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    Smile Santa Cruz Hightower LT -vs- Evil Wreckoning

    Greetings big wheels riders! It's my first time posting in 29er land 'cause I don't own any 29er bikes but am looking at them somehow.

    I see many potent 29er rolling to the market these days but these two are my most interesting ones. In your opinion, which one feels best to you? And for those who have experienced with the two, how do you think in terms of pedaling, cornering, descending, playfulness, etc.?

    Sorry if this similar threads have been posted somewhere else before. I googled this but didn't see one. BTW if there aren't any, I hope this thread be a useful buyer info though. So please feel free to share yours






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    Where and what kind of trails would you ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerberus75 View Post
    Where and what kind of trails would you ride?
    Mostly on average trails and daily urban ride, occasional bike park, and may do some race also.

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    Having had a 6" 29er build up like you'd build a wreckoning, I'd lean towards describing that bike as a battle axe. It'll level everything well, be more of a chore to whip around, etc. Better if you are going to do dual duty with some park riding, etc.
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    I built out a really nice Wreckoning earlier this year. My purchase was based on the reviews and riding a 29 or twice (a switchblade and a high tower). I love the way the 29r wheels can float over rocks, accelerate and maintain speed, give the bars a lot of stability and give the front wheel a lot of traction. However, the big rear wheel does seem to really limit my ability to whip the bike and get loose into turns. Also the geometry and travel makes it not very snappy compared to 27l" trail bikes. Ultimately, the bike is great at leveling the trail like an axe as Jayem says, but I often wonder if I'd be having more fun on a more average enduro bike or nomad v4/Firebird style bike.

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    Haven't ridden the HT LT but I was surprised at how snappy and responsive the Wreckoning was. Just looking at the numbers I'd basically crossed it off my list, thinking, like Jayem, that it was just a monster truck for serious DH trails.

    Maybe dustyduke22 will chime in but he rides his everywhere, including big all-day alpine adventures. After my few rides on it, I don't see any big disadvantage compared to my Endorphin for all-around trail riding...... and it feels super plush and capable on rough descents as you would expect.

    These new generation longer travel 29ers are quite amazing.

    FWIW, those two are at the top of my list as well, along with the Yeti 5.5c, GG Smash, and YT Jeffsy.
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    When I demo'd the switchblade my daily driver was a mach6, I thought the SB was much more playful and quicker handling than the m6. So I wouldn't say it's a blanket 27 is more playful/snappy than 29.

    But what really got in my head is I ran the wreck with a 27 rear wheel, all else equal, just for experimentation. The trail was pretty smooth, not too steep and had a dozen or so hip jumps. It was, honestly, a ton more fun than with the 29 on the back. It not hyperbole to say it felt like a completely different bike. But due to the super slack seat angle and insanely low bb it wasn't practical to run it with the mullet full time. This is getting off topic, but I think my perfect bike might be designed with mixed wheel size.

    No dig on lt 29rs, just trying to give op another data point.

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    I, too, was a bit skeptical of those saying the Wreckoning did just fine as an only bike. It can do just fine.
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    Subscribing because I'm in a similar debate on bikes, with maybe the Orbea Rallon thrown in the mix.

    I like the Wreckoning for the general better build on their gx kit and for just great DH ability.

    I like the HT LT for what I assume to be better climbing, based on my demo time on the OG HT, and less trail numbing for more xc trail days.

    i need to get a demo in on the Wreck to check the climbing, my go to out the door ride is 1k vert in the first 2.1 miles, I need something that I can at least enjoy the starter climb on.

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    Definitely check out the sb5.5 and new specialized enduro just to make the decision a little harder.

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    I just picked up a HT LT for my first dip into any tire size bigger than a 26". My former bike was a Felt Redemption. So take that into account for my opinion.

    The HT feels amazing. It pedals way better than my former bike and the 17 Spesh Enduro I tested. Coming from 9 years on a 26" bike, there has been a huge learning curve. Like others have said, it doesn't feel as nimble as the smaller wheel size, but it soaks up the rocks like they weren't even there. The bike has been a great change for me but I'm still trying to learn how to ride it.

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    The two biggest tips I have for riding 29rs is: load the front and lean the bike more aggressively to corner!

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    Sorry for zombie thread, BUT

    i currently have a hightower lt. pretty awesome bike, i have a float X2 on the rear, so it is just about as ďDHĒ as i can get it. however i still find myself wanting more on the descents. ive been looking into a wreckoning frame, so im wondering how these two compare in terms of suspension platform. I cant demo a wreckoning anywhere near here so id be purchasing blind. the wreckoning seems to have a steeper seat tube angle which is nice, most of my climbs are mellow singletrack or fireroads so im not too worried about having to flip a climb switch for efficiency. a lot of my rides are 20-25 miles, mellow climbs, rocky/jumpy descents.
    would be great to hear from some of you who have ridden both!

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    Have you considered an angleset on the HTLT? As much as I like my Wreckoning, I would have a hard time justifying switching to it if I had a nicely set up HTLT.

    Itíll be interesting to see what the new HT looks like whenever SC gets around to replacing it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Structure View Post
    Have you considered an angleset on the HTLT? As much as I like my Wreckoning, I would have a hard time justifying switching to it if I had a nicely set up HTLT.

    Itíll be interesting to see what the new HT looks like whenever SC gets around to replacing it.


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    i was under the impression that an angle set wont fit a hightower because it uses an integrated headset. could try those fancy bushings i guess but i think i was more wondering how the rear suspension compred to the wreckoning

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    sorry, guess I havenít followed the HT carefully. Iíve only ridden the standard HT and own a TBLTc so canít directly compare rear suspensions.

    with the new 140mm Offering just released there are bound ti be a few Wreckoning frames up for sale soon!


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