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    SOMAJuice 18" powdered safety orange w/ Soma Smoothie Badge
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    So? How does it ride? Looks awesome. Love the green.

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    rides great..set up as a 34x17
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    Again, I did not "generalize"...

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenLightGo View Post
    I'm sure it is discernible. I could tell the difference between my Redline Monocog Flight and KM when ridden back to back, but the difference is more than the tubesets. The KM is stiff if you define it that way. Problem is the artificial 'stiff' scale is applied differently by each individual...stiff to a 135lb Cat 1 guy is not stiff to me at 210lbs.


    I should have been more 'discerning' in my contextual grab. Hasty generalization referred to the generalized statements below, not his stated opinion:





    I don't discount his experience and am not offended if people don't like the KM. It's irrelevant to me and my bike preferences. For the record, I have a 2009 Soma DoubleCross in the garage that I love. I chose it over the Surly CrossCheck for several reasons (irrelevant to the discussion, but relevant to the underlying inference of Surly bias). I chose my 2008 KM over the Juice for several reasons (ETT too short and ST too short, not a dislike for the Juice). Both fit what I wanted in a bike better than the other options.

    I will also say that (I suspect the remarks were in jest) buying a bike doesn't 'make' someone better, training and mindset do. I can walk into my LBS and buy a Trek Madone, but I won't walk out Lance Armstrong
    I read at least 3 or 4 reviews of KM's in bike mags. Every one of them commented on the harshness of the ride. One went as far as saying "it did not feel like a steel bike" or something to that effect. Similar things have been said about the KM fork too. So no generalization, just pointing out what others have said. My experiences are the same. It handles nicely, but is too harsh imho. Others agree, some do not. Such is life. So don't get your panties in a bunch. You can do a Google search and read those same reviews for yourself.
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    That is one sweet ride...

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    rides great..set up as a 34x17
    Love the color!. 34x17?, thats no joke. I am running 34x20 on my Juice and my Soukri. The Juice feels flexy running 34x20 to me. How does 34x17 feel to you and how much do you weigh?.
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    34x17 is simply perfect for most applications...I raced it on Short Track this year..current weight 172
    I am not afraid to walk it if the hill is to tall for the gear...I like to pedal and a 20 is simply to short of a gear for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTSHANK View Post
    34x17 is simply perfect for most applications...I raced it on Short Track this year..current weight 172
    I am not afraid to walk it if the hill is to tall for the gear...I like to pedal and a 20 is simply to short of a gear for me
    Thanks for the info. I just moved up from 32x20 and thought it was tough going to 34x20 on the Juice. I weigh 250 and get a fair amount of bb flex when climbing on the Soma. The Soukri is stiffer in the bb and 34x20 has been much better. 34x17 is something for me to work towards. Especially after seeing how much faster 34x20 is than 32x20.
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    34x17: That's a MAN's gearing

    Quote Originally Posted by MTSHANK View Post
    34x17 is simply perfect for most applications...I raced it on Short Track this year..current weight 172
    I am not afraid to walk it if the hill is to tall for the gear...I like to pedal and a 20 is simply to short of a gear for me
    Where do you ride? I'm in the piedmont of NC (Charlotte),and that is considered a really tall gear, even for this area. I'm riding 32x18 on my Juice; that and 32x19 are the most common that I see in this area.
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    Looks like they redesigned the Juice or something? I dont see the head tube gusset.
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    Wait nevermind... Now I saw that you said it was a Juice that you repainted.
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    34:17 is TALL!
    don't like walkin'
    33:18/19 for me
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    Sub 20 lb Juice build

    Meltingfeather, that is a reality nice build; amazing to have a sub 20 lb steel frame bike. Mine tilts the scale at 26, but I did build it for a 210 clyde
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    Sweet Juice....

    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    34:17 is TALL!
    don't like walkin'
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    sub-20 lb. juice pr0n:

    What does a sub 20lb bike feel like on the trails and when climbing?. Does it bounce around more while descending at speed on techy terrain?. I cannot even imagine a bike that light!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KitJ BBQman View Post
    Meltingfeather, that is a reality nice build; amazing to have a sub 20 lb steel frame bike. Mine tilts the scale at 26, but I did build it for a 210 clyde
    Thanks
    I weigh 210... and it feels plenty solid... she's a blast to ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edouble View Post
    What does a sub 20lb bike feel like on the trails and when climbing?. Does it bounce around more while descending at speed on techy terrain?. I cannot even imagine a bike that light!.
    thanks... it feels great... just goes where i want her to.. confidently.
    i don't feel like it's jittery at all, but i did move from ~740(+)g tires (Geax AKAs & Bontrager XDX TLR) to the 530g Stan's Raven 2.2s and it feels a bit easier to move around (picked up a few psi to keep the same feel). The Stan's tires grip surprisingly well for not having much tread. I have always liked small-knob tires, and our climate is drought punctuated by flash flooding... so i don't do any wet riding to speak of unless it happens to be on a race day and i can't avoid it. mostly rocky and gravel-over-hardpack central texas xc with short, steep climbing and roots and sand as you head east.
    Getting to sub-20 surprised me too. I'm not a super weight weenie, but I like nice parts. The tires made the difference. All the other parts I feel are worthy (yes, even 355s under a SSmasher clyde... that's the second wheelset those rims have been in and I built the first set about two years ago). It's kind of scary to think I could drop 2.5-3 lbs. out of the frame.
    I know we've got some 'monkey fans here... I just didn't like it personally and the Juice is the best riding steel HT I've been on. Different strokes, I guess.
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    nice build..mine was that color until I had to do some filet brazing on the seat stays...

    the orange turned out great and it's a blast to ride
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTSHANK View Post
    the orange turned out great and it's a blast to ride
    agreed... the one-off/custom appeal is nice too.
    i dig the badge as well... i almost got the new adhesive badge for mine, but just never pulled the trigger.
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    Thanks for the info....

    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    thanks... it feels great... just goes where i want her to.. confidently.
    i don't feel like it's jittery at all, but i did move from ~740(+)g tires (Geax AKAs & Bontrager XDX TLR) to the 530g Stan's Raven 2.2s and it feels a bit easier to move around (picked up a few psi to keep the same feel). The Stan's tires grip surprisingly well for not having much tread. I have always liked small-knob tires, and our climate is drought punctuated by flash flooding... so i don't do any wet riding to speak of unless it happens to be on a race day and i can't avoid it. mostly rocky and gravel-over-hardpack central texas xc with short, steep climbing and roots and sand as you head east.
    Getting to sub-20 surprised me too. I'm not a super weight weenie, but I like nice parts. The tires made the difference. All the other parts I feel are worthy (yes, even 355s under a SSmasher clyde... that's the second wheelset those rims have been in and I built the first set about two years ago). It's kind of scary to think I could drop 2.5-3 lbs. out of the frame.
    I know we've got some 'monkey fans here... I just didn't like it personally and the Juice is the best riding steel HT I've been on. Different strokes, I guess.
    It sounds like it rides like a Juice!, lol. One thing that always amazed me about the Juice is how smooth it rides. I remember a thread where the ride was compared favorably to the Niner M.C.R. by several posters that had owned both. Also, it tracks so well on steep climbs. The front does not wander at all and its so controlled going down. Minus 4lbs and that is one hell of a bike. Mine is about 23.5 lbs. A lot of bike for the money imho. Yes there are some KM fans here as there should be. I say more power to them. If they like the KM then good for them. If everyone liked and rode the same bike this would be one boring forum!, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KitJ BBQman View Post
    Where do you ride? I'm in the piedmont of NC (Charlotte),and that is considered a really tall gear, even for this area. I'm riding 32x18 on my Juice; that and 32x19 are the most common that I see in this area.
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    actually the gearing is 34x16...just checked, it's funny how you forget things
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    Love that green - I have a grey one (which actually has some purplish tones to it), getting tempted to build a second Juice looking at these photos.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm Juice w/ WB Carbon

    It's been awhile since I have ridden this but here's mine.
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    So, if you are not riding this beautiful specimen of a bike, what are you riding?
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    More Bling on the Juice

    I added a little more bling to the Juice with some gold braided hydro hoses and a gold chain.

    **edit** I guess I still haven't posted enough to be able to post pix
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    *this is a filler post so I can post pix*
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    Now I can Post Pix!

    Just a little bling added with gold braided hydro hoses and gold chain.
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    I have been in limbo cuz of trail running lately. Plus I have a stable of so many bikes, with so little time. My main ride is the Giant NRS3, oldie but goodie!

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    I am in the process of building a Juice SS and have ran into an issue mounting my Avid brake caliper. Not matter which Avid adapter I try it just will not line up with the rotor.

    Anyone else have this issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by azbeersnob View Post
    I am in the process of building a Juice SS and have ran into an issue mounting my Avid brake caliper. Not matter which Avid adapter I try it just will not line up with the rotor.

    Anyone else have this issue?

    Jeff
    Not on my (former) Juice, but on a couple of other frames I've used presta valve nuts as spacers to get the caliper in the range of the alignment flexibility.
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    I really need a better pic of my Juice

    It doesn't really glow angelically, but it does ride pretty nicely:



    It's the new for this year 22" size.

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    on the rear?
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    Quote Originally Posted by azbeersnob View Post
    I am in the process of building a Juice SS and have ran into an issue mounting my Avid brake caliper. Not matter which Avid adapter I try it just will not line up with the rotor.

    Anyone else have this issue?

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    Jeff, I just built up a new wheel for my Juice, old is SS, new is geared, and I didn't even have to adjust the caliper for the new one. However, I am running Hayes Strokers, so maybe a difference there. There is a slight possibility that your specific frame may have a defect in the positioning of the caliper mounts. I think I read on here one poster had issues with weld bead filling the slot in the shifter cable stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azbeersnob View Post
    I am in the process of building a Juice SS and have ran into an issue mounting my Avid brake caliper. Not matter which Avid adapter I try it just will not line up with the rotor.

    Anyone else have this issue?

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    Hey Jeff,
    Can you expand a bit? Is the caliper not able to reach the rotor (horizontally)? Or, just can't seem to line up vertically? Are the mounting tabs on the frame straight? Like meltingfeather said; I too, had to get creative with spacers on an older Juice. My most recent model has been flawless.

    Here to help,

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    Figured out the issue with the rear brake not mounting correctly...don't try and use a front brake adapter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azbeersnob View Post
    Figured out the issue with the rear brake not mounting correctly...don't try and use a front brake adapter.

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    lol
    Glad you got it figured out.
    At least it's an easy fix
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    Finally got it all together and got a ride in on it. The bike felt great:
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    Quote Originally Posted by azbeersnob View Post
    Figured out the issue with the rear brake not mounting correctly...don't try and use a front brake adapter.

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    Doh! Fixes are the best. Glad you got sorted.

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    For those of you with the new frame, how do you like the new dropouts? Do they move on you at all? After having my 20" XL for over a year now, I feel like going up a size would fit me better and I do have my rear wheel slide on the dropouts at times since I run it geared. If the feedback is good, I'll probably be selling off this XL frame and moving up.

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    nice! my first real SS was a SOMA 4one5 - I loved that thing

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    Mine have been creak- and slip-free so far. I'm starting to be forced to revise my negative opinion of sliders....

    Quote Originally Posted by ajdemo76 View Post
    For those of you with the new frame, how do you like the new dropouts? Do they move on you at all? After having my 20" XL for over a year now, I feel like going up a size would fit me better and I do have my rear wheel slide on the dropouts at times since I run it geared. If the feedback is good, I'll probably be selling off this XL frame and moving up.

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    Built this past May. I am thinking of making this a 1x9 setup for this fall/winter but can't decide on a chain guide (no bash ring as I hope my HBC ring will be in soon). Any suggestions???
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    NEW Soma Juice Build

    Dude, that is awesome looking!!! I am envious of the new frame with slider dropouts. If you want to go 1x9, then I'll buy this frame for my SS version of "The Green Hornet" As for the chain guide, go with a Paul's; it is the most minimalist with out a bash guard.
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    The apple green Juice looks great. I'm researching for a build and I love the Soma.
    Thanks for the pics, it makes my decision a lot easier.

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    What size are you guys riding for how tall you are? I'm 5'9 with longer legs but I'm worried about a long top tube
    There's something about those long grueling climbs that gets my front end all stiff... And I'm not talking about lockout...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikoraa View Post
    What size are you guys riding for how tall you are? I'm 5'9 with longer legs but I'm worried about a long top tube
    I'm 5'9" with short legs and rode an 18" (SOMA size Large). It fit me great. With your build, I'd say an 18" with some seatpost exposed is the way to go. I would think that the XL 20" would be too long for a 5'9" person.
    Enjoy the ride!

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    I have a short torso. The tt worries me. I ride an 18" trance and it feels crammed. A 17.5 felt elite and it feels perfect. I guess the soma would be closer to the felt in geo since my trance is so slack. The felt also had a 90 or 100mm stem so I have room to shorten the soma. Pretty sure I would have a dangerous amount of Seatpost exposed if I went 16.
    There's something about those long grueling climbs that gets my front end all stiff... And I'm not talking about lockout...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajdemo76 View Post
    For those of you with the new frame, how do you like the new dropouts? Do they move on you at all? After having my 20" XL for over a year now, I feel like going up a size would fit me better and I do have my rear wheel slide on the dropouts at times since I run it geared. If the feedback is good, I'll probably be selling off this XL frame and moving up.
    Better hurry....there arent many of the 22" frames left in the green. For 2013 they got rid of the drop top tube (which I think is one of the biggest differentiators of the bike) and the candy apple green color. My 22" frame showed up yesterday along with all of my parts from various online suppliers. Dropping off at LBS later today for "the build." Details and pics tomorrow, I hope! My wife asked me if I was going to sleep with the frame last night...lol.

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    Just called my lbs today. Out of 12 models. 2013 models come with a straight top tube and a half shorter inch seat tube per size. Also the color is a raw nickle. Still looks ****ing sweet! Won't be shipping till late December. I'll be buying one in January.
    There's something about those long grueling climbs that gets my front end all stiff... And I'm not talking about lockout...

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    There's something about those long grueling climbs that gets my front end all stiff... And I'm not talking about lockout...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikoraa View Post
    Green looks better. :-)

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