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    Enel, you're a curious fellow, but I like your testing methods.

    Basically zero chatter from the front end in terms of flex when you grab a big handful of front brake going down something fast and steep, is my take on the truss fork? Is any oscillation even noticeable under those conditions?


    Next question is, when are you going to tackle going down, I think it's trail #297 on the Jones? Before the rains? Looking forward to your report on how it feels on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    Basically zero chatter from the front end in terms of flex when you grab a big handful of front brake going down something fast and steep, is my take on the truss fork? Is any oscillation even noticeable under those conditions?
    No chatter, no oscillation that is noticeable by me. I am sure it is there, but the frequency is high enough not to matter.

    It is sort of like going from a single crown to triple clamp suspension fork if you get my drift.

    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    Next question is, when are you going to tackle going down, I think it's trail #297 on the Jones?
    I went plenty fast down Munds Wagon chasing Aqua (who is hella fast!) and I have no concerns for its manners at speed. You do get a beating as the speeds increase though.
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    How tall are you Enel?
    For some reason I was thinking your ByStickel was non corrected....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SyT
    How tall are you Enel?
    For some reason I was thinking your ByStickel was non corrected....
    184cm.

    Bystickel is corrected, I just haven't bothered to put a suspension fork on it. That will change soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed
    where is the geo posted?

    I would like to know as well.

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    I got this question in another thread and thought it would be helpful to insert and elaborate on the answer here.

    Quote Originally Posted by edgerat
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    Are the Stickel and Jones still different enough to not be compared? Kind of like a 9mm and a .40 cal, the same but, different, not better just, different?
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    Ha. More like a 9mm and a 1911

    Like a steak knife and a chef's knife.

    Or if you are a car guy: a Lotus Exige and a Porsch Cayman.

    I purposely took both bikes to Sedona to compare them and rode the Jones in the morning, and the By:Stickel in the afternoon. I only had about two hours on the Jones prior to this ride and maybe 60 hours on the By:Stickel. Imagine my surprise when I rode more comfortably and confidently in technical terrain, and at high speed on the Jones. It wasn't even close.

    This sort of move was no problem on the Jones, it would have scared me on the By:Stickel.

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    This move did scare me. Rideable, but scary/nervous. I was wishing I had the other bike at this moment.


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    The difference between the bikes really bugged me, and I have been thinking a lot about the whys since that ride. The main issue was the incredible stability of the front end of the Jones. The By:Stickel in comparison felt like it bounced/flexed all over, couldn't get traction, and in general was not confidence inspiring at all in comparison. Steve thinks it is the fork and I am sure that is the biggest part of it.

    Since that ride, I swapped the rather flexy On-One Carbon for an 1100 gm no name steel fork. I had a very short comparison ride today and things are better. Ultimately, I do not think it is possible for the By:Stickel to have the same front rigidity as the Jones without being non-suspension corrected, with a 135 spaced front wheel, and a truss fork. The only thing that would do it would be a 1400 gm dirt-jumpable 29" suspension corrected fork (which does not exist to my knowledge). I am thinking of trying a Niner Carbon fork, but the investment is steep, especially since I don't know if it will help hugely.

    Ultimately, the By:Stickel will likely end up with a 100mm tapered suspension fork. It is probably done as my rigid technical bike.

    Riding them back to back, the Jones feels much heavier (same weight for both), but somewhat unflappable, like riding a tank. Stiff and controllable, but on the harsh side. The By:Stickel feels significantly lighter and more playful, but less competent/confident when things get serious. I need to get some more back to back rides on them, because I am sure there is such a thing as too rigid up front and the Jones is approaching that point for me. Perhaps with the steel fork the By:Stickel will be that magic combination of comfort and control. If I had a super long ride on more mellow trails, I would take the By:Stickel for sure. It fits me perfectly.

    Anyway, the strong/stiff front end of the Jones makes moves like this go from a bit terrifying to actually fun.



    That rock proceeds to straight vertical, and then after a bit of a free fall into a 1/4 pipe G-out. It is not hard, you just need to commit, hang on, and hope nothing breaks off the front end. I have done it on many bikes, but it always gave me a bit of pause when I hit it rigid. Honestly it scared me. I hit it three times today and found it more exhilarating than scary. When it counts, I prefer the stiffness up front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
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    Hey Enel, that some impressive riding and your Jones is certainly nice, too.
    But why did you decide against the H-Bar? I have a Loop-Bar on my Spaceframe and I feel it is an integral part of the whole Jones-Package.

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    Just a note: a 9mm is a caliber, 1911 a model. But I'm guessing you probably knew that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SyT
    Just a note: a 9mm is a caliber, 1911 a model. But I'm guessing you probably knew that.
    Stupid me, I used 1911 synonymously with .45, but if I think about it, that of course isn't true.

    Thanks for the correction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Britney Spears
    Hey Enel, that some impressive riding and your Jones is certainly nice, too.
    But why did you decide against the H-Bar? I have a Loop-Bar on my Spaceframe and I feel it is an integral part of the whole Jones-Package.
    Tried it, didn't like it, wrote it up and converted to traditional bars four years ago and have never looked back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Tried it, didn't like it, wrote it up and converted to traditional bars four years ago and have never looked back.
    Thanks for your answer! Your post in that thread is certainly interesting to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel

    Since that ride, I swapped the rather flexy On-One Carbon for an 1100 gm no name steel fork. I had a very short comparison ride today and things are better.

    ... I need to get some more back to back rides on them...... Perhaps with the steel fork the By:Stickel will be that magic combination of comfort and control.
    I got a very nice, long back to back rock crawling session yesterday on both bikes.

    Steve was right, the On-One fork was causing a lot of my annoyance, pretty much all of it actually

    The Stickel is much better with the steel 1100gm Zion fork.

    If I were to grade forks it would go like this:

    On-One: Not stiff enough.
    Zion: Adequately stiff.
    Jones: More than stiff enough.





    After yesterday's ride, I am hard pressed to say which bike I prefer more in this type of terrain. There was no clear winner as far as the frame fork combo was concerned and I found my self more distracted by the ancient, crappy pedals I have on the Jones, and the front tire of the Stickel.

    The Jones and Stickel rode comparably, with neither bike having a great advantage over the other. They had their little quirks, but nothing really annoying, or outstandingly better than the other. The Stickel was more compliant, the Jones was stiffer....preferences, but both within tolerable limits. I would say the same about the geometry, both are within the limits of what I would call a great handling bike. Slight differences, easily compensated for.

    The FR4 tire on the front of the Stickel really sucks on rocks. I do not like it and can't really recommend it. The FR3 blows it away in the grip department. I am moving the FR3 from the back of the Jones to the front of the Stickel.

    I think I can explain my Sedona annoyances at this point due to flexy fork and crappy front tire that I only noticed in comparison to an excellent tire and super stiff chassis.

    I look forward to getting them back to back on something higher speed, but everything is pretty muddy right now and will be for a while.
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    Cool, I figured that fork was the main hindrance. It's a great rigid fork for XC duties, just not up to par for your needs though!

    I think a custom steel fork with thru axle would be the best thing for you. The Zion fork is still in the compliant list IMO. I think the only production forks up for your needs are the Monocog fork(not flight), KM fork, and possibly the steel On One fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky
    Cool, I figured that fork was the main hindrance. It's a great rigid fork for XC duties, just not up to par for your needs though!

    I think a custom steel fork with thru axle would be the best thing for you. The Zion fork is still in the compliant list IMO. I think the only production forks up for your needs are the Monocog fork(not flight), KM fork, and possibly the steel On One fork.
    Yeah, I am not up to speed on rigid forks for the most part. I have tried the KM, Zion, Carbon White Bros, Carbon On-One, and steel Soul Cycles.

    I hated the handling of the Soul for for some reason (485 A-C maybe?). Everything else was tolerable.

    I still need to try the Stickel with a suspension fork The Jones fills my need for a rigid play bike just fine and it can't take suspension. The bikes are so comparable, I don't really need them both filling this same niche. Anyway, I needed to get it settled in my mind that the issue was the fork, not the frame and I think I have done that adequately at this point.

    My apologies to Steve for doubting him.

    The nice thing about the Jones (or the bad thing) is that it comes as a system: Frame fork, wheel (and some would add bars). As such, you get what you get and it is pretty hard to screw up with component choices. It is well thought out and, if you fit it, it is an extremely nice riding rigid bike.
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    I would highly recommend the Salsa Enabler


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    Yea!

    Great news. Thanks, Eric.

    (this leaves me 2-0-1 , not too shabby (; )

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    First ride today

    Finally here! Can't wait to test it on today's night ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simen
    Finally here! Can't wait to test it on today's night ride.

    Ooooo, shiny! Enjoy and report back
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Enel, have you anytime on the spaceframe? If so, would you compare the two (Jones frames) for those of us that most likely will not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SyT
    Enel, have you anytime on the spaceframe? If so, would you compare the two (Jones frames) for those of us that most likely will not?
    Nope, just bounced on Aqua's a little.

    The space frame does have a nice little carrying handle just forward of the seatpost.

    I don't buy all that mumbo jumbo about curved tubes being vertically compliant, laterally stiff, blah, blah, blah, but have no basis for the opinion other than bias.
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    Breeding like rabbits

    The Stones (Tai Steel Diamond) is a great riding steel bike.
    The Mones (Merlin Ti Spaceframe) really transcends what a rigid bike is, it's that good.

    So what is the take away, steel as a material is stiffer and heavier than Ti (gasp) and the diamond frame is not as compliant as the spaceframe (double gasp) but it is a great steel bike and I plan to ride it a lot and have a lot of fun on it.

    Enel, in addition to being a carrying handle it also serves as a great seat (sideways not straddle...).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Stupid me, I used 1911 synonymously with .45, but if I think about it, that of course isn't true.

    Thanks for the correction.
    Pretty much a given, if you know a little history about the 45, the Colt 1911 in 45 ACP, is what started it all, semi automatic pistols.

    No worries, I knew what you meant. Now if you'd said kind of like comparing a Luger to a 1911... well, it's pretty clear which design, 100 years later, is still in production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simen
    Finally here! Can't wait to test it on today's night ride.
    This production steel space frame is the version I want to hear a ride review of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXSS
    This production steel space frame is the version I want to hear a ride review of.
    me 3

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    Right, so I have finally got around to sorting out an account so I can post a ride review of the production steel Spaceframe. The summary of this is that it's a very fun bike, and I'm very happy with it.

    My bike is set up geared, with a fat front tyre and H-bars. It weighs about 29 pounds-though it does not feel heavy to ride, if this makes sense. I would echo the other comments about the stiffness of the frame and fork-though this does not translate into a harsh ride. I would say that the overall ride is as comfortable as other good steel bikes that I have tried (one example being a Cotic Soul). I spent a fair amount of time on it at Rotorua last weekend, and though I had to go a bit slower than I would have on my usual full suspension bike, I wasn't much more fatigued/sore than I would have been otherwise.

    Where this bike has really impressed me is its ability in technical trails (or at least the technical sections that I have found so far)-it's extremely confidence inspiring and handles very precisely, as Aqua and Enel have said. I would describe the handling as being both stable, yet highly maneuverable. Not sluggish, and certainly not twitchy. This is, however, the only rigid mountain bike that I have spent any significant time on-I would say that the fat front tyre definitely works well as a form of suspension-I have been running mine at around 7 psi, 9 is a bit harsh.

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    Probably nothin new but here it goes: my bike is around 11.5kgs with RaRa on Gordos, Hope X2 brakes. That's 2.5kgs more than my previous bike (One9) but I can honesty say I didn't notice the weight difference. It took about 3sec to feel comfortable on this bike, I wasn't used to higher bar position but no problems here. Cr-Mo frame defintely felt more 'alive', rear end takes out small bumps but don't expect suspension-like function. I guess Eriksen seatpost has something to do with it, too. Truss fork tracks great and precise but not harsh. I try to understand the difference between Ti and Cr-Mo like different windsurfing masts act: more carbon % and the reflex is faster- at the same stiffness as lower carbon % mast. That's why I'd love to have a Ti truss in front and frame (not that I'm complaining now).
    Otherwise the ride was fast, quiet, Bushnell works perfect. I have to get used to J-bar. It was comfortable but I felt like I have to use other muscles in my torso while climbing. It'll stay on for a while, probably it's just me because this was my first SS ride in months. I'll also try 80mm stem (now 90mm) and Salsa 17deg flat bar just to experiment some more.
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    Any more thoughts on these diamond frames or on the unicrown forks? I've got them on order. Parts are starting to arrive this week, frame should be next week. I went with the fat front. The wait is just about killing me!

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    Me Too!!

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    i think the Jones bike will always have a love-hate relationship with the public because of the price he set them....many would always say for his price you can get better from other builders, with watever shapes and geo you want...

    If that's the case then go with it, buy others....but if you think that you like wat you see in his design and willing to forgo the fact it is on the high side of moolah, then I think his bikes ride great...

    I have his Mones and i like it a lot....and the black beauty of the steel is very nice too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojak
    i think the Jones bike will always have a love-hate relationship with the public because of the price he set them....many would always say for his price you can get better from other builders, with watever shapes and geo you want...

    If that's the case then go with it, buy others....but if you think that you like wat you see in his design and willing to forgo the fact it is on the high side of moolah, then I think his bikes ride great...

    I have his Mones and i like it a lot....and the black beauty of the steel is very nice too...

    True , true, true.... so tis ah next project for u??
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    has anyone tried to race the space frame in either Steel or Ti version, whats it like climbing with gears?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maman72
    True , true, true.... so tis ah next project for u??
    I think Razak is going baaa...baaa

    hehe

    I wouldn't mind a steel diamond Jones myself, actually!

    Whether it's built by Jeff Jones himself, Merlin, or by a factory in Taiwan - his frames are executions of his design and riding philosophy. He wants more people on more of his bikes, and going the Taiwan route helps him achieve that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    Pretty much a given, if you know a little history about the 45, the Colt 1911 in 45 ACP, is what started it all, semi automatic pistols.

    No worries, I knew what you meant. Now if you'd said kind of like comparing a Luger to a 1911... well, it's pretty clear which design, 100 years later, is still in production.
    Holy crap, thats not even close to correct.
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    You're turning black metallic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Holy crap, thats not even close to correct.
    I know. I wasn't willing to pursue it in a bicycle thread however. I had done enough damage as it was.

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    Go ahead...
    Myself, I would'nt mind being edumacated about firearms history...

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    Our trails have dried out and I think I have enough time on this bike to give my honest opinion:

    The only change I have made from previous set up is lower gearing by 10%.

    I have ridden it on mild, moderately fast, swoopy, loose singletrack.

    I have ridden it on the most technical, slow speed trialsy rock crawling stuff we have in these parts.

    The handling is spot on in tight, slow switchbacks, and spun out cornering on gravel.

    This is the best rigid bike I have ever ridden. Period. Ultimately, for me, the important thing about a bike is that is sort of disappears under me. It should do what I want, the way I want, without a lot of monkeying around on my part. It should bring a smile to my face. It should not have characteristics that annoy me. At the end of the ride, I should want to call all my friends and proclaim: "I love riding this machine!"

    I have had several bikes that treat me that way: Lenz Behemoth and Milk Money for example, but never a rigid that had the certain something I was looking for...until now.

    I highly recommend this bike if it fits you.

    Build notes:

    Jones diamond frame and truss fork
    Front Speedway 135 hub, rear SS King laced to Flows by Mikesee
    Bontrager FR-3 tires
    Mr. Whirly cranks 31X21 gearing (Surly SS cog)
    Gravity Dropper 4" Turbo
    Koobi saddle
    Azonic World Force Bars
    Thomson 50mm stem (to be replaced by Syntace Superforce 60mm some time)
    Avid BB7 mechanical brakes 180f/160r

    I will update in the future, but at this point I don't ever see selling this thing or really changing much of anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Agreed with the above, I love my Jones 24" diamond ti.
    I wish someone could build a 29er full suspension bike that felt and fit as good as my Jones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    I will update in the future, but at this point I don't ever see selling this thing or really changing much of anything.
    Pretty glowing review. I hope I like mine as much. I have the fat front with unicrown fork though until June or something when I hope to get the Ti truss. I still don't have mine together yet though!

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    But then we would have the hassle of maintaining all the moving parts while we Jonesriders don't!
    Ridin ridin ridin..... raw ti!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Pretty glowing review. I hope I like mine as much. I have the fat front with unicrown fork though until June or something when I hope to get the Ti truss. I still don't have mine together yet though!
    I've got a diamond frame with the unicrown and fat front coming too. Just waiting for Jeff to build the front wheel and send everything out. I have all the other parts sitting in a box, and I can hardly stand the wait!! It doesn't help that whenever I call, Jeff gets me even more excited about it!

    What wheel/tire are you going with in the rear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozmosis
    I've got a diamond frame with the unicrown and fat front coming too.
    What made you go with the unicrown instead of the truss fork...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rasse1977
    What made you go with the unicrown instead of the truss fork...?
    Budget.

    I got a bonus this year, and was given the green light to purchase a bike. I did not want to affect our monthly budget with this purchase, so I had a budget of about $2100. I was initially going to build a Kona Big Unit with a Niner carbon fork. But once I realized that the steel Jones/unicrown could be within my budget, I started to reconsider.

    There were several factors to consider:
    The Jones is $750 frame/fork, but requires a new wheel using a special hub and rim
    The Kona/Niner would be about $1000 frame/fork, but I could use my existing XT/Gordo wheelset
    Fat front vs. standard 29er
    Steel vs. Aluminum
    EBB vs. Sliders
    Suspension-corrected vs. Non-corrected
    Heavy vs. Light

    I've been interested in the fat front idea for a while, and am committed to riding a rigid/ss. The phone call with Jeff sealed the deal.

    I'll be able to use my XT/Gordo rear with the fattest 29er tires available, and should be able to sell my XT/Gordo front without too much trouble, I would think.

    Excited doesn't even begin to describe...

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    The fat front is great - you'll love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by agu
    I think Razak is going baaa...baaa

    hehe

    I wouldn't mind a steel diamond Jones myself, actually!

    Whether it's built by Jeff Jones himself, Merlin, or by a factory in Taiwan - his frames are executions of his design and riding philosophy. He wants more people on more of his bikes, and going the Taiwan route helps him achieve that.
    agu, dat guy, dat maman72 is the one going baa baa...his sheep will line up besides my Mones next month...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wannabeRacer
    has anyone tried to race the space frame in either Steel or Ti version, whats it like climbing with gears?
    +1.

    Also, I'm looking at the Diamond but admittedly would love the ti Truss. Is this a XC racer in anyway, worried about the weight and climbing ability, especially seated climbs? I'll never run a fatty on the front, never doing big drops or rocky technical, and it'll be a SS. I'm on the east coast in Chattanooga area, with flowing singletrack, some technical and rocks, but mostly just deciduous/pine laden mountain tops. Not out west on the submarine or chicken rock trails, so any thoughts about riding here? Also, did I read that correctly that the standard fork requires a special hub setup?
    ti Nuke Proof SS
    ti Moots Mooto X YBB

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    Quote Originally Posted by signalMTB
    Also, did I read that correctly that the standard fork requires a special hub setup?
    Yes, it requires a 135mm wide front hub. Jones makes one, Paul makes one, and I think Phil Wood makes one. Check it out here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozmosis
    I've got a diamond frame with the unicrown and fat front coming too. Just waiting for Jeff to build the front wheel and send everything out. I have all the other parts sitting in a box, and I can hardly stand the wait!! It doesn't help that whenever I call, Jeff gets me even more excited about it!

    What wheel/tire are you going with in the rear?
    For now I'll use an old one I haven't used in a long while. I think it's a Flow rim and Hope hub. I'm going to run it 1x9 with a 36th cassette and probably a 28th ring.

    Congrats on your purchase.

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    Quote:
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    has anyone tried to race the space frame in either Steel or Ti version, whats it like climbing with gears?
    +1.

    Also, I'm looking at the Diamond but admittedly would love the ti Truss. Is this a XC racer in anyway, worried about the weight and climbing ability, especially seated climbs? I'll never run a fatty on the front, never doing big drops or rocky technical, and it'll be a SS. I'm on the east coast in Chattanooga area, with flowing singletrack, some technical and rocks, but mostly just deciduous/pine laden mountain tops. Not out west on the submarine or chicken rock trails, so any thoughts about riding here? Also, did I read that correctly that the standard fork requires a special hub setup?
    I haven't tried to race mine-but it does climb very well, which is what I'd expect since it's a rigid bike :P Put this way, it's no worse than any of the other bikes that I consider to be somewhat comparable (cotic soul, various stumpjumpers) My spaceframe is set up geared, with the fat front wheel, it weighs around 30 pounds-to use a cliche, it feels a lot lighter than it is to ride. I could take a lot of weight off the bike by using a normal front wheel and lighter tyres, probably about 4-5 pounds...

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    its fine to race. by and large racing means lots of effort, and that often means you stand to climb. i s'pose in the states you'll have longer hills so may need to sit for some, but the rearward weight bias is good in that it alternates muscle group use between sitting and standing pedaling.

    the only issue i have had racing the jones for long (10-12 hour) races is if the courses are ultra hard and bumpy, in which case the rigidity of the truss fork can lead to a bit of beating you up, otherwise its a great bike to race on.

    go to it!

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    Even Gramps likes the ride





    I got to assemble a bud's spaceframe/truss fork tonight. He also got JJ's trick BB7 set up. It is a very unique and thoughtful design. Nokon wrapped in shrink wrap connected to custom bent tubing of some sort. Absolutely sealed, and very compression resistant. This was coupled to XTR brake levers.



















    He got pretty much the entire Jones package with the H-bars, etc. We left the steerer pretty high until he is certain about bar height.

    He has not had a new bike in a long time and he was pretty tickled, riding around with a huge grin on his face. Just riding in the driveway, I could not tell any difference between my diamond and the spaceframe.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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