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    Stan's Raven 29er Tire

    I was wondering if anyone had any experience with the NoTubes Raven 29er tire, and what your opinion on it was? I'm going to need to invest in a new set of tires soon, and they looked pretty good. I'm not too rough on tires, and I have an S-works Captain on my bike now.

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    About half the volume of the Captain with less than half the traction.

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    Depends on where you ride I guess...I like it on the rear. The tire rolls great and the breaking traction is really good with the correct pressure. Obviously it gives up some on high speed turns but about 1/4lb lighter than the captain talked about above.

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    I've been running mine front and rear for about three months now. I replaced a set of crows I had for about a year. I find them to be good for the topography I ride which includes a lot of short steep climbs. The trails here are mostly tacky soil with roots at all different angles, rocks, logs, and lots of water bars on the climbs. In dry to slightly moist conditions, I have set my personal best on a six mile loop and an eleven mile loop on these tires. Even in the rain, I have not had and traction issues but did slow down and stick to the edges. The only spin out issues have been climbing water bars with about 1/2" of snow. What I do like is that these tires do not clog up, they shed mud pretty cleanly. Traction is good as long as you adjust for the conditions. The key to traction is dialing in the pressure and properly weighting and unweighting your tires over obstacles and keeping a good smooth spin. I run about 26 lbs. front and 28 lbs. rear. A more aggressive tire up front would be a good combo for railing the corners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by volpepazza
    I've been running mine front and rear for about three months now. I replaced a set of crows I had for about a year.
    Have you detected any significant difference from the Crows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titus Maximus
    Have you detected any significant difference from the Crows?
    I second this question. Do the Ravens seem as light and thin as the Crows are? I was looking to the Ravens for a new set of tires, but I wanted them "burley" enough to withstand rocky sections without a rip being a concern.
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    Stopped by the Path today...they have a new Maxxis 29er tire. 510 grams with tread very similar to the Larsen TT.

    I would jump for that waaaay before the Raven with only a 50g weight penalty, but HUGE traction advantages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    Stopped by the Path today...they have a new Maxxis 29er tire. 510 grams with tread very similar to the Larsen TT.

    I would jump for that waaaay before the Raven with only a 50g weight penalty, but HUGE traction advantages.
    What's the name of this tire? Do you have a link to it?

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    another question

    Is it a bad idea to run a stan's tire, be it a crow or a raven with only a tube? I don't have tubeless 29er rims, but want both of these tires. Will the tire not seat correctly on a clincher type rim?

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    It'll be fine to run the tires with a tube. That being said, I suggest just making the wheels you have into a tubeless set-up with a rim strip and some sealant, and going tubeless. But your bike, your call I guess.

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    Stan's catalog specifically says you can use a tube with Stan's tires, but like locobaylor and myself recommends going tubeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nkrax
    What's the name of this tire? Do you have a link to it?

    thanks.
    This is just a guess, but is it the Maxxis Aspen? How about a pic Padre? What width is it? You baited everyone now please show the goods.
    Also, Stan's is supposed to be making a 2.2 width for both the Crow and Raven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotto
    Also, Stan's is supposed to be making a 2.2 width for both the Crow and Raven.
    From what I can see on the notubes "tires" page, the 2.2 is available in 26" only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titus Maximus
    From what I can see on the notubes "tires" page, the 2.2 is available in 26" only.
    To correct myself, I just found a reference to a Raven 29x2.2 here:
    http://www.actionsports.co.jp/img_no...es_catalog.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by locobaylor
    I was wondering if anyone had any experience with the NoTubes Raven 29er tire, and what your opinion on it was? I'm going to need to invest in a new set of tires soon, and they looked pretty good. I'm not too rough on tires, and I have an S-works Captain on my bike now.
    I think the tire looks very promising with the slightly raised center knobs (over the Crow) and the higher side knobs.

    The question that is on my mind concerns the Raven 2.2 coming out in the 29"er size. That sounds like an ideal front tire application for my purposes (heck, rear too with only the addition of 50 grams). But is this tire actually available? Or is it vaporware.....

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    Stans just sent me a new catalog this week when I ordered a sealer injector and it lists the Raven 29 2.2. However it doesn't list the 29er race wheelset yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotto
    This is just a guess, but is it the Maxxis Aspen? How about a pic Padre? What width is it? You baited everyone now please show the goods.
    Also, Stan's is supposed to be making a 2.2 width for both the Crow and Raven.
    The Aspen is not out in 29" version yet.
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    I asked stans about the raven 29 2.2 a couple weeks ago when I ordered my wheels and they said they were on order and they should be getting them within about a month.

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    I don't really notice much difference between the two. I don't get to ride very consistently anymore either so I may not be the best judge of that. I'm looking forward to the 2.2 version, I think that will make a noticeable difference. As for sidewall tears, over the last 4 years I've ridden Ignitors, Crows, and Ravens tubeless and have never had a sidewall tear. I just wind up throwing the tires out after I wear the tread down. The only sidewall tear I've EVER had was inflicted by a cut sapling on a 26" Python UST. That was like getting stabbed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    Stopped by the Path today...they have a new Maxxis 29er tire. 510 grams with tread very similar to the Larsen TT.

    I would jump for that waaaay before the Raven with only a 50g weight penalty, but HUGE traction advantages.
    For sale or on display? I have wanted that tire for a very long time in a 29er.
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    Raven 2.2

    If anyone can confirm when 2.2 comes in or gets a look at them vs. the 2.0 I would appreciate it.

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    Due to arrive this Wednesday if all goes right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike B.
    Due to arrive this Wednesday if all goes right.
    I just looked at the website today and didn't see a place holder for them. What will the cost be?
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    lots of site updates in the works at the moment. To answer your question though, same as the 2.0
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    i put the 700x35 raven on my bike and it rips on the road. i wouldnt ride it on anything other than tow path trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yourdaguy
    Stan's catalog specifically says you can use a tube with Stan's tires, but like locobaylor and myself recommends going tubeless.
    I agree! I ran Stan's with and without tubes and did not have an issue either way. I do run only tubeless now!
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    boo-ya! I just ordered a set the Raven 2.2 29er from notubes.com... just added to the site I guess. Never dropped that much on tires before. fingers crossed! any words of encouragement would be appreciated. seems like they should be even faster and have better traction than the 2.0 (which I have not tried). I do ride some rocky trails, but I grew up riding rigid and being poor, so I don't really make it a habit of bashing stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike B.
    lots of site updates in the works at the moment. To answer your question though, same as the 2.0
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    Why not more people using Karma's (the same quality tire) that can be had for $20?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvi
    Why not more people using Karma's (the same quality tire) that can be had for $20?
    Where did you find Karmas for $20.00?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindWithMe
    Where did you find Karmas for $20.00?
    Better yet, where did you find a Karma 2.2 that weighs in at 530-550g?

    1.9's weigh a tad over 500g, but the 2.2's add some serious gram beef coming in around 700+ grams as opposed to the 2.2 Ravens listed weight of 530-550g.

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    I ride Raven 2.0 front and back on my 29 ZTR RACE rims. I have 2 sets of wheels and these are my race wheels. My impressions are these are a very fast race tire/rim combination with good traction in dry and tacky conditions. I have to admit that I am often surprised at how well these tires corner. I find myself thinking “oh Sh!t” I am going too fast for this turn but am able to hammer through it with no problems. The only issue I have with these tires is when fast breaking while turning sharp corners and while at high speeds in a straight line. In these situations I feel the rear tire break loose quite often and slide more than other nobbiers tires that I use for most of my riding. BUT, this is to be expected as I feel you need to give something up to have such a fast light tire. For the record I am 150 lbs and run 27psi rear and 24 psi front in my Ravens. And tubeless.

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    karmas for $20 are only pro deal/team deals. Karma 2.2 weighs 790g (at least the 2 that sit on my shelf).

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    I just got my pair of no tubes the crow tires. I've been running them on my race bike for the past few weeks and i feel as though they provide alot of grip to the ground. They do not feel stable underneath you and cost me a race i would have won. Now im running a crow in the back and a maxxis ignitor in the front and seems to be awesome providing just the right amount of traction....but these tires are an awesome lightweight race tire for flat ground smooth hardpack racing!!

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    First MTBR post is to resurrect an old discussion to criticize the Crow in a thread about the Raven? sure, they are based on the same design but the Raven has more tread than then Crow.
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    I ran the Raven 2.2 in front and rear and had two accidents in about two weeks. I've ridden MTB for over 15 years and have had maybe two accidents during that time. I think the Raven on the front is very dangerous and I'll never do that again. I will however run them on the rear since they are light and can be run very low pressure.

    UPDATE: I did run them tubeless on Stans Arch rims anywhere between 20-30 PSI. After a few weeks of the Raven and a couple painful accidents I went back to my Ardents (front and rear) and could not believe how much faster I could ride on them especially in corners. The Ardents are heavier but they make up for it in the ability to go much faster.

    I will say the Ravens are OK except in dry loose conditions when riding fast; which is pretty obvious if you've seen the Raven's "tread".
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    Quote Originally Posted by BMG9
    I ran the Raven 2.2 in front and rear and had two accidents in about two weeks. I've ridden MTB for over 15 years and have had maybe two accidents during that time. I think the Raven on the front is very dangerous and I'll never do that again. I will however run them on the rear since they are light and can be run very low pressure.
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    Using them w/o tubes and lowering the PSI into the low 20's really makes these shine. If you are set on using tubes or running higher pressures, use a different tire. Low PSI allows these to conform better to the terrain and improves grip dramatically. I will be switching the 2.0's to my SS Monster-crosser for the Fall, and getting a set of 2.2's (hopefully they will be in soon) for Ore-To-Shore and Iceman races.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMG9
    I ran the Raven 2.2 in front and rear and had two accidents in about two weeks. I've ridden MTB for over 15 years and have had maybe two accidents during that time. I think the Raven on the front is very dangerous and I'll never do that again. I will however run them on the rear since they are light and can be run very low pressure.
    I had the same deal. These are very fast tires but they demand your full attention. For where I ride (Northern CA) they are just too sketchy. At least for me anyway, perhaps a better rider used to racing tires could make these work. I'm going to run my Nevegal on the front and see if that is a better combo but I'm looking at the Ignitors if it doesn't work out.

    Also, I've gotten two sidewall punctures in two weeks of using them. The Stan's sealed them right up but though,

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    I have the Ralph 2.25 on my bike now and was thinking of switching to the Raven 2.0. I had the Bonty XR1 Team Issues and they were great. I ride in FL with a lot of roots and sand loose dirt and so forth. I think I might give these a try.

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