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    New question here. Trek full suspension 29ers- when available? no 96ers&650Bers

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    I am curious why trek has not yet introduced 29ers. They have technology from Fisher and even relabelling GF to Trek would increase sales and draw more attention to 29ers. What do you think?
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    they already have 29ers, they've just got fisher stickers on them. same people. i doubt they care.
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    I think they got it covered well, selling their GF line as 29ers and keeping the Trek name with the 69er, know this year the new Fuel 69er, and hardtail 69er in addition to last years 69er SS. I think this new Fuel is gonna be a pretty good setup for lots of folks for racing. Next year i bet they offer their new rear axel pivot design in a 69er.

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    I doubt that putting the trek name on them would increase sales.

    Fisher relies heavily on the fact that they were the first big name in the 29er game, and the freaky dude they got their namesake from is somehow mixed up with all those that claim to have invented the concept.

    As many have expressed on this board, there are people who give Fisher the business because they were the first to dive off the deep end. There is something to be said about that, and I think Trek sees that the money is in keeping that Fisher name synonymous with 29ers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chequamagon
    There is something to be said about that, and I think Trek sees that the money is in keeping that Fisher name synonymous with 29ers.
    You missed the point. As GF and trek manufacture 26ers separately, then why only GF produces 29ers? Why not implement Trek's 29er version of their 26ers?- that is what I am wondering about. The more the better. If not why not label all trek bikes with GF sticker?

    For instance GF introduced Hi-Fi 29ers and Trek can introduce Top Fuel & Fuel EX 29ers. Trek could invest into geeting some Fox talas 36mm manufactured and it would not diminish a GF role in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield
    You missed the point. As GF and trek manufacture 26ers separately, then why only GF produces 29ers? Why not implement Trek's 29er version of their 26ers?- that is what I am wondering about. The more the better. If not why not label all trek bikes with GF sticker?

    For instance GF introduced Hi-Fi 29ers and Trek can introduce Top Fuel & Fuel EX 29ers. Trek could invest into geeting some Fox talas 36mm manufactured and it would not diminish a GF role in any way.
    You missed the point. Its not about cool bikes. Its about money. All large bike corporations are this way, Big T, Big S, Big G. Not to mention, Trek and Fisher do not manufacture seperately. Its all the same crap, and the stickers are applied to particular models to align with marketing schemes. All industries are this way, it is called perceived value marketing.

    Oh, and you missed the other point. You are a freak show and your ideas are about as grounded in reality as a Mars spacewalk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield
    Hello
    I am curious why trek has not yet introduced 29ers. They have technology from Fisher and even relabelling GF to Trek would increase sales and draw more attention to 29ers. What do you think?
    Trek and Fisher are part of the same big American bike company. A lot of dealers carry both brands, and it would increase inventory a bunch to double up so to speak. Also, Fisher does fine with mtbs in general, but 29ers in particular, so Trek tends to leave that market to them, while pretty much keeping the high end road bike market for themselves (and Le Mond, I guess).

    I guess the short answer is BRAND IDENTITY.

    Whatever the case, I have my fingers crossed that the new Fuel rear sus finds its way onto a Fisher 29er next year. That is one sweet setup!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chequamagon
    Oh, and you missed the other point. You are a freak show and your ideas are about as grounded in reality as a Mars spacewalk.
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    New question here.

    Quote Originally Posted by kosmo
    Also, Fisher does fine with mtbs in general, but 29ers in particular, so Trek tends to leave that market to them, while pretty much keeping the high end road bike market for themselves (and Le Mond, I guess).

    I guess the short answer is BRAND IDENTITY.
    I did not deny that way of conception, yet trek manufacture mtb 26ers and I ask why 26ers only and not 29ers? If they introduced 69er/96er then why not 99/29ers?
    If it is the same company and it is banal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield
    I did not deny that way of conception,
    Hee hee, It's good to be open to new things. *snicker*

    Trek will not produce 29ERS unless it is economically feasible. If you really understand that point, don't look at it with the "More choice is better," outlook. No large bike company can afford that outlook.

    Instead, why don't you suggest that GF go all 29ers and trek all 26ers. Might happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CLONG
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    Instead, why don't you suggest that GF go all 29ers and trek all 26ers. Might happen.
    My DC style somewhat related question is not so much when will GF go all 29 but when will they stop offering 2 models of the same bike in all sizes. Why not go all out with only 29s on at least the largest 2 sizes, both wheel sizes for the middle size and 26 for the smallest 2 sizes. Or even 29 for biggest 3 and 26 for smallest. ie Superfly XS and SM in 26, Med in 26 and 29, Lg and XL in 29.

    I know, I know, small riders can benefit from a 29er as well but it may or may not make sizing sense to the typical consumer. I think it would be easier to sell the concept of bigger wheels on the bigger bike size etc. Especially since GF hisself is a taller rider.

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    I want whatever bike Cheq. is riding because he's smarter than me for sure and seems to have his finger on the pulse of the entire cycling industry. Been to the "evil black tower of death" for a factory visit recently? It's amazing that so much under-engineered, poorly executed and manufactured product can come out of small town Wisconsin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Live
    My DC style somewhat related question is not so much when will GF go all 29 but when will they stop offering 2 models of the same bike in all sizes. Why not go all out with only 29s on at least the largest 2 sizes, both wheel sizes for the middle size and 26 for the smallest 2 sizes. Or even 29 for biggest 3 and 26 for smallest. ie Superfly XS and SM in 26, Med in 26 and 29, Lg and XL in 29.
    Trek does short top tubes. Fisher and Lemond does the longer top tubes. Long top tubes are a natural fit for 29ers and Fisher started with em' so why change it.

    I think Trek has a good marketing plan. They'll push 69ers to those who fall into the gearing trap and Fisher will keep selling full 29ers.

    Now, here is the other issue. The 29er hardtail is effectively filling the old market segment for the race hardtail. It's filling a pricepoint niche and the bike companies don't seem eager to sell $400 29ers stocked with junk components even though they can. Fisher needs a whole bike lineup, not just high end stuff. So I would expect to see the 26ers stay in the lineup until some enterprising company starts making $500 geared 29er hardtails and forces everyone else to do so.

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    It's filling a pricepoint niche and the bike companies don't seem eager to sell $400 29ers stocked with junk components even though they can. Fisher needs a whole bike lineup, not just high end stuff. So I would expect to see the 26ers stay in the lineup until some enterprising company starts making $500 geared 29er hardtails and forces everyone else to do so.[/QUOTE]

    I've spoken with the Fisher product manager about cheaper 29er bikes. They will not be doing them in the near future. At this point in time the lesser expensive 29er forks and wheel sets are so heavy that they don't feel that people would have much fun riding them. They would actually have more fun with riding the inferior wheel size because the weight would be so much lighter.
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    Will Trek lag so much behind? Why don't they just add a bigger rear wheel to the Fuel 69er? An option of 99er won't blight sales.

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    Maybe somebody at Trek got over enthusiastic (we have seen it here one or twice ) and decided that a 29er wheel is like 2 inches of suspension.
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    The real question, is when are we going to see ABP suspension on GF 29ers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver
    The real question, is when are we going to see ABP suspension on GF 29ers?
    That's what we argue really about not a "Trek" label. If GF did trek's top fuel and call whatever he wants, it is fine with me. I'm good.

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    So is Trek even considering joining 29er market? Not 69ers or under GF label but their own Top Fuel 29er?

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    A reply I've gotten.
    Our 2010 models will be debuting
    sometime in mid to late August. We have not heard of plans for a 29er
    on the Trek end, but stranger things have happened.


    a real Fuel Ex 29er, no sh!t!

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    Okay gals and guys who wants a carbon Fuex Ex 29er with new 2011 Fox 120mm talas 15mm on board?

    That would be a bad ass !

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    I assure you there are prototype Trek 29ers out there. I have a pro friend who will remain nameless that has seen them. Unfortunately, he is a roadie and can't remember if it's a hardtail or fuel.

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    I also believe Trek will be forced by dealer/market pressure at some point to offer a 29"er. It's just a matter of time.

    It's gotta be tough for their women riders on the mtb team to watch Irminger and Koerber ride off the front on big wheels too.

    I'm also hearing more and more that the demo trucks are sending out more 29"ers and less 26"ers these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I also believe Trek will be forced by dealer/market pressure at some point to offer a 29"er. It's just a matter of time.

    It's gotta be tough for their women riders on the mtb team to watch Irminger and Koerber ride off the front on big wheels too.

    I'm also hearing more and more that the demo trucks are sending out more 29"ers and less 26"ers these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I also believe Trek will be forced by dealer/market pressure at some point to offer a 29"er. It's just a matter of time.

    It's gotta be tough for their women riders on the mtb team to watch Irminger and Koerber ride off the front on big wheels too.

    I'm also hearing more and more that the demo trucks are sending out more 29"ers and less 26"ers these days.

    Too many signs to ignore.

    I heard a little rumor today that there will be some WSD 29er bikes in the line up for 2011.

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    Has anybody else seen the pics of Travis Brown on a prototype 29er? He rode it at the Gunnison Growler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prphoto
    Has anybody else seen the pics of Travis Brown on a prototype 29er? He rode it at the Gunnison Growler.
    Yes, the only "new" looking thing on it that stood out was a tapered head tube to take advantage of the new forks.

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    Must indeed suck for Trek racers to be the last ones to get 29"ers, with so much successes and knowledge on it within the same company.

    IMO not offering 29"ers is like saying no to money. If Big S and big G are not too big to offer29"er, Big T should not think they are. Supposedly they are in the business of making money, but they seem to be jumping the shark and missing the boat with it.
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    Trek 29ers

    I was told today by a Trek source that Trek will have 29ers in 2011 line up. It sounded like hard tails only and maybe a carbon one at that. It didn't sound like it would be an OCLV built frame though. Trek/GF will offer 29ers beginning around the $500 price point in 2011.

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    DC, you cannot afford a new bike so Trek asked me to ask you to eff off and they don't want to hear about your asinine 36-hole-hub-for everyone wheel ideas either. They also asked that you not email them like a freakin' psycho.

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    I was told yesterday that the Superfly HT would most likely remain manufactured over seas. No OCLV!

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    Why hardtails when GF has a lot of FS models? Why not OCLV Fuel Ex. ABP and Full Floater combined...... yammy. Light stiff.

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    The only thing that I have heard is the Superfly will be OCLV. No trek 29ers in 2011
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    Trek rep I talked to said no Trek 29ers ever. Evo link on the SF100 would be nice.

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    Trek 29ers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabertooth37
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33
    Trek rep I talked to said no Trek 29ers ever. Evo link on the SF100 would be nice.
    Never say never or in this case, ever.

    The annual dealer meeting is fast approaching in early August and we'll know for sure then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabertooth37
    Never say never or in this case, ever.

    The annual dealer meeting is fast approaching in early August and we'll know for sure then.
    Yep. I think this years Trek Show will be quite nice. A Trek 29er would be a welcome product IMO as it would offer a Trek warranty on a non-G2 geometry bike. 26" hardtails are dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33
    Yep. I think this years Trek Show will be quite nice. A Trek 29er would be a welcome product IMO as it would offer a Trek warranty on a non-G2 geometry bike. 26" hardtails are dead.
    If Trek does do 29"ers, I would almost be willing to bet they would be G2 geometry. trek has always co-opted into GF's geometry with the 26"er line, and then with the 69ers they went with G2 offsets and head angles as well.

    Maybe they won't, but I would be surprised if theat wasn't the case.
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    What I want to know is when the hell will Toyota have a xB?

    Just STFU and buy a HiFi 29 with ABP and slap a trek sticker on it, same thang.

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    New question here. Trek is clueless

    Thou could alternatively produce a trek fuexl ex 120mm and slap a 29" wheels in there and put a GF sticker. There is another way - redesing GF superfly 100 into Superfly 120mm with Trek suspension Full Floater and ABP, the latter is a result of leaking- so why not a homegenious model? Such Superfly 120mm would look exactly like its Trek counterpart but for the wheels, G2 and stickers&colours whatever. If such kind of Superfly exists, I'm done. I don't bother for Trek's 'fosterhood' but for their suspension nad technology.

    The question is "Why shouldn't GF use their all technology including suspension- Acquis communautaire?"
    There are Reba and Marz 44 just to be made frames for. Why no innovation?

    Ps. They might even call such fuel ex 29er Le Mond in order to be accused of doping

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield
    Thou could alternatively purchase a trek fuexl ex 120mm and slap a 29" wheels in there and put a GF sticker. There is another way - redesing GF superfly 100 into Superfly 120mm with Trek suspension Full Floater and ABP, the latter is a result of leaking- so why not a homegenious model? Such Superfly 120mm would look exactly like its Trek counterpart but for the wheels, G2 and stickers&colours whatever. If such kind of Superfly exists, I'm done. I don't bother for Trek's 'fosterhood' but for their suspension nad technology.

    The question is "Why shouldn't GF use their all technology including suspension- Acquis communautaire?"
    There are Reba and Marz 44 just to be made frames for. Why no innovation?

    Ps. They might even call such fuel ex 29er Le Mond in order to be accused of doping
    You might be able to put 40" wheels on you impala, but you aint putting 29" wheels on a Fuel EX...

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    Little bird told me Trek flew in Gary Fisher for a huge announcement tomorrow. OCLV Superfly? Shipping in July? Only my personal speculation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    If Trek does do 29"ers, I would almost be willing to bet they would be G2 geometry. trek has always co-opted into GF's geometry with the 26"er line, and then with the 69ers they went with G2 offsets and head angles as well.

    Maybe they won't, but I would be surprised if theat wasn't the case.
    Last time I checked only the 9 series carbon 26" bikes shared anything close to G2 geometry and they don't have G2 offset forks on them. Everything else 8500 down has traditional geometry.

    Fuel EX and 26" Hifi IIRC were close but they don't make a 26" Hifi anymore so that's a null point.

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    The problem is one for certain dealers. Not all of them can sell Fishers. I think Trek has to accomdate somehow.
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    I don't think G2 has been around long enough for Trek to completely assimilate it, but they certainly did with G1 geometry over a period of years. And why wouldn't they? (You can use the same logic there as with the 29"er ruse, or ABP, etc)

    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33
    Little bird told me Trek flew in Gary Fisher for a huge announcement tomorrow. OCLV Superfly? Shipping in July? Only my personal speculation.

    Last time I checked only the 9 series carbon 26" bikes shared anything close to G2 geometry and they don't have G2 offset forks on them. Everything else 8500 down has traditional geometry.

    Fuel EX and 26" Hifi IIRC were close but they don't make a 26" Hifi anymore so that's a null point.
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    whoa....what the ?...

    edit: No more GF branded bikes? Gary Fisher collection from Trek? Anyone see this coming?
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