

    But leaving for others:

    I've got the same BB, and just bought a Sram X0 crank to run the Czar single ring. Any idea which dust caps to use (my options are below -- SRAM left, Enduro right)? I'm not seeing anything in either the SRAM nor Wheels Manufacturing install manuals.

    I tried first with the Enduro caps and I'm not impressed with how smoothly the scrank spins. I'll try the SRAM caps tonight, but it doesn't seem like I should be guessing here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matto6 View Post
    EDIT: never mind. I tried the Sram and it was terribly tight. Enduro caps it is.

    But leaving for others:

    I've got the same BB, and just bought a Sram X0 crank to run the Czar single ring. Any idea which dust caps to use (my options are below -- SRAM left, Enduro right)? I'm not seeing anything in either the SRAM nor Wheels Manufacturing install manuals.

    I tried first with the Enduro caps and I'm not impressed with how smoothly the scrank spins. I'll try the SRAM caps tonight, but it doesn't seem like I should be guessing here.

    Yeah I'm not running either. I ended up just running the bearing without the Wheels seal.. way smoother.

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    I'll play....My XL Czar.Best race/trail bike I have ever owned.
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    Hi there,
    I have read your whole thread and I must congratulate you on it.
    I like the Abec 5 angular contact and I want to build with Shimano XT 24x38, You know if I need the conversion kit no. 2 chris king?
    https://www.turnerbikes.com/turner-p..._PFBB_info.pdf
    Thanks for responding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfonsote View Post
    Hi there,
    I have read your whole thread and I must congratulate you on it.
    I like the Abec 5 angular contact and I want to build with Shimano XT 24x38, You know if I need the conversion kit no. 2 chris king?
    https://www.turnerbikes.com/turner-p..._PFBB_info.pdf
    Thanks for responding.
    try the Praxis Works conversion BB, they work fine with Shimano crank!

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    Looks good, I will try it.

    Thanks, xuzuohang.

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