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    Ti Flat Tracker info????

    Got these off Ebay awhile back. Any ideas what the sweep is on these puppies?
    I am still fiddling with my cockpit, and would love to know what numbers I'm working with.
    The seller still has two sets for sale on ebay (along with some crazy ti scuba knives).
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    Nine Degrees of sweep on those babies.....I love em.

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    Were those the same bars I was flexing on the other night?

    I'm a small guy and I was deflecting them around 10mm's.

    Dickey's eyes were big as saucers when I did it.
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    Be careful, I witnessed a friend snap a similar Titec bar at the stem. It made a big impression on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schultz29
    Be careful, I witnessed a friend snap a similar Titec bar at the stem. It made a big impression on me.
    Oh Man TD's going to be flippin out when he reads that.

    Those things flexed like a Sibex fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enoch
    Oh Man TD's going to be flippin out when he reads that.

    Those things flexed like a Sibex fork.
    Those were the Seven bars you were flexing.

    The shim it came with was not as wide as my Thomson stem, so I am using a much wider one. Seems like the stock shim woulda caused some bad stress thingies.
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    I bought one of them about a year back from the same seller. I weigh 225 and find them verrry comfortable. 9 degree bend, true dat.

    I've also got a set of Hellions that I love dearly. Also a 9 bend. And you can pry them from my cold, dead hands too.

    schultz, lemme guess, the bar your 'friend' snapped was a 118, the stupid light bar. The FlatTracker isn't an uberlight Ti bar, but still light gauge enough to provide a very compliant ride.
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    I'm eyeing off the Salsa 11 degree'rs as my next 29er bar.

    Yeah yeah, I know they're carbon, but I've never had carbon issues, mostly because I'm too slow and pˇssweak. No wait, I'm too smoove and have mad skillz, yeah, that's it.
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    I've never had problems with carbon bars. Carbon seatposts - yes. They break under my bouncing buttocks. Bars - no problems. Contrary to popular reports, the carbon posts I've had go sourth, kinda folded and didn't snap as has often been reported. Just a nice slow and quiet folding action with plenty of warning.

    BTW - - I'm on some Salsa bars now, though the shallower bend. Sweet bars. No issues. I'd buy again in a heartbeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thylacine
    I'm eyeing off the Salsa 11 degree'rs as my next 29er bar.

    Yeah yeah, I know they're carbon, but I've never had carbon issues, mostly because I'm too slow and pˇssweak. No wait, I'm too smoove and have mad skillz, yeah, that's it.
    For me personally the only material choice for a handlebar is aluminum. I have broken an Easton Monkey Lite and as I previously noted my friend broke his Titec ti. Typically I've had excellent performance from titanium parts and I'm not sure which Titec bar my friend had.

    Recently I picked up a Salsa Pro Moto aluminum handlebar with an 11 degree sweep. Thus far I'm very pleasd with it. The sweep is very comfortable and the bar is very wide. I cut off about an inch and it's still 27 inches wide.


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    syntace is making carbon risers with 12 degrees both in 25.4 and 31.8 but maybe you're looking for flatbars only

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    Ti Trackers are 11 degrees. They were made with the same butt profile as the Hellions. The Hellions are 9 degree backsweep and 5 degree upsweep when the "riser" portion is aligned to point straight up when viewed from the side. However, if you do the math, you'll see that the back and up sweep combine to make 11 degrees of total sweep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr.welby
    Ti Trackers are 11 degrees.
    I'd believe that. They seem to have more sweep than my Seven bars which are 8 degrees.
    I'm not totally set on my cockpit, but I just mounted the bars with a 60mm Syntace stem, and they feel darn good.
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    I ride these bars on my SS, got them off Fleabay too; they rock. Really make aluminum feel like a road construction pneumatic hammer drill...

    Edit - sorry for the multi-posts.
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    You can...

    Quote Originally Posted by fleanutz
    I ride these bars on my SS, got them off Fleabay too; they rock. Really make aluminum feel like a road construction pneumatic hammer drill...
    ..say that again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schultz29

    Uh, is that a Koala on the headtube?!?

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    The Real Deal?

    Mine showed up last week and they seem pretty nice, but a couple of things made me wonder if they're really Titec. The logos were all crooked, but I removed em anyway, and the only plugs that I could get to stay in them were from some road bar tape. The wall thickness seems awfully thin. Not that Titec is the paragon of tight manufacturing tolerances, I just wonder if these are cheap knockoffs.

    Maybe I'm just paranoid after finding that my ridiculously expensive Jones Bars are toast and now making awkward looking wall art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singletrack Pig
    Mine showed up last week and they seem pretty nice, but a couple of things made me wonder if they're really Titec. The logos were all crooked, but I removed em anyway, and the only plugs that I could get to stay in them were from some road bar tape. The wall thickness seems awfully thin. Not that Titec is the paragon of tight manufacturing tolerances, I just wonder if these are cheap knockoffs.
    I've been wondering if this guy gets his supply from a ti manufacturer who made them for Titec, and they had some old stock laying around. He seems to have some weird ti stuff for sale from time to time.
    I bought some Schwalbe road tires from someone who got them out the back door of the factory once.
    I trust the bars, and I hear you on the bar plugs. Odd. My Seven ti bars take plugs quite nicely.
    Haven't figured out which bars are staying on the bike yet. Long story there.
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    Wanna buy some H Bars?

    "Haven't figured out which bars are staying on the bike yet. Long story there."

    Are there any bike setup stories of yours that aren't long?

    I'll make you a great deal on some "slightly failed" H Bars.

    Glad to hear you trust the Flat Trackers- the sweep feels like a good compromise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singletrack Pig

    Glad to hear you trust the Flat Trackers- the sweep feels like a good compromise.
    They'll probably be off tonight anyhoo.
    More experimenting to do.
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    I am sort of in the same boat.
    I have some Seven ti bars, about 24" wide. 8 deg sweep.
    I got some of those same Titec bars, a smidge wider at about 24.5"
    I bought them because I really like my Cane Creek Ergo bar ends, but wanted to keep my hands 24" wide.
    The Titec bars have more sweep for sure. i can really tell that difference when i am out on the bar ends.

    I also wondered about the authenticity and quality of these inexpensive bars.

    If anyone reported a failure with these bars, I would swap them out immediately.

    THey are a bit porkier than the seven bars. I should just slap some Seven stickers on there for some peace of mind!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singletrack Pig
    Mine showed up last week and they seem pretty nice, but a couple of things made me wonder if they're really Titec. The logos were all crooked, but I removed em anyway, and the only plugs that I could get to stay in them were from some road bar tape. The wall thickness seems awfully thin. Not that Titec is the paragon of tight manufacturing tolerances, I just wonder if these are cheap knockoffs.
    If they're thin on the ends and are close to the specified weight (don't remember off the top of my head) then they probably are Titec bars. Which really means they are the 640mm titanium butted handlebar drawn over tooling paid for by Titec from the Xian titanium mill in central China.

    The logos were often crooked on those bars. Whoever in China was printing the logos on the Hellions and Ti-Trackers wasn't very good at it. On the other Titec ti bars the logos were actually done in California and they came out much better.

    If they are the real deal, then you are probably buying greymarket leftovers from an OEM or from the factory, or maybe "samples" that were requested by a trading agent. It's not uncommon.

    But the ends should be thin. The bars are butted internally and are much thicker in the center where it counts.

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    Thanks

    Great info, thanks for sharing. May have to pick up another if this thread doesn't drive the price up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singletrack Pig
    Great info, thanks for sharing. May have to pick up another pair if this thread doesn't drive the price up!
    Just wait two weeks and buy mine when I decide I don't want them anymore. I'm sure by that time I'll have moved onto some other unsuccessful cockpit iteration.
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    Bar-end compatible?

    Quote Originally Posted by dr.welby
    But the ends should be thin. The bars are butted internally and are much thicker in the center where it counts.
    I understand that these have quite a lot of sweep and that therefore you typically wouldn't want to mount bar ends.... but if you DID, does the thin wall at the end mean that this wouldn't be a good idea? Would special end plugs be required (as with the Syntace carbon bars another poster mentions below)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jh_on_the_cape
    I am sort of in the same boat.
    I have some Seven ti bars, about 24" wide. 8 deg sweep.
    I got some of those same Titec bars, a smidge wider at about 24.5"
    I bought them because I really like my Cane Creek Ergo bar ends, but wanted to keep my hands 24" wide.
    The Titec bars have more sweep for sure. i can really tell that difference when i am out on the bar ends.

    I also wondered about the authenticity and quality of these inexpensive bars.

    If anyone reported a failure with these bars, I would swap them out immediately.

    THey are a bit porkier than the seven bars. I should just slap some Seven stickers on there for some peace of mind!

    Are you Kidding?
    You must have bought a different bar. I bought the titec e-bay bar , but never used it because it is 1/2 the weight of my seven ti bar, The e-bay titec for 40 bucks looked & felt so thin, that trust was not even in the equation. I thought it looked like some guy just bent some thin tubes into a handlebar, then mailed a plastic shim with it! Good luck with it!

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    I have these bars and use bar ends. The ends are not particularly thin so there is no danger of crushing the walls (we're not talking CF here!)

    I don't see why the amount of sweep would affect the decision to run bar ends.
    Since when did the phrase "invest in" come to mean the same as "buy"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by womble
    I don't see why the amount of sweep would affect the decision to run bar ends.
    Because it makes them angle out more and thus more prone to catching saplings - a major hazard on tight singletrack here in New England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qcanoe
    Because it makes them angle out more and thus more prone to catching saplings - a major hazard on tight singletrack here in New England.
    A barend is only a 3-4 inches long. An extra 4-5 degrees of sweep will only make the barends swing out a several mm. I would be keenly aware of it otherwise- I occasionally ride through the hanging vines out here in the Asian tropics.
    Since when did the phrase "invest in" come to mean the same as "buy"?

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    I bought the e-bay bar and have been abusing on it my rigid SS for about a month and a half. No problems at all. It is more comfortable than an aluminum bar. I can't see any reason not to ride it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teamdicky
    I'd believe that. They seem to have more sweep than my Seven bars which are 8 degrees.
    I'm not totally set on my cockpit, but I just mounted the bars with a 60mm Syntace stem, and they feel darn good.
    i moved from ti hellions to a seven ti bar with 8 degrees of sweep. still have em both, but struggling with wrist pain since i got used to jones bars...

    might need jettisoned...

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    i bought one on ebay

    and have been running it on my BS for months without any problem. very compfy, nice sweep..........can't beat the price.
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    These bars are thin on the ends because they are BUTTED. They are much thicker in the center where the stresses are higher. The Moots and Seven bars are plain gauge titanium tubing, so in order for them to be thick enough in the center for strength, they have to be just as thick on the ends.

    I'm actually the guy who designed this bar, and I just bought one off of eBay to check it out. They are the real thing, and it turns out the guy selling them is Titec's old trading agent. He probably got stuck with a bunch of samples and is clearing them out now that Titec is owned by Profile and seems to have moved onto generic oversized carbon bars.

    You should be OK running bar ends on these bars. They're not as crazy thin as the old Titec 118s that were papery thin on the ends and needed BERTs (Bar End Reinforcement Things) plugged into the ends to strengthen them up to where you could clamp a bar end to them.

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    I had that bar on my zion for awhile, but they just seemed off somehow. According to the seller they were ordered by titec, but never picked up. I have been thinking about trying them with a slightly longer stem to compensate for the bend. I think I saw you in Pisgah last Saturday. I remember the wheels on a descent. Anyway, they are more than eight, but less than fifteen degrees. They are a great width. Try them with the ergon's that have adjustable barends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shishku
    According to the seller they were ordered by titec, but never picked up.
    That would make sense. I put the bar into production right before I left the company, and not much later they closed operations or were bought out or whatever.
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    Anyway, they are more than eight, but less than fifteen degrees.
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