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    Tomac Flint 29

    I was searching out options that were capable of running SS or geared, and came across this frame.

    Does anyone have any experience (outside of the 3 reviews) with the frame and maybe what it compares to and such?

    The frame is rated at about 3.5lb AN6 (assuming that 6061 T6 Aluminum) and can be converted from SS to geared with the Bushnell EBB installed. I have no experience with SS, but it seems that the EBB when working properly and not making noise works better than sliders. Either way at $498.00, its a pretty sweet frame!
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    I was interested in this frame too due to the price. I asked around for months and couldn't find anyone that's actually ridden or seen one. There are a few magazine reviews online.

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    My go to LBS the owner rides this bike and has nothing but praises for it, he rides it exclusively SS (he won SSWC 2000) and races it this way. I have not asked him specifically about the Bushnell BB though.

    Me personally I am not a aluminum fan much prefer steel but to each his own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Pink57
    My go to LBS the owner rides this bike and has nothing but praises for it, he rides it exclusively SS (he won SSWC 2000) and races it this way. I have not asked him specifically about the Bushnell BB though.

    Me personally I am not a aluminum fan much prefer steel but to each his own.
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    I am going back and forth between the Flint and the Spearfish.

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    Hi,

    I`m riding a flint since a cuple of months. The EBB works great. On my 26er I used a ENO, but the EBB is much easier to adjust.





    I really like this bike. The performance is great. The frame is light and stable.

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    That's a nice looking bike.

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    Awesome! I ended up pulling the trigger on the frame. Hopefully it will ship out at the end of Feb/ beginning of March. I called up Tomac and they said that it doesn't come with a hanger/spacer for the singlespeed setup, and I can either cut it off or run it as is. Thought that was kind of wierd or not thought through, but I'll probably just cut it and buy a spare!

    I really like your setup, and chances are, mine will be similar color-wise (white and black w/ red accents). Do you have a weight on that setup?
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    I've been riding/racing one since last April. Love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skilikeme
    Hollywood?

    I am going back and forth between the Flint and the Spearfish.
    Yeah I work across the street from his shop so I always go there, great guy to work with and very up front about service.


    The Flint and Spearfish are a pretty big change between each other. I see you are in Savage, I am in AV I live about a mile from Leb

    I don't know if he races that bike anymore he did at the time I asked him.
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    Here's mine

    since this pic I have switched to a 2.4 Schwalbe Racing Ralph front and a 2.25 RR rear.


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    sweet looking rig

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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerRacer
    sweet looking rig
    Damn it is. I'm tempted to replace my current HT with one of these. Where's the deal?

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    Cambrai has them for $495 (frame), but they are on backorder. Joel at Tomac told me end of Feb. they are getting a new shipment in, hope I am on a shortlist to receive one....

    Here is a pic in it's nakedness!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubdryver
    Cambrai has them for $495 (frame), but they are on backorder. Joel at Tomac told me end of Feb. they are getting a new shipment in, hope I am on a shortlist to receive one....

    Here is a pic in it's nakedness!
    Nice, thanks.

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    Sweet looking bike - and John Tomac rocks! Just having his name on the bike has got to make you faster!

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    Joel Smith is a great guy to work with too. You won't be disappointed with Customer Service from him.

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    Why did you perforate a...

    Quote Originally Posted by dubdryver
    Awesome! I ended up pulling the trigger on the frame.
    ...brand new bicycle frame with gunfire?

    Seriously can we stop using firearm terminology to describe bicycle purchases? It's getting really sad after the shooting of avid bicyclist Gabrielle Giffords in Arizona. Even in the case of firearm crazy Tomac brand.

    http://tucsonvelo.com/news/giffords-...-shooting/5455
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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1
    ...brand new bicycle frame with gunfire?

    Seriously can we stop using firearm terminology to describe bicycle purchases? It's getting really sad after the shooting of avid bicyclist Gabrielle Giffords in Arizona. Even in the case of firearm crazy Tomac brand.

    http://tucsonvelo.com/news/giffords-...-shooting/5455
    I can't wait to pull the trigger on a new bike frame. Then I'm going to take it out and slay some trails.

    Then I might pop a cap in some dirt jumps.

    Maybe after I'm done with the figurative language, I'll enjoy my "right to keep and bear arms."

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    Yes well...

    Quote Originally Posted by playpunk
    I can't wait to pull the trigger on a new bike frame. Then I'm going to take it out and slay some trails.

    Then I might pop a cap in some dirt jumps.

    Maybe after I'm done with the figurative language, I'll enjoy my "right to keep and bear arms."

    Troll.

    ...I felt quite macho after my first few beers too. Enjoy.

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    I didn't really like the vibe that I was feeling while talking to Joel. It felt like the questions I was asking were a waste of his time, but he did answer them.

    Don't get me wrong, I am still purchasing the frame...

    One thing that I felt they cut corners on was the derailleur hanger. For the single speed, you use the same hanger as basically a spacer to mount the QR. It does not come with a spare, and he told me when I asked if it came with something specific to the SS setup that I use the same hanger and have a choice to leave it hang or cut it off. I really thing something that simple could have been considered for the SS setup already done.

    I am not worried about it because I am completely capable of machining it off, but I will have to buy a new hanger for the one I destroyed (in the event I want to run it geared for bike packing). That was really my only complaint.

    I was also considering the Yeti Big Top because it came SS/Geared, and had a carbon rear and tapered headtube. When I talked to Competitive Cycles, they said it didn't come with the SS setup, and I have to buy it from Yeti (seems kind of dumb)...he said it would probably be $30-40. I called up Yeti to find out specifically, and they said it was $150+shipping, and was done by a tensioner system which I was wanting EBB as a preference. They guy didn't even seem phased one bit when I gasped at the $150 SS dropouts to go along with the $1,100 frame cost..oh by the way, the Flint 29 is still lighter by over 1/2lb.

    I have no doubt about the validity of the Big Top and the benefits of carbon and the other bells and whistles that make it a very comprehensive frame, but for the pricepoint...I would have had to be a really hardcore Yeti fan to buy into that.
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    IMO the Soul Cycles frame seems like a better deal (or similar) and comes with all the mentioned accouterments
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    The Dillinger does look like a sweet bike. There are definitely aspects that I like on that bike more than the Tomac such as the junction from the BB to the chainstays...very custom! It appears that there is quite a few different colors available, or brushed for the same price of the Tomac. I am going to give them a call and discuss the particulars. I however do not like the EBB design with the bosses on the bottom of the BB to hold the EBB in place. I feel that is a dated design. The frame is also more than a half of a pound heavier. Which isn't really the main thing, but I am working towards building the bike to be under 20lb. and .7lb is a good amount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubdryver
    I was also considering the Yeti Big Top because it came SS/Geared, and had a carbon rear and tapered headtube. When I talked to Competitive Cycles, they said it didn't come with the SS setup, and I have to buy it from Yeti (seems kind of dumb)...he said it would probably be $30-40. I called up Yeti to find out specifically, and they said it was $150+shipping, and was done by a tensioner system which I was wanting EBB as a preference. They guy didn't even seem phased one bit when I gasped at the $150 SS dropouts to go along with the $1,100 frame cost..oh by the way, the Flint 29 is still lighter by over 1/2lb.
    I have a Yeti Big top frame, and I'd be willing to bet that it's almost a pound heavier than the Tomac. It's ALOT beefier than my Niner AIR 9. I can't believe the single speed rear chip is $150? I just bought the 12x142mm rear chip for $40

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenboy99
    I have a Yeti Big top frame, and I'd be willing to bet that it's almost a pound heavier than the Tomac. It's ALOT beefier than my Niner AIR 9. I can't believe the single speed rear chip is $150? I just bought the 12x142mm rear chip for $40
    Yes, I couldn't believe it either! I was really going to opt for that frame, but then add an extra $150 for dropouts, sliders that inevitably slip and the initial heft altogether was just too much!
    $1250+shipping and not even full carbon is a little bit steep...
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    It is really pricey, I'm wondering how good they'll sell. I only bought mine because I got it for 5% over cost through my LBS sponsorship. I also broke 3 Niner's so I wanted something stronger. I wasn't sure about the Tomac Flint because I couldn't find any info online and we didn't have a dealer locally.

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    Like one other mentioned about the Soul Cycles (Dillinger) which is the same cost as the Tomac and has titanium hardware (where its actually applicable)...assuming you go brushed, painted is cheaper.

    I don't feel iffy about buying the Flint..but I have not received it yet to really know. I am going to call Soul Cycles today, and talk to them about their frame and availability. I really like the brushed look, and it does have a bit more classic styling. My biggest interest though is the EBB, and if it is compatible with the Niner Bio-Centric to alleviate the need for the screws under the BB. As Niner stated in their website, over time and tightening those bolts can ovalize the BB tube.

    If I could come across a Yeti Big Top for 5% over cost..I would jump on that too! Then I could justify paying the $150 for the SS dropouts :P
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    Well, the phil wood BB uses the same type of eccentric (set screw) so I think it should be fine. Also I know the Soul Cycles guys are good with warranties, there is a guy up the road from me that had one warrantied and I couldn't even figure out why? Turns out the set screw EBB cracked, so they reinforced that area on the G4 frames.

    Edit: just want to add that the Tomac is a pretty frame...not trying to take away from that, or the original post...just wanted to add that there are other (similar) options that may be appealing as well.
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    After investigating Soul Cycles, I retracted my order for the Tomac, and ended up talking to Chad at Soul Cycles which I placed an order for a Small Dillinger

    - It was available in different colors, I chosed Brushed aluminum with blue timeless graphics (I love the way brushed looks)
    - All the bolts are titanium, and all the other parts (EBB,Seat Collar, hanger) are colored to your preference, anodized...nice touch!
    - The BB is compatible with Bushnell EBBs if ever I want to change to that system
    - The frame look more custom with various cutouts, the main one being the junction of the BB and the chainstays.
    - It comes with a seperate SS and geared dropout, and free replacements if ever I break one.
    - $50 cheaper than the Flint 29

    Only drawback is it is a bit heavier, but the quality looks great, and good easton tubing!

    Thanks AppleSSeed, I appreciate the tip on the Soul Cycles!!
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    No problem! I actually bought the guys replacement frame, brought it home and noticed it was a med, not large so I had to take it back. ;-(. Enjoy
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    The Flint or the Dillinger?
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    This is an awesome thread! I've been really considering getting a Niner A9, but these seem to be comparable bikes for a bit less. I'll probably going to compare them a little closer.
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    GP, prepare to wait 30-60 days for a Flint 29. The Soul Cycles Dillinger is pretty close to being the same but more bells and whistles for less! Also there is various availability now (different colors, different sizes). If you call Soul Cycles up, you'll end up talking to Chad..the owner. Trust me, after talking to him, you won't be considering the Niner thats over $300 more!

    For $449 I got: Small Brushed/Clearcoat with a anodized red EBB, Seatpost collar, and hanger (SS hanger is blue). Titanium bolts for EBB, and dropouts..(don't know if the waterbottle are ano red or titanium).

    The powdercoated version is $399 for the same setup!

    By the way, if you bend/break a hanger, they replace them for free!

    I didn't find anything on the market with a better deal and more versitile!!

    Oh, they have matching rigid forks for like $70!
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    Thanks, Dub. Fortunately, I've planned to take some time to build up the frame, meaning I won't have it done by this season, so a 30-60 day wait isn't a big deal. The Soul Dillinger is a pretty sweet looking rig, especially with the titanium bolts, brushed aluminum with blue, and ano'ed parts. My two concerns are the weight. I don't need the lightest bike as I'm not a racer, but I do like a flickable bike and I do plan on trying some racing in the future. 1lb doesn't seem huge, but I don't know how tough it'll be to keep the bike to no more than 27lbs with that frame. I might be willing to try, though.
    For the A9, I can actually get it on discount, so it would only be a $200 difference. Also, it's the only one I can test ride, and the scandium, along with the frame design, supposedly make for a bit more of a compliant ride, and still remain light. I'll be able to find that out in a few months. But, is that ride worth the extra $200? I'm wanting this thing to last me a long time, so comfort will be a good thing.
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    In regards to the A9, and I don't want to take anything away from Niner what so ever, from who I have spoke to out at the trails (because there is a lot on the A9), they say it rides stiff. It is less compliant than a typical aluminum frame. I don't actually have any experience on the bike myself, that is just what I have been told by a few on the trails. There is actually one guy that came from a Salsa to the Niner and said it was a lot stiffer, but less compliant. I think he had the Selma, and if I am not mistaken, the Selma has carbon seatstays.

    I thin 27lb is completely doable depending on your parts selection. I am shooting for 20lb. but hoping for 18 or 19...maybe that's too optimistic but the components will have a lot to do with it. Also, this is for SS, but we will see. My dad has an old 99 Stumpjumper HT that has a SID fork on it and is setup SS and that is around 21lb. and has lesser components...thats where my basis is coming from.
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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampelhasser
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    I`m riding a flint since a cuple of months. The EBB works great. On my 26er I used a ENO, but the EBB is much easier to adjust.





    I really like this bike. The performance is great. The frame is light and stable.

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    Ampelhasser, what fork is that, I'm thinking about building up a new ss rigid.

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    I'm am seeing that the Flint has a 71.5 deg head tube angle and the Tomac Sliver has
    a 70 deg h/t angle & 70 deg on the Type X frame. Where am I going to feel the difrernce
    (ie; witch one is going to steer quicker) I'm thanking the 70deg would be quicker steering bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idinomac
    Ampelhasser, what fork is that, I'm thinking about building up a new ss rigid.
    Hi, it`s a Exotic carbon fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampelhasser
    Hi, it`s a Exotic carbon fork.

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    Thanks, I am thinking about getting three frames from Tomac Bikes, the Flint is going to be my ss rigid bike & I'm also looking hard two of the Type X frames for my race bikes.

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    The Flint would be...

    Quote Originally Posted by idinomac
    I'm am seeing that the Flint has a 71.5 deg head tube angle and the Tomac Sliver has
    a 70 deg h/t angle & 70 deg on the Type X frame. Where am I going to feel the difrernce
    (ie; witch one is going to steer quicker) I'm thanking the 70deg would be quicker steering bike.
    ..."quicker on the trigger" in that sense.

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    Acutally the slacker the head angle, the slower the turning gets. That is why you see all the downhill bikes with 67deg to 64deg with the slowest turning, but the most stable for downhill. All Mountain/Trail are usually 66deg-68deg, and XC are usually 68.5deg-74deg. Anything higher is most likely for Road or Tri/TT bike.
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    Thanks for all your info guys, so it not a big deal then, I like the Type X & the Flint..

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    cool, they are good bikes! Just be prepared for some kind of wait, No Flints till the end of Feb, and no garrantee that you can get one from that batch. I was originally going to go with the Flint, but the possible 60-90day wait didn't really appeal to me.
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    Thanks dubdryver, I'm not in a hurry I have three 29er frames to put up fro sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idinomac
    Thanks dubdryver, I'm not in a hurry I have three 29er frames to put up fro sale.
    Gotta replace them with something

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    Well for now we have to much Snow too do much riding and I have my road bike.

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    sorry I didn't chime in on this discussion again sooner, being that there aren't that many Tomac Flint riders out there.

    I should mention that I'm really impressed with the ride quality of the Flint. This is my first HT 29er, but it just doesn't seem as harsh as some other alum. Seems alittle dampened.

    In terms of steering response. I'm running an 80mm fork and find the steering just about right, it certainly doesn't feel slow. One thing I noticed was how little of a transition time it was to move from my 26er Epic to the Flint on a tight twisty singletrack trail, I think the quick steering was part of that.

    In regards to Joel at Tomac, he's always been really helpful and responsive to my emails. Keep in mind you are emailing the owner of a bike company, he's a pretty busy guy!

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    Quote from gcavyi:as harsh as some other alum. Seems alittle dampened.

    Thats what I found out last year going from 26ers F/S bike, I thought I was going to need a F/S 29 for 24hr racing, I like F/S 29er but I don't love it like my H/T, I did two back to back 24hr solos last year on my H/T 29er the F/S 29 just sat there

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    Ordered my Flint this week, can't wait to see it all built up!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skilikeme
    Ordered my Flint this week, can't wait to see it all built up!!
    cool. Update when you've got it built up!

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    Can you pull the ebb and run an insert w a STD bb and gears? Or are you married to the ebb regardless? Tia

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