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    Show me your Milk Money

    I am strongly considering or lusting after a Lenz Milk Money... Entice me

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    Milkmoney sweetness!

    Here is my Milkmoney v2.0. I swapped out a Reba Team for a Fox TALAS. Not that the reba was bad in any way, I just wanted the ability to lower the front end during long technical climbs. You will hear this over and over but this bike is just FUN

    Pedaling is efficient even with the RP23 open (no propedal) with my 32x20 setup. I really only use propedal for long forrest/fire road climbs. The rear end is stiff as hell (coming from a version 1 RIP 9). The headtube angle is slack enough to attach steep techy descents but not so slack that its lumbering and slow.

    As shown my MM weighs around 25-26lbs. You could certainly lighten it up further by swapping out the brooks saddle, etc but I am perfectly happy with it as is. Super fun bike and I highly recommend it!!!!
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    looks really fun! I'd love to pick up a used Milk Money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elgordo
    Here is my Milkmoney v2.0. I swapped out a Reba Team for a Fox TALAS. Not that the reba was bad in any way, I just wanted the ability to lower the front end during long technical climbs. You will hear this over and over but this bike is just FUN

    Pedaling is efficient even with the RP23 open (no propedal) with my 32x20 setup. I really only use propedal for long forrest/fire road climbs. The rear end is stiff as hell (coming from a version 1 RIP 9). The headtube angle is slack enough to attach steep techy descents but not so slack that its lumbering and slow.

    As shown my MM weighs around 25-26lbs. You could certainly lighten it up further by swapping out the brooks saddle, etc but I am perfectly happy with it as is. Super fun bike and I highly recommend it!!!!
    what handlebars do you have on the bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polishdog
    what handlebars do you have on the bike?
    Groovy Luv Handles
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polishdog
    what handlebars do you have on the bike?
    Those are Groovy Cycles' TI Luv bars. Awesome bar. 21 deg. sweep 27" wide.

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    Here's mine. Has become pretty much my go to bike for most days. Pretty standard build - no idea what it weighs in at, but smiles per mile meter is always pegged.
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    Here is mine- XXL with Luv Handles in raw steel.
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    D3DO,

    You took the drop bars off. I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart - that was the morally correct thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    D3DO,

    You took the drop bars off. I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart - that was the morally correct thing to do.
    LOL.Thanks for your support brother. I loved it, but my back did not. It was quite ugly, just to help here is another pic.
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    Yup. As foul as I remembered it to be. Thank you very little.
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    Probably the funnest most versatile bike I have ever owned. Comfortable in all sorts of terrain, and a hoot to ride.














    Not recommended riding style for this frame...
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    Thank you very little.
    You are quite welcome!

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    i never rode one but i love those lenz, they look fun...i wonder why there is no manufacturer thread for this company, they should have one!

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    travel bike

    I am looking to do the same. what size frame? Do you getthe wheels in there too? Is that a standard S&S case?

    thanks

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    Probably the funnest most versatile bike I have ever owned. Comfortable in all sorts of terrain, and a hoot to ride.






    Not recommended riding style for this frame...

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    Better yet, how about "Give me your milk money"




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    Quote Originally Posted by dtheo
    I am looking to do the same. what size frame? Do you getthe wheels in there too? Is that a standard S&S case?

    thanks
    It's just a big suitcase. Size Large Frame. Wheels had to go in a separate box. It might fit in an S&S case, but they are expensive.
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Any green one's out there?

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    Threefer, but the requested green one isn't mine, it's Mikesee's, I just happened to have a pic on my computer since I was geeking for mine before it shipped

    Snow Camo's a customers ride.....

    Get one, as stated ad nauseum, by far the biggest fun factor bike I own, bar none.
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    '3 O'Clock High?' Pimpride definitely gets the award for most obscure 80s movie reference in mtbr history!

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    Here's my old Milk Money.

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    And here's an old pic from Mikesee that started my lust for one.

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    Good golly I heart these bikes...wish they made a fat kid approved version with burlier stays.
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    Anyone using the MM with a Rohloff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Threefer, but the requested green one isn't mine, it's Mikesee's, I just happened to have a pic on my computer since I was geeking for mine before it shipped

    Snow Camo's a customers ride.....

    Get one, as stated ad nauseum, by far the biggest fun factor bike I own, bar none.

    Hey, the Green One is mine! I bought it from MikeSee this spring. I'm assuming it is the same one. I LOVE it and is my favorite bike to ride. I haven't changed anything but the grips, seatpost and saddle. Ignore the ugly guy in the picture.
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    Any creaking

    I have been more or less obsessed over this bike, but wondering, anyone got bunches of miles and any creaking out there? A certian hi-mileage person I know says it is hard to keep the BB pivot from making noise. Any info would be great!!! Jefe

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    Quote Originally Posted by wookieone
    I have been more or less obsessed over this bike, but wondering, anyone got bunches of miles and any creaking out there? A certian hi-mileage person I know says it is hard to keep the BB pivot from making noise. Any info would be great!!! Jefe
    The grease fitting is your friend. Don't keep it lubed, and sure, it'll creak.

    No issues with mine, but it's not quite a year old. I don't baby it, it sees all kinds of goo.

    Worth while tip. When greasing it, pump some, spin the whole BB/shell assembly, pump some more, etc, to fully distribute the grease....
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    Quote Originally Posted by wookieone
    I have been more or less obsessed over this bike, but wondering, anyone got bunches of miles and any creaking out there? A certian hi-mileage person I know says it is hard to keep the BB pivot from making noise. Any info would be great!!! Jefe
    I've had no creaking from the bottom bracket but have had creaking to deal with from the hangers. It was recommended (by MendonCycleSmith, I think) to use carbon paste and that seems to help. The other thing has been to tighten the bolts down significantly. As far as the bottom bracket, I keep it lubed - there is a nice zirk fitting. I hit it about every month or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wookieone
    I have been more or less obsessed over this bike, but wondering, anyone got bunches of miles and any creaking out there? A certian hi-mileage person I know says it is hard to keep the BB pivot from making noise. Any info would be great!!! Jefe
    Jefe-

    Ya gotta consider the source. DH doesn't exactly stay on top of maintenance. Not sure he even knows what the word means...!

    I couldn't stand how creaky his MM was last time I was down there--I broke down and did the clean/lube for him it was bugging me so bad. He looked on in wonder as I wrenched--I'm not sure if he couldn't believe I was fixing his bike for him, or if he was shocked that it was possible to do *any* maintenance on a bike...

    I've got a size L MM built up right now. If you come to down to GJ this fall you're welcome to ride it.

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    Best thread ever. I have tears in my eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Snow Camo's a customers ride.....:
    I really like the Hammerschmidt x1. It seems to make a lot of sense. I would think you'd get a lot of bobbing when you stand and crank a FS singlespeed up a steap incline. The H+1 would give you a sit and spin gear to get you up the hills and nice medium gear for cranking out the flats.

    What kind of feedback have you gotten on this H+1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsdc
    What kind of feedback have you gotten on this H+1?
    He came off a 32/19, and had some trouble out of the gate, figuring out the gearing. Sram doesn't make it very cut and dry as to relative gearing conversions. I spoke with them twice, and just got stuttery engineer answers about ratios and inches and reduction factors. I simply wanted a good guess as to what cog he ought to run to get close to his previous set up.

    We ended up just buying 19-22, and he's settled on the 20. I guess it's still slightly off, but he's adapted to it, and loves the thing to death at this point.

    The MM is pretty efficient actually. It's only 3 inches, and the rate is a pretty steep climbing one. It ramps up hard in the last 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch, and if you sag in 1/2 inch or so, you're only working with a small amount of travel to *wallow* in whilst climbing.

    Flip the PP on, and it's a non issue. Open, it creates a small amount of motion, but even under hard climbing, since it's so short travel, it doesn't bug you. I think most owners would agree.

    Also, I've had nothing but trouble with the RP23 it came with. I put a RS Monarch 4.2 on, huge improvement. Much more supple in lock out mode blow through, kinda like the Progressive 5th's of old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    He came off a 32/19, and had some trouble out of the gate, figuring out the gearing. Sram doesn't make it very cut and dry as to relative gearing conversions. I spoke with them twice, and just got stuttery engineer answers about ratios and inches and reduction factors. I simply wanted a good guess as to what cog he ought to run to get close to his previous set up.

    We ended up just buying 19-22, and he's settled on the 20. I guess it's still slightly off, but he's adapted to it, and loves the thing to death at this point.

    The MM is pretty efficient actually. It's only 3 inches, and the rate is a pretty steep climbing one. It ramps up hard in the last 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch, and if you sag in 1/2 inch or so, you're only working with a small amount of travel to *wallow* in whilst climbing.

    Flip the PP on, and it's a non issue. Open, it creates a small amount of motion, but even under hard climbing, since it's so short travel, it doesn't bug you. I think most owners would agree.

    Also, I've had nothing but trouble with the RP23 it came with. I put a RS Monarch 4.2 on, huge improvement. Much more supple in lock out mode blow through, kinda like the Progressive 5th's of old.

    hey Mendon......what are some of the weights for a complete build on the MM?

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    MendonCS, thanks for your posts -- very helpful info for an aspiring MM owner. When you say that bob is a non-issue with propedal on, do you mean even when standing and cranking up a hill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uknathank
    MendonCS, thanks for your posts -- very helpful info for an aspiring MM owner. When you say that bob is a non-issue with propedal on, do you mean even when standing and cranking up a hill?
    Well, all I can truly say is, it's not a problem for me, or anyone else I know that rides it, or owns one.

    For you? It may be different. If you like a hardtail solid ride, don't buy a FS bike in the first place.

    IMO, bikes that are that solid under any pedaling force, come up short in other handling characteristics, ones which I really like, such as small bump performance, and the ability to consume a log or rock under me as I climb, rather than ping pong off of it.

    No right or wrong, just preference. Does it move a bit? Sure. Do I notice it? Not really. Is it enough to even make me consider not loving it? No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Slo4U
    hey Mendon......what are some of the weights for a complete build on the MM?
    Mine's 24 and change. The Sno Camo one is several lbs heavier, but it has cheapo wheels, the Hammerschmidt etc.

    Not too sure on Elgordo's, you get that thing weighed yet Gordy?
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    Wow this thread has got me wanting one of these in a bad way, got to sell my 2010 Stumpy FSR first.

    I thought I saw one with gears, I thought this was a dedicated SS no?

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    Hey MCS, can you send the details of that 21lb build?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccornacc
    Hey MCS, can you send the details of that 21lb build?
    Oops, good catch! I gotta pay more attention to my fingers in the morning

    24 and change is what I meant to say......
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    Quote Originally Posted by dozerdog
    I thought I saw one with gears, I thought this was a dedicated SS no?
    It comes without cable housing stops, but you can zip tie full length housing easily enough, which is great to keep in mind, since you can swap out the drive side drop out for one with a derailleur hanger.

    Elgordo was discussing putting an Alfine on his, nice idea too.....
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    I'm convinced....anyone want to sell their size large frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee

    I couldn't stand how creaky his MM was last time I was down there--I broke down and did the clean/lube for him it was bugging me so bad. He looked on in wonder as I wrenched--I'm not sure if he couldn't believe I was fixing his bike for him, or if he was shocked that it was possible to do *any* maintenance on a bike...



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    so where can i get one of the camo paint jobs? those look sweet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Gager
    so where can i get one of the camo paint jobs? those look sweet!
    Devin does those in house, but they are mad time consuming, so, think big $, but yeah, way cool
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    My MM is in the 21-22lb range. It's a fairly straight forward build......240/Crest wheels, Sworks Fasttrak tires, Reba 100, XTR brakes, RF Turbine Cranks W/Isis BB(103mm track spindle!).

    A card carrying weight weenie could definitely get this thing under 21......maybe even under 20. But...that would be lame. This is a bike that wants to be ridden fast and on the ragged edge of control. The type of tires that would get it that light wouldn't stand up to much.

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    I have built a green, black and gold, Monster Energy/Pro-Circuit/Kawasaki themed Milk Money over and over in my head numerous times. Even have the graphics designed, but have yet to convince my wife that I need to spend $3800 on a new bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kustomz
    I have built a green, black and gold, Monster Energy/Pro-Circuit/Kawasaki themed Milk Money over and over in my head numerous times. Even have the graphics designed, but have yet to convince my wife that I need to spend $3800 on a new bike!
    I can't say I'm a big fan of that idea. Do you really like energy drinks THAT much???:-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Gager
    so where can i get one of the camo paint jobs? those look sweet!
    From what Devin told me my camo job on my PBJ was the last one. Takes him way too much time. He could use the time building instead of painting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey
    I can't say I'm a big fan of that idea. Do you really like energy drinks THAT much???:-)B
    I don't drink them myself, but I do support them by running stickers since they are a huge sponsor of SX and MX, which I am a big fanboy of.

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    [QUOTE=

    Not too sure on Elgordo's, you get that thing weighed yet Gordy?[/QUOTE]

    In single speed mode (as shown above) 25-26lbs

    With nexus 3-speed internally geared rear wheel + shifter = 27 lbs.

    Noting I'm running a Brooks saddle, flows (a requirement), brass nipples and a tomi cog chainring!!! None of those are exceptionally light components and yet the bike is around 25 lbs.

    Not that weight is all that important for recreational riding but there is something nice about the MM if keep to a reasonable weight < 26 lbs. It just seems relatively light weight fits the package of short travel FS. Light, fast and responsive. Great bike!!!!

    I honestly have to be careful because the bike cries to go fast, faster than my skills allow. Love it (did I mention that )

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbpinnacle
    Anyone using the MM with a Rohloff?
    Since no one is chiming in, I will. I don't own an MM but I've been looking at them a bit and I ride a Rohloff drivetrain. I'd heard there'd been some squeaking issues but learned that not everyone was having it and it may be something cured with proper lubing as mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

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