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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1
    As far as Gary Fisher and his "collection" goes, what you say about his company
    is what you say about society. Catch the mist, catch the myth.
    Catch the mystery, catch the drift.
    Well, thankfully...

    1.) His mind is not for rent, to any god or government
    2.) He's always hopeful, yet discontent
    3.) He knows changes aren't permanent. But change is...



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    Sawyer price

    I'll admit up front that I've already ordered one, but think I can see what the Trek bean counters were thinking when they spec'd/priced it this way. Compared to the $1,100 Cobia, the $1,429 Sawyer gets upgraded brakes, cranks, and cockpit bits that probably even much of the disparity in cost between the forks. Looking at the frames head-to-head then, it seems reasonable that the price per unit to develop and build a few thousand Sawyers out of nice quality steel (in Waterloo, I hope, although I'm not holding my breath) is going to cost way more than cranking out a bazillion more X-Cambias in Taiwan. I can see where it might cost an extra $300 to bring a Sawyer frame to market than a Cobia--that's less than the difference between a Niner EMD and MCR, for instance.

    Agree that the component spec's not much to my liking, but Trek probably wouldn't sell any more of these at $2k with Superfly builds than it will at the lower price point. Many of the ones sold, including mine, will be stripped down and reconfigured with better and/or SS builds right away--sort of like the Motobecane donor bikes, but in reverse.

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    All this machinery making modern bicycles
    Can still be open hearted
    Not so coldly charted
    It's really just a question of your honesty, yeah
    Your honesty

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    anybody get to see one of these in person yet? if so, what was your impression?

    also wondering if anybody knows when they will arrive in the shops. I was told mid january but the way some of these treks are rolling out earlier than expected who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Well, thankfully...

    1.) His mind is not for rent, to any god or government
    2.) He's always hopeful, yet discontent
    3.) He knows changes aren't permanent. But change is...

    Quote Originally Posted by kev0153
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    It's really just a question of your honesty, yeah
    Your honesty
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    Quote Originally Posted by schnee
    I wish I had a machine to stab people in the eyes across the internet. Stabby stabby.



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    Seriously on the floor...

    I wish I could add that little exchange to my signature...LOL. Funniest stuff I have seen all week on this forum! I don't know if there is enough room in my signature for the picture and the question, as well as people understanding the context of it. Plus it would peave people off due to how much room it would take up.

    Good stuff for sure!

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    JHK Sawyer SS with "Platinum Tubing"








    Like those bars.
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    anybody get to see one of these in person yet? if so, what was your impression?

    also wondering if anybody knows when they will arrive in the shops. I was told mid january but the way some of these treks are rolling out earlier than expected who knows.

    I was told this November by my shop.

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    Sounds like you guys were on top of your pre-orders.

    This bike is not about the components,AND THERE IS NO FRAMESET OPTION like some wise man said they are all getting stripped down, so I guess we will see lots of Motobecanes with this build kit. And suspension forks on the front end.
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    That JHK build is SEXY! I just thought it was a kind of cool bike until I saw that build. Awesome potential!

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    Is that a "No Shox" sticker on JHK's fork?
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    Warning. Compared to my wifes 15 year old Trek 850 my 2 Ferrous frames have rusted liked they've been dipped in the ocean. For some reason Fisher/Trek didn't treat the inside of the steel tubing. If you buy a steel bike from Trek, I highly recommend that you invest in a $7 can of framesaver.

    prphoto- That's how the Sawyer should have been marketed all along. Fun, fast, and SS. Sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ppfeifer
    Warning. Compared to my wifes 15 year old Trek 850 my 2 Ferrous frames have rusted liked they've been dipped in the ocean. For some reason Fisher/Trek didn't treat the inside of the steel tubing. If you buy a steel bike from Trek, I highly recommend that you invest in a $7 can of framesaver.

    prphoto- That's how the Sawyer should have been marketed all along. Fun, fast, and SS. Sweet.
    Actually their idea at Trek was that the Sawyer would be a "klunker-esque" type bike, so therefore the gears. Goes along with Gary's past, yada, yada, yada.....

    But yeah, I see the majority of these ending up as SS rigs, and don't forget, they have a split drop out, so you can run "The Belt", if you dare....

    Finally, there is an interesting back story to those handle bars. I wonder if anyone will guess.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by ppfeifer
    Warning. Compared to my wifes 15 year old Trek 850 my 2 Ferrous frames have rusted liked they've been dipped in the ocean. For some reason Fisher/Trek didn't treat the inside of the steel tubing. If you buy a steel bike from Trek, I highly recommend that you invest in a $7 can of framesaver.

    prphoto- That's how the Sawyer should have been marketed all along. Fun, fast, and SS. Sweet.
    I framesaver my bike when it is built and every year there after, (as neil young says "rust never sleeps")
    never heard of a frame being pretreated at the factory. Ferrous tubing is pretty thin that may explain the rust
    Like Ted says its a klunker, or check out Curtis Inglis, or Hunter, Its old school my man.
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Finally, there is an interesting back story to those handle bars. I wonder if anyone will guess.......
    I venture to guess that somebody at some point bent their riser bars either by accident or intentionally and ended up liking them better when leaned forward. Just a guess, anyway.

    Thanks for posting those pics! Can't wait until mine arrives, hopefully in November!!!

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    GT- Belt drive would be really cool, especially if it came with two belt/gear ratio offerings. I'm just sayin'.

    As far as the clunker thing goes, I'm not buying it. $1400 for a clunker is ridiculous. I can buy a crappy old beach cruiser and slap some parts on it for $150. $1400 is supposed to buy a retro bike that looks old but rides and handles like new. Below average (for this forum) X5 components should be getting razed by all of us.

    I hear ya, prphoto. I should have anticipated my rust issues since the Ferrous is made of a ferrous material. After Sunday (may last attempt at racing for 2010), I plan to strip the ol' bike down, clean out the rust (not to hijack this thread- but does anybody have suggestions?), and treat my frame.

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    Photography class?

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    Is that the butt that sits on the Azonic dunce saddle in the magazines? Gary Fisher is still cool except the little hair on the chin thing.
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    what's the story with JHK's freewheel chain guard looking thingy? anybody know what he's using there?

    I agree that $1400 is asking too much for the complete bike. Normally, i wouldn't go for something like that (there are better options out there), however, my LBS said they would be willing to take the parts into stock and sell me just the frameset! How sweet is that?!

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    here's the link for those pictures and intereview

    http://singletrack.competitor.com/20...01&gallery=260

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    The reason I like it so much is exactly the reason some of you dislik it... The form! I have wanted a lynskey or blacksheep fo years but am unwilling to pay the premium for either at this point in life. So, the Sawyer comes along and blows me away with it's style. Can't wait to get my hands on one to turn it into a stylish commuter!

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    of course... its the form.
    especially in light that rigid mtb's are now coming in under 20lbs
    carbon road bikes are under 17lbs...

    personally... I like the form. I'm willing to ride a 26lb 29er in the old school double top tube fashion...

    especially when its a very capable all rounder
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    I've seen one, they're made in Taiwan. N not terribly heavy. Didn't have a scale to give a good figure
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    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    what's the story with JHK's freewheel chain guard looking thingy? anybody know what he's using there?
    They're Disco's, a thing from the past, thought out by Travis Brown. I think almost everybody now agrees - including mr. Brown himself, who apparantly does't run them anymore on his own ss bikes - that they are not that necessary to keep the chain on. Unless you and/or your mechanic are affraid that your inhumane powers do not match too well with a sloppy steel rearend? That, or you just think they look kinda cool.

    I would agree with the latter reasoning and think mr Horgan Kobelski's rig looks sweet overall!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er

    I agree that $1400 is asking too much for the complete bike. Normally, i wouldn't go for something like that (there are better options out there), however, my LBS said they would be willing to take the parts into stock and sell me just the frameset! How sweet is that?!
    I'd say somebody at your shop has to stop hitting the pipe Those parts aren't worth much for stock.
    But awesome for you, the first 2 questions everybody asked were, is there a frame only option and ...will they make it in titanium, the answer to both is dream on, so kudos on making one happen for you.
    I don't think 1400 is a lot for this bike compared to what?
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    JHK Sawyer SS with "Platinum Tubing"


    Where can someone purchase those rear cog guides?

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    It still looks like a cool bike a month or two later. Can't wait for ride reports on it.
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    I'm wanting one to race next year, but I'll be damned if I'm going to buy one without at least seeing it. I think Trek should have had a few of these out there for demo's this fall, Trek is going to miss the boat as far as I'm concerned. Another thing, the component group is a bit weak, just one step up from were it's at, and maybe that would justify the price. I'm more than likely going to build up a Vassago Bandersnatch 1 X 9er for next years XC race series, I at least know, and have seen the product!
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    It's going to be epic and you know it! Not to mention an instant classic!!! Just part out the rest of the stuff if you don't like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Actually their idea at Trek was that the Sawyer would be a "klunker-esque" type bike, so therefore the gears. Goes along with Gary's past, yada, yada, yada.....

    But yeah, I see the majority of these ending up as SS rigs, and don't forget, they have a split drop out, so you can run "The Belt", if you dare....

    Finally, there is an interesting back story to those handle bars. I wonder if anyone will guess.......
    something to do with the name crivitz?
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Placebo
    That JHK build is SEXY! I just thought it was a kind of cool bike until I saw that build. Awesome potential!

    Ah, thank you It was a fun build. Clunky, but fun to ride. Was not supposed to be some fly weight like our race bikes. Just a good-ol cruising bike.

    "Is that a "No Shox" sticker on JHK's fork?"

    Ha, ha, no it is a "Rock Shox" sticker. I thought it would be funny to put on on there.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattomoto
    Ah, thank you It was a fun build. Clunky, but fun to ride. Was not supposed to be some fly weight like our race bikes. Just a good-ol cruising bike.

    "Is that a "No Shox" sticker on JHK's fork?"

    Ha, ha, no it is a "Rock Shox" sticker. I thought it would be funny to put on on there.

    Cheers
    Thanks for the info, that confirms my plans to build mine as a fun dedicated rigid SS, with Profile cranks to boot. How is tire clearance? I'm planning to use the new 29-4 tires which are a claimed 2.3.
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    I wish the Sawyer was available as frame only... I could see all sorts of fun projects resulting.

    Lets see... the Sawyer with an Alfine 11-speed hub sounds nice.

    The hold up for me is the lack of a "simple" suspension fork. I don't ride rigid. If only someone built a fork like the Atomlab G60 for a 29er (and with G2 offset) it would be perfect. Get the look of klunker fork but with something that won't be a bone shaker.

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    Has anyone ordered one of these yet? Iíve seen them on-line for $1200 to $1300, which doesnít seem that out of line for a complete bike. A 4130 Chromo Retrotec lists for $1350, frame and no fork, and a Jones Space frame for $1500 with fork. These without single speed or belt options either. At least some of the components, bars, headset, brakes and possibly wheels would be decent enough to keep for a single speed conversion.

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    I've had one on backorder since a week after it was released. Current ETA is January. Full advertised retail is $1429.99. You should be able to get it for less.
    Worked at Trek/Fisher dealer 2008-2013. Only a little biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBMD9er
    Has anyone ordered one of these yet? Iíve seen them on-line for $1200 to $1300, which doesnít seem that out of line for a complete bike. A 4130 Chromo Retrotec lists for $1350, frame and no fork, and a Jones Space frame for $1500 with fork. These without single speed or belt options either. At least some of the components, bars, headset, brakes and possibly wheels would be decent enough to keep for a single speed conversion.
    Out of curiosity, where have you seen them online for $1200? I'd like to know so that I can try to get some price matching done at my LBS. Thanks

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    I'm still not giving up on owning one of these, just frustrated with Trek. Would have liked to have one prior to the end of this riding season. What the heck, fresh ride for next spring!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tw3nty9er
    Out of curiosity, where have you seen them online for $1200? I'd like to know so that I can try to get some price matching done at my LBS. Thanks

    Maybe advertised for that price but you'd have to go and collect it.

    Why not just talk nicely to the LBS and see if they can swing you a deal without the hardball approach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by driver bob
    Maybe advertised for that price but you'd have to go and collect it.

    Why not just talk nicely to the LBS and see if they can swing you a deal without the hardball approach?
    Well, I have been talking with them and in the past they have been really nice to me. In regards to the Sawyer, they said they would sell me the frameset for $750 and the complete for $1250. I'm having trouble deciding which option to go with. I already have all of the bling from another bike to make a sick single speed out of the frameset. Just wondering if rest of the stuff is worth $500 to me or somebody else if I wanted to sell it. If it was $1100 I would take it as a complete no question. Just not quite feeling the $1250 yet. Opinions are welcome!

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    i also go the $1250 quote from my favorite LBS. and i said "Order it up!" i will sort out the components later...but i am sure there will be some swapping and selling going on to fit my personal preference. i intend for it to be my beat around town bike and will be selling my current around town bike (Salsa Casseroll) to make room in the garage. it may see a little play time in the dirt...but that is really what the Black Cat 29er singlespeed is for, and i dont see myself leaving the Black Cat hangin' in the garage in favor of the Sawyer if i am heading to the woods!!

    i love the retro look, the toned-down color scheme, and the fact i could always rock it singlespeed in the future or even try out a belt system! it is just gonna be a play around bike that has lots a potential for whatrever future whims i may get!

    they are saying delivery in Jan. sometime.

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    Looks like a wolfhound. But wolfhounds are 3x the price. Hand made in Talent Oregon.
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    The sweetest of the sweet steel.

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    Just spoke to my LBS. ETA end of January.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
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    Like those bars.
    Great looking rig

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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
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    Like those bars.
    HOLY ***** I JUST SOILED MYSELF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkley
    $1429 for a rigid bike with X.5 shifters?
    unleashing what fisher is dreaming costs extra I guess....plus, trek is the best, just ask them, they will tell you.

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    I don't know bout that but this bike appeals to a lot of people. It looks different than anything else being made by the bigguns in the industry. At this price I predict sell out or hard to find by 4th of July, and a giant photo thread here of all the custom rebuilds.
    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofarider1
    Looks like a wolfhound. But wolfhounds are 3x the price. Hand made in Talent Oregon. The sweetest of the sweet steel.
    I can see why...WOW! Wolfhound Retro Hound. Beyond beautiful.

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    Gotta give a shout out to Sonoma County's Curtis Ingles and his retrotecs



    The secret to mountain biking is pretty simple. The slower you go the more likely it is you'll crash.

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