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    SC Superlight or Giant Trance X?

    If I was after an all-round frame for trail/xc, to run with 120mm Rebas. Come from hardtail/ss background and would probably run 1x10.

    Similar price....Tallboy too much money. Would ideally test both, but unlikely to happen.

    5'10" so probably medium Trance X (when it becomes available over here in UK) or large Supelight.

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    Superlight 29 can run 120 mm as an option. Note that the frame has a tapered steerer, so you may need an adapter if your Reba is a straight steerer. I haven't tried the giant, but I am very happy with the Superlight 29.

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    Thanks - my Reba is tapered with 20mm maxle.
    Any flex in rear of Superlight and how does it pedal out of the saddle?

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    There is also this - but no frame-only.


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    The Trance X 29er frame is lighter and has a more advanced suspension design (IMO, Maestro is among the best designs at any price). It's a no-brainer in favor of the Trance....I've been shopping a lot for a new bike, and am likely to pull the trigger on a Trance X 29'er X0.

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    the 2013 sl29 comes with a 120 mm fox fork in rxc just got 1 and think its a rather nice bike!
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    You are comparing an apple and a supersonic jet IMO.

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    Tallboy AL if you can find a way to swing it.. Anthem is more comparable to the superlight, but regardless, the anthem or the trance over the superlight. Much better suspension.

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    Cheers - Tallboy al is too much.

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    It depends on if you want pedal bob or no pedal bob.
    Small ring in front makes it easier. Small ring in back makes it harder. That blows my mind.

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    The Trance X 29er is going to be hard to beat in pedaling performance in and out of the saddle imo.

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    hey when giving advice try to be more clear on what you are referencing, for the uninitiated like myself.

    "You are comparing an apple and a supersonic jet IMO."

    "It depends on if you want pedal bob or no pedal bob."

    what bikes are you taking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j__h View Post
    hey when giving advice try to be more clear on what you are referencing, for the uninitiated like myself.

    "You are comparing an apple and a supersonic jet IMO."

    "It depends on if you want pedal bob or no pedal bob."

    what bikes are you taking about?
    SL is a single pivot and the pedaling platform is not near as stable as the Giant's maestro platform. The SC is a good bike but the Giant is a step or two above it in pedaling performace. I have a anthem x which has the same suspension as the trance and I never put it in pro pedal and I never get pedal bob. The suspension is night and day in favor of the Giant.
    Small ring in front makes it easier. Small ring in back makes it harder. That blows my mind.

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    Thanks for the explanation.

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    I agree with utley06. Anthem and SL are more in the same ballpark and then Tallboy and Trance. I test rode all of them and I'd put it in this order.

    Tallboy
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    Trance X is easily the best bang for your buck, but I preferred the Tallboy more. Worth the extra cost? That depends on who you ask (don't ask my wife).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    SL is a single pivot and the pedaling platform is not near as stable as the Giant's maestro platform. The SC is a good bike but the Giant is a step or two above it in pedaling performace. I have a anthem x which has the same suspension as the trance and I never put it in pro pedal and I never get pedal bob. The suspension is night and day in favor of the Giant.
    Nope.
    I mean you are comparing an XC race bike to a trail bike.
    FWIW I would say my 26" SL was one of the best bikes I owned. I never locked out or used Pro Pedal on it either.

    No idea why you would want to put a 120mm fork on it and then try to compare it with the Trance.

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    No idea why you would want to put a 120mm fork on it and then try to compare it with the Trance
    er...because SC say you can spec it with 120mm fork and several reviews/reports talk about doing this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Nope.
    I mean you are comparing an XC race bike to a trail bike.
    FWIW I would say my 26" SL was one of the best bikes I owned. I never locked out or used Pro Pedal on it either.

    No idea why you would want to put a 120mm fork on it and then try to compare it with the Trance.
    What exactly are you noping on my post?
    Small ring in front makes it easier. Small ring in back makes it harder. That blows my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Nope.
    I mean you are comparing an XC race bike to a trail bike.
    FWIW I would say my 26" SL was one of the best bikes I owned. I never locked out or used Pro Pedal on it either.

    No idea why you would want to put a 120mm fork on it and then try to compare it with the Trance.
    The Trance X29 is considered a trail bike but it can be a very effective XC race bike. As a race bike i am liking it better than the Anthem x 29. And the weights are not too different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Nope.
    I mean you are comparing an XC race bike to a trail bike.
    FWIW I would say my 26" SL was one of the best bikes I owned. I never locked out or used Pro Pedal on it either.

    No idea why you would want to put a 120mm fork on it and then try to compare it with the Trance.
    The SL is a fantastic bike and at a great value. If you're pedaling it around a parking lot you cannot effectively compare it to the Maestro suspension.

    Both Santa Cruz's VPP design (Tallboy) and their single pivot design (Superlight) has greater pedaling efficient over the Maestro (Trance and Anthem).

    This is the easiest way I can explain the three designs while keeping the amount of travel out of the equation.

    VPP (tallboy) = better pedaling efficiency over the Maestro, however they equally go over technical terrain smoothly. The Maestro is probably a little more plush than the Tallboy. That can be a good thing or bad thing depending what you like.

    Single Pivot (Superlight) = Better pedaling efficiency over the Maestro and almost equal to the Tallboy. However on more technical terrain the SL is not as smooth and it gets hung up on rocks easier.

    If you're riding on 70 to 90 % smooth singletrack then the Superlight will be just fine

    If you're riding on singletrack where you will be encountering lots of technical terrain then I would go with the VPP or Maestro design. I've had both and they are both absolutely amazing! I've demoed the Superlight here in Utah and it just could not compare to these on rougher trails here in Utah. I give the Tallboy the advantage over both bikes because I think you get the most pedaling efficiency and the best active suspension over technical terrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by utley06 View Post
    Single Pivot (Superlight) = Better pedaling efficiency over the Maestro and almost equal to the Tallboy.
    Small ring in front makes it easier. Small ring in back makes it harder. That blows my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by utley06 View Post
    Single Pivot (Superlight) = Better pedaling efficiency over the Maestro and almost equal to the Tallboy. However on more technical terrain the SL is not as smooth and it gets hung up on rocks easier.

    If you're riding on 70 to 90 % smooth singletrack then the Superlight will be just fine.
    SP > Maestro for pedaling efficiency? Wow, you have a different perspective than just about everyone else who has ridden both. Also, a hardtail does just fine if riding on 70 to 90% smooth singletrack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    I assumed a Maestro owner would get upset. I've rode Maestro for 8 years and I love it to death but it does bob a little, Trance more so than the Anthem.

    I honestly think these debates are pointless. All 4 bikes mentioned are fantastic bikes.

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    I'll also add that Giant totally copied Santa Cruz's Tallboy short chain stay design on the new Trance 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    SL is a single pivot and the pedaling platform is not near as stable as the Giant's maestro platform. The SC is a good bike but the Giant is a step or two above it in pedaling performace. I have a anthem x which has the same suspension as the trance and I never put it in pro pedal and I never get pedal bob. The suspension is night and day in favor of the Giant.
    Giant may or may not be better but i know there is just a little bob on trail and none when the shock is in the climb position. I'm not a bicycle expert but i think the sl is very under rated by many on this board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by utley06 View Post
    I assumed a Maestro owner would get upset. I've rode Maestro for 8 years and I love it to death but it does bob a little, Trance more so than the Anthem.

    I honestly think these debates are pointless. All 4 bikes mentioned are fantastic bikes.
    Upset? No. I have many, many times read revews or posts about how the maestro is one of the top platforms out there. Never ran across one on the SL though. Well, now I have, once. Again, SL is a good bike for what it is, saying it pedals better than one of the more respected dual-link suspension with four pivot points is strange at best. A small part of it can be blamed on opinion, the rest is physics.
    Small ring in front makes it easier. Small ring in back makes it harder. That blows my mind.

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    OP, hands down get the Trance, you'll have a very capable bike, able to do from XC to Trail to light AM and it'll pedal 10X better than the SL.

    Was going to say, get a goat or a pig, that's how similar these bikes are NOT :skep;
    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    You are comparing an apple and a supersonic jet IMO.
    Um, put down the crack pipe and step away from the computer, seriously. At what point in time can a single pivot EVER pedal as well as either VPP or Maestro or any of the other multi link pivot designs Won't even touch the VPP pedals better than Maestro

    Quote Originally Posted by utley06 View Post
    VPP (tallboy) = better pedaling efficiency over the Maestro, however they equally go over technical terrain smoothly. The Maestro is probably a little more plush than the Tallboy. That can be a good thing or bad thing depending what you like.

    Single Pivot (Superlight) = Better pedaling efficiency over the Maestro and almost equal to the Tallboy. However on more technical terrain the SL is not as smooth and it gets hung up on rocks easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    OP, hands down get the Trance, you'll have a very capable bike, able to do from XC to Trail to light AM and it'll pedal 10X better than the SL.

    Was going to say, get a goat or a pig, that's how similar these bikes are NOT :skep;


    Um, put down the crack pipe and step away from the computer, seriously. At what point in time can a single pivot EVER pedal as well as either VPP or Maestro or any of the other multi link pivot designs Won't even touch the VPP pedals better than Maestro
    I dont now why I even bother getting on these forums.. So pointless!! If someone says someone elses bike isn't the best out there they freak out. Its like debating whose wife is better.

    Obvious you're only reading half of what I'm saying. I've already said the Maestro is superior over all to the Superlights single pivot, but If you're riding on smooth single track and not a lot of technical terrain the Superlight gets my vote. Its snappier and has less bob and of course a hard tail is an option but we are not discussing hard tails here.

    Giant owners, calm down!!! Maestro has a great suspension but it damn sure is not the best. Also, your Giant paint jobs are ugly as **** so I hope your bargain bike was worth that ugly huffy paint design... ha ha ha ha!!! Want to get nasty? Lets go *****es!!!!!

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    If the SL single pivot is so bad then why would SC have kept with it for 10 years plus??? (rhetorical/sarcastic question).

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    Dude, while I own a Maestro bike, I have not ridden it in over 7 years nearly except for an occasional foray back trying stuff out, I am not a Giant owner who's upset because you're dissing them, I'm a rider who's owned Single Pivot, Maestro, CVA and now a sweet KS Link Prime. I have ridden VPP and SP SC bikes I do service on, that's where I base my decision ontop of all those I've owned and can compare. From my experience it is better to ride a SP on rough trails over smooth trails where you can feel how much more they bob than a multi link design. Maestro in it's original icarnation isn't the best, but it sure beats a SP any day of the week for better pedaling with less bob.

    Quote Originally Posted by utley06 View Post
    I dont now why I even bother getting on these forums.. So pointless!! If someone says someone elses bike isn't the best out there they freak out. Its like debating whose wife is better.

    Obvious you're only reading half of what I'm saying. I've already said the Maestro is superior over all to the Superlights single pivot, but If you're riding on smooth single track and not a lot of technical terrain the Superlight gets my vote. Its snappier and has less bob and of course a hard tail is an option but we are not discussing hard tails here.

    Giant owners, calm down!!! Maestro has a great suspension but it damn sure is not the best. Also, your Giant paint jobs are ugly as **** so I hope your bargain bike was worth that ugly huffy paint design... ha ha ha ha!!! Want to get nasty? Lets go *****es!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    If the SL single pivot is so bad then why would SC have kept with it for 10 years plus??? (rhetorical/sarcastic question).
    Because it is a cheap design. Easy to manufacture and produce. It gives SC more bang for the buck. A SP design just cannot compete for efficiency with a DSL design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    Because it is a cheap design. Easy to manufacture and produce. It gives SC more bang for the buck. A SP design just cannot compete for efficiency with a DSL design.

    Yes that is obviously it.
    Santa Cruz is all about building cheap bikes.

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    I guess wen your a bike wrench and work in a bike shop and have 50 different bikes to ride you can extoll the virtues of the very best products with out having about wear and tear of them as you only put 100 miles a year on each 1. There is something to be said for simpler more durable designs that appeals to many. There is also something to be said for more complex, exposed and more labor intensive designs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by utley06 View Post
    I dont now why I even bother getting on these forums.. So pointless!! If someone says someone elses bike isn't the best out there they freak out. Its like debating whose wife is better.

    Obvious you're only reading half of what I'm saying. I've already said the Maestro is superior over all to the Superlights single pivot, but If you're riding on smooth single track and not a lot of technical terrain the Superlight gets my vote. Its snappier and has less bob and of course a hard tail is an option but we are not discussing hard tails here.

    Giant owners, calm down!!! Maestro has a great suspension but it damn sure is not the best. Also, your Giant paint jobs are ugly as **** so I hope your bargain bike was worth that ugly huffy paint design... ha ha ha ha!!! Want to get nasty? Lets go *****es!!!!!
    You are the one not getting it. You don't like the paint on a giant? That fine, it's an opinion. Vpp better than maestro, that's a discussion. But to say a single pivot has less bob is a misinformed statement and laughable.
    Small ring in front makes it easier. Small ring in back makes it harder. That blows my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    You are the one not getting it. You don't like the paint on a giant? That fine, it's an opinion. Vpp better than maestro, that's a discussion. But to say a single pivot has less bob is a misinformed statement and laughable.
    I would say that my 26" Superlight had as little bob as my Tallboy or my Jet9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Yes that is obviously it.
    Santa Cruz is all about building cheap bikes.
    Same reason Nissan sells a 370Z and a GT-R for several times the price. Not everyone can or will spend big bucks for a Tallboy, so they have a cheaper, lower performing alternative at a more reasonable price point. They've made a conscious effort to address a wider portion of the available market, and IMO the SL is pretty cheap for a name brand full suspension 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by some delusional Giant lover handing out anonymous negative rep
    Cheap overpriced bikes that don't match up to Maestro
    Grow up.

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    Was looking for the same thing Clink and ordered a Trance x frame. Still 3 weeks till they hit the UK though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugs View Post
    Was looking for the same thing Clink and ordered a Trance x frame. Still 3 weeks till they hit the UK though.
    Post some pics/info when it turns up. The Whyte T-129 looks perfect, but no frames.

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    Truth be told, Giant & SC are using very similar suspension setups and what it really boils down to is how the lower linkages are engaging.
    Like anything, you must give to take, so better pedaling efficiency will come at the expense of smoothness and smoothness will come at the expense of pedaling efficiency.
    That said, you also have brake forces that apply to rear suspension which is why a lot of bikes like the SC Bullit offered a floating caliper mount that allows for braking and still allows for rear suspension movement.
    Personally, I love my SP bikes for downhilling, actually a lot of companies are using modified versions of SP still.
    Hence SC bringing out the Butcher for a few years. Everyone that I knew that rode one and previously owned a VPP loved it, even preferred it to the VPP!
    Plus, shocks have come a long, long way and these days easily make up when suspensions lack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by someone who cared enough to give me anonymous negative rep
    stop posting your negative rep comments to the boards. No one cares.
    Looks like someone does care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    The Trance X 29er is going to be hard to beat in pedaling performance in and out of the saddle imo.
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