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    Quote Originally Posted by dave2ndln
    Oh and as far as it being flexy. It seems everyone is basing this on nothing but looking at the bike. I haven't taken it on trail at all but I'd be surprised if one could notice any more flex than any other steel bike. Steel flexes, and that is why people prefer it in many cases over the harsh ride of an aluminum frame. The dual top tube I would think gives it more lateral stiffness and the curved tubing seems it would add to the amount of up and down flex that you would probably like on a rigid mountain bike. The bike is shaped like a giant leaf spring. I think that is a plus.

    This is all based on speculation. I don't claim to be an expert on the minutiae of the things people seem to obsess over on forums sometimes. All that being said, personally, I would not be too worried about flex as a factor but test ride it first if you get a chance.
    seriously, all those tubes...

    my Hunter has zero flex
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    thanks for the review! can't wait to throw my leg over one...

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    We got a Sawyer in yesterday, and have three more coming in next week... One of them is mine - I will be converting to SS as soon as I can. Rode the 17.5 that we got around a bit today - no dirt, as things are uber-muddy here after a few days of rain. Thinking that when mine gets here (Tuesday?) I'll have a couple of days to get it dialed in as SS set-up and maybe get it in the dirt next weekend...? Feels very nimble just riding it around, and it felt good riding it over some speedbumps and hitting some potholes, etc.... we'll have to see what happens when it's in the dirt, but I think it's going to be a pretty nice riding SS - will fatten the tires up a bit tho!
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    pics!

    i have one on order that should ship next week. how about some pics??? i am really curious abou the color...i have seen some pics where it looks light grey, and some where it looks dark grey....can someone verify???

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott
    Feels very nimble just riding it around, and it felt good riding it over some speedbumps and hitting some potholes, etc....
    ahhh, the definitive "speedbump" test.....

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    Pics!

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    Pretty cool bike. Just got a 19" in and built. Very long in the cockpit. Handlebars are awesome. 30lbs stock. Sorry for the fuzz.

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    Sorry too big, here you go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edgerat
    ahhh, the definitive "speedbump" test.....
    Yeah - didn't want to go out and motoslosh the new bike on the floor.... I don't generally ride over anything that is speedbump sized on a trail ride without compensating greatly - so hitting one in a relatively rigid posture does actually give you an idea of compliance... This isn't "soft" but it sure maintained composure and didn't feel like the hit stung. That said - when I get mine in on Tuesday or so, I'm going to throw a 29-4 TLR on the front, and put that front tire on the rear. Rear tire is a bit small on the back end of the Sawyer.
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    The LBS (Sharp Bicycle, Lafayette, CA) was building up a 19" today. Handsome frame, value bike. The brace within the unicrown fork was an odd choice for style. The powdercoat (paint?) is matte primer and quite understated which enhances the lines. The chainstay comes apart for belt drive and even though comes geared, single speed ready with the "sliders".
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    Quote Originally Posted by rekt23
    Pretty cool bike. Just got a 19" in and built. Very long in the cockpit. Handlebars are awesome. 30lbs stock. Sorry for the fuzz.
    A 30lb rigid bike? I admit that it's good-looking, but wow, that's a boat anchor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aabbas
    A 30lb rigid bike? I admit that it's good-looking, but wow, that's a boat anchor.
    I'm pretty sure my Hunter is around that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rekt23
    Pretty cool bike. Just got a 19" in and built. Very long in the cockpit. Handlebars are awesome. 30lbs stock. Sorry for the fuzz.
    Those are the crivitz bars. I got some to put on my commuter. (Steel hardtail w/RLT reba)
    My first alt bars. I like them.
    30lbs yikes! let the weight weenie wars begin! Anyone wanna bet somebody will have a 20lb SS in less then a month?
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    Being 6'2" and over 250... A 30lbs bike does not scare me.
    A 20lbs bike would scare me...I would break it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadzilla81
    Being 6'2" and over 250... A 30lbs bike does not scare me.
    A 20lbs bike would scare me...I would break it.
    I'm not sure if a heavy bike means that it won't break
    or if a lightweight bike can withstand similar loads...

    for what its worth, I ride the hunter a whole lot, in a wide range of conditions, and durability was paramount in the build.
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    Hey, MY!

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellow Yellow
    This looks like a cool bike to "kick around" with, but I wouldn't make it my primary mtb bike. It and the Raleigh XXIX have similar issues... flexie. good luck.
    Good to hear from you. Haven't seen your name on this board in a couple years.

    Hope things are going well.

    Keep on riding!

    Oh, and is it just me, or whenever anybody mentions this bike, does Rush Tom Sawyer start earworming anybody else? ... or is it just me?

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    Oh man, that is just crushing tone. Love it.
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    BTW, got to ride a Sawyer today at Endless Cycles in Castro Valley. (ATBScott's shop.... sweet shop, BTW... stop by if your in the neighborhood!)

    Fun bike. I dig it. Yeah, it is a bit on the portly side, but had a good feel in the parking lot, despite being way too short for me. I'd love to get it on the trail. I think it was a 17".

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    Where's my sawyer!!! lbs says it still sounds like late january till it arrives. is it because i didn't order one till late september and so i'm farther back in line? when did you guys order yours?

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    I was told by my LBS it depended on how many he ordered 5 or more would delay shipment. Mine is supposed to ship tomorrow. (fingers crossed)

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    I just saw a Sawyer at the LBS. Not really a fan of the geometry or the look in pictures. Will say that it looks great in person. Didn't ride it, so I can't say that the geometry is any better or worse.

    The interesting thing for me was the fork- which had eyelets. Given the fork design, I'm not sure if there is enough room for fenders with a larger tire, much less have a place to mount it at the crown... Since it is a mountain bike, no biggie, just thought it was interesting.

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    Threw a set of the 29-4 tires on the Sawyer we have on the floor (yeah Pimp - it's a 17.5") and the tires looked uber-fat on the Duster rims - and there was pretty good clearance as well - Now - just have to get a good SS hub quickly to get that rim built up on a wide-flange-spacing hub. The bars feel pretty good - but may have to throw a pair of Titec J-bars on since I don't think I'll be riding with gears...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATBScott
    Threw a set of the 29-4 tires on the Sawyer we have on the floor (yeah Pimp - it's a 17.5") and the tires looked uber-fat on the Duster rims - and there was pretty good clearance as well - Now - just have to get a good SS hub quickly to get that rim built up on a wide-flange-spacing hub. The bars feel pretty good - but may have to throw a pair of Titec J-bars on since I don't think I'll be riding with gears...
    pics of that please
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    Finally got my Sawyer built up SS today... Changed the crank to my older XT crank, rear wheel is off my old SS - waiting for spokes to build the Duster rim on a new wheel... Weight is just under 28 lbs with the Mallet pedals and the fatter front tire (Bonty 29-4 29 x 2.35"). Can't wait to get it out in the dirt - of course it's raining...


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    Mine's built and as promised a pic...but 1st some info:

    Out of the box weight was 28.5lbs, built up my way (SS - which is the only way for me) it weighs 24lbs...Tubeless Stans Arch wheels (stock tires), Magura Marta brakes, USE Ti seatpost, and a heavy Shimano crank.

    Rides great (as expected from a steel frame)...love it! Can't wait to paint it my colors.

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    I wish I never looked at this thread.
    I have major lust for a Retrotec classic now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super E
    Rides great (as expected from a steel frame)...love it! Can't wait to paint it my colors.
    Yeah, no doubt. This this is SCREAMING to be painted candy apple red. Or something else just as dramatic and fun.

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    Can anyone please post photos of the frame's tire clearance? Thanks in advance.

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    Got mine yesterday...

    I got mine yesterday....19". Built it up with all the parts I had on my 2009 Superfly HT. I plan to put a different seatpost on and I would like to try out the Crivitz handlebar but for ease of build, I just through on everything I had as it was. As it sits, with the low-end\ancient SPD pedals, it sits at 27.5lbs. I will try to trail-test it tonight...if I can get there before the rains move in.
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    Has anyone tried setting one up with a belt drive yet? We will be looking at the set up tomorrow. My boss tried to get it together the other day, but ran into some snags. We are going to start over from scratch. Just wondered if it had been done yet.

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    Sawyer order???

    I was at a local bike shop the other day and asked about delivery time....the warehouse in Ca. had seven of the 17" bikes in stock. I would be able to get one by next week, I am surprised to here this as most people who already ordered are still waiting. I held back my wallet for now!!!! The bikes look great so far but lets see the belt drives!!! RRR

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    I'll post up some pics if I can get the belt drive going. The boss told me that he was not able to get the belt line working at all. When he got the front ring in line, it hit the chainstay. He also mentioned that when he got the ring away from the stay, that the cog rubbed on the derailleur hanger. So far, there is no SS only right dropout, so we may just have to cut the hanger off.

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    Nice looking bikes, I am definately a fan of the cruiser style! The Sawyer reminds of the OX Brand Ti Cruiser from the early days of 29ers, picture below. Not mine, but I am currently building one up. Keep the pictures coming!
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    Got mine last week. Hated the handlebars...thought they were ridiculous...and replaced them with a flat bar of similar width. Other than that I like it a lot. It looks cool and is very comfortable. Don't laugh. I use it as my road bike. I had a "dropped bar" bike but I don't like those flimsy things, not to mention I like the option of cutting through a dirt road if I have to.

    Speed? It keeps rolling once you get it going even into a stiff breeze. Weight? Who cares? I weigh 230 pounds...the extra eight pounds difference between it and my former Cannondale Synapse is unimportant and I'd rather have the extra bike. I'm taking the Sawyer to Crete this Summer and I want more metal under me.

    Not to mention it is a rolling work of art.

    My other bike is a Specialzed Enduro SL Comp so you see I like bikes that are a little beefy.

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    got a test ride in before the ice!

    We had some rain that turned to sleet which in turn froze to everything it landed on as the temps went down yesterday afternoon here in Atlanta, so I hauled butt up to Big Creek and got a lap and half in before the pandemonium ensued.

    Overall, the bike is awesome although it's disappointingly heavy even with all the light stuff on it. On the trail it rode great....I will have to get used to how the bike hits with a rigid fork vs 100mm of travel like on my two SuperFlys as well as how incredibly heavy it feels going up hill. I didn't sense any 'flex' in the frame...ride quality wise, it was everything I could ask for especially considering I was on about as rocky and rooty a trail I could find in-town. My guess is it will be a little more enjoyable on more flowing trails like Blankets Creek and Chicopee Woods as well as the Pinhote trails all here in Georgia, as well as Tsali up in North Carolina. My main goal was a bike I could kick around on with the kids and occasionally take out this winter on slower 'hang-out' rides....I'll reserve the SuperFlys for the days we plan to 'fly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by schnee
    Yeah, no doubt. This this is SCREAMING to be painted candy apple red. Or something else just as dramatic and fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    Where's my sawyer!!!
    Dude! Where is your Sawyer?

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    I'm liking this thread.
    27.5lbs, sounds good to me.
    I'd guess my Hunter is around the same.
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    Took the Sawyer out to some nearby trails. I'm in Louisiana but it is pretty hilly and rooty where I live. The bike performed well on our usual root-a-palooza. I had to get out of the saddle for a lot for obtacles I don't even notice on my M1 Abrahms Specialized Enduro but it was an enjoyable ride. I haven't ridden a rigid frame since the mid-nineties when I had a Bridgestone MB-4 and it brought back memories. The 29-inch wheels may have a lot to do with it but I was able to clear a lot of stuff I thought would give me more trouble. The frame is very stiff (to me) and I didn't notice any flex in the wheels. There are some advantages to a 30-pound bike. It climbs well with the gear ratios supplied but this may be because it's a rigid bike.

    But basicly I'm using it a road bike. I just happened to go by the trail head and couldn't resist.

    As far as set-up I have Easton EA70 bars with Specialized Body Geometry grips and their Ergonomic Bar Ends (for climbing and changing hand position). I use the Specialized Expedition Saddle (gigantic with springs and everything) on this bike and all of my bikes for that matter. How you guys can ride those plastic anvils even with padding is beyond me. I have Crank Brother Candy pedals on it and the rest is stock. As I mentioned, the original handlebars are ridiculous and I don't care if Gary fisher picked them out.

    I know there are some detractors here but it's a cool bike with a custom look and very nice for those of us who don't want to spend the money for a true custom bike. Pretty fly for a production bike put out by a big company in other words.

    My back hurt a little after the ride. I am probably too used to plush full-suspension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1
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    Had to be the first to say it.

    You pulled the words outta my mouth....RUSHHHHH.

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    "As I mentioned, the original handlebars are ridiculous and I don't care if Gary fisher picked them out."

    I have been using these bars for about a month and they seem to be alright.
    My first alt bars.
    Care to expound what is the ridiculousity about them?

    For those of you who care they are a flat 690mm bar with 25 degree sweep.


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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    "As I mentioned, the original handlebars are ridiculous and I don't care if Gary fisher picked them out."

    I have been using these bars for about a month and they seem to be alright.
    My first alt bars.
    Care to expound what is the ridiculousity about them?

    For those of you who care they are a flat 690mm bar with 25 degree sweep.


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    Hand position is awkward, for me anyway. Tried them for a few days hoping I'd like them.

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    I've been eyeing those bars myself

    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    "As I mentioned, the original handlebars are ridiculous and I don't care if Gary fisher picked them out."

    I have been using these bars for about a month and they seem to be alright.
    My first alt bars.
    Care to expound what is the ridiculousity about them?

    For those of you who care they are a flat 690mm bar with 25 degree sweep.


    see here:
    I've been running Titec H-Bars, but if I have one criticism of them, it's that they have a bit too much sweep for my tastes.... and they have a weird slight downward angle from the center. These look like a bit less sweep and no down bend from the midde.

    IIRC, $60 list price and 280 grams is pretty dang reasonable.

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    personally I'm using a set of On-One Mary Bars mounted upside down.

    the deal with that position is multi faceted
    as is the Hunter

    that is to say...
    the bike is pointed at multi use
    and it does all of it quite well...

    big huge monkey bars, full suspension, obviously is a single pointed focus on ride technical dirt.

    rigid, and funky trippy bars, are about "mixed terrain" <-- dare I say?
    aka: fire roads, pavement, pace lines, handle bar bags, and coping with dirt.

    those specific bars that are spec'd on the Sawyer, I'm not too sure about.

    the deal with any of those sweeping sections is that they need to actually be useful.
    I can't see how you'd even mount anything to it. i.e. light
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    Quote Originally Posted by schnee
    Yeah, no doubt. This this is SCREAMING to be painted candy apple red. Or something else just as dramatic and fun.
    I was thinking that green apple metallic and creme two tone color that Schwinn used to use on their beach cruisers would be pretty sweet.

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    it seems like this bike will have a wide range of use
    and of course no single handlebar will do

    I want to see it with drops and SRAM Apex
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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    "As I mentioned, the original handlebars are ridiculous and I don't care if Gary fisher picked them out."

    I have been using these bars for about a month and they seem to be alright.
    My first alt bars.
    Care to expound what is the ridiculousity about them?

    For those of you who care they are a flat 690mm bar with 25 degree sweep.


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    The OP's Sawyer

    Got my sawyer finally! Immediately stripped her down and threw on all of the parts off my old '08 rig (phil woods hubs, stans flow rims, xdx 2.1 tlr tires (tubeless), mod'd xtr crankset, WI freewheel, thomson post and stem, brooks b17, syntace vector bars, avid juicy carbon hyd. brakes, ergon gp1 grips). Weighed in at 28.6 lbs (stock, with pedals, it weighed 30.4 lbs). I definitely plan on trying the crivitz bars soon.

    First time on a G2 geo frame and so far I think I like it, although I couldn't really get an accurate feel for it in these slippery and snowy conditions. Just seems a little more nimble than the rig. the fork on this thing is super raked out and it feels/looks a little funny the first time you hop on it. Frame seems very stiff and I didn't notice any flexing. feels a little heavier compared to my rig but that was expected (weighs 1.8 lbs more). however, the weight gain is offset by the added comfort and joy of steel, imo (my first steel mtn frame!). dropouts are beautifully designed in that you don't need to adjust the brakes when you adjust the chainstay length. in addition, you don't need to adjust the chain stay length when removing or installing the rear wheel. can't wait to hit up some dirt with it!
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    Nice!

    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    Got my sawyer finally! Immediately stripped her down and threw on all of the parts off my old '08 rig (phil woods hubs, stans flow rims, xdx 2.1 tlr tires (tubeless), mod'd xtr crankset, WI freewheel, thomson post and stem, brooks b17, syntace vector bars, avid juicy carbon hyd. brakes, ergon gp1 grips). Weighed in at 28.6 lbs (stock, with pedals, it weighed 30.4 lbs). I definitely plan on trying the crivitz bars soon.

    First time on a G2 geo frame and so far I think I like it, although I couldn't really get an accurate feel for it in these slippery and snowy conditions. Just seems a little more nimble than the rig. the fork on this thing is super raked out and it feels/looks a little funny the first time you hop on it. Frame seems very stiff and I didn't notice any flexing. feels a little heavier compared to my rig but that was expected (weighs 1.8 lbs more). however, the weight gain is offset by the added comfort and joy of steel, imo (my first steel mtn frame!). dropouts are beautifully designed in that you don't need to adjust the brakes when you adjust the chainstay length. in addition, you don't need to adjust the chain stay length when removing or installing the rear wheel. can't wait to hit up some dirt with it!
    I especially like the polished silver XTR cranks. Are those M960 series with the 102mm bcd? Did you cut off the spider for the big ring?

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    "I especially like the polished silver XTR cranks. Are those M960 series with the 102mm bcd? Did you cut off the spider for the big ring?"

    thanks! yep, m960. modded them myself with a dremel tool and LOTS of elbow grease. Sometimes I wish I didn't hack off the spider so I could throw on a bash guard. oh well.

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