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    Tallboy 2 or Ripley?

    So many nice bikes this year, every time I think I have it figured out something else pops up. I thought I wanted the Spider Comp then the SB95 came out, thought I wanted that then the Ripley came out, thought I needed that and now the Tallboy2. All awesome bikes, what are your favorites and why?

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    You need to ride as many bikes as you can & get a clear idea of what it is you want out of a bike.
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    How much travel do you need?

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    You need to ride as many bikes as you can & get a clear idea of what it is you want out of a bike.
    Holy ****! I never thought I see that recommendation from you. Nice not to see the everything is crap and only a Niner is best for you.
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    Trying to convince myself i dont need that much travel, The shortest travel bike I've ever had is the Lunchbox im riding now, I'm in the process of building a Canfield One for AM/DH use and would like a shorter travel 29er I can put some serious miles on. The problem I have is when I get to a rough (fun) spot, am I going to be wishing for a little more travel again? The Ripley 120 looks pretty interesting and may have just enough travel to keep me happy but for the trails i'll be riding probably not totally necessary. All the Tallboy reviews pretty much make it out to be the best 29er ever but some people seem to wish for a little more suspension. I wonder if the suspension refinements on the TB2 addressed that? I know the best thing to do is ride them all but haven't been able to find even one of to ride! Can the Ripley at 120mm pedal as well as the TB2 at 100mm? Is the TB2 going to be boring in the AZ chunky trails?

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    There is a lot that you need to work out for your needs.

    Some times being under biked can be a lot of fun & give the rider a lot faster feel ( even if sometimes it's not )

    I had a Jet9 alloy & my 09 Rip9 alloy at the same time & the Rip9 Alloy was all but as fast as my alloy jet9 but it felt slower & not as much fun on the easy trails.

    So the lighter carbon bikes with more travel feel much more alive on the easy trails than the heavier alloy version bikes used to.

    So the options get bigger if you spend more money.

    I have been using a Jet9 RDO for over the last year & it is a very very good pedaler & it is very quick in the ruff as well.

    I also have a Rip9 RDO & it is 125mm in the rear where the Jet9 RDO is 100mm.

    I was expecting the Rip9 RDO to be no where near as good of a pedaling bike or climber as the Jet9 RDO, But man it is very close.

    The Rip9 RDO would still work well if you were looking to do some races & wanted a bike that you can go & deal to the ruff as well.

    My Rip9 RDO is built with 780mm bars, Pike 35 fork, dropper seat post, 180mm rotors.XX1, I9 trail carbon wheels & the bike comes in at 26.6 lb & it still feels very alive even on easy trails.

    So fame weights & price of the top end bikes are not to far off each other, So work out what build kit you can afford to put on it & that may help work out what bike would be best with that build kit.
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    If you are coming from a Lunchbox(been there), the Ripley might seem a tad under-gunned for you. Does it pedal well? Extremely. Is it a Lunchbox? Nowhere close. It is an efficient machine with a very supple rear suspension. It isn't as "stable" at high speeds as others I've mentioned below. Part of that is the wheelbase (and reach) is very short for a size Large bike in comparison to others in this category. This results in a nimble, flickable, toss-able bike. For me however, I think I would have liked mine more if it had been an XL. As it was, it felt a little "nervous" pointed down at higher speeds.

    If you want to split the difference between a Lunchbox and an XC racer, the SB95c, RIP9 RDO and Spider Comp are all great pedaling trail bikes. The Ripley reminds me of a Lenz Mammoth(been there too) in Carbon.

    Lesson here is, go demo if you can. Newer to the market doesn't equal better, so don't rule out your initial choices either.

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    Colin+m, I still have my eye on the Spider. Is that a bike you would be comfortable taking on a 50 miler? What are you riding now (or going to ride)? lol. Anyone one have any comment on the TB on the downhills, stable, wanting a little more suspension maybe? Thanks for all the help so far!

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    I know plenty of guys who rip around the local hills/trails (SoCal) on TBs. I personally have the TB LTc. It climbs well but not quite as efficient as the 4" version.

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    The TB2 does have slacker head tube at 70.2 from the previous 71. Not sure why they didn't go with flat out 70 or 69.5? Plus it is lighter. I loved the tallboy carbon, I was not too happy with the RP23, maybe it was the tune on the shock. I suppose they could've increased the travel overall on the bike but it seems they didn't want to change it too dramatically. I would've like to see a 130mm fork option for customers like OP looking for more travel. While the TBC is a good bike, not good, it is a great bike, a bit more travel (with a bit slacker HTA/ 17in chain stays) would really make it hard to pass on.

    Listen its been discussed at length how good this bike really is on every MTB site, many threads, and for a reason. I just think, IMO, they could've done some more minor tweaks to it. Seems suspension has been adjusted for maximum pedal efficiency, one thing some did not like. OP, now is the time, where do you live? Look for a Santa Cruz demo in your area and test the TBC2 out. I also suggest you try out the TBLTC, you may really love that one too. Its going to be heavier but will give all the travel you need. Seems the TB2 will be a bit quicker bike, I thought the one I had last year was really fast.

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    OH I forgot, Santa Cruz is releasing one more new bike, so I've heard. Give it a couple of weeks and see what else they are coming out with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. 14 View Post
    The TB2 does have slacker head tube at 70.2 from the previous 71. Not sure why they didn't go with flat out 70 or 69.5? Plus it is lighter. I loved the tallboy carbon, I was not too happy with the RP23, maybe it was the tune on the shock. I suppose they could've increased the travel overall on the bike but it seems they didn't want to change it too dramatically. I would've like to see a 130mm fork option for customers like OP looking for more travel. While the TBC is a good bike, not good, it is a great bike, a bit more travel (with a bit slacker HTA/ 17in chain stays) would really make it hard to pass on.

    Listen its been discussed at length how good this bike really is on every MTB site, many threads, and for a reason. I just think, IMO, they could've done some more minor tweaks to it. Seems suspension has been adjusted for maximum pedal efficiency, one thing some did not like. OP, now is the time, where do you live? Look for a Santa Cruz demo in your area and test the TBC2 out. I also suggest you try out the TBLTC, you may really love that one too. Its going to be heavier but will give all the travel you need. Seems the TB2 will be a bit quicker bike, I thought the one I had last year was really fast.
    Someone already posted that they noticed the AC height was different. The original numbers were with a 100mm fork and the new numbers are with 120mm fork.
    I would guess the 120mm was the most popular option, so they went ahead and gave the numbers with that fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. 14 View Post
    OH I forgot, Santa Cruz is releasing one more new bike, so I've heard. Give it a couple of weeks and see what else they are coming out with.
    This is what I'm waiting for. Moving the TBLT to the all mountain category makes a lot of people suspect the new bike will be a 120mm Tallboy.
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    Gotta throw the Turner Czar into the discussion also. It looks killer and knowing Turner and Weagle, it will ride very well also.
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    If you are also looking at doing 50 milers on the bike then the Rip9 RDO would be Awesome, It is a super good pedaling bike, The CVA really works well.

    The frame is very stiff & with 125mm fear travel it soaks up the trail but is still XC bike fast.
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    Tallboy LT 2 coming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    If you are also looking at doing 50 milers on the bike then the Rip9 RDO would be Awesome, It is a super good pedaling bike, The CVA really works well.

    The frame is very stiff & with 125mm fear travel it soaks up the trail but is still XC bike fast.
    I agree. Maybe the best bike I've ridden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    I agree. Maybe the best bike I've ridden.

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    Holy jeebus what a beautiful bike. How do you compare it to the Ibis Ripley, Spider comp and SB95c as you mentioned above you have owned?

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    I loved the Ibis, so don't take this wrong but it just isn't the same type of bike as the Yeti, Spider and Rip9. It is fast, pedals fantastically and has a short wheelbase. However, it was a tad to "nimble" for my tastes. Part of this is probably due to the fact that I would fit better on an XL, but it was very twitchy on the fast, twisty, downward chunk. It turns so well that it totally threw me off. I guess I am just to used to slower turning bikes. It is like when you increase the x/y axis sensitivity on a video game, lots of over-correction going on.

    In terms of the Yeti and Spider, they are both fantastic but I think the Niner edges them both in suspension performance. I don't know if its the new bearing design they are using or what, but it feels that like there is no resistance to bumps/roots/rocks etc. Very impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    I agree. Maybe the best bike I've ridden.

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    Ok now I like the Black almost as much as the Blue, That bike looks Awesome
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    In comparison to the post above, the nimbleness of the Ripley really impressed me. For reference, I own the TBC and love it. I recently spent a weekend in Denver with demos of the Ripley and the SC Tallboy LTC. The Ripley was instantly comfortable but it took me a while to adjust to the slacked out geometry of the LTC. The Ripley is just as quick as the regular TB but slightly plusher. Once I adjusted to the TB LT geo, it was great fun but definitely a run over / jump off anything kind of bike, which to me, in my typical trail conditions, is a little overkill, and i prefer a more nimble, flickable bike. I haven't ridden the TB2 but I can tell you that the original TBC and the Ripley are pretty similar and both tons of fun, if you don't need deep travel or super slack geometry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    Ok now I like the Black almost as much as the Blue, That bike looks Awesome
    Thanks Muzz! Now if my Pike ever comes in it will be murdered out in black for sure.

    I kept re-visiting that conversation we had months ago when I was thinking about getting the Tallboy LTc vs. Turner Sultan. The black does look great. I have seen the blue in person and it is gorgeous with the metallic flake.

    I truly was amazed at how well the suspension performed. It was like there was no resistance to wheel tracking, you know like it is supposed to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMalo View Post
    In comparison to the post above, the nimbleness of the Ripley really impressed me. For reference, I own the TBC and love it. I recently spent a weekend in Denver with demos of the Ripley and the SC Tallboy LTC. The Ripley was instantly comfortable but it took me a while to adjust to the slacked out geometry of the LTC. The Ripley is just as quick as the regular TB but slightly plusher. Once I adjusted to the TB LT geo, it was great fun but definitely a run over / jump off anything kind of bike, which to me, in my typical trail conditions, is a little overkill, and i prefer a more nimble, flickable bike. I haven't ridden the TB2 but I can tell you that the original TBC and the Ripley are pretty similar and both tons of fun, if you don't need deep travel or super slack geometry.

    I agree with this 100%. I personally like to overkill/overbuild my bikes, but the Ripley would handle 99.9% of my riding in reality. I really want to try an XL sometime in the future.

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    Yes I have the Pike on mine now & it match's this bike so well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    Thanks Muzz! Now if my Pike ever comes in it will be murdered out in black for sure.

    I kept re-visiting that conversation we had months ago when I was thinking about getting the Tallboy LTc vs. Turner Sultan. The black does look great. I have seen the blue in person and it is gorgeous with the metallic flake.

    I truly was amazed at how well the suspension performed. It was like there was no resistance to wheel tracking, you know like it is supposed to be.
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    I'm sure it may be coming and I've been waiting for it, but will MTBR do a comparison of the RIP 9 RDO (125m travel) vs the Tallboy LTc (135mm travel)? Even throw in SB95, why not...

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    I Own the Rip9 RDO but haven't ridden either of the 2 bikes, But here is what I can say.

    When I brought the Rip9 RDO I was sure that the Jet9 RDO that I have & beleave to be about the best pedaling FS bike out there, would eat the Rip9 RDO on climbs & that is not the case.

    The Rip9 RDO with the CVA & being only 125mm rear travel has been enough to keep it pedaling like a fast XC bike but has enough travel to soak up most trails.

    The Tallboy LT rides seem to say that the LT doesn't pedal as well as the Std Tallboy & you wouldn't expect it to ( not that I rate the Std tallboy as being a good pedaling bike )

    Before I get people saying I don't know what I'm talking about just take into account that Santa Cruz say they have upgraded the Tallboy 2 in the places I have said for years it needed.

    So I can't say weather the Rip9 will be better on the downs than the LT ( It does have less travel ) but to go up & down I'm sure the Rip9 RDO will be better.

    I only know of 1 person so far that has gone from a Tallboy LTc to a Rip9 RDO & he seems happy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. 14 View Post
    I'm sure it may be coming and I've been waiting for it, but will MTBR do a comparison of the RIP 9 RDO (125m travel) vs the Tallboy LTc (135mm travel)? Even throw in SB95, why not...
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    That would be me, and the RDO is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confused View Post
    Trying to convince myself i dont need that much travel, The shortest travel bike I've ever had is the Lunchbox im riding now, I'm in the process of building a Canfield One for AM/DH use and would like a shorter travel 29er I can put some serious miles on. The problem I have is when I get to a rough (fun) spot, am I going to be wishing for a little more travel again? The Ripley 120 looks pretty interesting and may have just enough travel to keep me happy but for the trails i'll be riding probably not totally necessary. All the Tallboy reviews pretty much make it out to be the best 29er ever but some people seem to wish for a little more suspension. I wonder if the suspension refinements on the TB2 addressed that? I know the best thing to do is ride them all but haven't been able to find even one of to ride! Can the Ripley at 120mm pedal as well as the TB2 at 100mm? Is the TB2 going to be boring in the AZ chunky trails?

    Almost everyone on this website and on pinkbike, ridemonkey etc etc think they need more travel than they need. They end up with bikes that have more travel then end up throwing dollars at the (over) bike they just bought trying to make it lighter.

    Where do you live? What kinds of trails do you ride? You mention AZ but that's a big place. Sedona? Phoenix?

    Are you a big guy? Small guy? Weight?

    What about improving your skills so you can handle the rougher/funner spot better even when you're on the smaller bike? Then just enjoying the smaller bike for what it is? Not trying to be an ass here but just making an alternate suggestion
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    Very well said.

    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    Almost everyone on this website and on pinkbike, ridemonkey etc etc think they need more travel than they need. They end up with bikes that have more travel then end up throwing dollars at the (over) bike they just bought trying to make it lighter.

    Where do you live? What kinds of trails do you ride? You mention AZ but that's a big place. Sedona? Phoenix?

    Are you a big guy? Small guy? Weight?

    What about improving your skills so you can handle the rougher/funner spot better even when you're on the smaller bike? Then just enjoying the smaller bike for what it is? Not trying to be an ass here but just making an alternate suggestion
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    LeeL, was hoping you would chime in. I know you like the TB and have been riding everything under the sun. Do you still own an is it still your favorite bike? I know you have been doing a lot on the 650b's lately, Liking those better? Anyways Im 6', 230 geared up and have ok skills. I've been riding big travel bikes forever and have become a point and shoot rider. I had a Yelli Screamy for a while and that was a little nerve racking at times because I had to slow it down and pick better lines or constantly pinch flat. I live in Phx and the trails here are pretty rough, or the newer trails they are building are like sidewalks. I do go to Sedona, Prescott, Flagg, and Sunrise. I'm building a Canfield One for the big days but tired of dying on my Lunchbox on the XCish longer rides I do. I'm kinda scared of 100mm at my weight and was wondering if the new crop of 120's were anywhere close in performance. I'm sure 100mm is plenty but its just a mental block I think. Still looking for a demo on one of these things, its hot here so no tours coming for a while!

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    Re: Tallboy 2 or Ripley?

    I believe the 71 degree angle was measured with 100mm fork, while 70.2 is with 120...

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    I'm a 6'2" and near 200 pound endurance racer, and cannot budge the new Turner Czar. Really stiff laterally. Fast, firm, but just smooth enough. Handles nimbly, but is NOT twitchy with a 100 mm fork (120 would suit it fine too, I think). Really begs for the whip, and pedals oh so efficiently during those last few hours of an all day suffer-fest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by confused View Post
    Trying to convince myself i dont need that much travel, The shortest travel bike I've ever had is the Lunchbox im riding now, I'm in the process of building a Canfield One for AM/DH use and would like a shorter travel 29er I can put some serious miles on. The problem I have is when I get to a rough (fun) spot, am I going to be wishing for a little more travel again? The Ripley 120 looks pretty interesting and may have just enough travel to keep me happy but for the trails i'll be riding probably not totally necessary. All the Tallboy reviews pretty much make it out to be the best 29er ever but some people seem to wish for a little more suspension. I wonder if the suspension refinements on the TB2 addressed that? I know the best thing to do is ride them all but haven't been able to find even one of to ride! Can the Ripley at 120mm pedal as well as the TB2 at 100mm? Is the TB2 going to be boring in the AZ chunky trails?
    At 230# you're a good deal bigger than me. Mass matters. I ride the Tallboy (personal bike) very hard but I'm only 160lbs so am hesitant to recommend that for a big guy.

    Mike Levy loved the Ripley and like me he rides smaller bikes like bigger bikes so I'd say his impressions out of the Pinkbike review should be taken pretty seriously.

    Bottom line is that for you at your size and weight and given the fact that you have the happy circumstance of living in one of the few places in the US where the trails are seriously abusive and technical if you have a 29er you need either heavy'ish wheels (think Stans Arch or Flows as opposed to Crests) and at least a 34mm fork.

    I have no opinion on Niners since I've not ridden any.

    I like the 650b's I've tried but to be honest, I don't view them as any much different than a 26" wheeled bike other than in specific situations where I'm switching on reviewer brain and trying to look for a difference.

    I thought the Lunchbox was fine when I rode it but it was set up as a bigger bike and not as a pedalling bike. Bluntly, it was ordinary. But it was my first longer travel 29er and I've now come to the opinion after riding a few that I personally don't really enjoy long travel 29ers and prefer them in the shorter travel versions.

    I'll be getting a Czar but it'll be in light weight guy build so I doubt I can say much of relevance about it to you till I actually get some riding time on it.

    Bottom line - to me its not the travel so much as the fact that all your components need to be a bit burlier. Also take a long hard look at geo as you'd want something which will allow you to have fun in AZ type terrain, which is radically different than terrain in many other places
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    At 230# you're a good deal bigger than me. Mass matters. I ride the Tallboy (personal bike) very hard but I'm only 160lbs so am hesitant to recommend that for a big guy.

    Mike Levy loved the Ripley and like me he rides smaller bikes like bigger bikes so I'd say his impressions out of the Pinkbike review should be taken pretty seriously.

    Bottom line is that for you at your size and weight and given the fact that you have the happy circumstance of living in one of the few places in the US where the trails are seriously abusive and technical if you have a 29er you need either heavy'ish wheels (think Stans Arch or Flows as opposed to Crests) and at least a 34mm fork.

    I have no opinion on Niners since I've not ridden any.

    I like the 650b's I've tried but to be honest, I don't view them as any much different than a 26" wheeled bike other than in specific situations where I'm switching on reviewer brain and trying to look for a difference.

    I thought the Lunchbox was fine when I rode it but it was set up as a bigger bike and not as a pedalling bike. Bluntly, it was ordinary. But it was my first longer travel 29er and I've now come to the opinion after riding a few that I personally don't really enjoy long travel 29ers and prefer them in the shorter travel versions.

    I'll be getting a Czar but it'll be in light weight guy build so I doubt I can say much of relevance about it to you till I actually get some riding time on it.

    Bottom line - to me its not the travel so much as the fact that all your components need to be a bit burlier. Also take a long hard look at geo as you'd want something which will allow you to have fun in AZ type terrain, which is radically different than terrain in many other places
    I built my TBc to be somewhat of the trail bike you describe. I'm 200lb out of the shower, put a Float 34mm shimmed to 120mm on the front and 36 hole Hope 2 Evos with FlowEX. I'm enjoying it as a trail bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by confused View Post
    Trying to convince myself i dont need that much travel, The shortest travel bike I've ever had is the Lunchbox im riding now, I'm in the process of building a Canfield One for AM/DH use and would like a shorter travel 29er I can put some serious miles on. The problem I have is when I get to a rough (fun) spot, am I going to be wishing for a little more travel again? The Ripley 120 looks pretty interesting and may have just enough travel to keep me happy but for the trails i'll be riding probably not totally necessary. All the Tallboy reviews pretty much make it out to be the best 29er ever but some people seem to wish for a little more suspension. I wonder if the suspension refinements on the TB2 addressed that? I know the best thing to do is ride them all but haven't been able to find even one of to ride! Can the Ripley at 120mm pedal as well as the TB2 at 100mm? Is the TB2 going to be boring in the AZ chunky trails?
    What's wrong with the Lunchbox?

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    The Lunchbox is a great, probably the best long travel trail bike out there! I just have a constant need to try new things and the Canfield has been calling my name for a while. I have a feeling I going to regret selling it but I guess I can always get another!

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    If you outride a 100mm FS 29er like a Tallboy or maybe something like the RM Element BC Edition, and want a longer travel FS 29er, I'd suggest checking out:

    Yeti SB95c
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    Cannondale Trigger 29 1 (with Lefty Supermax)
    Cube Stereo Super HPC 29

    If the Trigger 29 1 comes out in carbon, I'd put that at the top of my list.

    I will say though, it's very hard to really outride a quality 100mm FS 29er on any trail which you can pedal up using your own power. I did a lot even on my GF Superfly 100, which is considered flexy by today's standards (light, balanced, and forgiving in its day), to the point I felt like I was outriding it and while the TB felt better, it wasn't enough of an upgrade that justified buying it. I went from the SF100 to a SB95, sold on its confidence and capability, which actually turned out to be overkill, too heavy, too small (size small, since I was more interested in stack height and wheelbase), with suspension so good it made my local trails not challenging anymore. I then went to a Spider 29 Comp, which I feel is better than the competition at the time (really only the Tallboy LTc, before SB95c came out), and had the longer 23.5" TT I like for an all-around versatile trail bike, but I find my hardtail a bit more enjoyable than it for some reason, which I started riding more ever since the SB95 turned me onto it (to get the challenge back).

    I'd recommend picking according to your skill level and local trails difficulty level. Don't be too hopeful, thinking you'd ride tougher out of town trails more with a bigger bike. The SB95 is a serious enabler and the Trigger takes that even further, closer to a DH bike in capability and confidence. If you're a newbie who cowers so much that you don't attempt sections that are consider merely intermediate, these would help knock down the mental barriers; if you're experienced and have a decent skill base that's ever expanding, riding for 2-3 years as your join date indicates, I'd say go for the lighter and shorter travel bike. IMO, of course. You asked for my "favorites" (29ers), and I listed them, according to the interest I have in them. Things seem to be getting better and better, though in relatively minor increments. If you're chasing the "best for you", expect to find your ride getting trumped by some new release that might suit you better in no time. Ask yourself, what's good enough for you, rather than simply what's good, and you might just find yourself satisfied with a "lesser" bike. If it weren't for the deals I got on the SB95 and Spider 29 Comp, not really losing money moving up from the SB95 (alloy) considering how much I rode it, I wouldn't have really upgraded from the Superfly 100.
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    Anybody ridden a Devinci Atlas carbon? I keep coming back to this one, very interesting! Hard to find many good ride reports on it though. The seat angle looks a little funky and the short stays seem like they would be fun but whats the downside to them? I was just checking out the Cube, also another very interesting bike. I think i need to ride the RDO though, some pretty convincing testimonies here. Never have been a Niner fan, especially with the aircraft carrier length chainstays and steep head angles. They've improved a little but maybe it just doesn't matter like Collin+M says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confused View Post
    Anybody ridden a Devinci Atlas carbon? I keep coming back to this one, very interesting! Hard to find many good ride reports on it though. The seat angle looks a little funky and the short stays seem like they would be fun but whats the downside to them? I was just checking out the Cube, also another very interesting bike. I think i need to ride the RDO though, some pretty convincing testimonies here. Never have been a Niner fan, especially with the aircraft carrier length chainstays and steep head angles. They've improved a little but maybe it just doesn't matter like Collin+M says.
    The thread right above this one right now has many pages and is about the devinci atlas carbon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by confused View Post
    Never have been a Niner fan, especially with the aircraft carrier length chainstays and steep head angles. They've improved a little but maybe it just doesn't matter like Collin+M says.
    I think those were their original FS bikes of years past. On paper the new RIP9 RDO is just as slack at 69.5 and the chainstays are actually shorter at 17.7 than the LTc at 17.9. Both with 140mm forks.
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    The Ripley looks more like a long-legged XC bike on paper with a 120, but throw on a 140mm fork and it becomes slacker than both bikes at 68.5 and has 17.5" cs length. I will ride all three if I can.

    What I've learned is to ride bikes rather than look at geo figures. I have a Giant with 18.2" chainstays that rides better than some of my friends $6000+ carbon bikes with shorter chainstays.

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    It's more about the sum of the parts and how they all work together rather than focusing on one or two Geometry numbers. In other words, you don't know until you try.

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    I have owned a Jet 9 RDO and a now own a Tallboy carbon. The Tallboy climbs better but the Jet 9 RDO is slightly smoother on the descents. Both are great bike but neither is better then the other. The Jet 9 has weird sizing: medium is smaller and the large is big. Both are great bikes. The Yet SB95c may have the best mix of both attributes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    There is a lot that you need to work out for your needs.

    Some times being under biked can be a lot of fun & give the rider a lot faster feel ( even if sometimes it's not )

    I had a Jet9 alloy & my 09 Rip9 alloy at the same time & the Rip9 Alloy was all but as fast as my alloy jet9 but it felt slower & not as much fun on the easy trails.

    So the lighter carbon bikes with more travel feel much more alive on the easy trails than the heavier alloy version bikes used to.

    So the options get bigger if you spend more money.

    I have been using a Jet9 RDO for over the last year & it is a very very good pedaler & it is very quick in the ruff as well.

    I also have a Rip9 RDO & it is 125mm in the rear where the Jet9 RDO is 100mm.

    I was expecting the Rip9 RDO to be no where near as good of a pedaling bike or climber as the Jet9 RDO, But man it is very close.

    The Rip9 RDO would still work well if you were looking to do some races & wanted a bike that you can go & deal to the ruff as well.

    My Rip9 RDO is built with 780mm bars, Pike 35 fork, dropper seat post, 180mm rotors.XX1, I9 trail carbon wheels & the bike comes in at 26.6 lb & it still feels very alive even on easy trails.

    So fame weights & price of the top end bikes are not to far off each other, So work out what build kit you can afford to put on it & that may help work out what bike would be best with that build kit.
    Great advice... Just try something non Niner as well.


    On a side note I need accesses to Muz's bike bank account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    It's more about the sum of the parts and how they all work together rather than focusing on one or two Geometry numbers. In other words, you don't know until you try.
    I have a slack HT (Intesnse Hard Eddie)... I am only slightly slower on AM type down hill trails vs. My 5 1/4 FS travel bike. Its a lot of fun too... Slack geo makes it possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    Almost everyone on this website and on pinkbike, ridemonkey etc etc think they need more travel than they need. They end up with bikes that have more travel then end up throwing dollars at the (over) bike they just bought trying to make it lighter.

    What about improving your skills so you can handle the rougher/funner spot better even when you're on the smaller bike? Then just enjoying the smaller bike for what it is? Not trying to be an ass here but just making an alternate suggestion
    With the current crop of bikes I think this post rings true. I have been happily surprised how much more I enjoy riding my 140mm Knolly Endorphin over my 160mm Chilcotin in almost every situation.
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