• 12-16-2012
    vizsladog
    So i sold my F/S 29er and got this....
    They are really that good.....feels exactly like an in between wheel.


    Size medium Nickel 5inch travel from S/C for $600.00 on thier website.

    Fork..xfusion velvet 26/650b fork 140mm
    Wheels.. Stans flow ex 650b with 3.30 hubs
    Tires...Maxxis Ardent 27.5x2.25 front
    Crossmark 27.5x2.10 rear
    Bars...truvativ t30 flat 700mm
    Stem...fsa 80mm
    Cranks... X9 with north shore billett 104/64 bcd 2x10
    Chainrings...22t 36t
    Brakes...magura louise bat 180mm f 160mm rear
    Front/rear derailure...sram x9
    Shifters...sram x9
    cassette...pg1070 11-36


    tons of room in the rear with shock bottomed out

    weighs 28lbs flat




  • 12-16-2012
    t0pcat
    Looks sharp! Any clearance problems? Hows it ride compared to the 29?
  • 12-16-2012
    06DODGECTD
    What modifications were necessary to make it a 650B? Did you have to change the shock or add anything special? I'm considering buying one of those frames and doing the same thing. How do you like the ride of that bike?
  • 12-16-2012
    vizsladog
    Nope. Nickels fit 650b rear with no mods whatsoever. The frames are on closeout for 600.00 new.

    No clearance problems at all. With the shock bottomed there was a ton of room left. I have heard the reaaly big 650 tires leave just a few mm's clearance.

    ir rides fantastic. really....the travel feels bottomless.
    And the x fusion fork is awesome....

    650 is the real deal. and before anyone starts with the tire is only an inch taller mess my front measured at 27.7 and the rear was right at 27.5 tall.
  • 12-16-2012
    06DODGECTD
    Awesome! I'm eager to try it out at the given price point. You have a really nice looking ride! Hopefully I can convince the wife I need another bike...
  • 12-16-2012
    skidad
    Quote:

    650 is the real deal. and before anyone starts with the tire is only an inch taller mess my front measured at 27.7 and the rear was right at 27.5 tall.
    ....and the new 650B Schwalbe Nobby Nick 2.35" is close to 28" tall
  • 12-16-2012
    Sheepo5669
    A 26in wheel with a nice sized tire wouldn't be more fun than a 650 with a small tire?
  • 12-16-2012
    richulr
    How much total?
  • 12-16-2012
    vizsladog
    Thanks!!!
  • 12-16-2012
    SCFast
    Shouldn't this go 2 doors down?
  • 12-17-2012
    simenf
    Nice that you found the bike that ticks all the right boxes. Looks good!
  • 12-17-2012
    gridtalker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    They are really that good.....feels exactly like an in between wheel.
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    Size medium Nickel 5inch travel from S/C for $600.00 on thier website.

    Fork..xfusion velvet 26/650b fork 140mm
    Wheels.. Stans flow ex 650b with 3.30 hubs
    Tires...Maxxis Ardent 27.5x2.25 front
    Crossmark 27.5x2.10 rear
    Bars...truvativ t30 flat 700mm
    Stem...fsa 80mm
    Cranks... X9 with north shore billett 104/64 bcd 2x10
    Chainrings...22t 36t
    Brakes...magura louise bat 180mm f 160mm rear
    Front/rear derailure...sram x9
    Shifters...sram x9
    cassette...pg1070 11-36


    tons of room in the rear with shock bottomed out

    weighs 28lbs flat





    Looks great i love it
  • 12-17-2012
    PAmtbiker
    Looks sick. 650B would be cool to try for an Enduro bike I think. Also, I just got a X-fusion Slide 29 for my Epic. I'm looking forward to riding it. Glad you like your Velvet!
  • 12-17-2012
    DirtyHank
    I like your build! I'd be very happy with that too!

    Looks Great!

    Hank :thumbsup:
  • 12-17-2012
    mavtek
    You don't happen to know if this will work on the Heckler 6.1 do you?
  • 12-17-2012
    vizsladog
    Think the hecklers are also able to go no prob.

    Also thanks for the negitive rep for "posting 650b in 29er section"

    just trying to give some insight from a guy who has been on 3 different 29ers the last 4-5 years.
  • 12-17-2012
    Sheepo5669
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    Think the hecklers are also able to go no prob.

    Also thanks for the negitive rep for "posting 650b in 29er section"

    just trying to give some insight from a guy who has been on 3 different 29ers the last 4-5 years.

    It's interesting how quick people who hang out in the 29er forums are to dish out neg rep.
  • 12-17-2012
    mavtek
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    Think the hecklers are also able to go no prob.

    Also thanks for the negitive rep for "posting 650b in 29er section"

    just trying to give some insight from a guy who has been on 3 different 29ers the last 4-5 years.

    Well thanks for the input, it wasn't me, I'll give you positive rep.
  • 12-17-2012
    vizsladog
    oh no...i didnt think it was.
  • 12-17-2012
    morphosity
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    Think the hecklers are also able to go no prob.

    Also thanks for the negitive rep for "posting 650b in 29er section"

    just trying to give some insight from a guy who has been on 3 different 29ers the last 4-5 years.

    Just out of interest, which 3 different 29 ers did you have? I'm liking the red, it looks sharp :thumbsup:
  • 12-18-2012
    drz400sm
    Negative rep? What the heck is that? I thought these forums are for guys like us to speak freely sbout our personal opinions. If you disagree, then post a reply in the thread. guys who leave neg rep on here, are probably the same guys who leave negative feedback on ebay before even contacting the seller. Everything can be resolved with communication. Sorry for ranting..I deal with that kinda stuff everyday.. Doesn't seem fair.

    Regardless, thumbs up on the new build. Most of us 29ers still enjoy the smaller wheels and/or plan on building a 650b. Its a good wheel size. I see it in my near future. Thanks for sharing it...Any idea of the total weight?
  • 12-18-2012
    JACKL
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    Think the hecklers are also able to go no prob.

    Also thanks for the negitive rep for "posting 650b in 29er section"

    just trying to give some insight from a guy who has been on 3 different 29ers the last 4-5 years.

    I plus repped ya....mainly for the juicy bike porn.
  • 12-18-2012
    Buddy Shagmore
    Looks great! Enjoy!
  • 12-18-2012
    vizsladog
    Thanks everyone.

    It weighs 28lbs flat on the nose. I went with flows but with crests and rocket rons youd drop almost 2lbs.and almost another pound if you went 1x10 or new xx1

    I had a felt hardtail, a performance acsess a khs flagstaff and was on an epic for a bit.

    ridden ALOT of 29ers and i can for sure say FOR ME i prefer the 27.5. it just feels right, VERY flickable,still have great rollover and it picks the front very easy.
  • 12-18-2012
    SCFast
    Although i do agree that this in the wrong forum giving you negative rep for posting here does not sound right to me.
    Seems like you made the right call with the 27.5 for a long travel bike and your "style". Though i love my superlight29 if i build a 130mm+ bike 650b is where i will most likely end up also.
    Have fun on the trails!
  • 12-19-2012
    Tkul
    how tall are you (and weight)?
    thnkx!

    PS - nice colors! really like the white & red :thumbsup:
  • 12-19-2012
    jeff
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sheepo5669 View Post
    It's interesting how quick people who hang out in the 29er forums are to dish out neg rep.

    It's usually those that drank the Koolaid just this year...:rolleyes:
  • 12-19-2012
    jochribs
    Visladog...

    You just got positive rep from me just to offset the negative.

    On a slight rant, I think this 'rep' system is BS and absolutely prone to abuse. I only leave positive rep to say thanks to people, and would never leave negative rep. It just comes off as immature and cowardly. To top it off, I really think that if negative rep is a feature that is able to used, there should absolutely be a requirement to leave your screen name and a valid reason for giving it, or it isn't able to be processed. Bet that would cut down on the folks who use it anonymously to satisfy there inability to deal with others.

    Bet I'm gonna get slayed for saying that, but oh well.

    And back on topic, that bike is rad Visladog. And nice Visla too!!!
  • 12-19-2012
    skidad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jochribs View Post
    Visladog...

    You just got positive rep from me just to offset the negative.

    On a slight rant, I think this 'rep' system is BS and absolutely prone to abuse. I only leave positive rep to say thanks to people, and would never leave negative rep. It just comes off as immature and cowardly. To top it off, I really think that if negative rep is a feature that is able to used, there should absolutely be a requirement to leave your screen name and a valid reason for giving it, or it isn't able to be processed. Bet that would cut down on the folks who use it anonymously to satisfy there inability to deal with others.

    Bet I'm gonna get slayed for saying that, but oh well.

    And back on topic, that bike is rad Visladog. And nice Visla too!!!

    X2 with this and completely agree...and another rep for Visladog for being "open minded" about wheel sizes.

    Also explain to me how some people with minimal posts have huge rep #'s? I'm waving the BS flag on that. I've only neg. repped 1 person ever (David Copperfield) and that guy totoally deserved it as he trolls so many forums. Yes, I left my screen name as SHOULD be required!!!
  • 12-19-2012
    vizsladog
    Thanks everyone.

    I am 5 9 178lbs. in average mtbr shape (meaning i have a family and ride once or twice a week) it's actually a little heavier than my 29er i sold but it was 1x10 with crest wheels and racing ralphs.

    I could have gotten a crest wheelset but i decided to get the flows because i figured they would handle rocks and roots better. i always felt there was a bit of flex in the 29er crests.

    Im not a jumper but im also not a 145lb xc racer
  • 12-19-2012
    metalaficionado
    Thanks for sharing. I love my 29er HT for XC but for all mountain I am really thinking about a FS 27.5er addition. I really think that would be most ideal set of bikes to have.

    29er HT XC and 27.5er FS MTN/TRAIL.
  • 12-19-2012
    vizsladog
    You know...i was thinking the same thing.
  • 12-19-2012
    BamaCyclist
    What is your BB height? I'm considering building one of these, but am worried the BB may be a bit high, so I'm also considering a Blur XC.
  • 12-19-2012
    r1Gel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    weighs 28lbs flat

    Wow, awesome weight. I thought the Nickel was quite portly. Good build there :cool:

    P.S.
    What BB height did you end up with?
  • 12-20-2012
    Tkul
    side note:

    In general I see everyone worried/asking about BB* height, and HA**, but bike handling is not driven only by this figures.

    For the "normal Jo", that don't live to race, BB height must be different from bike to bike (longer travel bikes using more sag, should have more BB height).
    BB height is influenced by tire height, so BB drop is a "more correct" dimension.

    If bikes are used on more slick trails, where you don't find rocks and roots, a bigger BB drop is always welcome (Trail centers in UK for ex.).
    But for those who live and ride on natural, rocky hardcore trails, a lower BB drop or even a negative BB drop, is something to have in mind.

    Regarding the conversion from 26 to 650 and BB height, you basically have to add half the diference between diameters, and add to the Original Geo Data...

    Ex:
    Original 26´ - BB height: 340mm
    Original 26´Diameter: 673mm

    275/650B tire diameter: 698mm

    698mm - 673 mm = 25 mm
    36mm / 2 = 12.5 mm

    Actual BB height with 275/650B = 340mm + 12.5 mm = 352.5 mm



    Tire Dimensions | Schwalbe North America

    PS: Don't take me wrong, but I think riders should look (see videos) how they corner, how they have the arms and body position --> this will improve more than a mere mms drop on the BB.
  • 12-20-2012
    Tkul
    vizsladog,

    It could be just me, but while ridding 29ers I feel like seating IN the bike, and 26er, I feel seating ON the bike.
    If this is the same to you, how you would describe the sensation on your 650B conversion?
  • 12-20-2012
    zephxiii
    Yep i've pretty much made up my mind on going 650B for FS too :)

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tkul View Post
    vizsladog,

    It could be just me, but while ridding 29ers I feel like seating IN the bike, and 26er, I feel seating ON the bike.
    If this is the same to you, how you would describe the sensation on your 650B conversion?

    Hmm i thought i felt more IN the bike when i got on my 26er after demoing 3 dif 29ers. This may be the difference from feeling the bigger hoops on the 29er though. All subjective of course :)
  • 12-20-2012
    vizsladog
    The BB height is 13 3/4 to center of bb.

    On the nickel i feel kinda just right. Not really in it or on top of it.On myb last 29er i felt on top of it...

    And if i ever go back to florida im making it a 1x10 with rocket ron tires.

    That will drop almost 2 lbs

    The nickel frame weighed just under 7lbs so it was on the heavy side.
  • 12-20-2012
    r1Gel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tkul View Post
    side note:

    I myself already know that 26er to 650B conversion only requires subtraction of approximately 13 mm to the BB drop. But I'm a lazy bastard and don't want to have to dig up tire/wheel diameters and BB drop/height numbers for the frames in question.

    Still, thanks for sharing :)