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    Stainless Steel DH 29er Frame with dual drive chains

    I wasn't planning on letting this cat out of the bag yet, but since a picture of it already leaked out on the interwebs I might as well roll with it.

    This frame (and a couple others) will be available first quarter 2013 from my burgeoning company - Oxide Cycles.

    I'm pursuing a grant to jump start the company and hoping I might get a little help from you. More on that below...

    As the title says, this bike is stainless steel. I wanted to explore several concepts with this frame:

    Building with stainless was one, 29" wheels (adjustable for 650b and 26") a jackshaft drive system that was cleaner and simpler than other examples I've seen and single speed.



    I'm stoked on how it turned out and the ride is sublime.

    I'd like to share more images and details, but you are going to have to earn them! I need help with a financial grant being offered by Chase Bank and Living Social. It requires 250 'votes' to qualify and I have until the end of this month (June 2012) Right now I have over half the votes done. Just need about another 100.

    Once I get to 250 votes I will post more pictures and details.

    To vote, you need a facebook account and this link:

    www.missionsmallbusiness.com

    Click the big blue button on the right side of the start page labeled "Log in & Support"

    Log in with your facebook info and then search for my business name: Velomech (you can easily find it without selecting a city and state, but if you want, I'm in Boise, Idaho)

    At the bottom of the page click "VOTE"

    Done. Easier than it sounds. Takes one minute.

    Once I hit 250 I'll spill all the beans you want. No votes, then no beans til 2013.

    So cast them votes and if you don't have a facebook account, get one of your facebooking friends log in and vote on your behalf.

    Thanks!

    -Alan
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    I'm with you.
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    sounds/looks like a killer project.

    I can't help you due to the Facebook requirement.

    best of luck.
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    Just curious, not being a bagger, why stainless?

    I know it's a growing material, but the general consensus is it's great for road frames, but is awfully brittle, thus, not great for MTB, particularly DH.

    Not coming from a know it all standpoint, if it's some new material that solves this, awesome!

    Nice looking frame!

    This is a Pugs not some carbon wannabee pretzel wagon!!

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    Gave you my vote, good luck!

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    Fair question. All metal alloys come in a rainbow of flavors. Many are unsuitable for bike frames for various reasons. Recently a company called KVA stainless has devoted some of their considerable talent to producing tubing for the bicycle frame building industry. Without them, this bike would not exist. They list metallurgical properties on their site, if you are into that sort of thing. But generally speaking, these stainless tubes have exceptional fatigue resistance comparable to titanium with greater rigidity for the same cross section.
    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith View Post
    Just curious, not being a bagger, why stainless?

    I know it's a growing material, but the general consensus is it's great for road frames, but is awfully brittle, thus, not great for MTB, particularly DH.

    Not coming from a know it all standpoint, if it's some new material that solves this, awesome!

    Nice looking frame!


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    Sorry, I'm no engineer, but that looks like a disaster circa 1995(?).

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    voted

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    Quote Originally Posted by atom29 View Post
    Yup, you're no engineer!
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    OP: voted; good luck man!
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    Possible to see it in Boise?
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    Quote Originally Posted by atom29 View Post
    Sorry, I'm no engineer, but that looks like a disaster circa 1995(?).
    Huh? You don't know what your talking about.

    To the OP, cool bike, would love to vote but no Facebook crap here.

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    Nice looking frame.

    Voted

    Can't help but think that putting a hub gear in that frame would make it a lot more popular.
    Why would I care about 150g of bike weight, I just ate 400g of cookies while reading this?

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    Just playing, yeah more going on there than I know. I wouldn't think all your investors would be engineers, so you might have to explain the design a bit to inspire the cash flow.

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    I voted.

    Please don't wait too long to spill the beans...I'm deciding what my next 29er frame will be, so far, it looks like a Banshee Prime...but this frame might change my mind and might be worth waiting for (I already have a 29er Dorado and a pair of Dissent 2.5 tires I could put on it).

    Thanks.
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    +1 vote. Good luck with it!

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    Looks like an interesting project, but as an investor I'd have a hard time with two things:

    Steel-great for hardtails, bit of a hard sell with carbon and aluminum owning 99% of the DH market now.

    Tires: No dual ply 29" DH tires on the market anymore, and my guess is, with 650B coming on strong, there never will be. No DH tires, no DH bikes.

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    Voted twice (used wifes facebook)! Good luck and would love to a stainless trail bike too.

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    Exactly

    This looks like a fantastically fun bike to ride, and I'm sure it was a really fun project to build. It is also a terrible business proposition and probably a great way to lose a bunch of money.

    I've done a bunch of weird (but not quite this weird) 7+" travel 29er DH frames over the years (starting in 2005!) All of them rode great and I really enjoyed them. Nobody has *ever* wanted to buy one. C'est la vie. The DH market is not interested in $5k+ vanity frames (and honestly, can you blame them?) Heck, we don't even have a TIRE anymore after WTB pulled the plug on the Kodiak and Dissent.

    I could be completely wrong, of course, but if I am, your best bet is still to just make information available, not try to do some kind of wacky social media guerrilla marketing/kickstarter stuff. If people want what you're making, you're golden. If they don't, no amount of facebook shenanigans will help.

    As an aside, where do you ride DH in Boise? I'm moving to SLC in 6 weeks and there is NOTHING to ride my 6" bike on around there - a couple of mediocre trails at the resorts and that's about it. I was expecting more gravity stuff given how popular it is here in CO, but it seems that scene is in it's infancy in the Wasatch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eMcK View Post
    Looks like an interesting project, but as an investor I'd have a hard time with two things:

    Steel-great for hardtails, bit of a hard sell with carbon and aluminum owning 99% of the DH market now.

    Tires: No dual ply 29" DH tires on the market anymore, and my guess is, with 650B coming on strong, there never will be. No DH tires, no DH bikes.
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    I voted for ya. I'll be interested in follow up on this project, but like others have posted getting some essential components sounds like a daunting task. Good luck!

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    Thanks for all the votes and comments.

    I don't normally spend time on facebook or forums. It is purely a concession for the grant I'm applying for and the voting process they have set forth.

    Keep in mind I have other projects in the works. The DH bike here was an outlet for concepts I want to explore, much like a show car from an auto manufacturer. I have no illusions of selling them in volume. The design has been configured to adapt to IGH hubs, derailleurs and the other two wheel sizes to make it more market friendly if I choose.

    The grant monies I'm seeking will go towards a lineup of XC and all mountain products that better apply to the area cyclists. Sadly, the DH scene here is almost nonexistent. We do have some really fun trails, but you have to work at getting to them. But that is why road trips were invented!

    Also, these frames are a house brand for a thriving local bike shop. As a stand alone business, it would be limited. But as a component of a larger operation it make sense. This grant is not for start ups. The business must be at least two years old (Velomech is in its fifth year) I'm just building on the success of the shop by providing a local frame option that will hopefully gain widespread appeal. Like Moots bikes for example.

    Another benefit to developing this bike brand is the community involvement. We are setting up programs with the Boise State University Engineering Department. Our partnership with them will provide fun and interesting design challenges for the senior students. Hands on projects that will become a part of the production lineup. Most college students like bikes, and the enthusiasm for working on a real product (not something theoretical) makes for a huge boost in enthusiasm and engagement in the student.

    The long term vision is to create engineering and manufacturing jobs in Boise so that when the students graduate they will have a local job option as well. Kind of a farm to table concept. The type of thing that builds healthy communities.

    And if you are in Boise, stop by Velomech and check out the DH bike and the others that will be done soon.

    Cheers,

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    Actually Walt makes a good point. Is anyone remotely interested in buying this bike, or just voted to find out more about it?
    Why would I care about 150g of bike weight, I just ate 400g of cookies while reading this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaveGiant View Post
    Actually Walt makes a good point. Is anyone remotely interested in buying this bike, or just voted to find out more about it?
    I was just curious, but I have been waiting for a true 29er DH bike to come out. I think they could rock as long as they were stiff enough and could be built with a reasonable wheelbase, the smoother ride could negate any extra weight. Hell, who am I kidding, I still ride a 45lb DH bike, definitely not competitive for any dedicated downhiller lol.

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    They have been available for years

    Alex Morgan and I both built 29" frames with ~7" travel in 2005 (his was much more awesome and I think he even did a *World Cup* on it, because he can actually ride, unlike me). Devin Lenz started making his 7" frame 3 or 4 years ago (I think it's been around that long) and it's a fully capable DH sled:
    Lenz Sport :: The best full-suspension mountain bikes :: PBJ

    So if you want one, call Devin up and buy it. But be aware that the beefiest tire you can buy right now is a ~900g 2.4 that will turn into Swiss cheese in about 50 feet of serious DH use. If you can get your hands on some of the discontinued Dissents, you can actually ride the bike to it's capabilities (or, well, you can if you have the tires AND the skills). On the plus side, there is a fork you can use, and some vaguely appropriate rims.

    To the OP - your scheme sounds like a very fun and fulfilling way to put your shop out of business. Working with engineering students is great fun, but it's not a way to run a for-profit company. Building bikes is a blast, but unless that's your focus and you've got your ducks really well in a row, it's very hard to make it profitable. I wish you all the best, but if I were you I'd be very careful - if there is no DH riding in your area or demand for a bike like what you've posted, why did you build it as your first frame? You should be building a more awesome/local version of *whatever you sell the most of at the shop*.

    -Walt

    Quote Originally Posted by masterofnone View Post
    I was just curious, but I have been waiting for a true 29er DH bike to come out. I think they could rock as long as they were stiff enough and could be built with a reasonable wheelbase, the smoother ride could negate any extra weight. Hell, who am I kidding, I still ride a 45lb DH bike, definitely not competitive for any dedicated downhiller lol.
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    Walt, your power of assumption is spellbinding...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaveGiant View Post
    Is anyone remotely interested in buying this bike, or just voted to find out more about it?
    We would be more interested in it if we actually knew more about it.

    Velomech, you need to give us all the specs and detailed info on it right now. People will vote if they like it and are interested in it, but in order for that to happen they actually NEED to know about the bike.

    It's a much better idea than playing this silly "Vote, and I'll spill the beans." game

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    Oh noes. I'm going to drink the Kool-Aid.

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    This is about as interesting as a Honda dh bike.....

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    No hate here

    Please correct me - is the incorrect assumption that this is a for-profit endeavor? I love to see new companies get started, and my advice is only intended to help, not upset you. If working with engineering students is something you want to do, do it.

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    Walt, your power of assumption is spellbinding...
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    There is a true bike out, the Lenz PBJ.

    My WFO is not far off.

    But seriously this bike is beautiful, and interesting, just don't see it being financially viable.
    Why would I care about 150g of bike weight, I just ate 400g of cookies while reading this?

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    Subscribed, but I sincerely hope this thread stays on topic. Not likely, given the lack of 411 on this bike. My eyes are peeled for our local Dickens character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaveGiant View Post
    Actually Walt makes a good point. Is anyone remotely interested in buying this bike, or just voted to find out more about it?
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    Sorry not convinced...... But then I hate facebook as well
    Good luck anyway though.

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    I voted. Look forward to seeing some information. I think what you are trying to do is commendable. So sad about the negative Nancy's in the room. Even if he get's 250 votes it might not pan out for him. So might as well get him the votes so we can see more. Best of luck.

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    Where does this "grant" come from?

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    I don't have Facebook but if I did you would have my support. Good luck!! Being a future engineer (going to Portland State Univ.) interested in working in the bike industry if/where possible, I am incredibly envious of Boise State's involvement. I look forward to hearing more, and I hope that this business venture is wildly successful (you seem to have a good deal thought out and planned well)!

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    Update?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niles View Post
    Update?
    We did not make the final cut for the grant. No big surprise. Just means we will continue at the usual (slow) pace of development as monies roll in through sweat equity.

    Parts are being readied for a batch of six frames. The water jet pieces are all cut and the tubes are finally here. Just working on some secondary machining and waiting on the CNC parts. That should all be done in a week or two.

    The first production frame out of the fixture will be shown at NAHBS - February 22-24 at the KVA booth.

    The other five frames will be welded up in March.

    We only plan on building the six frames in 2013, so if you want one, contact me. We have other, more marketable frames that will take priority this year.

    I'm starting to post updates on Facebook, and a website is forthcoming.

    -Alan

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    Velomech, et al,

    I really dig the spirit of this project. From what I can tell, you've got a purpose-built bike that is supposed to serve a local population's proclivities. That's awesome. If six people find that this bike is exactly the thing they need to ride the way they want, then you've done a ripe act in making it. Of course, that discounts the engineering pleasure you've probably derived from your work on it; as anyone who's built their own bike up knows, just making something for your own purposes is thrilling.

    All the concerns about manufacturing a "best seller" are certainly valid from the money angle, and Alan seems to have a level eye on that, but I really respect that that isn't his only concern.

    Here's to the whole shebang! Have fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by atom29 View Post
    Seen one of these on the trail a few months ago.

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