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    Superfly 100 AL Elite, Rumblefish Elite or Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29?

    For a all over bike which has the best bang for the buck? This would be for all over type riding. Im 6ft and roughly 195lbs if that makes any difference.

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    Hey Eye,

    Glad you posted this. I'm actually trying to make the exact same decsion (with an Anthem X1 thrown in as well). Any opinions?

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    What is "all over type" riding? Are you looking for a XC bike or perhaps a Trail bike like the upcoming Trance X 29er?

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    I own a 2011 trek x-cal and recently had to get work done to it. THe trek store lent me the Rumblefish Pro and it was amazing. Climbs great and handles rough downhills like a dream. My vote is for the Rumblefish. I ride XC and downhill and this bike was perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    What is "all over type" riding? Are you looking for a XC bike or perhaps a Trail bike like the upcoming Trance X 29er?
    All over= A little around the neighborhood riding, mild trails with the family, and more aggressive climbing and down hill with my buddies.

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    IMO you have 2 oranges and an apple.

    The Superfly is a great climber with moderate suspension. If you're more worried about climbing than descending, it's a natural. It also a tight handler for a 29 so it works great on really tight singletrack and flowy but manicured stuff. It's a good light trail bike but it's quick handling keeps it from being the most confident descender. It could be a decent sport level cross country raced without a lot of mods.

    The Rumblefish has tougher wheels, more suspension (drcv to boot). It's a little more capable, but it won't climb like a Superfly. It's a little slacker and you can take hits a little easier. It's also more stable in a straight line. You'll have a little more fun on the way down then you would on the superfly- but you'll earn it.

    The Stumpjumper rides a little closer to the Rumblefish IMO. It's a little slacker and a little longer legged. IIRC the Stumpjumper and the Rumblefish have identical bottom bracket heights whereas the Superfly is a little lower.

    So when people ask about your type of riding- I think they mean: are you riding in the primordial forest or are you riding some buff IMBA sanitized stuff. If the trails around you have been manicured, i'd take the superfly all day long for the speed and handling. If you're bouncing off roots- I'd take one of the other 2.

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    Im more in the forest. I live in the Tuolumne County area, there is a great thread in the NorCal Forum that has great pictures of the general terrain that is up here:
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    If that's what you ride, then I'd rule out the superfly and pick one of the other 2. I'd probably lean a little toward the rumblefish out of personal preference, but the specialized can handle it too.

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    That's one the very aggressive side. But you get the idea of the area.

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    If you're looking for the best bang for your buck, you should probably look at any bike company besides Trek or Specialized, as you tend to pay a lot more for the name. You can find a lot better components and suspension designs for the same price with other bikes. What other companies are available in your area?

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    What about giant or kona? You think they are better bang for the buck? Heard the anthem x2 is great...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrIcky View Post
    If that's what you ride, then I'd rule out the superfly and pick one of the other 2. I'd probably lean a little toward the rumblefish out of personal preference, but the specialized can handle it too.
    x2....that is a little more chunk than I prefer, definitely not the place for Superfly even al. The flowy sections look nice though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgreene2010 View Post
    If you're looking for the best bang for your buck, you should probably look at any bike company besides Trek or Specialized, as you tend to pay a lot more for the name. You can find a lot better components and suspension designs for the same price with other bikes. What other companies are available in your area?
    The only major brands within my area is Trek and Specialized. I could travel over an hour to other shops but would rather stick to the guys here in town.

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    Kona makes good stuff if you have a dealer near you. I don't think that terrain is a great place for the anthem, it's basically another cross country type bike that competes with the superfly. 29 trance coming out shortly.

    Trek and Specialized really do have pretty well sorted suspensions. Not sure where you'll find a better suspension design for less.

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    Superfly 100 actually does well in rough stuff like that, nothing in the pics is that crazy for what it can handle well. That said, if that is the average trail you ride, then go Rumblefish. If that is unusual and only an occasional ride, then superfly is better in the tamer stuff, but I am amazed at how well it does as an all purpose trail bike while still excelling in XC buff stuff and right switchbacks. For what you described, I would lean toward SF100.

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    I wouldn't say this is average, but it is something that I will be on occasionally. Most of the trails are rocky/rooted (not super chunky) though

    What if I throw the Specialized Camber Comp 29 in the mix? Still leaning to the Rumblefish?.

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    I think you're overanalyzing. Which one fits you best. Does the shop do a rental? A lot of shops will do a rental and apply the rental fee toward a purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haymarket View Post
    Superfly 100 actually does well in rough stuff like that, nothing in the pics is that crazy for what it can handle well. That said, if that is the average trail you ride, then go Rumblefish. If that is unusual and only an occasional ride, then superfly is better in the tamer stuff, but I am amazed at how well it does as an all purpose trail bike while still excelling in XC buff stuff and right switchbacks. For what you described, I would lean toward SF100.
    Yes, I sometimes ride with a guy about 210 lbs who rides Superfly CF and it seems to hold up fine for him. I've seen him break ti pedals due to strength and weight, so I'm amazed that such a light bike holds up for him, even in the rough rocky trails. I'd ride one.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrIcky View Post
    I think you're overanalyzing. Which one fits you best. Does the shop do a rental? A lot of shops will do a rental and apply the rental fee toward a purchase.
    Yes, guitly of this myself lol. Go with the one that you feel most comfortable on. I know hard to do in parking lot, but it's a start and rental test ride if you can. I never have luck finding rental bikes in my area that I was actually considering buying.
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    Yeah rentals are out of the question, hell having the bike in stock that I want to buy is tough. This is a small town so they dont keep in stock alot of the higher end models. I sat on the entry level Superfly100 yesterday and it felt pretty good, going to go by the specialized shop today or tomorrow to see if they have something similar to the Stumpy or Camber to try and compare. I do like the colors of this years Specialized so maybe that will be a factor as well.

    The hardest part for both brands is if I should spend an extra $250 for more travel. All else seems identical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyetattoo View Post
    Yeah rentals are out of the question, hell having the bike in stock that I want to buy is tough. This is a small town so they dont keep in stock alot of the higher end models. I sat on the entry level Superfly100 yesterday and it felt pretty good, going to go by the specialized shop today or tomorrow to see if they have something similar to the Stumpy or Camber to try and compare. I do like the colors of this years Specialized so maybe that will be a factor as well.

    The hardest part for both brands is if I should spend an extra $250 for more travel. All else seems identical.
    I've posted the same thing over and over in these types of threads. Take the time to travel and demo! It will save you a ton of money in the long run.

    I'm selling a 3k Stumpjumper 29 Comp with less than 100 miles on it, because I didn't demo it first. I wasn't happy with it. Walked into the shop where I bought it and they had gotten in a TBc and TBLT for demoing.

    Once I tried the SC Tallboy, I didn't want to ride my SJ anymore. You don't want to end up where I'm at. A few calls and a little bit of driving around would have saved me a bunch of money and gotten me on the right bike the first time.

    As far as the Trek and Specialized you have in you list, 2 things I don't like about both are the proprietary shocks. After trying to upgrade the shock on my SJ, I'll never buy another bike with a proprietary shock again.

    At least with Niner, SC, Intense, Pivot, Mojo etc... all use standard shocks- yes the tunes are different, but they can be replaced/upgraded easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    As far as the Trek and Specialized you have in you list, 2 things I don't like about both are the proprietary shocks. After trying to upgrade the shock on my SJ, I'll never buy another bike with a proprietary shock again.

    At least with Niner, SC, Intense, Pivot, Mojo etc... all use standard shocks- yes the tunes are different, but they can be replaced/upgraded easily.
    Thank you for the info! So what you are saying is that with Trek and Specialized Fox shocks I cannot upgrade with another Fox shock or another brand for that matter?

    I will call around to the shops that are about an hour away to see if they have them in stock, I just want to buy from the local guys if I stick with the Trek or Specialized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyetattoo View Post
    Thank you for the info! So what you are saying is that with Trek and Specialized Fox shocks I cannot upgrade with another Fox shock or another brand for that matter?

    I will call around to the shops that are about an hour away to see if they have them in stock, I just want to buy from the local guys if I stick with the Trek or Specialized.
    Not necessarily- the Superfly has a standard rear shock and a G2 fork. You can upgrade to a non-G2 fork, no big deal.

    The Camber can be changed without much hassle.

    The SJ has a wierd shock mount. The flipside is that Specialized is huge and you won't have problems getting what you need.

    The Rumblefish has has DRCV shocks but those can be changed to standard shock - I'm not sure why you would though.

    (edit: I would add though, that driving an hour before making a $2-3 grand purchase seems like a good bet if the local shops won't work with you much. Parking lots don't tell you much. I have a couple great lbs's though, so what do I know.)
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    Well they will work with me but they just don't carry stock in the higher end bikes.

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    Are you going to race xc at all? Or do any 40+ mile days? If not, by the rumblefish or spec. The Superfly 100 is made for climbing!
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    No racing but long days could happen but not regularly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrIcky View Post
    Not necessarily- the Superfly has a standard rear shock and a G2 fork. You can upgrade to a non-G2 fork, no big deal.

    The Camber can be changed without much hassle.

    The SJ has a wierd shock mount.The flipside is that Specialized is huge and you won't have problems getting what you need.

    The Rumblefish has has DRCV shocks but those can be changed to standard shock - I'm not sure why you would though

    (edit: I would add though, that driving an hour before making a $2-3 grand purchase seems like a good bet if the local shops won't work with you much. Parking lots don't tell you much. I have a couple great lbs's though, so what do I know.)

    Might want to be sure before telling people something. You can not easily upgrade the crap Triad on the SJ 29er. You can on the 26er. Trust me I spent a long time trying when I wasn't happy with the bike

    As far the DRCV shock, **** happens, what if in a few years he needs a new shock and Trek no longer makes those? Yes he can put in a regular shock, but the suspension is designed around the shock, replace that and I doubt it would ride nearly as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Might want to be sure before telling people something. You can not easily upgrade the crap Triad on the SJ 29er. You can on the 26er. Trust me I spent a long time trying when I wasn't happy with the bike

    As far the DRCV shock, **** happens, what if in a few years he needs a new shock and Trek no longer makes those? Yes he can put in a regular shock, but the suspension is designed around the shock, replace that and I doubt it would ride nearly as well.
    Doesn't Fox make the shock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyetattoo View Post
    Doesn't Fox make the shock?

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    Take a look at the rear of the shock it has a yoke, so you can't just buy a shock from fox, they are made for and sold to Specialized. So you have to buy them through specialized.

    here are some pictures RP23 Conversion

    One guy bought a new RP23 and had a shop transfer over the can so he could attach the yoke, but then he lost the Kashima coating, which I wasn't willing to buy a high end shock just to down grade it to make it fit
    RP23 Conversion


    Seriously find a way to demo. I understand the desire to support your LBS, but that doesn't help you if you end up not like the way the bike rides.
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    just had my LBS order my '13 SF Elite (that grey and orange is sexyyyy) so i want to hear some opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Take a look at the rear of the shock it has a yoke, so you can't just buy a shock from fox, they are made for and sold to Specialized. So you have to buy them through specialized.

    here are some pictures RP23 Conversion

    One guy bought a new RP23 and had a shop transfer over the can so he could attach the yoke, but then he lost the Kashima coating, which I wasn't willing to buy a high end shock just to down grade it to make it fit
    RP23 Conversion


    Seriously find a way to demo. I understand the desire to support your LBS, but that doesn't help you if you end up not like the way the bike rides.
    And it's the same case with Trek, fox shocks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyetattoo View Post
    And it's the same case with Trek, fox shocks?

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    Not exactly, the DRCV (Dual Rate Control Valve) shock is the internals. You can read about it on their web site. The suspension is designed with that shock, so who knows how well it would ride with a regular shock.

    Now, other designs like CVA, VPP, DW link, the bikes are designed with a specific tune, but you can buy a stock replacement and have it tuned to match. You have the freedom to switch from Fox to Rockshox or vice-versa. If you read on the Santa Cruz thread, there is a few people that switch from a Fox to a Rockshox on their Tallboys and think it rides much better. You not doing that experimentation with the Trek DRCV or Specialized yoked bikes.

    I was just trying to give you some extra info before you decide. I didn't think twice when I bought my SJ because I saw other Specialized with a RP23 on them so I thought it would be an easy upgrade- big mistake.

    Hell if you're set on a Stumpjumper, I'll give you good deal on mine.

    If you absolutely want a Specialized I'd go with the camber since it doesn't have the stupid yoke, but it leans to more XC than the SJ.
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    If you're not racing, go with the Rumblefish. 120mm 29ers seem to be the sweet spot for XCish like courses with a few rough spots in them. If you're not doing all mountain, and not racing, then a somewhat slack 120mm travel bike will probably suit you well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fontarin View Post
    If you're not racing, go with the Rumblefish. 120mm 29ers seem to be the sweet spot for XCish like courses with a few rough spots in them. If you're not doing all mountain, and not racing, then a somewhat slack 120mm travel bike will probably suit you well.
    Another choice is a SC TB with a 120mm front fork. I'm loving mine for exactly that kind of riding.
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    Doesn't the StumpJumper also have 120mm fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyetattoo View Post
    Doesn't the StumpJumper also have 120mm fork?
    The SJ is 130mm front and rear.

    The Tallboy I have is 120mm front/100mm rear. I just find it better suited to the riding I'm doing.
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    --sorry to get off main thread but wanted to answer this (and provide a pic so you know I am riding one)

    just had my LBS order my '13 SF Elite (that grey and orange is sexyyyy) so i want to hear some opinions.
    TREK has the new Geometry DIALED--the Trails get easier every ride (with this Slack geometry)--my 2012 Superfly Elite has a little over 69 and 72 for the Angles (and the ride quality is SICK)--

    I had another bike that used 71/74---and a reason I did not go with a new NINER is because those Hardtails basically use those angles (you can get them down a degree by increasing the Fork trail)--BUT Even on the new RDO Jet 9--the size Large angles are like 72/75 almost!!----I am sure the way the geometry is made makes it ride better--BUT ALL I KNOW is that TREK has DIALED these new frames!!!! I have never ridden another bike that feels better (and I have ridden a few)--here is my new Superfly (waiting on a XX Tapered 15mm fork)
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    I guess I will have to check out Santa Cruz bikes as well. Found out that my lbs also carries them now.

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    Big Difference

    As far as the 2 treks go, it's a big difference.
    The superfly is a much better all around bike.
    The Rumblefish has a lot more travel and would be better suited to a mountainous area.
    I was looking at the Rumble vs Super myself and for the Mid-west the Superfly is a no-brainer.

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