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    Quote Originally Posted by sslos
    Hey, what gives? That looks like it has a freewheel on it!!! Sell out!
    Highly disappointed in Dan...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sslos
    Hey, what gives? That looks like it has a freewheel on it!!! Sell out!
    Highly disappointed in Dan...

    Los (realized his fixed off road days were behind him a few years ago...)
    Ok I fess up Ive been free wheel for a few years now.A couple of reasons
    1 my knees do not like back pressure anymore
    2 coasting is fun!
    3 Im getting friggin old.
    I guess i will change my name to FreewheelDan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fixgeardan
    Ok I fess up Ive been free wheel for a few years now.A couple of reasons
    1 my knees do not like back pressure anymore
    2 coasting is fun!
    3 Im getting friggin old.
    I guess i will change my name to FreewheelDan.
    Yeah, I put a freewheel on for a 24 hour race a couple of years ago. At the time, I figured it would be a temporary thing, but as you said, coasting is fun!
    Turned 40 last week, which while not old (at least to me now,) is too old for me to go back.
    Besides, I'd miss the smiles that downhills giveme now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sslos
    Yeah, I put a freewheel on for a 24 hour race a couple of years ago. At the time, I figured it would be a temporary thing, but as you said, coasting is fun!
    Turned 40 last week, which while not old (at least to me now,) is too old for me to go back.
    Besides, I'd miss the smiles that downhills giveme now!

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    That blue is fantastic!

    Anyone know the seat tube length and stand-over on the steel diamond frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot
    guess i'm still young....

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    Yeah, we can't all be fire breathing, rip roaring, bourbon swilling fixed riding rock stars forever!

    BTW, good luck on your upstream GDR effort this year, I'll be rooting for you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sslos
    Yeah, we can't all be fire breathing, rip roaring, bourbon swilling fixed riding rock stars forever!

    BTW, good luck on your upstream GDR effort this year, I'll be rooting for you!

    Los

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    Bump.

    Best rigid frame I have ever ridden. Period. I love this thing and have zero regrets about buying it.

    Just sharing the post ride stoke. I usually seem to come off this thing pretty stoked.



    Dan has a Jones diamond with two bladed fork whilst I have the Jones Diamond with Truss fork. We did a big 3-4 hour ride the other day and swapped bikes for the last 15 minutes. We both came away feeling that the differences in the forks were pretty minimal. Tire pressures were more significant. That being said, we both felt the two bladed fork was slightly more comfortable, and the Truss tucked slightly less under braking. These differences were truly minimal and would not be noticed without a back to back ride. The two blade had a slight tendency to spring the front end in the air. This is not uncontrollable, but it is something I have not felt with a rigid fork before.

    Personally, if I were buying, I would lean toward the standard diamond/two blade combo and save a few hundred bucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbyfreak View Post
    <img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5065/5629689085_b697287351_b.jpg" width="1024" height="680" alt="Jones Steel Spaceframe">
    Very nice color
    Did you buy a black frame and brought it to a powder coater or did you order the frame with custom color?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    Best rigid frame I have ever ridden. Period. I love this thing and have zero regrets about buying it.
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    Personally, if I were buying, I would lean toward the standard diamond/two blade combo and save a few hundred bucks.
    Agreed! Love mine.
    Since we're making recommendations, I would advise to try the fat front. I recently went on a roadtrip to a trail that has actual rocks () and the fat front was amazing!

    The only picture I have is from a recent gravel ride, just before the sun went down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozmosis View Post
    Agreed! Love mine.
    Since we're making recommendations, I would advise to try the fat front. I recently went on a roadtrip to a trail that has actual rocks () and the fat front was amazing!

    The only picture I have is from a recent gravel ride, just before the sun went down.
    Went with the Truss/Space/Fat Front......and just got the Loop H Bars.....this combo is rocking so good......I sold my DW Sultan
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    Nice, that is a short cockpit w/ that stem. How tall are you/ inseam? I run a 90 and I don't think I would like a 70. But really I don't know, I guess. 6' here w/ a 32" inseam. These bikes are a lot of fun.

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    No this was JJ choice of color when he ordered this frames. Thanks!
    Keep it simple, keep it single!

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    Thanks ! I think the stand over is just under 30 inches
    Keep it simple, keep it single!

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    Thanks! im only 5'5 and with the layback seatpost. I feel that the 70 - 80 mm feels perfect.
    Keep it simple, keep it single!

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    what...no chat of whether a 4.5" tyre will fit yet? !

    what i'm wondering is how wide is the enve composites DH rim? might this make for a pretty rad front end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    what...no chat of whether a 4.5" tyre will fit yet? !

    what i'm wondering is how wide is the enve composites DH rim? might this make for a pretty rad front end?
    I wondered whether the 4.5" tyre would fit when I first saw the rumours, and there's easily more than 1/2" of extra clearance on both sides of the wheel in the truss fork with the 3.8" Larry on a large marge rim.

    (edit) just looked at it again and it's more like 18mm of clearance, either side of the tyre.
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    sweet bike!

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    book mark

    I am becoming very interested in the diamond from and 2 blade fork. I only live 2 hours south of Ashland, so I am going to try and see if I can test ride one. Only reason I could justify one is if it is "that" much more fun than my current bike.

    I do have one question that I can't seem to find the answer for. Whats the approximate chainstay length on your bike Enel? Oh, and since I am asking questions that have probably already been answered. How tall are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbyfreak View Post
    Fresh from the oven BLUE Spaceframe :<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/pipoy/5630273298/" title="P35 Laced to Paul Hubs by Lucky&amp;Pipay, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5145/5630273298_3a8cb1b088_b.jpg" width="680" height="1024" alt="P35 Laced to Paul Hubs"></a<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/pipoy/5629689663/" title="Jones Steel Spaceframe by Lucky&amp;Pipay, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5302/5629689663_f7c87e4632_b.jpg" width="1024" height="680" alt="Jones Steel Spaceframe"></a<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/pipoy/5629689085/" title="Jones Steel Spaceframe by Lucky&amp;Pipay, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5065/5629689085_b697287351_b.jpg" width="1024" height="680" alt="Jones Steel Spaceframe"></a>
    I vote this frame as being the best looking!!

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    If there is one drawback about the Jones Spaceframe, it's the attention, especially w/ a Fat front. Many have never seen such a bike. In the parking lot or at trail head , on the trails, be ready to socialize. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjedoaks View Post
    If there is one drawback about the Jones Spaceframe, it's the attention, especially w/ a Fat front. Many have never seen such a bike. In the parking lot or at trail head , on the trails, be ready to socialize. LOL
    Just like singlespeeds back in 1996...people will get over it, then a big manufacturere will jump on board...next stop: mainstream

    Loving the blue too!

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    Loki - on the CS length, the Jones is longer than the current fashion, about 435-450mm range from the EBB I think. Maybe a tad shorter. I test-rode one a while back with a 110mm stem on it (I hate long stems!) and it was still one of the easiest bikes to bunny-hop and loft over logs, it was a very different bike to what I'm used to but at the same time it was very intuitive to ride. I generally ride a 26" bike locally, wide bars, 120mm forks etc and I found the Jones hopped and floated over stuff just fine.

    Normal numbers don't have relativity on this frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dRjOn View Post
    what...no chat of whether a 4.5" tyre will fit yet? !

    what i'm wondering is how wide is the enve composites DH rim? might this make for a pretty rad front end?
    How much heavier will it be, and will it provide extra cushion or will it be mostly knobs?

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    @Hobbyfreak:

    I'm not sure if the standard 23" spaceframes front is high enough for me. Please could you measure the distance shown in the attached picture? (front axle to top ot the fork)
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    25"

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjedoaks View Post
    25"
    Thanx. But I must know the BB Drop also - how much is this?

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    BB/ 10.5" appox. Fat front

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    Don't suppose anyone wants to sell me a 2nd hand diamond frame? (ad in 'wanted')

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    Not me, but if you decide to import one to the Old World, let me know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clink View Post
    Don't suppose anyone wants to sell me a 2nd hand diamond frame? (ad in 'wanted')
    They're only $750 new aren't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonesetter2004 View Post
    They're only $750 new aren't they?
    Yep - plus shipping, duty etc and new front wheel (135mm hub) etc. All adds up. Plus worried about sizing. Getting a test ride in UK near impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clink View Post
    Yep - plus shipping, duty etc and new front wheel (135mm hub) etc. All adds up. Plus worried about sizing. Getting a test ride in UK near impossible.
    You could find a Spaceframe to try, which is similar enough to get a size feel...?

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    that is 1.5'' to much fot a 15.5'' frame.
    Probably the smallest 29-er rider in the Dutch Mountains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HetTuig View Post
    that is 1.5'' to much fot a 15.5'' frame.
    if it were a conventional geometry, perhaps. The Jones rotates you back around the BB, so the seat angle is slacker and the front is higher. It works, I like a low front end but aside from re-adjusting my cornering technique (not that I had a lot to start with!) It felt fine very quickly.

    You could flip the stem too.

    Also, a correctly tilted H-bar (or loop bar to a lesser extent) puts the main grip section about 1" lower than the stem clamp, effectively reducing the height gain of the fork's top clamp.

    I keep saying it, but forget individual numbers when weighing up a Jones. It's hard to do I know, I'm as big a numbers-geek as anyone, but studying then test-riding this bike was a learning experience.

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    One can also add spacers above or below the headset/truss fork for varying HA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjedoaks View Post
    BB/ 10.5" appox. Fat front
    Huh?
    BB drop must be around 2" - 3".
    You can see it on the attached image...
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    He measued BB height (not drop) for you.

    Still don't see how a front can be "not tall enough"????

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    Okay 14 5/8/ floor to center of skewer. So, roughly 4 " drop

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    Tai (Ti) Jones

    Just got mine this week and finished the build last night. Maiden voyage tomorrow.
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    Love to know your first impressions lightning boy. I get mine next week.

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    Tai (Ti) Jones

    Octavius,

    The ride was exactly what I was expecting since I got to ride one back in Nov. 2010 with JJ when I went to visit my family in Medford, OR.
    I sold all my bikes to get this. I would never have bought one had I not ridden one. I got to do 3 hours of riding, swapping between the ti/truss and the diamond/unicrown.
    I was going to get the diamond/unicrown but my wife said that I would be thinking Ti the whole time I was riding it so I ponyed-up for the ti.

    I can only say that it rode as I remembered it. Precise is the first word that comes to mind, the steering is hands down the best I've had. The bike is also comfortable, not like the SC Heckler I had with a Maverick DUC32, but I feel that the suspension of my previous bike was dulling my sense of the trail. The Ardent 2.4s take the sting out of the rocks around here in N. AZ. I'm running 20 psi and will experiment with lower psi. I'm contemplating the Fat front but not sure yet since the bike rides so well with the 2.4s.

    My main reason to going with this bike, (I looked at Black Sheep, Salsa Ti Fargo, Lynskey and Fatback) was that it lacked suspension correction, the use of frame design to achieve some compliance, has a wheelbase similar to my previous 26" wheeled bikes. I was also sick of overhauling the Maverick on it's recommended schedule which meant every 4-5 weeks of riding. With limited time to ride (having little ones) I rather ride than work on my bike.

    My first ride on my own Jones left me with a grin from ear to ear! This has to be the best bike I've owned so far and the first 29er. I've had other ti bikes (Titus,Voodoo) but this one rides way better. The craftsmanship is excellent.

    I think that anyone that is contemplating a Jones will not be disappointed.

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    thanks lightning boy, i cant ask for more than that as an appetiser.

    this bike will be my first ti bike and 29er. never ridden a jones before (and never seen one in scotland although i know of other one) frameset arrives today or tomorrow, so first ride later this week...

    very very excited.

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    It took a healthy dose of whiskey to get me to sleep last week waiting for my Jones. I paid for three day air mail to shorten the torture. But all the hype is so true. I've had some nice bikes, but this Jones is pure genius.

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    Interesting setup. How is the Fat working out?

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    Since this thread still lives:

    I'll go on record saying I still really like the bike. It is my go to rig for >50% of rides and the only rigid bike I ride off road.

    I rode my KM commuter on road today for the first time in a while, and it felt all flexy and flimsy in comparison.

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    Sweet bikes, I really wish I could afford one...

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    just got mine, totally amazing, anyone thats curious needs to have a spin on one.

    its is most comfortable, agile, confidence inspiring bike I've ever ridden. light and goes like a rocket.

    looks crazy, looks big but feels small, so much is different to the bike it replaces - my carbon 26" stumpjumper ht.

    cant do my first proper ride for a few days but cannot wait to hit the hills...

    pix to follow.

    doing lots of grinning and brake squeezing.

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    And lots of staring and tyre kicking

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    You finally received the frame

    Quote Originally Posted by octavius View Post
    just got mine, totally amazing, anyone thats curious needs to have a spin on one.

    its is most comfortable, agile, confidence inspiring bike I've ever ridden. light and goes like a rocket.

    looks crazy, looks big but feels small, so much is different to the bike it replaces - my carbon 26" stumpjumper ht.

    cant do my first proper ride for a few days but cannot wait to hit the hills...

    pix to follow.

    doing lots of grinning and brake squeezing.
    John, have fun with it

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