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    "Tai"-Jones

    I'm surprised I haven't seen more of these posted:







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    I have yet to see a ride report for one of these, so... how's it feel? Can you compare it to a Ti Jones?

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    Does Jeff actually have them in now?

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    I'm not, at least not for the price he's asking for them. You'd think they were still being built in a little one man shop by Jeff himself for the price he wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed
    how much are we talking here?
    http://jonesbikes.com/production_framesets.html
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    so close...

    I was so close to pulling a trigger on one, but I just couldn't be swayed to rebuild 2 nearly new front wheels....

    How's the ride??
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    Lots o Rigid

    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
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    How many rigid SS's does one man need?

    OT sorta, Still gettin' the Nimble 9's?

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    Looks like a Black sheep ripoff, he should pay royalties

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    How does she ride compared to the Stickel? I was kinda sorta looking at one before I got my ByStickel.....Very Nice indeed, I like the Black themes. Later dude, and enjoy her.

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    Was that Aqua's at one time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7HVN
    How many rigid SS's does one man need?
    Wah, huh?

    N+1

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    OT sorta, Still gettin' the Nimble 9's?
    If I do, something will have to go.
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssumo
    How does she ride compared to the Stickel? I was kinda sorta looking at one before I got my ByStickel.....Very Nice indeed, I like the Black themes. Later dude, and enjoy her.
    Stickel is springier and noodlier, especially with the carbon fork.

    Stickel is slightly nimbler and wheelies better due to 1/2 inch shorter stays.

    Wheel base on the bikes is nearly identical ~42" or so, the Stickel just puts the BB 1/2" further back between the axles.

    This bike feels much stiffer/deader on impact, but the front end is incredibly confidence inspiring. Almost no detectable for-aft flex. It is burly for sure.

    It feels and handles a lot like my beloved Simon Bar except with a properly stiff fork, and without the ping of Aluminum.

    There is nothing I dislike about it, but if I went custom would shorten the rear 1/2" and lengthen the front center 1/2"

    For the price of this frame I don't think you can go wrong if you are a committed rigid rider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rroeder
    Looks like a Black sheep ripoff, he should pay royalties
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    @MMcG: Take a closer look. This is the diamond frame model while Aqua has the steel spaceframe one.

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    Looks gorgeous, tai or ti. Nice one, you're drinking deep

    I've realised in my ~3 months of being rigid that stiffer is better. The opposite of what I thought before acquisition

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    Enel, nice, what rims are you using?
    Also, what some are missing is the fact that the frames come w/ a fork. Diamond and Spaceframe. rich

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    Quote Originally Posted by Britney Spears
    @MMcG: Take a closer look. This is the diamond frame model while Aqua has the steel spaceframe one.
    Oh.

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    nice

    Do you think it is worth the upgrade for the truss over the unicrown fork? I like the bike, dont care if it is a bit spendy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    I'm not, at least not for the price he's asking for them. You'd think they were still being built in a little one man shop by Jeff himself for the price he wants.
    Dont you ride a paradox? Those are 600$ and the Jones are 750 for frame and fork and bushnell bb. Doesn't get spendy until you add a truss fork then it is 1100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chromagnus
    Do you think it is worth the upgrade for the truss over the unicrown fork? I like the bike, dont care if it is a bit spendy.
    The truss is the whole reason I bought the frame/fork combo. I got a little taste of it on Aqua's bike and really liked the feel. It is unlike any two bladed fork I have ridden.

    I have not ridden the Jones two blade, so no idea how it compares.
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    gotcha

    yeah sorry about that. I didnt figure that you had the unicrown, but your last post is telling if you think it feels better than any other rigid fork. good enough of a review/comparison for me. Nice to see a review of the frame.

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    Tai, hehe clever!
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    I have the original diamond 24 " ti version of that bike and I love it. It full on rips.
    Like you, I run the bike with 70mm stem and wide flat bar. I did not like the Jones bar on my bike. With that setup it feels and handles like a big wheel bmx bike.
    The fork tracks incredibly well, I am amazed at the stuff I can shred on this bike. I too wish the stays were a little shorter and also that there was more tire clearance, but other than that I have never had so much fun on a rigid bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjedoaks
    Enel, nice, what rims are you using?
    Also, what some are missing is the fact that the frames come w/ a fork. Diamond and Spaceframe. rich
    Flows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chromagnus
    yeah sorry about that. I didnt figure that you had the unicrown, but your last post is telling if you think it feels better than any other rigid fork. good enough of a review/comparison for me. Nice to see a review of the frame.
    I would not say it is better than any other fork. It feels different from every other fork I personally have tried. It is much more rigid when standing on the front wheel. There is none of the fore-aft resonance that is often seen under braking on a rigid. I would say it rides harsh, but I think all rigid forks pretty much ride harsh and am certainly no fork snob. To me rigid is rigid.

    I would like to try a Niner carbon because it is super light and seems to be designed to alleviate the same fore-aft thing.
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    Looks great Enel!

    I should have mine with a basic fork in the next few weeks I suppose. Looking forward to it!

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    I think I am adapting nicely:




    Jordan would be proud.

    I got out for a more woodsy ride this afternoon with the spawn. He noticed the "Jones" sticker sparkled in rainbow colors in direct sun, but I never saw it. Apparently it glows in the dark also:



    Nice touch.

    I didn't get much up to speed, but climbing felt like pretty much every bike, and the few times I got up to speed descending, it was super predictable with lots of front end grip. When the front lost traction, it was easy and predictable to manage it. Tire pressures are too high and I got a bit of a beating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Flows.
    thanks, I know JJ has his own branded 135 front hub now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    I'm not, at least not for the price he's asking for them. You'd think they were still being built in a little one man shop by Jeff himself for the price he wants.
    $750 is a lot of money for a frame & fork?

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    @ Enel - Do you think you will notice the difference in the wider hub compared to other wheels you've ridden, or do you think that will be too hard to discern due to the truss fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    @ Enel - Do you think you will notice the difference in the wider hub compared to other wheels you've ridden, or do you think that will be too hard to discern due to the truss fork?
    I don't think I can tell. Theoretically it should be a stronger, more durable wheel, but I can't remember the last time I killed a front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
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    It'd look betterer with the ti truss fork on.

    If only someone had a used on for sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    I would like to try a Niner carbon because it is super light and seems to be designed to alleviate the same fore-aft thing.
    I think the Niner Fork on your ByStickel will be a very noticeable difference over the On One Carbon.
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    To answer the first question, Yes I ride a Paradox, MSRP is $600 for them.

    As to the cost of the Jones, no I guess when you have other steel frames in that price range (not that I'd pay that for any of them since you can get a custom steel for about $800), but that was not what was being thrown about when they were being talked about, much, much higher. Also, then you have steel frames & fork for under $500 like the KM, so also, yes it's a lot. The there's the biggest BS of only being in one size, I mean really, now all of a sudden a 5'6" person should ride the same size bike as a 6'2" person? Give me a break.

    Quote Originally Posted by chromagnus
    Dont you ride a paradox? Those are 600$ and the Jones are 750 for frame and fork and bushnell bb. Doesn't get spendy until you add a truss fork then it is 1100.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky
    I think the Niner Fork on your ByStickel will be a very noticeable different over the On One Carbon.
    And it comes tapered
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    And it comes tapered
    Yep, I've thought about getting one for mine at some point as well. Now if only it came with 15mm axle option too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky
    Yep, I've thought about getting one for mine at some point as well. Now if only it came with 15mm axle option too.
    I think Ragley is working on something like that.

    Despite the fork, the Bystickel and the Jones are on opposite ends of the stiffness spectrum of bikes I have owned. The Bystickel feels a lot like my Zion brand steel frame or an On-One Inbred. A bit flexy, and I can wind up the rear, but man it is comfy. The Jones is close to the Simon Bar: mega stiff, punishing, and precise. A Karate Monkey would be in between. The stays on the Jones dwarf the Zion/Stickel stays. This thing is pretty overbuilt. That's probably why Aqua hasn't broken his yet.

    I don't think there is a right answer for how stiff is just perfect, and how stiff is too stiff but I think riders will definitely have their preferences.

    Stiff=more punishing
    Flexy= slightly less punishing
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    I thought that - looks as stiff as the Paradox out back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    To answer the first question, Yes I ride a Paradox, MSRP is $600 for them.

    As to the cost of the Jones, no I guess when you have other steel frames in that price range (not that I'd pay that for any of them since you can get a custom steel for about $800), but that was not what was being thrown about when they were being talked about, much, much higher. Also, then you have steel frames & fork for under $500 like the KM, so also, yes it's a lot. The there's the biggest BS of only being in one size, I mean really, now all of a sudden a 5'6" person should ride the same size bike as a 6'2" person? Give me a break.
    Custom steel bike for 800? Comparing to a KM (which is a POS IMO)?

    As to being only one size, if it doesn't fit, don't buy it. 750 for a frame and fork is not that much.

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    Get a fatty on the front

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightySchmoePong
    Custom steel bike for 800? Comparing to a KM (which is a POS IMO)?

    As to being only one size, if it doesn't fit, don't buy it. 750 for a frame and fork is not that much.
    But it's not a 'custom' frame is it? It only comes in one stock size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clink
    But it's not a 'custom' frame is it? It only comes in one stock size.
    Didn't say it was. The guy I was responding to said that you could get a custom steel bike built for 800 bucks. I was just questioning that.

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    Well thank you Enel. Now it really so much easyer to wait till the end of month... Aargh! (Chewbacca cry)

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    I was not out on my Jones today, but I did see 2 steel spaceframe big front wheel Jones on there maiden ride. A father and son combo that I see often and have talked loads about my Jones have purchased them. One was black and on was blue.... Geared though. They looked sharp... To be honest, I am not a fan of the big front wheel....

    Enel, bike looks mean.... Sucks we dont have the hard core techy terrain like Aqua does etc....
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    Indulge me with some words/thoughts/spew:

    Besides a couple short shakedown rides last week, my first real ride on this thing occurred in Sedona this past weekend with Aqua. I felt comfortable on the bike immediately and charged the thing hard from what was essentially my second hour on the bike. I felt comfortable in technical high consequence terrain, in standing climbing, and at high speeds.

    This frame and fork combo rides unlike any I have ever ridden. The front end stiffness/tracking is simply off the charts beyond any other combo I have tried. It's not even close.

    The magical combination of the short A-C, long head tube, triangulated, double clamped truss fork, and 135 front wheel spacing yields a precise, planted feel with minimal fork flex/wiggle under braking and under side loads.

    I did a little experiment in the garage last night. I took my four rigid bikes and held the front brake and balanced them on the front wheel, and just pushed up and down until I found the resonant frequency where they would vibrate back and forth a bit. It is in the range of 2-3 herz for these bikes.

    Bystickel/On-One carbon fork vibrated the slowest, and by far the most, even bouncing up off the ground if I kept it going at the resonant frequency. I tried it again with a Steel fork it felt less flexy, and the vibration frequency was a bit higher.

    Karate Monkey Frame/fork was about the same as the Stickel/steel fork.

    Aluminum frame/Carbon fork vibrated still a little faster and felt less flexy.

    Jones frame/truss fork flexed an order of magnitude less than any of the other combos and the frequency was out of the ball park higher than the other frames.

    Perhaps what I am noticing is the difference between a suspension corrected versus non-corrected frame? I am open to input here because I simply can't believe how dramatic the difference is with this bike.

    I have never had a non-corrected frame before, and am open to anyone's thoughts...

    It is such a random fluke that I even own this thing. My curiosity was stimulated from a very short parking lot demo on Aqua's frame that I got in October. I was impressed enough from 1 minute on his bike to want to try it for myself. Without that brief demo ride I never would have ordered a Jones in the first place (seriously, I have enough bikes). I would probably still be riding in ignorant bliss.

    There is also no way I would spend the money for a custom Jones. Simply too much $$ for my taste (not to mention the wait and the closed waiting list!). When I heard about the Taiwan deal, I figured the price was fair enough and snapped one up.

    The Jones is a laser focused rigid "All Mountain" bike. I wanted to poo poo it as an exercise in marketing/swoopiness over substance (seriously, I bought it to test with every intention of not liking it and reselling it again fairly fast). Unfortunately I am completely impressed with the way it rides. I have never ridden a rigid bike that rides as well.

    Downsides so far: It's a bit heavy, 27.2 seat tube won't accept my 5" dropper post, the frame can never use a suspension fork, the cockpit is a little tight standing, and a little long seated, the slack STA doesn't suit me much for seated riding, and the stays' minimum length is 16.9" (maybe 16.85"). It rides very firm and does not coddle you. I feel it rewards a more aggressive rider and comes more alive the harder it is pushed.

    For those waiting for their frames: Sucks to be you right now , but I think you will be very pleased as they arrive over the next month or so.
    Last edited by Enel; 02-16-2011 at 10:15 AM.
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    When I bought my Jones - it was a complete leap of faith - I'd never even ridden a 29er before

    When I spoke to Jeff - he explained the advantages of the truss fork - I was thinking that it can't make that much difference surely?

    Enel - you should try a fatty on it - adds a whole new dimension to the bike - you'll have two bikes for the price of 1! I love the way the Larry rolls over just about anything - after a few weeks on the Larry - I swap over to a 29er wheel and enjoy the extra speed and nimbleness that brings


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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    I don't think I can tell. Theoretically it should be a stronger, more durable wheel, but I can't remember the last time I killed a front.
    Do nicked sliders on a Marz 44 count as a "kill" from rock gouges? Arizona kills everything. You either get stung, spined, cooked, baked, or ground up on the rocks and minerals out there, it's rough country on equipment.

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