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    Trying out the new Geax AKA 29er tomorrow

    Just swapped out my back tire from an Aspen, which I really like and am trying the new AKA 29er. It looks very fast and a couple of guys on my team have liked it.

    Hoping to get a bit better cornering and more confidence the tire won't flat over a rocky course this weekend.
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    i am really thinking about swapping my older sagauro

    looking forward to hearing how it works out
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    How is it size wise? the saguaros are BIG and won't fit in my Dos because they diameter is so big.
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    Waiting with bated breath....
    These with a TNT bead will be exactly what I'm waiting for.

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    Where'd you get 'em? I just ordered a pair of Ikon's (only available in non-tubeless ready) cuz I couldn't find any AKAs and meltingfeather needs tread badly.
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    Meltingfeather... where did you find the Ikons? I have looked around and haven't been able to find them anywhere. I am awaiting the reports from Twentynineinches on the AKA to see which one has less rolling resistance. I think for my terrain, mostly loose over hardpack, either will be perfect. Please get us real-world weights too!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash
    Meltingfeather... where did you find the Ikons? I have looked around and haven't been able to find them anywhere.
    LBS is getting them from BTI if QBP doesn't have any.
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    I am awaiting the reports from Twentynineinches on the AKA to see which one has less rolling resistance.
    A definite +1 for the AKA is the availability of TNT. I can't figure what Maxxis' deal is with missing the tubeless ready train completely and the rep(s) here ain't touching it. They got my business anyway with the new tread (you wouldn't catch me on an Ignitor or Crossmark) anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter, but if I tear a sidewall you can bet they're getting tossed for a pair of TNTs and that'll be that.
    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash
    I think for my terrain, mostly loose over hardpack, either will be perfect. Please get us real-world weights too!!!
    I'm the guy that maintains the 29er tire weight spreadsheet, so you can bet I'll hit it w/my new Maxxis treads as soon as I see 'em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    LBS is getting them from BTI if QBP doesn't have any.

    A definite +1 for the AKA is the availability of TNT. I can't figure what Maxxis' deal is with missing the tubeless ready train completely and the rep(s) here ain't touching it. They got my business anyway with the new tread (you wouldn't catch me on an Ignitor or Crossmark) anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter, but if I tear a sidewall you can bet they're getting tossed for a pair of TNTs and that'll be that.

    I'm the guy that maintains the 29er tire weight spreadsheet, so you can bet I'll hit it w/my new Maxxis treads as soon as I see 'em.
    my two Ikons were 520.2, 513.4 - both regular casing prototypes.

    FWIW - I ran Ignitors/Crossmarks just fine on Flows. Most reports on the TNT Saguaros indicate difficulty getting them on the Flows, let along getting them off trailside. Never tried it myself, don't own Flows anymore - but then again, I'm not in a thorn-prone area that requires tubeless so me and my big fat tubed Gordos are happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenLightGo
    FWIW - I ran Ignitors/Crossmarks just fine on Flows. Most reports on the TNT Saguaros indicate difficulty getting them on the Flows, let along getting them off trailside. Never tried it myself, don't own Flows anymore - but then again, I'm not in a thorn-prone area that requires tubeless so me and my big fat tubed Gordos are happy.
    I'm confused... was somebody talking about Flows?
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    Yeah little confused there too but I guess the Flows are the quintisential tubeless rim. I am in a thorn prone area (Northern Nevada Desert) so I need something that will have good sidewalls and will probably run tubeless starting out on either EQ27's or WTB Dual Duties (whatever I can find cheapest).

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    can't speak to flows but I can get the TNT saguaros on and off my UST XT wheels just fine, albeit they are tight. But they air up with a floor pump and no sealant and the sidewalls will likely survive the holocaust, and I've heard the non TNT set up tubeless just fine as well, though I've only tried the one I have tubed. Really looking forward to trying out AKA. Saguaros have pretty much become my favorite tire ever.
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    Bike 29.com has IKON tires. He showed them on his blog today.

    GEAX AKA folding bead: 690/700 grams
    GEAX AKA TNT: 730grams

    (Just thought I'd help ya out there Meltingfeather )

    more on these tires later...........
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    My bro has a set of wire bead AKAs. I guess it uses a different durometer? I'll quiz him about it.

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    Definitely do and see if you can get some weights for him. Reading this months MBAction magazine and the Kenda Slant Six 29" 2.2 look interesting too, Meant to be directly between the super fast rolling SB8 and the Gnarly Nevi... kinda a best of both worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Bike 29.com has IKON tires. He showed them on his blog today.

    GEAX AKA folding bead: 690/700 grams
    GEAX AKA TNT: 730grams

    (Just thought I'd help ya out there Meltingfeather )

    more on these tires later...........
    Awwww... thanks, but I don't see either for sale on the website.
    If the Ikons set-up & perform well tubeless the weight factor is going to be a big +1 for them. My TNT Saguaros weigh ~760g.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    If the Ikons set-up & perform well tubeless the weight factor is going to be a big +1 for them. My TNT Saguaros weigh ~760g.
    Which ones did you order? The Exo version, or non-Exo?
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    Finally following up. Had the AKA 29er Folding on a 09 RIP with AC Tubeless rims. Set up fine. The tire tread looks fantastic (came from SB8 to Aspen to AKA).

    Bottom line is they are a little more beefy on the sidewalls, no noticeable speed disadvantage from the Aspen better cornering in twisty singletrack but with a weight penalty.

    If I'm racing a mostly straight XC track, i will stick w/ the Aspen on the back. Anything else (and just riding for fun) I'll stick w/ the AKA.

    Last word: If this tire looks like it will appeal to your riding style, you will not be disappointed.

    PS. Geax sponsors our race team, that is how I got them.
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    Pics of it on the rims if you dont mind... More interested in seeing what these look like than what the mfg "makes" them look like!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bholwell
    Which ones did you order? The Exo version, or non-Exo?
    EXO
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    Here you go
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Trying out the new Geax AKA 29er tomorrow-img_1881.jpg  

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    Sweet.. TwentyNineInches just posted their first impressions review and seems pretty good. Think I may have to pick up a pair of these as they are really liking them and seems like it would be a good item for my riding terrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash
    Sweet.. TwentyNineInches just posted their first impressions review and seems pretty good. Think I may have to pick up a pair of these as they are really liking them and seems like it would be a good item for my riding terrain.
    agreed.
    they're next in line after i struck out on getting a pair of IKONs
    i love my TNT Saguaros, but am looking to try something new just because and hopefully get a little weight savings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    agreed.
    they're next in line after i struck out on getting a pair of IKONs
    i love my TNT Saguaros, but am looking to try something new just because and hopefully get a little weight savings.
    Only place I can find them on the net right now is Ben's Cycle at $40/ea... Not a bad price at all and just might have my LBS order me a set!

    Boomin: Do you have the tires setup in speed or traction direction? I like how they have the ability to be setup in a "traction" specific direction. WOuld be nice to set them up in the speed orientation when I know that I am going on a trail that does not require a lot of traction. Even still seems that the traction specific direction does not have a lot of rolling resistance. These are just looking better and better!!!

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    According to GEAX the supply in the U.S. is pretty limited right now. There are very few TNT versions left, maybe a handfull of folders. The next wave of these is to hit mid-December/mid-January.

    If you score some now, consider yourself lucky!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    According to GEAX the supply in the U.S. is pretty limited right now. There are very few TNT versions left, maybe a handfull of folders. The next wave of these is to hit mid-December/mid-January.

    If you score some now, consider yourself lucky!
    Looks like I'm sticking with Ralphs. Maybe next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomingSooner
    Finally following up. Had the AKA 29er Folding on a 09 RIP with AC Tubeless rims. Set up fine. The tire tread looks fantastic (came from SB8 to Aspen to AKA).

    Bottom line is they are a little more beefy on the sidewalls, no noticeable speed disadvantage from the Aspen better cornering in twisty singletrack but with a weight penalty.

    If I'm racing a mostly straight XC track, i will stick w/ the Aspen on the back. Anything else (and just riding for fun) I'll stick w/ the AKA.

    Last word: If this tire looks like it will appeal to your riding style, you will not be disappointed.

    PS. Geax sponsors our race team, that is how I got them.
    W0W, those look sweeeet! Can't wait for some ride reports and measurements!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natedogz
    W0W, those look sweeeet! Can't wait for some ride reports and measurements!
    Some preliminary measurements from 29".com
    http://twentynineinches.com/2010/11/...t-impressions/

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    Update!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    According to GEAX the supply in the U.S. is pretty limited right now. There are very few TNT versions left, maybe a handfull of folders. The next wave of these is to hit mid-December/mid-January.

    If you score some now, consider yourself lucky!
    Seems that Bike Mine, the GEAX distributor in the U.S., does actually have a decent supply of TNT AKA 29"er tires after all. The contact I have made a mistake and was looking at another product # when he forwarded me my last message. Now he has corrected his mistake with this new update.

    AKA 29"er tires can be had through LBS who deal with Bike Mine
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    GT,

    I talked to you once before about tires in the midwest and you stated The Captain was it. How does this compare?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Pink57
    GT,

    I talked to you once before about tires in the midwest and you stated The Captain was it. How does this compare?
    I don't know yet. It's been so dry and the trails are hardpacked- just perfect for AKA's. So, until/if things ever change with trail conditions, I won't have an answer.

    My gut feeling is that for all around use, the Captain still would be best.
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    I'm running it in the speed direction. I don't believe the tire says speed/traction on the tire like the Sag. It just says "direction" or something like that with the arrow pointing one way.
    I would do speed anyway first until I felt I needed more grip.

    This is a quick tire...at least on par w/ the Aspen, which is saying a bunch.
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    H@BoomingSooner, yes I'd run it speed direction first too. ow do these compare to the Saguaro in speed and traction on different terrain types?
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    I was getting to order this tire from Bens Cycles but is now sold out. Anybody know of any other online places to order this tire.

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    looks like im getting this one compared to the Saguaros, which im also having a hard time finding a pair...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcuerpo
    looks like im getting this one compared to the Saguaros...
    Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natedogz
    Why?
    Hi Nate

    Good 29er tires are a bit hard to come by in this part of the world (Philippines).

    Pcuerpo : Check out All Terra or Bike Town - they may have the AKAs and Sags

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    Quote Originally Posted by agu
    Hi Nate

    Good 29er tires are a bit hard to come by in this part of the world (Philippines).

    Pcuerpo : Check out All Terra or Bike Town - they may have the AKAs and Sags
    Ahh, I see. Good luck hope you get the tires you want. Mail order is prolly expensive for shipping too.
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    agu, i was able to get hold already of AKAs, got them from BTC... thanks for pointing that out! found also in Gran Trail a pair of Saguaros but still decided to go with this one and see how it goes...

    Natdogz, thats right... i just hope the 29er scene picks up already here in our place... and it is somewhat lighter compared to the Saguaros thats why i chose this...
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    weather's been too wet to try the AKAs, but my bike has been shod for a year and a half now with the Sags. Despite the weight they roll really nicely and offer quite a bit of grip.

    we're doing what we can to offer more 29er choices in the local market

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    I don't have AKA's on my 29er but had them on my 26 inch xc bike. They do work very well but I experienced VERY fast tread wear on the rear. Albeit, I'm in AZ, so the terrain is rocky, but lots of knobs tore off and a large chunk tore off with a knob and exposed the threads in the tire. I did like them while they lasted (2 months max). Hopefully the 29er version is better.

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    Anymore feedback on these? Just found them on the Performance Bike website for $47 ea! Might have to pick one up for the back and the Saguaro up front!

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    I only have 3-4 hours on my AKA TNT 2.2x29 on the rear in "traction" direction and of a FS. Here is my FWIW as I'm a relative noob, so consider the source This tire replaced an Exiwolf 2.3.
    On rock faces, much better grip- made me woohoo!! on some nemesis rocks. Braking in loose/sand or loose over hard, better, but the exi was not so good here at all. It lost it's tits alot quicker than I would have expected, but the compound seems pretty tacky and with sharp edges, hence the rocky traction. It seemed to slip driving up hills more than I was expecting, but some of that IS a technique issue If I were to tweak the design, I'd make the knobs a bit bigger But again, consider the source LOL

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    mounted a set of folding on my wheels last week and did a 6 hr race on them.....went from nano's to them. Like them alot ran them in the speed direction and they had plenty of grip, think small block 8 with teeth! They would drift in deep sand but just about any tire would. Have been VERY happy with them and have a week on them, in dusty over hardpack, and rocky terrain. The "nubs" wore off by the end of the 6 hr race, but for the $ and grip for a race tire that is to be expected. So far I am really happy with them an put them on my Top Fuel as well.

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    What would be better for a front rigid race tire? The AKA's or Continental Race Kings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D1PHAM
    What would be better for a front rigid race tire? The AKA's or Continental Race Kings?
    The answer to that depends on the terrain, types of soils, and your descending skills. We have no clue about those important factors, so the answer is "It depends."
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    The answer to that depends on the terrain, types of soils, and your descending skills. We have no clue about those important factors, so the answer is "It depends."
    Got it. Mostly smooth dry dusty singletrack and fireroads. No real mud or rocks.

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    The AKA's have a great compound, they are supple and really hook up great. They are fast rolling and although the tread pattern is similar to the SB8, they are worlds better than the SB8's IMHO. The only downside to the AKA, is that they are a little heavier than other tires of similar size and shape. They are right around 700g.
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    I'd trust the AKA over the Race King as a front any day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I'd trust the AKA over the Race King as a front any day.

    GT, thanks for the information. I just put in an order for a AKA. How are the AKAs with regards to volume/suppleness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D1PHAM
    GT, thanks for the information. I just put in an order for a AKA. How are the AKAs with regards to volume/suppleness?
    There's the rub- GEAX casings, (especially the TNT versions), are not all that "supple'. (Not in the Schwalbe kind of way) That said, they are tough, the tread seems to be wearing really well, and with lower air pressures, you get a feel and performance that is on par with the lighter, more supple casings. Not the same, but similar.

    I'd still go with an AKA in most cases on hard pack though. That tire just rails.
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