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    Show me your Milk Money

    I am strongly considering or lusting after a Lenz Milk Money... Entice me

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    Milkmoney sweetness!

    Here is my Milkmoney v2.0. I swapped out a Reba Team for a Fox TALAS. Not that the reba was bad in any way, I just wanted the ability to lower the front end during long technical climbs. You will hear this over and over but this bike is just FUN

    Pedaling is efficient even with the RP23 open (no propedal) with my 32x20 setup. I really only use propedal for long forrest/fire road climbs. The rear end is stiff as hell (coming from a version 1 RIP 9). The headtube angle is slack enough to attach steep techy descents but not so slack that its lumbering and slow.

    As shown my MM weighs around 25-26lbs. You could certainly lighten it up further by swapping out the brooks saddle, etc but I am perfectly happy with it as is. Super fun bike and I highly recommend it!!!!
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    looks really fun! I'd love to pick up a used Milk Money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elgordo
    Here is my Milkmoney v2.0. I swapped out a Reba Team for a Fox TALAS. Not that the reba was bad in any way, I just wanted the ability to lower the front end during long technical climbs. You will hear this over and over but this bike is just FUN

    Pedaling is efficient even with the RP23 open (no propedal) with my 32x20 setup. I really only use propedal for long forrest/fire road climbs. The rear end is stiff as hell (coming from a version 1 RIP 9). The headtube angle is slack enough to attach steep techy descents but not so slack that its lumbering and slow.

    As shown my MM weighs around 25-26lbs. You could certainly lighten it up further by swapping out the brooks saddle, etc but I am perfectly happy with it as is. Super fun bike and I highly recommend it!!!!
    what handlebars do you have on the bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polishdog
    what handlebars do you have on the bike?
    Groovy Luv Handles
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polishdog
    what handlebars do you have on the bike?
    Those are Groovy Cycles' TI Luv bars. Awesome bar. 21 deg. sweep 27" wide.

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    Here's mine. Has become pretty much my go to bike for most days. Pretty standard build - no idea what it weighs in at, but smiles per mile meter is always pegged.
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    Here is mine- XXL with Luv Handles in raw steel.
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    D3DO,

    You took the drop bars off. I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart - that was the morally correct thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    D3DO,

    You took the drop bars off. I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart - that was the morally correct thing to do.
    LOL.Thanks for your support brother. I loved it, but my back did not. It was quite ugly, just to help here is another pic.
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    Yup. As foul as I remembered it to be. Thank you very little.
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    Probably the funnest most versatile bike I have ever owned. Comfortable in all sorts of terrain, and a hoot to ride.














    Not recommended riding style for this frame...
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    Thank you very little.
    You are quite welcome!

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    i never rode one but i love those lenz, they look fun...i wonder why there is no manufacturer thread for this company, they should have one!

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    travel bike

    I am looking to do the same. what size frame? Do you getthe wheels in there too? Is that a standard S&S case?

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    Probably the funnest most versatile bike I have ever owned. Comfortable in all sorts of terrain, and a hoot to ride.






    Not recommended riding style for this frame...

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    Better yet, how about "Give me your milk money"




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    Quote Originally Posted by dtheo
    I am looking to do the same. what size frame? Do you getthe wheels in there too? Is that a standard S&S case?

    thanks
    It's just a big suitcase. Size Large Frame. Wheels had to go in a separate box. It might fit in an S&S case, but they are expensive.
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Any green one's out there?

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    Threefer, but the requested green one isn't mine, it's Mikesee's, I just happened to have a pic on my computer since I was geeking for mine before it shipped

    Snow Camo's a customers ride.....

    Get one, as stated ad nauseum, by far the biggest fun factor bike I own, bar none.
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    '3 O'Clock High?' Pimpride definitely gets the award for most obscure 80s movie reference in mtbr history!

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    Here's my old Milk Money.

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    And here's an old pic from Mikesee that started my lust for one.

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    Good golly I heart these bikes...wish they made a fat kid approved version with burlier stays.
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    Anyone using the MM with a Rohloff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Threefer, but the requested green one isn't mine, it's Mikesee's, I just happened to have a pic on my computer since I was geeking for mine before it shipped

    Snow Camo's a customers ride.....

    Get one, as stated ad nauseum, by far the biggest fun factor bike I own, bar none.

    Hey, the Green One is mine! I bought it from MikeSee this spring. I'm assuming it is the same one. I LOVE it and is my favorite bike to ride. I haven't changed anything but the grips, seatpost and saddle. Ignore the ugly guy in the picture.
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    Any creaking

    I have been more or less obsessed over this bike, but wondering, anyone got bunches of miles and any creaking out there? A certian hi-mileage person I know says it is hard to keep the BB pivot from making noise. Any info would be great!!! Jefe

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    Quote Originally Posted by wookieone
    I have been more or less obsessed over this bike, but wondering, anyone got bunches of miles and any creaking out there? A certian hi-mileage person I know says it is hard to keep the BB pivot from making noise. Any info would be great!!! Jefe
    The grease fitting is your friend. Don't keep it lubed, and sure, it'll creak.

    No issues with mine, but it's not quite a year old. I don't baby it, it sees all kinds of goo.

    Worth while tip. When greasing it, pump some, spin the whole BB/shell assembly, pump some more, etc, to fully distribute the grease....
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    Quote Originally Posted by wookieone
    I have been more or less obsessed over this bike, but wondering, anyone got bunches of miles and any creaking out there? A certian hi-mileage person I know says it is hard to keep the BB pivot from making noise. Any info would be great!!! Jefe
    I've had no creaking from the bottom bracket but have had creaking to deal with from the hangers. It was recommended (by MendonCycleSmith, I think) to use carbon paste and that seems to help. The other thing has been to tighten the bolts down significantly. As far as the bottom bracket, I keep it lubed - there is a nice zirk fitting. I hit it about every month or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wookieone
    I have been more or less obsessed over this bike, but wondering, anyone got bunches of miles and any creaking out there? A certian hi-mileage person I know says it is hard to keep the BB pivot from making noise. Any info would be great!!! Jefe
    Jefe-

    Ya gotta consider the source. DH doesn't exactly stay on top of maintenance. Not sure he even knows what the word means...!

    I couldn't stand how creaky his MM was last time I was down there--I broke down and did the clean/lube for him it was bugging me so bad. He looked on in wonder as I wrenched--I'm not sure if he couldn't believe I was fixing his bike for him, or if he was shocked that it was possible to do *any* maintenance on a bike...

    I've got a size L MM built up right now. If you come to down to GJ this fall you're welcome to ride it.

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    Best thread ever. I have tears in my eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    Snow Camo's a customers ride.....:
    I really like the Hammerschmidt x1. It seems to make a lot of sense. I would think you'd get a lot of bobbing when you stand and crank a FS singlespeed up a steap incline. The H+1 would give you a sit and spin gear to get you up the hills and nice medium gear for cranking out the flats.

    What kind of feedback have you gotten on this H+1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsdc
    What kind of feedback have you gotten on this H+1?
    He came off a 32/19, and had some trouble out of the gate, figuring out the gearing. Sram doesn't make it very cut and dry as to relative gearing conversions. I spoke with them twice, and just got stuttery engineer answers about ratios and inches and reduction factors. I simply wanted a good guess as to what cog he ought to run to get close to his previous set up.

    We ended up just buying 19-22, and he's settled on the 20. I guess it's still slightly off, but he's adapted to it, and loves the thing to death at this point.

    The MM is pretty efficient actually. It's only 3 inches, and the rate is a pretty steep climbing one. It ramps up hard in the last 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch, and if you sag in 1/2 inch or so, you're only working with a small amount of travel to *wallow* in whilst climbing.

    Flip the PP on, and it's a non issue. Open, it creates a small amount of motion, but even under hard climbing, since it's so short travel, it doesn't bug you. I think most owners would agree.

    Also, I've had nothing but trouble with the RP23 it came with. I put a RS Monarch 4.2 on, huge improvement. Much more supple in lock out mode blow through, kinda like the Progressive 5th's of old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MendonCycleSmith
    He came off a 32/19, and had some trouble out of the gate, figuring out the gearing. Sram doesn't make it very cut and dry as to relative gearing conversions. I spoke with them twice, and just got stuttery engineer answers about ratios and inches and reduction factors. I simply wanted a good guess as to what cog he ought to run to get close to his previous set up.

    We ended up just buying 19-22, and he's settled on the 20. I guess it's still slightly off, but he's adapted to it, and loves the thing to death at this point.

    The MM is pretty efficient actually. It's only 3 inches, and the rate is a pretty steep climbing one. It ramps up hard in the last 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch, and if you sag in 1/2 inch or so, you're only working with a small amount of travel to *wallow* in whilst climbing.

    Flip the PP on, and it's a non issue. Open, it creates a small amount of motion, but even under hard climbing, since it's so short travel, it doesn't bug you. I think most owners would agree.

    Also, I've had nothing but trouble with the RP23 it came with. I put a RS Monarch 4.2 on, huge improvement. Much more supple in lock out mode blow through, kinda like the Progressive 5th's of old.

    hey Mendon......what are some of the weights for a complete build on the MM?

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    MendonCS, thanks for your posts -- very helpful info for an aspiring MM owner. When you say that bob is a non-issue with propedal on, do you mean even when standing and cranking up a hill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uknathank
    MendonCS, thanks for your posts -- very helpful info for an aspiring MM owner. When you say that bob is a non-issue with propedal on, do you mean even when standing and cranking up a hill?
    Well, all I can truly say is, it's not a problem for me, or anyone else I know that rides it, or owns one.

    For you? It may be different. If you like a hardtail solid ride, don't buy a FS bike in the first place.

    IMO, bikes that are that solid under any pedaling force, come up short in other handling characteristics, ones which I really like, such as small bump performance, and the ability to consume a log or rock under me as I climb, rather than ping pong off of it.

    No right or wrong, just preference. Does it move a bit? Sure. Do I notice it? Not really. Is it enough to even make me consider not loving it? No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Slo4U
    hey Mendon......what are some of the weights for a complete build on the MM?
    Mine's 24 and change. The Sno Camo one is several lbs heavier, but it has cheapo wheels, the Hammerschmidt etc.

    Not too sure on Elgordo's, you get that thing weighed yet Gordy?
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    Wow this thread has got me wanting one of these in a bad way, got to sell my 2010 Stumpy FSR first.

    I thought I saw one with gears, I thought this was a dedicated SS no?

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    Hey MCS, can you send the details of that 21lb build?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccornacc
    Hey MCS, can you send the details of that 21lb build?
    Oops, good catch! I gotta pay more attention to my fingers in the morning

    24 and change is what I meant to say......
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    Quote Originally Posted by dozerdog
    I thought I saw one with gears, I thought this was a dedicated SS no?
    It comes without cable housing stops, but you can zip tie full length housing easily enough, which is great to keep in mind, since you can swap out the drive side drop out for one with a derailleur hanger.

    Elgordo was discussing putting an Alfine on his, nice idea too.....
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    I'm convinced....anyone want to sell their size large frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee

    I couldn't stand how creaky his MM was last time I was down there--I broke down and did the clean/lube for him it was bugging me so bad. He looked on in wonder as I wrenched--I'm not sure if he couldn't believe I was fixing his bike for him, or if he was shocked that it was possible to do *any* maintenance on a bike...



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    so where can i get one of the camo paint jobs? those look sweet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Gager
    so where can i get one of the camo paint jobs? those look sweet!
    Devin does those in house, but they are mad time consuming, so, think big $, but yeah, way cool
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    My MM is in the 21-22lb range. It's a fairly straight forward build......240/Crest wheels, Sworks Fasttrak tires, Reba 100, XTR brakes, RF Turbine Cranks W/Isis BB(103mm track spindle!).

    A card carrying weight weenie could definitely get this thing under 21......maybe even under 20. But...that would be lame. This is a bike that wants to be ridden fast and on the ragged edge of control. The type of tires that would get it that light wouldn't stand up to much.

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    I have built a green, black and gold, Monster Energy/Pro-Circuit/Kawasaki themed Milk Money over and over in my head numerous times. Even have the graphics designed, but have yet to convince my wife that I need to spend $3800 on a new bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kustomz
    I have built a green, black and gold, Monster Energy/Pro-Circuit/Kawasaki themed Milk Money over and over in my head numerous times. Even have the graphics designed, but have yet to convince my wife that I need to spend $3800 on a new bike!
    I can't say I'm a big fan of that idea. Do you really like energy drinks THAT much???:-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Gager
    so where can i get one of the camo paint jobs? those look sweet!
    From what Devin told me my camo job on my PBJ was the last one. Takes him way too much time. He could use the time building instead of painting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey
    I can't say I'm a big fan of that idea. Do you really like energy drinks THAT much???:-)B
    I don't drink them myself, but I do support them by running stickers since they are a huge sponsor of SX and MX, which I am a big fanboy of.

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    [QUOTE=

    Not too sure on Elgordo's, you get that thing weighed yet Gordy?[/QUOTE]

    In single speed mode (as shown above) 25-26lbs

    With nexus 3-speed internally geared rear wheel + shifter = 27 lbs.

    Noting I'm running a Brooks saddle, flows (a requirement), brass nipples and a tomi cog chainring!!! None of those are exceptionally light components and yet the bike is around 25 lbs.

    Not that weight is all that important for recreational riding but there is something nice about the MM if keep to a reasonable weight < 26 lbs. It just seems relatively light weight fits the package of short travel FS. Light, fast and responsive. Great bike!!!!

    I honestly have to be careful because the bike cries to go fast, faster than my skills allow. Love it (did I mention that )

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbpinnacle
    Anyone using the MM with a Rohloff?
    Since no one is chiming in, I will. I don't own an MM but I've been looking at them a bit and I ride a Rohloff drivetrain. I'd heard there'd been some squeaking issues but learned that not everyone was having it and it may be something cured with proper lubing as mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

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    First ride on the MM...

    This MM delivers - SMILES

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    Large and NOT 4Sale

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    There is a MM rohloff thread somewhere. It looked super sweet.

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    Devin needs to get Jiggy with an air brush for those camo paint jobs. Would probably cut his time in half for paint. Lay down white backround for whole frame, then shoot greyblobs, then shoot black blobs. Done.

    Any taxidermist that's done fish mounts could blow it out for cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy
    Devin needs to get Jiggy with an air brush for those camo paint jobs. Would probably cut his time in half for paint. Lay down white backround for whole frame, then shoot greyblobs, then shoot black blobs. Done.

    Any taxidermist that's done fish mounts could blow it out for cheap.
    That *is* how he does it. Still takes hours and hours to do it right. Then he still has to clearcoat over it all at the end.

    Getting back on topic, my last (green) MM weighed about 22lbs. Pretty easy to get 'em there with reasonable parts picks. I got mine down to ~21# once, but as Donkey noted, to do that you need stupid light tires and it's pretty easy to kill the tires when railing this bike. 22# is about as light as I care to go. At that weight the bike is a freaking featherlight rocket when climbing, and super capable when descending.

    Which reminds me, I've got a MM in the shop that I haven't even ridden yet. And it's sunday, and it's beautiful out, and...

    ...bubbye.

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    Thanks for the linky

    Quote Originally Posted by sikocycles
    I'm lusting for a Green MM after having my Lev for a few months... I love this bike and the MM looks awesome! Love the green ano!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    Which reminds me, I've got a MM in the shop that I haven't even ridden yet. And it's sunday, and it's beautiful out, and...
    Four inches of travel no doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbpinnacle
    I'm lusting for a Green MM after having my Lev for a few months... I love this bike and the MM looks awesome! Love the green ano!!!
    Same here... would love a SS but not your typical fully rigid set-up most people run... This would be schweet.... and in green too please...
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    I'm thinking hard about building one of these up after the first of the year. Anyone else have one they can show us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky
    I'm thinking hard about building one of these up after the first of the year. Anyone else have one they can show us?
    Yep! I'll have one built up by the end of the week!
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    Why must I always be attracted to the EXPENSIVE things?
    It must be contagious, because my wife has the same fargin disease!
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    So...

    Quote Originally Posted by farmerfrederico
    Yep! I'll have one built up by the end of the week!
    ...I did get it built up by the end of that week. When I picked up the frame from the Golden Bike Shop, Devin Lenz happened to be there, so I got to meet the man himself! Can't wait to try out ski bikes this winter!

    I actually finished building up the bike after parking my truck in one of the lots at the Kokepelli trails near Fruita. Rode for about 15-20 miles and it felt great! Pro-pedal worked great, and the whole bike made me fresh and less beat up afterword.

    Taking it to SoCal with me for Thanksgiving!


    I'll try to post pictures soon.
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    Get those pics posted ASAP! I want to see your new ride. I will show you mine when she gets here. Had to go back to SS. She's gonna be a looker. Those MM's catch my eye every time I see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak View Post
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    As I waste a perfectly good morning revisiting my Milk Money fantasies, I discovered this old thread, and my old post. And while I own neither a MM, nor a Porsche 959...and while Kim still hasn't returned my phone calls...I did manage to get my hands on an OWB. Dreams are slowly but surely coming true in the buddhak household. Now back to those MMs. Any 4.0's care to make an appearance?
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    Just built one up for the wife last weekend.
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    New bike smell hasn't worn off yet, so it's hard to say for sure. But I suspect that this is going to become her go-to bike. Which is nice, because that means I get to sell off her old Ti SS and that piece o' Salsa she never rides either...

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    What a tease! Is that a new version with bearings in the main pivot and whatever other revisions were on the way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn View Post
    What a tease! Is that a new version with bearings in the main pivot and whatever other revisions were on the way?
    I don't think so. The bearing version was 6 months off a year ago, so that means it will be ready in about three more years....maybe
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    Dern you Buddhak!!
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    This bike just kills me. I want one so badly. I think I'm just going to go SS on my Leviathan. I hate derailleurs so much.

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    If anybody is looking for a Milk Money frame, there's one for sale in the classifieds. Link: LenzSport Milk Money full suspension single speed - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories

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    Milkmoney 2.0

    Version 2.0. Tweaked a few things. Still loving this bike!

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    Good lookin' rigs!

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    Finally...

    ...getting around to posting a few pictures of my 3.0 MM with Fox Float 100mm, Kings/Flow and Captain 2.0 out back and Captain 2.2 out front. Used to have the weirwolf's front and back until the were worn down.

    Have fun out there! p.s. I'm starting a thread to see which direction some might go after a bike like this. I'm thinking about selling and buying something new mostly due to changes in my life after the injury, a new geography, and with news that my wife and are expecting a little one in March!

    Pictures below!

    My first ride on it was on More Fun in Fruita - October 2010.



    Riding at Whittier in L.A. on Thanksgiving 2010 with a fellow Mtbr member:



    Riding at Gooseberry Mesa in July 2011 (early in the day before it got too hot). My father in law lives in Springdale, so I look forward to riding here at least a couple of times a year now.



    Here are some shots of it after my ride at Heil Ranch between Lyons and Boulder today.



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    Now that's what I'm talking 'bout gentlemen. Poetic tease, MC. Farmer Fred, I can give that MM of yours a fine home and much flogging when the time comes. And congrats on the pending arrival. We are expecting our second little buddhak in 3 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak View Post
    We are expecting our second little buddhak in 3 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by farmerfrederico View Post
    p.s. I'm starting a thread to see which direction some might go after a bike like this. I'm thinking about selling and buying something new mostly due to changes in my life after the injury, a new geography, and with news that my wife and are expecting a little one in March!
    I've got a MM 3.0 that I've set up as a SS and with an Alfine 8. It works great for SSing but the geometry doesn't work as well when you add gears. Also, I'm wanting a little more suspension.

    I really dig the tensionerless Alfine, so I think my next step might be a stretched out MM 4.0 with the Alfine and I'll keep the MM 3.0 set up as a SS or sell it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsdc View Post
    I've got a MM 3.0 that I've set up as a SS and with an Alfine 8. It works great for SSing but the geometry doesn't work as well when you add gears.
    why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellocook View Post
    why?
    I'd like to hear more as well before I make any decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsdc View Post
    It works great for SSing but the geometry doesn't work as well when you add gears.
    bsdc, it sounds like you like a shorter reach and cockpit dimensions for SS since you're standing up and cranking a lot more. And you also prefer a longer, more stretched out position when on a geared bike. Is that correct? If that's true, I would contend that it's more of a bike setup and/or size issue rather than a problem with the geometry. In other words, you would like a size large as your SS bike and an XL for geared riding.

    I've occasionally run gears on my Milk Money and for me and my riding, the geometry works just as well as it does for singlespeed. But I set up my bikes as similarly as possible whether I'm riding SS or riding with gears.

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    The MM 3.0 has a relatively high bottom bracket, short chainstay, short wheelbase, and short, firm travel. All this is great when you are SSing since you are usually standing and cranking up a hill or coasting down a hill hovering above the saddle.

    When you have gears, you tend to want to sit more. This is less desirable when you have less suspension. Going up hill a steep hill while sitting, the bike tends to want to fall backwards and the front end becomes loose. When going down hill with gears, you often want to sit and crank. The firm suspension and agile handling makes the ride a bit sketchy as speed increases.

    The MM 3.0 is an awesome FS SS. The bike is specifically designed for that. For an tensionerless IGH, I think a MM 4.0 with more conventional geometry would be best. For me, I'd like to keep the high bottom bracket, stretch the chainstay (and thus the wheelbase) and PUSH the shock to get the best rear suspension performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12snap View Post
    bsdc, it sounds like you like a shorter reach and cockpit dimensions for SS since you're standing up and cranking a lot more. And you also prefer a longer, more stretched out position when on a geared bike. Is that correct? If that's true, I would contend that it's more of a bike setup and/or size issue rather than a problem with the geometry. In other words, you would like a size large as your SS bike and an XL for geared riding.

    I've occasionally run gears on my Milk Money and for me and my riding, the geometry works just as well as it does for singlespeed. But I set up my bikes as similarly as possible whether I'm riding SS or riding with gears.
    Kind of. The geometry of the MM is a bit different than most bikes. I think that's more conducive to SSing and less so if you are sitting and working the gears more. See my post above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsdc View Post
    Kind of. The geometry of the MM is a bit different than most bikes. I think that's more conducive to SSing and less so if you are sitting and working the gears more. See my post above.
    I do want to add ... I know a number of people have geared their MMs and love them. That's what inspired me. I'm sure a stock MM works great for most, with or without gears. I like my MM a lot. I think EVERY bike has strengths and weaknesses. I'm just pointing out what I see in my MM 3.0. If I didn't see a lot in the bike, I wouldn't be thinking of an MM 4.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsdc View Post
    I do want to add ... I know a number of people have geared their MMs and love them. That's what inspired me. I'm sure a stock MM works great for most, with or without gears. I like my MM a lot. I think EVERY bike has strengths and weaknesses. I'm just pointing out what I see in my MM 3.0. If I didn't see a lot in the bike, I wouldn't be thinking of an MM 4.0.
    I had an Alfine 11 on my MM 3.0 and didn't like it at all, swapping the wheel for a SS cured it and now its awesome...well it was, till I sold the forks, now waiting for WB Loops!

    Oh, and the Lev 4.0 is coming to be my geared bike...

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    Anyone got the shock length and stroke? I'm waiting on my MM3 but want to get a Monarch ordered and the Lenz crew seem to be away at Interbike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dontheclysdale View Post
    Anyone got the shock length and stroke? I'm waiting on my MM3 but want to get a Monarch ordered and the Lenz crew seem to be away at Interbike.
    It's a 6.5 x 1.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12snap View Post
    It's a 6.5 x 1.5.

    Awesome! thanks

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    I love bringing this thread back up to the top. Here is a photo of mine. I'm not sure about the history but I picked this frame last year from a fellow mtbr.com poster who, I believe, picked it up from 12Snap. Regardless, it's a great bike and has given me 12 months of pleasure...

    As pictured...24.70 lbs (without the water bottle)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Slo4U View Post
    I love bringing this thread back up to the top. Here is a photo of mine. I'm not sure about the history but I picked this frame last year from a fellow mtbr.com poster who, I believe, picked it up from 12Snap. Regardless, it's a great bike and has given me 12 months of pleasure...

    As pictured...24.70 lbs (without the water bottle)
    Yup, that was my old frame. It was originally Devin's personal frame. He sold it to me at VeloSwap a few years ago after he put that small dent in the top tube. It's one of the last MM frames Devin made with cable stops on the top tube. I had it for a about a year before selling it to get a Medium instead of the Large. I just sold the Medium 3.0 since my Medium 4.0 finally arrived. I need to get some pictures of the new bike and post them up.

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    Hey 2Slo4u, great to seeing you are enjoying the bike as much as I did! The 4.0 has been bringing pleasure to my life since December now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccornacc View Post
    Hey 2Slo4u, great to seeing you are enjoying the bike as much as I did! The 4.0 has been bringing pleasure to my life since December now!
    I'm not listening to either ccornacc or 12snap about a 4.0 MM. I'm not listening to either ccornacc or 12snap about a 4.0 MM. I'm not listening to either ccornacc or 12snap about a 4.0 MM. I'm not listening to either ccornacc or 12snap about a 4.0 MM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Slo4U View Post
    I'm not listening to either ccornacc or 12snap about a 4.0 MM. I'm not listening to either ccornacc or 12snap about a 4.0 MM. I'm not listening to either ccornacc or 12snap about a 4.0 MM. I'm not listening to either ccornacc or 12snap about a 4.0 MM.
    Awe, come on. You know it's inevitable. You are doing just like me. You picked up a used 3.0 (from someone getting a 4.0) because you were curious. You're liking it but wondering how nice an extra inch of travel might be. The question isn't "Are you going to buy a 4.0?" The question is "Will Devin build a 5.0?".

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    My 3.0 was supposed to ship Wed. I'm still waiting for my tracking number. I've got a pile of parts sitting on the floor in anticipation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsdc View Post
    The question is "Will Devin build a 5.0?".
    That exact question went through my mind while riding my 3.0 the other day...
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    THANK YOU DEVIN AND NICK!


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    And a little something special for all of you MM owners. Devin mentioned that I got the "new sliders"




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    I really like the look of those new sliders. I haven't had much trouble with mine but that looks useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dontheclysdale View Post
    And a little something special for all of you MM owners. Devin mentioned that I got the "new sliders"



    I have been using a prototype of this and it is a huge improvement. The original ones are sub standard for a bike costing this much but that's just me. I had so many problems that I wouldn't do it again if they weren't changed. I'm sure that it will bring some anger from other owners but it's just one guy's opinion.

    Devin is a great guy, provides awesome customer service and truly cares. That is why you see these redesigned and improved.

    In addition to the rod to prevent forward slippage, the nuts are larger and actually fit in the upper channel without having to grind one of them down. This all means that you don't have to tighten them as much which in turn prevents deformation of the soft aluminum. Once the aluminum deforms, the sliders no longer want to slide.

    Now, you can adjust the rod all the way out, mount your wheel, and slowly tension the drive side using your fingers! This is a huge improvement. You still need to "lever" the tire (as suggested by Mikesee) to get the non drive side to slide. Because of this, I would prefer to see the same for the non-drive side. It's not an issue the first time you mount it but it becomes one over time. It would also be nice if the inner nut was 10mm instead of the same 8mm as the outer nut. That's not a big deal but it would allow you to slide a box wrench over the outer bolt head and would mean you don't need two wrenches of the same size or have to use a crescent. You don't crank these really tight but you do need to prevent the bolt from turning as you "snug" the inner nut.

    Once again, Devin is a super guy, was patient with me and genuinely wants to make a good product even better.

    Enjoy the ride. It's awesome.

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    [QUOTE=hsakkire;8477258Enjoy the ride. It's awesome.[/QUOTE]

    Hey Erik, just spoke with Devin the other day about some stuff, and your name came up. Thanks for taking the time to share your issues with him, and for allowing him to do what he did. That's what a good consumer should do, and in the end, many more may benefit from it.

    It's funny, I never had a huge issue with it, once or twice early on, but since then it's been fine, as most will echo. Bt it's what I love about him. Given an situation, he'll get down to business, and come up with some elegant solution, not blame you, or say it's something to just deal with.

    I wish more companies I dealt with were as small, and fast on their feet as Lenz. One bit of user input (not just the "team guys" once every few years) creates a better product for all.

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