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    This thread and the others that discuss this bike and it's riding qualities has been both inspirational and enlightening. I am now waiting for my Tai Jones to arrive and Like those of you who have waited and are waiting I feel ya. I"ll be really interested in how I'm going to build it up and if I will get a fat wheel also.

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    We both love this thing.

    I wrote this at the beginning of the thread 7 months ago:

    "The Jones is a laser focused rigid "All Mountain" bike. I wanted to poo poo it as an exercise in marketing/swoopiness over substance (seriously, I bought it to test with every intention of not liking it and reselling it again fairly fast). Unfortunately I am completely impressed with the way it rides. I have never ridden a rigid bike that rides as well."

    Nothing in the above statement has changed in my mind.

    Nothing broken yet. I did get a squeak from a loos EBB, so I just snugged it a bit tighter and have not had any issues for a month or two.

    I want to pick up another one, so if you bought one and didn't like it, contact me.
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    Man I like that picture that drop really loos worse than it felt.I am going to try to give the fat front another chance I tried it once and wasnt impresed but according to the experts
    I must try it more than a handful of times to get really get a feel for it.I will try it a while
    but Im still not sure of any really benefits .I just really cant stand the way it looks!!

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    Here's mine.. been riding it for a couple of months and getting it all settled in. Not a lot new to add really, just another nice frame and forks built up..

    (Sorry the pics aren't good)

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    The things I notice most riding this bike? This seems to be what most riders asked about the bike.. apart from "wtf is THAT??" and "is that a hybrid?" .. cheers for that.. : )

    Comfort. I added reflective strips on the frame and fork because my 3-5 hour loops have recently become 7-9 hours or more. I've found new trails, I explored - I got 'diverted' and rode home in the dark. In TOTAL comfort, like I've not known before. I expect I could feel comfortable for that time on a light FS bike, but it's not the same fresh, efficient, ergonomic comfort I have here. All my (minor) concerns about fit have gone, I've adapted to it easily and quickly and it feels so natural now. My first 4 or 5 2-3hr rides were worrying as I got a minor lower back pain, but it was simply unused muscles waking up - it's all gone now. It feels like a bike I've had for years.
    Now I've got used to the feel of the bike I really do feel the give at the rear, mainly the return spring after a landing compression, but also on faster, small-bump trails where it's really smooth. Less give up front, but the tyre and the grip position relative to the axle makes it really comfy and controllable anyway.

    FUN! This bike is like a 4X / FR hardtail and a lightweight XC bike rolled into one, the good bits of both.. it flies over, above and off things so well (I'm no big-dropper or jumper, just comparing to other fun bikes I've had on the same trails). It bunnyhops with ease, the front end pops up at will, it's just great fun to ride. I don't shy away from the fun lines like I sometimes did on my other rigid SS. And it covers ground on easy trails like an XC bike, so I can ride from place to place hitting the good stuff while always feeling like I'm on the right bike.

    A cheat bike? Some moves feel so much easier to get right on the Jones. A few tricky bits of slo-mo tech that I maybe clear in 1 in 2 or 3 attempts prevously are now most-of-the-time clears. It's got better body positioning from the start so I'm feeling in the right position to make the move. This really helps someone like me, I have the basic skills for technical riding but I'm inconsistent and need to feel confident on a bike to ride at my best.

    Confidence in the tyres / wheels - maybe all 29ers should be like this? 135mm front / dishless Hope SS rear with P35 rims and Ardent tubeless tyres at about 18psi are so stiff and so grippy, I'm glad I listened to Jeff's advice on the rims. I'd need to go a bit higher-pressure on faster rockier trails, but for fast rooty singletrack they're perfect.

    There's been a lot of glowing praise for this bike in the past and I can only agree with it, there's nothing I can add. I do think this may be the most 'complete', or best-evolved, bike I've come across though. In terms of being a fine example of what a bike (not just an MTB, but a 'bike') should be, I can't think of a more interesting design. The way it covers such a wide range of riding so well and works as a system (F+F, bar, wheel, geometry etc) puts it in a very small group of bikes.
    I was at a classic car + motorbike show a few weeks back. I was asked by a chap with some vintage motorbikes on show how old the Jones was. "3 weeks!" I said proudly. "Er, you get her second-hand then?" the guy said - he was thinking it was a classic 50's bike! I can see the links. There were some similar ideas in the old motorbike forks there.

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    Well said. I sold my Lynskey to get my Jones, having never ridden a Jones. That was a bit scary but it worked out. In retrospect, the Lynskey handling was so mediocre, more so when rigid. I knew from my first ride on the Jones that I made the right call. I too was skeptical of the hype. Many products these days are far over hyped and don't deliver. Jones delivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atom29 View Post
    I knew from my first ride on the Jones that I made the right call. I too was skeptical of the hype. Many products these days are far over hyped and don't deliver. Jones delivers.
    Ditto:

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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    James-o, your initial thoughts on the jones could have been written by me. I'm totally on the same spot as you with my jones. The adventure has started and I totally love it.

    It's that good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by octavius View Post
    James-o, your initial thoughts on the jones could have been written by me. I'm totally on the same spot as you with my jones. The adventure has started and I totally love it.

    It's that good.
    Great stuff, If you're enjoying the ride as much as I am, you must be a very happy rider : )


    Another 9hrs on the Jones today.. It's my time-machine bike, I don't know where the hours go. I started riding rigid SS partly to make my local trails (Chilterns singletrack) more technically challenging and fun. The Jones has gone and messed all that up, today I was scuffing in a off-stump-drop line into a bombhole (looked good, rode a bit lame) and tring to find something higher than about 2ft to wheelie off, just because the bike feels so capable. Rode a new line down a local hill, a very steep stall, line-up and shoot kind of run weaving around trees and down banks, the kind of trail I like most. The bike felt so balanced and easy to ride on a trail like that, almost made it feel easy.

    Enel, great vids again.. I wish I had some stuff like that locally. Dunno if i'd ride it as well but it'd be fun trying.

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    Hey Enel, Just wanted to resurface your thread to let you know how important this thread, and the other Jones threads, was/were in helping me decide to get this:
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    Hey Enel, Just wanted to resurface your thread to let you know how important this thread, and the other Jones threads, were in helping me decide to get this:
    Sorry to quote my own post, but I haven't figured out text wrap yet. So I got my first shake-down ride in. To echo what other people have said, but to apply my own anology, this bike always feels perfectly balanced beneath you. Think of balancing a broom stick across your finger. Get your finger in the middle of the handle, with equal weight distribution, and the stick calms and your hand can relax. Move your finger position on the stick and inch or two either way and you have to struggle to find equilibrium. On other bikes, I always felt like I was shifting my weight around on the bike to find the sweet spot, depending upon terrain. On the Jones, I always feel like I'm in the spot. Hanging back off the bike to go downhill. Balanced. Standing to climb. Balanced. Weight forward to sit and spin. Balanced. Always. Like a finger dead center of a balanced broom stick.

    On the fat front. I have a pretty light set-up as fat fronts go. The tire comes in at 1150 grams, and the q tube I'm using is about as light as it gets. I can wheelie and get the front up no problem. Even easier than on the Yelli I used to ride. I do notice the weight going uphill, but the bike climbs so well that the big wheel doesn't frustrate me. However, the climbs on my home trails are short, steep, and punchy. I don't have to grind for very long before I'm going downhill again. It's not bad. I'll put it this way: the fat front came with the bike, as I bought second-hand--thanks Nitrous, and I can't afford a 29er wheel for some time. I'm not the least bit worried about riding that fat front all summer.

    Oh, and I included a pic of the MRP bling ring just because I got one.

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    ^ Very nice

    I would be tempted to put some tape around the ST/DT/BB junction just in case the chain drops in off the ring.

    While your chain may have been potty trained to make it not fall off, it only has to happen once and your tubes are deeply scratched (I don't use any kind of anti-drop devise on my 1x9 set-up btw, but have got clear 'helicopter tape' for the odd occasion)

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    Awesome BSV, good to hear it's working out for ya. Now you'll have to post an updated pic when the new purchase makes it on there.
    "I ride to clear my head, my head is clearer when I'm riding SS. Therefore, I choose to ride SS."~ Fullrange Drew

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    Hey Enel, Just wanted to resurface your thread to let you know how important this thread, and the other Jones threads, were in helping me decide to get this:
    Wow, thanks. I have to say that after well over a year on the Tai-Fe-Jones, I still feel quite at home on the bike. Nothing else is tempting me as far as rigid bikes go.

    I did get another used Tai-Fe-Spaceframe and build it up identical to the Diamond/truss. Riding them back to back, my first impression is that I really prefer the diamond frame. Go figure. I'll post some more pics/words on both when I get time.
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    Hey Enel, Just wanted to resurface your thread to let you know how important this thread, and the other Jones threads, were in helping me decide to get this:
    Sweet, sweet ride. So the rear wheel is a 29er and the front wheel is one of the larger 26 tires?

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    Enel. A lot of people crap on mtbr by saying nothing can be learned about bikes by reading other people's opinions about them. I disagree. Sure, I got the chance to demo a Jones before I bought, but reading about the bike allowed me to recognize where a Jones would suit my needs. And that I should find a way to test drive. I appreciate the time you put into this thread.

    Ryan G. The front wheel is a 26 inch, 50mm wide, fat rim. These are generally used on fat bikes, and there's a forum on mtbr dedicated to full-fat bikes. The tire on my bike is claimed to be 4 inches wide--though I don't think it's even close to that wide--and the volume of the tire brings it very close to where the circumference of a 29 inch wheel with a 29er tire is. I believe most riders would consider it a fat tire, and not a 26 inch tire. You should check out the fat bike thread.

    Bonesetter. Excellent advice. I was going to get an N-gear jump stop, but I've been reading that it's not entirely reliable. That may be user error of course. I don't like the looks of most chain keepers, plus I find them outrageously expensive for a small piece of plastic. I like your tape idea. I have no idea what helicopter tape is though. Got a link? I wouldn't mind a pic too, if it wasn't a problem for you. Maybe pm me. Edit: google is my friend. So I'd still be interested in a pic and some wrapping advice. Also, does it hold up well to water?

    Nitrousjunky. One last thanks, and now I'm done. I'm very happy with the bike. Your advice has been very handy. I think I'm going to ride this unicrown fork for about a month before I switch to the truss. I'll be able to have a good, direct comparison between the two. Imagine my dismay if it turns out I prefer the unicrown to the truss!
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    Check out this pic, it's not the best quality, but you can see a few things - short rear mech, and the chain tension is high, also note the chain is not on its highest cog yet, so when it is the chain is nice and tight.

    The other thing to watch is chain line and the position of your chainring. BB width will effect this of course (not sure what width that bike is) If you get those three things good, it virtually stop any dropping of the chain and you shouldn't need any tape protection. I've ran the set-up on many hard tail and rigid 29er bikes fine, without any drop protector and no chain drop



    1x9 on a By:Stickle



    And on a Wolfhound (this bike has an extremely wide BB and I do use frame protection



    Couple of links for the tape. Here, or here's another from biketape.com. Basically it's a clear 3M tape which is used on helicopter blades. It doesn't go yellow with sun exposure and is extremely sticky (but will peel off easily)

    What I have done on the 'hound is use clear handlebar tape.

    HTH's

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    Jones on fast terrain

    Hi, i haven been looking into the Jones frame and it seems to be very well thought off. I have some questions though. Most of the postings here describe it as a great bike to clear rough terrain, lots of boulder climbing and decending pitures here.

    However, where I live its flat, flat, flat. Only some very minor climbs and lot of fast forrest roads and some tight singletrack. This means higher speeds as well. How does the Jones cope with that? Sadle to bar drop is hardly there, and you are seated more behind the BB then usual.

    Thanks for your feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jowan View Post
    Hi, i haven been looking into the Jones frame and it seems to be very well thought off. I have some questions though. Most of the postings here describe it as a great bike to clear rough terrain, lots of boulder climbing and decending pitures here.

    However, where I live its flat, flat, flat. Only some very minor climbs and lot of fast forrest roads and some tight singletrack. This means higher speeds as well. How does the Jones cope with that? Sadle to bar drop is hardly there, and you are seated more behind the BB then usual.

    Thanks for your feedback.
    My local trails have no more than 200m of height gain or loss and usually only 100-150m at a time, or less. It's rolling woodland singletrack in the south of England, no mountains, no rocks, just swoopy and rooty, some nice flow but almost no real tech unless you really look for it, even then it's nothing full-on. That's why I ended up on a rigid ss for a while and that's what brought me to the Jones. After 9 months + on the ti, all I can add to what I wrote above is that I've got more used to it, I'm riding more than onmy other bikes because I love the ride, I'm riding better because the bike encourages it (bluestatevirgin's balance-beam comments above nail it - I can't agree more) and 90% or more of my riding has been from my doorstep on those flowing, fast, fun trails. It's a lot of fun at speed and it seems to maintain a high speed very well - it's a 'fast' XC bike as well as a technically capable rigid bike.
    The bar and saddle position feels unusual at first but it really isn't any 'slower' or less efficient - quite the opposite once you're used to it. It also makes long rides more comfortable (plus the advantages of the 'balance' points made above). It powers out of corners as fast as any race bike, you just need to be willing to adapt a little - like many of us did to get used to lower bars on road or xc race bikes.

    I also got a steel diamond frame for bike-packing and travel recently (thanks to Biff in the UK - look him up if you're after a Jones in this part of the world). I rode it loaded-up across Spain for 10 days recently and it's as great to cruise all-day on faster / rolling dirt trails as it was looning-it down rocky Alpine-style descents. It's the most all-round great bike I've experienced.

    Quote Originally Posted by BSV
    Enel. A lot of people crap on mtbr by saying nothing can be learned about bikes by reading other people's opinions about them. I disagree. Sure, I got the chance to demo a Jones before I bought, but reading about the bike allowed me to recognize where a Jones would suit my needs. And that I should find a way to test drive. I appreciate the time you put into this thread.
    I totally agree - I joined up when looking up info on the Jones a while ago. Forums are for sharing info and stoke, this one's particularly good for that. Nice new bike BSV! : )
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    i've been looking at the jones diamond frame for a bit, thinking of buying one from jeff in the fall. i'm really interested in jeff's (unique?) approach to frame geometry and design. my local trails (the north shore) can hardly be described as rigid-bike friendly, but everything i've heard and read about jones' bikes suggest they'll handle the tech and the gnar, albeit at low speed, just fine if the rider is willing.

    my only real concern about getting a jones (besides being a bit annoyed about the proprietary front hub: why not simply use a through axle if stiffness is the objective?) is the one-size fits all issue. i've read about and can appreciate the theory but here's the thing: i'm 6'2" and my preferences for tech riding, informed by experience in local conditions, are steep seat tubes for climbing and long top tubes/short stems for descending. the idea of sticking a long stem and layback post on a bike to get the right fit is a bit mind-boggling to be honest - my approach has been to get the right size/long frame to fit the short stem, not visa versa

    when i brought this up with jeff and asked about the possibility of a 24" frame he wouldn't bite; said at my height he wouldn't recommend it. he suggested a phone conversation to discuss the matter but that's not in the cards at the moment (long story). i'm looking forward to talking to him about it in the fall, but i'm wondering if anyone here has an experience or perspective that would be willing to share that might help my understanding, here

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomforeal View Post
    i've been looking at the jones diamond frame for a bit, thinking of buying one from jeff in the fall. i'm really interested in jeff's (unique?) approach to frame geometry and design. my local trails (the north shore) can hardly be described as rigid-bike friendly, but everything i've heard and read about jones' bikes suggest they'll handle the tech and the gnar, albeit at low speed, just fine if the rider is willing.

    my only real concern about getting a jones (besides being a bit annoyed about the proprietary front hub: why not simply use a through axle if stiffness is the objective?) is the one-size fits all issue. i've read about and can appreciate the theory but here's the thing: i'm 6'2" and my preferences for tech riding, informed by experience in local conditions, are steep seat tubes for climbing and long top tubes/short stems for descending. the idea of sticking a long stem and layback post on a bike to get the right fit is a bit mind-boggling to be honest - my approach has been to get the right size/long frame to fit the short stem, not visa versa

    when i brought this up with jeff and asked about the possibility of a 24" frame he wouldn't bite; said at my height he wouldn't recommend it. he suggested a phone conversation to discuss the matter but that's not in the cards at the moment (long story). i'm looking forward to talking to him about it in the fall, but i'm wondering if anyone here has an experience or perspective that would be willing to share that might help my understanding, here

    thanks
    I am 6'2" and have ridden a Jones Titanium Diamond 24" for a while. It is a bike that Jeff no longer makes. I run wide flat bars and a 70mm stem, a set up that I would recommend for general hell raising. I tried the h-bars, but I didn't like them for the way I ride the bike, maybe they would be fine for touring. I run a dropper post on the bike with a setback, and the seat is more than half way on its rails, and I run 175mm cranks. To be honest, I would have a hard time imagining fitting myself into a 23", as my bike though it feels perfect, is pretty compact feeling as it is. I run flat pedals (w/ 5.10 Impacts, size 13) and do get a little toe overlap. My rides require long climbs, with rocky, fast techy descents, with jumps and drops. I ride the bike on the same terrain that I take my 6" travel dually on.
    In theory with Jeff's seatube, the more exposed seatpost you have the longer the bike will get. So maybe if you ran 170mm cranks on the 23", you would have more exposed seatpost which would lengthen the effective top tube, and you would get rid of any toe overlap. Again for the way I ride the bike, I would not want to slap a long stem on there. If you can make it work for you it is an awesome bike, that I never grow tired of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomforeal View Post
    i've been looking at the jones diamond frame for a bit, thinking of buying one from jeff in the fall. i'm really interested in jeff's (unique?) approach to frame geometry and design. my local trails (the north shore) can hardly be described as rigid-bike friendly, but everything i've heard and read about jones' bikes suggest they'll handle the tech and the gnar, albeit at low speed, just fine if the rider is willing.

    my only real concern about getting a jones (besides being a bit annoyed about the proprietary front hub: why not simply use a through axle if stiffness is the objective?) is the one-size fits all issue. i've read about and can appreciate the theory but here's the thing: i'm 6'2" and my preferences for tech riding, informed by experience in local conditions, are steep seat tubes for climbing and long top tubes/short stems for descending. the idea of sticking a long stem and layback post on a bike to get the right fit is a bit mind-boggling to be honest - my approach has been to get the right size/long frame to fit the short stem, not visa versa

    when i brought this up with jeff and asked about the possibility of a 24" frame he wouldn't bite; said at my height he wouldn't recommend it. he suggested a phone conversation to discuss the matter but that's not in the cards at the moment (long story). i'm looking forward to talking to him about it in the fall, but i'm wondering if anyone here has an experience or perspective that would be willing to share that might help my understanding, here

    thanks
    I can't comment too much on the fit. I am 6'1" and I like the small frame. I think you could adapt. (I run flat bars and 60mm stem).

    I will say that even though the front hub is a PITA, the 135 spacing builds a much more evenly tensioned, strong, stiff and durable wheel. More so than a TA would give you. I use bolt on hubs.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Bumping this up, because of some sweet pictures, but also to ask which front rim I should run. I had a fat front and I may eventually buy another one day, but I'd like to stick to 29er wheels. In the back, I'll get Blunt 35 or Flows. I'd like to run a big tire up front. Ardent 2.4 and the likes. Or even the Surly Knard? Would the Rabbit Hole be the best? Any other 35-50mm rims I should look at? Most of my rides are XC type with lots of climbs, and also lots of fast, chunky descents.

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    phsycle?
    velocity p-35 and a nice big gato?

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    octavius, thanks. After talking to Jeff, he recommends wider = better, especially at low PSI's. Not sure if I want to go full on 50mm (Rabbit Hole) or stick with Blunt 35 (aka P-35). Getting the Blunts means no Knard (I believe they require 35mm internal width?), which I'd really like to try. This whole thing is starting to be a really expensive experiment...

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    I prefer big rims and beefy tires, but I don't have to do a ton of climbing. The Knard/Hole might be pretty light for beef--if advertised weights turn out to be true--but they also might take tubelessness out of the equation. Do you need to go tubeless? And I'm guessing here, but a Knard/Hole is going to be at least 300 grams heavier than a P35/Ardent would be. That's a price I'd pay, but the Knard is going to fit on the P35 anyways, so you could have cake and eat too.

    I've been researching over the past few months, but there isn't much to choose from in the 35mm-50mm 29er rim category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    octavius, thanks. After talking to Jeff, he recommends wider = better, especially at low PSI's. Not sure if I want to go full on 50mm (Rabbit Hole) or stick with Blunt 35 (aka P-35). Getting the Blunts means no Knard (I believe they require 35mm internal width?), which I'd really like to try. This whole thing is starting to be a really expensive experiment...
    According to Surly's site, the Knard will fit on 35mm rims.

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    I see that now. I must have remembered incorrectly. However, I'm not sure how comfortable I'd feel about putting 3" tires on a 35mm rim at 15psi...

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    The only possible "complication" is that should you choose to go P35/blunt35 at the start, then desire to upgrade to a Rabbit Hole is that you may be hard pressed to find the RH rim for sale on its own.

    I'm kinda in the same boat, as I've got a pair of P35s waiting for my black diamond Jones. That said, I've told Jeff to build up an RH front wheel for me - he'll have built wheels in stock.

    Tire options for me up front, aside from the Knard, would be a Racing Ralph 2.4, Vee Rubber Mission 2.4, Vee Rubber Vee Trax 29x2.5, and of course the Ardent.

    If only the days would go by faster!

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    So if I'm reading this thread correctly the steel spaceframe is a waste of time considering it a pound hevier? It seems like the comfort benefits of spaceframe design you only get with the Ti. I do love the aesthetic of the spaceframe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discodave View Post
    So if I'm reading this thread correctly the steel spaceframe is a waste of time considering it a pound hevier? It seems like the comfort benefits of spaceframe design you only get with the Ti. I do love the aesthetic of the spaceframe.
    Nah, you are reading it incorrectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agu View Post
    The only possible "complication" is that should you choose to go P35/blunt35 at the start, then desire to upgrade to a Rabbit Hole is that you may be hard pressed to find the RH rim for sale on its own.

    I'm kinda in the same boat, as I've got a pair of P35s waiting for my black diamond Jones. That said, I've told Jeff to build up an RH front wheel for me - he'll have built wheels in stock.

    Tire options for me up front, aside from the Knard, would be a Racing Ralph 2.4, Vee Rubber Mission 2.4, Vee Rubber Vee Trax 29x2.5, and of course the Ardent.

    If only the days would go by faster!
    Yeah, I'm thinking RH as well. Knard and 2.4+ should fit fine. I'm hoping split-tube tubeless will work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agu View Post

    I'm kinda in the same boat, as I've got a pair of P35s waiting for my black diamond Jones. That said, I've told Jeff to build up an RH front wheel for me - he'll have built wheels in stock.


    If only the days would go by faster!
    You're saying that Jeff told you he was going to have Rabbit Hole's built up on his front hub? Is that only for persons buying complete bikes? I'll call Jeff and ask, but I want to be clear first. I'm asking for clarity because I understand that the demand for the rim will be high and that there may not be that many available.

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    Hi. Yes Jeff said he will have built wheels for sale. I originally asked him just about the rims. So i am assuming he will build a set or a front wheel for you if it's packaged with a frameset purchase :-)

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    Yes, confirmed with Jeff that he'll be taking preorders for RH front wheel or a wheelset soon. Even sent some teasers:




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    Here's more info. on Knard/Hole from Jeff's blog:

    Knard on Jones. Another front wheel option. | Jones Bikes

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    someone invent a time machine...quick! December has to hurry up!

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    Still contemplating rims. Personally, I think rabbit hole is realistically a fall/winter '13 build. From every wheel builder I've spoken to, they say "maybe" March, but still not sure. So, now my focus is either P35 (Blunt 35), or Rollin Darryl fat front. I'm leaning towards Darryl and BFL/Nate combo.

    Just bought a Paul Whub on eBay and confirmed with Jeff the frames will be shipped late Dec/early Jan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    Still contemplating rims. Personally, I think rabbit hole is realistically a fall/winter '13 build. From every wheel builder I've spoken to, they say "maybe" March, but still not sure. So, now my focus is either P35 (Blunt 35), or Rollin Darryl fat front. I'm leaning towards Darryl and BFL/Nate combo.

    Just bought a Paul Whub on eBay and confirmed with Jeff the frames will be shipped late Dec/early Jan.
    So the rims won't be avilable until March? Not December? How about the Knard tire?

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    Knard is the same deal. Even when available, on a very limited basis, from what I've been told. This will also command a very high price. Not really worth it, IMO. Jeff seems like he enjoyed his time on the RH/Knard, but not super jazzed by it. Sounds like he prefers fat fronts more. (BFL or Nate).

    I decided to go Blunt 35's (P35) as I found a good deal on it. I'll match those to my current Ardent 2.4's. then will await a RH/Knard build next year some time.

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    yea, looks like a P35/Blunt 35 front is in my more realistic future.

    I'm sure there will be several other tire models from Surly (or other manufacturers) that will fill the Rabbit Hole nicely...so maybe a wait and see attitude may be more prudent.

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    Any reason a Kris Holm 29er rim wouldn't work as well as the RH? 47mm and double walled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllRounder View Post
    Any reason a Kris Holm 29er rim wouldn't work as well as the RH? 47mm and double walled.
    That should work, laced to a 36H Paul front hub - Kris Holm rims are only available in 36H I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllRounder View Post
    Any reason a Kris Holm 29er rim wouldn't work as well as the RH? 47mm and double walled.
    My quick search didn't come up with anything, but do they make those in 32h? What's the weight? Seems like it would work just fine. Too bad I already bought 32h Paul Whub.

    Just FYI for anyone looking for a Whub. Search on eBay. $126 shipped. There should be 3 left. Just ordered mine yesterday.

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    Search k Holms rims here and on the 29er component forum. Some issues to consder.

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    Dragging this thread back up for what may be an odd question. Does anyone on here have any experience racing their Tai Jones in ultra endurance events (100k-100miles?)

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    sslos - I'm planning on one next year. It's a 50 miler, but may also do a 24hr. I had a Nimnle 9 until a month ago, so I'll try to post up a brief review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phsycle View Post
    sslos - I'm planning on one next year. It's a 50 miler, but may also do a 24hr. I had a Nimnle 9 until a month ago, so I'll try to post up a brief review.
    Well, sounds like just the person I need to hear from!
    I've done a really rocky, technical, punishing 50 mile (El Paso Puzzler,) and a smoother 100 mile (High Cascades 100,) on my Nimble 9.
    While I love the N9, I've always been curious about the Jones geometry. I had a great, hour or so long conversation with Jeff back around 2001, but the finances to get a Jones built Ti frame never happened. I guess the steel diamond frames have made me "Tai" curious...

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    It's a total leap of faith. I love the N9, but couldn't swing both at the same time. So sold the N9 and ordered the diamond/unicrown. If I end up liking the geo, my plan is to sell that and get the spaceframe/truss fork. The "full rigid" part has me worried, but I'm going to outfit it with Rabbit Hole/Knard to take a bit of the sting away.

    If I don't like it, I'm going back to a N9 or Yelli.

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    Weird double post.
    Last edited by sslos; 12-13-2012 at 07:13 PM. Reason: Strangely delayed double post.
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    sslos: fwiw ive ridden quite a few 12 hour races, 100mile east coast USA and UK races on my jones over the years,as well as long rides not racing - its a merlin built ti frame and truss fork. In terms of handling its fantastic...no issues. great position for longer races. I *do* sometimes find the truss fork/enve rim combo beats me up a little on very long rocky races, but its hard to say if this is any more than you'd expect given its a fully rigid bike. my guess is a unicrown would be slightly more forgiving. the true beauty of the truss is the rigidity when you stuff it into a corner or rocks or brake hard...

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