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    Steel, slack hardtail

    What are the "go to" options this year?
    Something like this, but geared.

    And yes, I know I COULD contact 44 and get him to make me one.

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    Honzo? The one in the picture seems to share alot of the features of one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    Honzo? The one in the picture seems to share alot of the features of one.
    Yeah, been looking at that, and the Ragley Big Wig.

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    Canfield nimble9 or Canfield epo


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    I have a Honzo, but if I was looking for a new frame I'd go with the Moxie Pipedream

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    RSD Wildcat (27.5+) or BigChief (29+).

    Picked up a BigChief beginning of the year, absolutely love it!

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    Stanton Slackline

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    OK, what? Is that MR. XC looking to join the rowdy crowd Seriously, so many options out there, for you being where you are, lots of UK/Euro based companies. You've looked at some good ones already, but are you sure you're ready for one? I ask that question seriously as I know what you've been riding and think maybe you're looking for something like what I am, something with aggressive geo,, but not so much travel, just something to take the edge off and keep the front smooth on those off camber root fill descents.

    Either way, if you're truly looking for one, the Big Wig is definitely indicative of what you're looking for. I'd say basically, you want to be looking for a frame with a Reach longer than what you're accustomed to on your XC setups, something that would make you use a stem in the 30-50mm range, coupled with a bar in the 750-800mm range, head angle in the 65-67* range and BB is a personal thing, for me liking chunky tech, I like mine higher in the 12.5-13" range.

    Right now when funds allow I might find a 29+ fork that can go to 80-100mm travel to put on my 2018 Unit, which would give similar geo, but higher BB, but I'm realistic in how much travel I want, because I know what my body can absorb playing suspension for the rear and also I don't want all that travel when in technical slow speed stuff, especially once it starts to point DH and get steep, hard to keep the front up and out of the travel.
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    Don't forget GG Pedalhead. Don't currently have one but if i were looking for a rowdy hardtail, that would be the one on the top of my list
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Squirrel View Post
    Stanton Slackline
    Or the Stanton Sherpa

    While the Honzo is sweet, I wouldn't call it overly slack.
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    Stop asking how much it weighs and just go ride it.

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    Pipedream Moxie

    I looked at all of the above and they all had at least one fault for me. The Moxie might tick your boxes.

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    Soma Valhallen? (yeah, it's a 27.5" + frame, but conventional 29er wheels should work too.
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    Dont forget I have a Banshee Prime.
    Looking to offload it. Just too much bike for where I ride.
    Was looking to just get a geared hardtail, but now thinking something a little less XC?
    Just not sure what is around.
    Someone locally has a 2016 NS EVO which also looks interesting (but maybe too much travel?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    the Ragley Big Wig.
    My recommendation and what I ride. 2017 Ragely BigWig (green/yellow) with a 140 Fox 34 fork.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    My recommendation and what I ride. 2017 Ragely BigWig (green/yellow) with a 140 Fox 34 fork.
    Any recommendations on where to look? Neither Google not their website we much help. Would need to be willing to ship to Australia.

    I can't even find any pricing info.

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    I think chain reaction sells ragley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Squirrel View Post
    I think chain reaction sells ragley.
    They did.
    All out of stock now.

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    Chromag, Primer or Rootdown.
    I've ridden a Primer for a little over a year its one of the best riding bikes I have ever owned with over 25 years of mountain biking having owned some of the finest hardtails available in that time. Its super slack, crazy long in the front but about as short as a bike can be in the back. It barely skims the ground its so low. Carves corners like no other jumps like a Dj bike, bombs rocks, and is one of the best tech climbers Ive ever ridden.
    Where I live everyone that rides (rides not owns) aggressive hardtails either ride the Konas, Chameleons or Chromags.
    The Guerrilla Gravity bike looks good but its set up for too short a fork for my taste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endomaniac View Post
    Chromag, Primer or Rootdown.
    I've ridden a Primer for a little over a year its one of the best riding bikes I have ever owned with over 25 years of mountain biking having owned some of the finest hardtails available in that time. Its super slack, crazy long in the front but about as short as a bike can be in the back. It barely skims the ground its so low. Carves corners like no other jumps like a Dj bike, bombs rocks, and is one of the best tech climbers Ive ever ridden.
    Where I live everyone that rides (rides not owns) aggressive hardtails either ride the Konas, Chameleons or Chromags.
    The Guerrilla Gravity bike looks good but its set up for too short a fork for my taste.
    Was wondering why no one had mentioned these yet! Seems like the Rootdown BA is the common US one.

    Others would be...
    - Production Privee Shan (not the Shan No5)
    - Cotic Solaris
    - Proudfoot Resolve

    Steel is still out there but more of a boutique brand material than something that is done by larger companies. Don't get me wrong there are a few out there (Kona, Chromag) but it is not widely used. Still have my On-One Inbred (XC hardtail) and love that thing but wish it had more travel and was fs. Hence why next year I am building a steel fs for my 40th (leaning heavily towards the Cotic FlareMAX).

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    Not sure if you were looking to spend custom $$ again, but this guy is local (Aus) to you, so might be worth a look. As to the Ragley, yeah, not sure what happened, CRC had them in stock, were on sale, but stock seemed good and now I only see on Ragley listed on the site, so not sure if they've stopped carrying them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Not sure if you were looking to spend custom $$ again, but this guy is local (Aus) to you, so might be worth a look. As to the Ragley, yeah, not sure what happened, CRC had them in stock, were on sale, but stock seemed good and now I only see on Ragley listed on the site, so not sure if they've stopped carrying them.


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    Nope.
    Happy with off the rack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Nope.
    Happy with off the rack.
    Think if you are looking at easily off the rack, easy US based sale/purchase you are probably looking at the Chromag Rootdown BA or GG Pedalhead for something a little more "boutique". But if you want something that is easily shop supported then you want the Kona. Don't think you can go wrong with any of the the above mentioned though.

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    Canfield Nimble 9 is just awesome and a bucket of fun!
    he smelt of triflow, had a nice smile, with kind eyes... so I married him

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    Love my nimble9

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    REEB!

    My friend has one, it is awesome. The also sell beer which is nice. Or actually they sell beer and make bikes too. Oscar Blues!

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    Leaning to the Honzo now.
    The Big Wig geometry looks too short for me.
    I run a 25" ETT on my XC bike and the biggest Big Wig is under 24.5".

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    Either way, if you're truly looking for one, the Big Wig is definitely indicative of what you're looking for. I'd say basically, you want to be looking for a frame with a Reach longer than what you're accustomed to on your XC setups, something that would make you use a stem in the 30-50mm range, coupled with a bar in the 750-800mm range, head angle in the 65-67* range and BB is a personal thing, for me liking chunky tech, I like mine higher in the 12.5-13" range.
    Had more of a look.
    Big Wig is too short.
    Pity.
    Back to the drawing board.
    Not interested in 29+ or 27.5"

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    Niner ROS9- I have one set up as a SS and its a blast, Check Bike Exchange- frame shows up for sale there

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    RSD Middle Child:
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    Niner is pretty old school geometry, short, 68° HTA, long seat tube.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Guerrilla Gravity Pedalhead XL
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    Quote Originally Posted by KTMDirtFace View Post
    Nice, but wont be spending that much for a steel frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wankel View Post
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    Again, nice.
    Again, wont be spending that much.

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    I'd love to get ahold of a Primer...lack of sliders is a deal killer though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Nice, but wont be spending that much for a steel frame.
    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Again, nice.
    Again, wont be spending that much.
    So what exactly is the budget?

    How about a Surly Karate Monkey? It's been updated to take up to a 140mm fork. https://surlybikes.com/bikes/karate_..._27.5/geometry

    or a RSD? They make a few decent looking hardtails. https://www.rsdbikes.com/portfolio/middlechild-cr-mo/

    Or a Vassago Jabberwocky? JabberWocky Frame

    Between the Nimble 9, Honzo, or Karate Monkey, what are you looking for that these don't offer?
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    Stop asking how much it weighs and just go ride it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    So what exactly is the budget?

    How about a Surly Karate Monkey? It's been updated to take up to a 140mm fork. https://surlybikes.com/bikes/karate_..._27.5/geometry

    or a RSD? They make a few decent looking hardtails. https://www.rsdbikes.com/portfolio/middlechild-cr-mo/

    Or a Vassago Jabberwocky? JabberWocky Frame

    Between the Nimble 9, Honzo, or Karate Monkey, what are you looking for that these don't offer?
    Out of everything I have looked at, the KM and the Honzo seem to fit what I am looking for.
    The Honzo might be just a bit more burly.
    RSD is way more than I want to spend.
    Jabberwocky is way to short in the ETT.

    Will have a bit more read around the KM.

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    If you put a 140mm fork on the KM the seat tube angle will be rediculously slack.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    If you put a 140mm fork on the KM the seat tube angle will be rediculously slack.
    The new geometry?

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    Nothing new about it. The KM geometry chart has 483mm fork length and a 29/27.7+ 140mm has a length of 550mm. 67mm extra will be a 3° slacker HTA and STA, so the stock 73° STA will be about 70°. Modern would be 74° or steeper. I don't know what you like, but that slack a STA would be horrible for me. I am riding and loving my Moxie which has a 75.5° STA with a 150mm fork. Do some more research, and a few more $ now is cheaper than swapping frames later.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluidworks View Post
    I have a Honzo, but if I was looking for a new frame I'd go with the Moxie Pipedream
    Crazy short seat tube??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Nothing new about it. The KM geometry chart has 483mm fork length and a 29/27.7+ 140mm has a length of 550mm. 67mm extra will be a 3° slacker HTA and STA, so the stock 73° STA will be about 70°. Modern would be 74° or steeper. I don't know what you like, but that slack a STA would be horrible for me. I am riding and loving my Moxie which has a 75.5° STA with a 150mm fork. Do some more research, and a few more $ now is cheaper than swapping frames later.
    Moxie's 16.5" seat tube on their biggest frame is putting me off.
    Is it really only 16.5"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Nothing new about it. The KM geometry chart has 483mm fork length and a 29/27.7+ 140mm has a length of 550mm. 67mm extra will be a 3° slacker HTA and STA, so the stock 73° STA will be about 70°. Modern would be 74° or steeper. I don't know what you like, but that slack a STA would be horrible for me. I am riding and loving my Moxie which has a 75.5° STA with a 150mm fork. Do some more research, and a few more $ now is cheaper than swapping frames later.
    Does the word "sag" mean anything to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Moxie's 16.5" seat tube on their biggest frame is putting me off.
    Is it really only 16.5"?
    Who cares? You need room for a dropper, why not have the biggest one you can get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodownzero View Post
    Who cares? You need room for a dropper, why not have the biggest one you can get?
    Having cracked a frame a the ST due to using too short a ST (and too long a seatpost), I care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twodownzero View Post
    Does the word "sag" mean anything to you?
    Yes, but with an AM hardtail I spend a lot of time climbing to get to the descents. While climbing the fork sags very little, if any, and climbing is when I need the steep STA. I looked at the KM during my research and crossed it off my list
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    I'm 5'9" and have plenty of room for my 160mm Revive. If I was designing that frame I would have added a bit of seat tube to the longer.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Not as slack as some offerings at 67.5 with a 130mm fork, I do love my Kona Honzo.

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    I almost got a Honzo and a Works Components angle adjusting headset. Honzo, -1° headset, and 140mm fork has pretty dialled geometry.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebeat007 View Post
    Not as slack as some offerings at 67.5 with a 130mm fork, I do love my Kona Honzo.

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    Nice honzo!

    I suspect that the long bikes really wouldn’t require as slack a head angle to achieve the same planted and secure feeling as a shorter bike would. After all your weight is significantly more biased to the rear of the bike already. I think that’s part of the reason why the Honzo continues to be so well liked despite it not being particularly slack (compared to many of the new crop of aggro hardtails). Couple that with a short travel fork and you end up with a bike that remains very consistent in its geometry vs a long travel hardtail.
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    take a look at the NS Eccentric Cromo Frame... it may be the sleeper/lesser known option of whats been mentioned... in US - ~$550 retail, Tange eccentric tubing - modern geo without being over the top and outstanding build quality in welds and the little things. I toiled over almost all these same bikes - building the NS now and couldn't be more excited. if looks are important the black/black frame only is as nice i've seen and about the same as the SC Nomad 3 all murdered out

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    What's the largest tire it'll take?

    Quote Originally Posted by kamper11 View Post
    take a look at the NS Eccentric Cromo Frame... it may be the sleeper/lesser known option of whats been mentioned... in US - ~$550 retail, Tange eccentric tubing - modern geo without being over the top and outstanding build quality in welds and the little things. I toiled over almost all these same bikes - building the NS now and couldn't be more excited. if looks are important the black/black frame only is as nice i've seen and about the same as the SC Nomad 3 all murdered out

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    Decision made, frame ordered.
    Stay tuned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurse Ben View Post
    What's the largest tire it'll take?
    Maximum tire size recommended: 29” x 2.4”, 650B x 3.0”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    I'd love to get ahold of a Primer...lack of sliders is a deal killer though.
    get ahold of Chromag. I've seen a Surface or two with horizontal dropouts. I'm sure they'd do a Primer as well.

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    Was going to also say Pipedream Moxie.
    The seat tube is that short on propose, to accommodate a long dropper post (and lower standover). It's designed to work that way, just make sure you comply with minimum insertion lengths (as with any frame).

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNKY View Post
    get ahold of Chromag. I've seen a Surface or two with horizontal dropouts. I'm sure they'd do a Primer as well.
    If I'm paying $1650 for a steel frame...I'm going full custom.
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    So - mocked up with a 29 Maxxis DHF 2.5 wt (sat for 2 days at 35 psi) - fits - nicely - not huge room - but plenty. Anticipate it will hold a 3.0 in b+ mode... will put a caliper on the 2.5 and see where it measures knob to knob

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