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    Saw a chinese carbon 29er yesterday, nice...

    I saw the guy leaving our trail and then saw him at a gas station we stopped at so I asked him about, the bike. Hand to god, I honestly though he had an all black S works stumpy hardtail, I asked him if he refinished the bike when he told me it was one of the chinese carbon frames off ebay he had read about on MTBR, $550 delivered.
    He was a good sized guy he said he has been beating on it for a while at 220# set-up with nice equipment as a single speed with Chub hubs. Very light with no issues, I think he said it was about 18#.
    He said he rides it hard on the same trails we ride on and its fast, rigid, and light. He rides allot, over 20 years, and has loads of bikes but described this one as his "Porsche" compared to the other rides.

    I want one, it was hot. I convinced myself that this will be my reward if I hit my goal weight of 200# this year.
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    good luck with goal! i'm considering one to replace my access frame in the future... but quite a while from now as the access frame is pretty new.

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    There is way too much hype surrounding the pros and cons of these asian carbon bikes. They work good and they damn good quality for the price you're paying. It's a hardtail for christ sakes. It has no moving parts whatsoever. I happen to like them and lots of people have had great experiences with them yet I'm sure it's only a matter of time before someone chimes in this thread (with no real experience having purchased one) about how you can't trust anything made anywhere other than Americuh and that you're a communist if you even consider buying your parts from overseas. You don't want to be a pinko, DO YOU?

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    The thing that struck me and my brother after we left was how similar it was to a stumpy s works, I find it very hard to believe this thing didn't come off the same production line. You could have slapped S work vinyl on it and resold it for $1,500, its that close.
    It was really a beautiful bike in all respects from the finish, weave, and gloss, to the geometry and curved top tube. For $550 its worth the gamble in my opinion.
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    It's not even really a gamble, the ones that I have seen have been great quality, and for 550 dollars you should more than get your money worth. I'm not sure they're on par with the quality of the big brands, but they definitely make you think pretty hard about how much you're really paying for that sticker on the down tube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim311 View Post
    I'm not sure they're on par with the quality of the big brands, but they definitely make you think pretty hard about how much you're really paying for that sticker on the down tube.
    I wouldn't say that you're paying for the sticker. Unlike the guys who put the sticker on the frame, the Chinese guys didn't spend much time on R&D. They simply copied existing design. I am sure they still have like 1000% profit margin but just saying that the difference isn't just in the sticker.

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    get the moto ti 29er and have no regrets. the chinese carbon is all good until it cracks.

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    Of course it's a dupe of the Specialized design and while I'm no fan of Specialized, Specialized did (at least some of) the R&D, does a bunch of high dollar marketing, sponsors racers and race teams (not to mention cycling as a sport) and stands behind their lifetime frame warranty.

    I wouldn't hesitate to ride one of the Chinese knock-off's, but if it was my only rig, then I'd probably buy two identical frames, one to ride and one as my personal warranty frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topmounter View Post
    Of course it's a dupe of the Specialized design and while I'm no fan of Specialized, Specialized did (at least some of) the R&D, does a bunch of high dollar marketing, sponsors racers and race teams (not to mention cycling as a sport) and stands behind their lifetime frame warranty.

    Just because it LOOKS like a Specy, does not mean it is the same. What you see is the outside skin, With the lay up processes of carbon, it could be night and day difference underneath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeGrazing View Post
    get the moto ti 29er and have no regrets. the chinese carbon is all good until it cracks.
    I'm with you on that. I'm not sold yet on carbon for mountain use, chinese or otherwise. I push the limits too much and I can just see the thing landing on a rock during a crash and cracking. The weight savings and stiffness gain is calling me though...

    But, I'm tickled pink with my china/ebay carbon road frame every time i get on it. Its such a massive step up from my last road frame (fuji roubaix). I can't believe I only paid $300 for it.

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    Some are not even knock offs. They are the exact same frame with out the stickers. There are a lot of bikes made over seas for different manufactures on the same production line.

    I used to hear a lot of people not sure about Giant, but they didn't have a problem buying a bike that was made by Giant because they didn't know where it was actually made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gatman View Post
    I used to hear a lot of people not sure about Giant, but they didn't have a problem buying a bike that was made by Giant because they didn't know where it was actually made.
    I think you have it backwards. Giant is actually the largest manufacturer and they produce frames for Trek and a bunch of other well-known brands. For a while Giant was the only manufacturer that produced their carbon fiber giving them excellent quality control throughout the process.

    Merida is another large manufacturer based out of Taiwan that makes frames for Specialized.

    Here's a good article on this subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00gauge View Post
    I think you have it backwards. Giant is actually the largest manufacturer and they produce frames for Trek and a bunch of other well-known brands. For a while Giant was the only manufacturer that produced their carbon fiber giving them excellent quality control throughout the process.
    I was not stating anything different then that.

    All I said is some people had issues thinking Giant was not a good brand and would turn around and buy a bike that is made by Giant, not knowing who actually makes it.

    This was to go along with my statement that some manufactures make carbon frames for several different companies.

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    I saw one the other day being built. The mech was a bit disgusted with it...not for the quality, not because it was bought from China, but because it would only accept a 2.1 and some narrow "2.2s". There isn't much clearance in the rear chainstays for some decent size tires. Then again, you can get away with a narrower tire in the rear if you don't spend a lot of time sitting in the saddle. Otherwise it looks very close to the SJ Carbon and the On-One Carbon.

    sorry off subject but....
    I just hope it doesn't ride like the SJ carbon...I got on one on Sunday, and that frame is very very stiff! There was almost zero compliance or dampening in the frame. The whole back end felt like it was a roadbike on the trail...I had the PSI right, but man is that frame unforgiving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by topmounter View Post
    Specialized stands behind their lifetime frame warranty.


    Not from what I have seen. They denied a warranty on a friend of mine's SXT because they said it had been "jumped."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim311 View Post
    Not from what I have seen. They denied a warranty on a friend of mine's SXT because they said it had been "jumped."
    How dare he jump a Freeride bike???

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubdryver View Post
    The mech was a bit disgusted with it...not for the quality, not because it was bought from China, but because it would only accept a 2.1 and some narrow "2.2s".
    That would be a deal breaker for me. I have ridden only a few borrowed hard tails and I felt seriously beat up afterwards. I can't imagine riding one without a seriously fat big-volume tire in the back.

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    If it cleared my Ikon 2.2s I would be happy, but I am afraid it would be pretty tight.
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    I got 2.2's in my ltbikes frame and its got huge amounts of room left...
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    Quote Originally Posted by emp? View Post
    I got 2.2's in my ltbikes frame and its go huge amounts of room left...


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    Quote Originally Posted by dubdryver View Post
    sorry off subject but....
    I just hope it doesn't ride like the SJ carbon...I got on one on Sunday, and that frame is very very stiff! There was almost zero compliance or dampening in the frame. The whole back end felt like it was a roadbike on the trail...I had the PSI right, but man is that frame unforgiving.
    That's how a carbon race frame rides....stiff.

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    http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/31088...tbike?h=1f7579
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    Just curious why you call it a Chinese Carbon 29er......would you call a set of Mavics "French 29er wheels" or a set of Shimanos "Japanese Cranksets"

    Sounds like these are from private label manufacturers, or at least "overseas" private label manufacturers.... Or "non North American" private label manufacturers.... Private label manufacturing is common in many other industries and that seems to be the issue here.

    I'm having a hard time following ethnic connotations and so perhaps we move on from it....agree?

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    I don't care if Martians made it, I likey. Anyone got a link where one could be purchased?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timo View Post
    Just curious why you call it a Chinese Carbon 29er......would you call a set of Mavics "French 29er wheels" or a set of Shimanos "Japanese Cranksets"
    "Open sourced molds with unknown if any destructive testing" might be more appropriate.

    Seriously I'd be asking if these pass CE or EN testing folks. Great frame for the price though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timo View Post
    Just curious why you call it a Chinese Carbon 29er......would you call a set of Mavics "French 29er wheels" or a set of Shimanos "Japanese Cranksets".

    I'm having a hard time following ethnic connotations and so perhaps we move on from it....agree?
    Because people are dealing directly with the sellers in China and thats what people on road bike review started calling it. China is the place on the planet that the frames are coming from. There is no "ethnic connotation" unless you want there to be. Un-branded may be more accurate but it doesn't roll off the tongue quite as easily does it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSJ1973 View Post
    "Open sourced molds with unknown if any destructive testing" might be more appropriate.

    Seriously I'd be asking if these pass CE or EN testing folks. Great frame for the price though.
    Considering almost everyone I know of on a Fisher or Cannondale carbon has broken theirs at least once, not sure if it can get much worse.

    A bunch of people here are riding the cheapo Chinese frames and they say their riding them hard with no issues. There could be many factors though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus View Post
    Considering almost everyone I know of on a Fisher or Cannondale carbon has broken theirs at least once, not sure if it can get much worse.

    A bunch of people here are riding the cheapo Chinese frames and they say their riding them hard with no issues. There could be many factors though...
    Sure it could get worse, If you break a Cannondale or a Fisher there is a warranty to fall back on. When these unbranded 29ers have two or three years of use on them something can be said of their quality and durability, until then they are just an unknown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emp? View Post
    http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/31088...tbike?h=1f7579
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    sorry for the crappy photos btw
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    (his host doesn't seem to like the hotlink. But, the pics show plenty of room in the chainstays with a 2.2 RaRa)
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    Nice!

    Quote Originally Posted by emp? View Post
    http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/31088...tbike?h=1f7579
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    I think that is the one I'm going to get. I like the matte black carbon finish, not the weave finish. Also, the internal cable routing rules.

    Nice! Let us all know how it rides!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timo View Post
    Just curious why you call it a Chinese Carbon 29er......would you call a set of Mavics "French 29er wheels" or a set of Shimanos "Japanese Cranksets"

    Sounds like these are from private label manufacturers, or at least "overseas" private label manufacturers.... Or "non North American" private label manufacturers.... Private label manufacturing is common in many other industries and that seems to be the issue here.

    I'm having a hard time following ethnic connotations and so perhaps we move on from it....agree?
    Can we also stop calling Ford an "American car company"? It's totally racist...

    I dig the Hong Fu frame. Looks good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Sure it could get worse, If you break a Cannondale or a Fisher there is a warranty to fall back on. When these unbranded 29ers have two or three years of use on them something can be said of their quality and durability, until then they are just an unknown.
    The very same company that is producing these has produced 26er versions for years. I don't see why these frame should be any different. The local shop has had EVERY Superfly they've ever sold come back broken, and some of them have been broken more than once. I can take a crap in a box and slap a warranty sticker on it but it's still just a warrantied piece of crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigSteve in CO View Post
    Can we also stop calling Ford an "American car company"? It's totally racist...

    I dig the Hong Fu frame. Looks good.
    Meh...never take me seriously.

    But..Ford, an American Company? Say what? I once worked at their engine plant in Mexico and that division was run by their German group.

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    Personally I've been waiting for these carbon 29ers to pop up. My brother has a 26" version from ebay and it seems fine to me. I wouldn't have reservations about buying it. I just have to decide between this carbon frame or steel... hard choice for me.

    All I've seen is the 3k and 12k glossy frames. Anyone have a link to the matte?

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    no link just tell em what you want, mine is ud carbon without the weave
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigSteve in CO View Post
    Can we also stop calling Ford an "American car company"? It's totally racist...

    I dig the Hong Fu frame. Looks good.
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    I saw one the other day being built

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00gauge View Post
    I think you have it backwards. Giant is actually the largest manufacturer and they produce frames for Trek and a bunch of other well-known brands. For a while Giant was the only manufacturer that produced their carbon fiber giving them excellent quality control throughout the process.

    Merida is another large manufacturer based out of Taiwan that makes frames for Specialized.

    Here's a good article on this subject.


    Thanks for great article

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    Quote Originally Posted by emp? View Post
    no link just tell em what you want, mine is ud carbon without the weave
    Really nice looking frame.

    I wonder, when they sold you the frame did they say anything about flex stays ? It looks like that is the design they are copying for this particular frame. the classic first hung well/go to 29er frame is a bit of a different design.


    I wish all the manufacturers would distinguish that particular thing more clearly.
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    nah but i never asked either, they do flex tho, be interesting to see if they absorb much trail chatter
    not to fussed either way really, Just wanted to try one
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    so madsedan did this guy tell you which seller he bought it from?

    an ebay search returns 2, one that looks like emps and one that looks like the hong fu frame. I like the look of emp's one.

    emp, the ebay picks look like the rear brake hose goes through the frame as well, is this the case? Do you have to take the barbs off to get it in?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thalamos View Post
    That very well could have been a Specialized frame without the stickers. Specialized doesn't make bikes anymore. There isn't a Specialized factory overseas. Specialized bikes are made by Ideal, Merida and GT and stickered and painted at the factory. Also, most carbon frame bikes are made in China now. That bike could have been a Specialized designed that got out of the factory without being sticker or was made to be sold in Asia only but made its way here.

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    If you are speaking directly to 29ers, this is not likely the case. I've lived here in Asia for 3.5 years and 29ers are not making headway with the local at all. A few expats such as myself ride them but local prices on ANYTHING fun are 2-3x normal USA prices. We usually order from the States.

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    thanks emp? I was more concerned about cleaning up the dot fluid that would no doubt end up lining the inside of the guide tube and then seep out for the next few days.

    Please report back on the ride once it is finished.

    rearviewmirror, thanks for the links. I had seen the hong fu bikes and also found them on fleabay but under a different name.

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    yeah rear brake line is internal, yeah u need to take the barb and olive off to get it though, but its a lined tube inside the frame so u just push it in one end and it will pop out the other
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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    so madsedan did this guy tell you which seller he bought it from?

    an ebay search returns 2, one that looks like emps and one that looks like the hong fu frame. I like the look of emp's one.

    emp, the ebay picks look like the rear brake hose goes through the frame as well, is this the case? Do you have to take the barbs off to get it in?

    Thanks
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    That very well could have been a Specialized frame without the stickers. Specialized doesn't make bikes anymore. There isn't a Specialized factory overseas. Specialized bikes are made by Ideal, Merida and GT and stickered and painted at the factory. Also, most carbon frame bikes are made in China now. That bike could have been a Specialized designed that got out of the factory without being sticker or was made to be sold in Asia only but made its way here.

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    Not specifically referring to 29'ers but bike manufacturing in general. Most of the the bikes in the US market are made in China and Taiwan by a handful of manufacturers. I know that the greater percentage of carbon fiber frames are manufactured in China. I'm sure that there are some smaller US manufacturers that make their frames in house but Specialized carbon comes from China.

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    So how the heck does someone go about ordering one of these frames? It seems very confusing.

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