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    Salsa Pro Moto Carbon Flat Bar

    I've decided to go w/ a flat bar on my Redline Monocog 29er. I like a wider bar on both my SS and my full squishy 26er so I've decided to go w/ the salsa. I am also hoping the carbon 25.4 bar soaks up a bit more vibration and bumps than the stock Easton O/S Riserbar.

    So... my question is... WHAT BEND?! 5, 11, or 17 degree???

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    I like the 11 degree. Super comfy position and not to drastic of a change from my FS 26er.

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    I think you're limited to 5 deg w/ the carbon if you choose 25.4. That being said, I have the 11 deg aluminum version and like it quite a lot. 17 degree would be nice as well. The last one I'd choose is 5 deg.
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    Here's the carbon bar in 25.4 with 11 degrees of sweep.

    I had the alloy version and swapped to the carbon after building a stiffer front wheel and needing a little extra damping.
    It worked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenLightGo
    I think you're limited to 5 deg w/ the carbon if you choose 25.4. That being said, I have the 11 deg aluminum version and like it quite a lot. 17 degree would be nice as well. The last one I'd choose is 5 deg.

    WOW! You guys are super fast! The 25.4 does come in 5, 11, and 17.

    thanks for the input so far...
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    Good to know, for some reason, I thought the carbon 11/17 was 31.8 only.
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    personally I like the 5 degree with the singlespeed, and the 11 degree with the gears. This was because I HAD bar ends on the SS, and holding on the ends was akward with the 11 degrees. Since then I have removed the bar ends, so who knows now.

    Another think I didn't like was the 25.4 on the SS. It felt flexy cranking down on them. They are fine for gears, but I recommend the 31.8 for SS.

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    i wish those bars were wider... i love my AL version with 11* sweep

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    You'll like the 11 only till the money you try the 17.

    Do get a really long stem. Add 20mm over a regular flat bar.

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    I just realized the bar only comes in 660mm... not 680mm like I previously thought. Anyone know of a wider carbon flat bar that comes in a 25.4 clamp? I'm worried the 660mm bar wont be big enough...
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    Surly Torsion Bar is 666mm. I don't know of any wider.

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    IIRC the 710mm wide carbon bar is only available in 31.8, 25.4 is only available in 660mm. I went from a 710mm wide bar to the 11* 660 bar and couldn't be happier.

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    I like lots of bend for climbing on a SS, so I wouldn't hesitate and go with the 17.

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    Really like the 11 degree. It's just a nice amount of bend, and the AL version at 710 is handy for fine tuning.....although I've cut them down to 670 and they're still too wide so I'll probably end up at 650 which will be funny.

    Thomson has stopped production of the 25.4 Elite stems, so maybe think of this as an opportunity to go 31.8? 25.4 may be a bit of a dying breed if that's any indication.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thylacine
    Really like the 11 degree. It's just a nice amount of bend, and the AL version at 710 is handy for fine tuning.....although I've cut them down to 670 and they're still too wide so I'll probably end up at 650 which will be funny.

    Thomson has stopped production of the 25.4 Elite stems, so maybe think of this as an opportunity to go 31.8? 25.4 may be a bit of a dying breed if that's any indication.
    Let me get your opinion on this, then. The reason I was looking for a 25.4 bar instead of a 31.8 is because I thought it would add a bit more damping and a small amount of flex to help soak up the REALLY rooty conditions where I ride. The bike came w/ an aluminum O/S Riserbar and I thought it was just a bit too rigid.

    I like the Salsa Cromoto Stem and that only comes in 25.4. I'm not closed minded... what would you do?
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    Dead set on carbon?

    Why don't you give James at Black Sheep a call? Word is that he makes anything you want, and folks seem to say that Ti bars ride reeeeaaaaalllllllll nice. Can't imagine that a wide, flat bar would be too expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    You'll like the 11 only till the money you try the 17.

    Do get a really long stem. Add 20mm over a regular flat bar.
    I had an 11deg. on my Sultan and just could'nt get my hands comfortable. I went from a 70 to 90mm stem. The 70 was too short and the 90 too long. I would have to switch from Thomson to purchase an 80mm. My hands just did'nt rest right on the bars. When using my 7 or 9deg bars and 70 stem my hands are comfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSingleGuy
    Why don't you give James at Black Sheep a call? Word is that he makes anything you want, and folks seem to say that Ti bars ride reeeeaaaaalllllllll nice. Can't imagine that a wide, flat bar would be too expensive.

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    +1 for Ti. Seven will also make you a nice flatbar with any degree of sweep you desire for ~150 which depending on where you get your carbon can be about the same...

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    thomson stopped producing 25.4 stems??? dang.

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    I've got the 17 degree, 25.4.

    Its funny you mention flex. I've had Ti bars, alum bars and carbon bars and when I got this thing (Way cheap at Jenson) and this thing flexxes more than the Ti or carbon bars I've ridden. I was going to run it on a hardtail but chose instead to go rigid due to the comfort.

    Not sure how this one would compare with the 31.8 in 17 degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tbone
    Its funny you mention flex. I've had Ti bars, alum bars and carbon bars and when I got this thing (Way cheap at Jenson) and this thing flexxes more than the Ti or carbon bars I've ridden. I was going to run it on a hardtail but chose instead to go rigid due to the comfort.

    Not sure how this one would compare with the 31.8 in 17 degree.

    Carbon or Aluminum??

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    25.4 bars...

    Flex more than the OS bar regardless if they are Al or carbon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgsatl
    thomson stopped producing 25.4 stems??? dang.
    Double dang... 31.8 works for some applications, but IMO it seems a lot like the industry pushing 27 speed drive trains...

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    I have a couple of Salsa Pro Moto aluminum bars in 11°. They definitely have some flex, so if you're really opposed to that, steer clear. On the other hand, I don't mind the flex. What it takes away when really cranking on the bars, it gives back in ride quality. I think they give a better ride than my 25.4 Monkey Lite carbon bar. And they are cheap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longfellow Mafia
    Carbon or Aluminum??

    ALuminum. 35 bucks. Only drawback is the width - only 660 wide but their growing on me. The bend is pretty comfy.


    http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...+Flat+Bar.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thylacine
    Thomson has stopped production of the 25.4 Elite stems,
    I looked at the LH Thomson site, and tried Google, but no hits. Can you substantiate this? Not that I do not believe you, but the ultimate source of that info would be appreciated. You know how rumors and misinformation run rampant in this business.
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    You guys are great. It seems everyone really likes their Salsa Bars, so maybe I can learn to live w/ a bit more narrow bar. CARBON or ALUMINUM -- Is the $105 (at speedgoat) Carbon bar worth the extra $70bucks? I'm not nearly as concerned w/ weight as I am w/ ride quality. (I'd like to soak up some roots).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher_CK
    You guys are great. It seems everyone really likes their Salsa Bars, so maybe I can learn to live w/ a bit more narrow bar. CARBON or ALUMINUM -- Is the $105 (at speedgoat) Carbon bar worth the extra $70bucks? I'm not nearly as concerned w/ weight as I am w/ ride quality. (I'd like to soak up some roots).

    Thanks all...
    Carbon $99.95 at CBO.
    Alu for $39.95 at CBO.

    So $60.00. Those I know using carbon feel it is worth the higher cost for more comfort.
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    Do you use bar ends? If so - stick with aluminum, otherwise, I'd go carbon. Just make sure to use a torque wrench on the headset/brake clamps and all is good.

    I ran a carbon Truvativ Hellbent on my 5x5 for a while, was cautious with the torque and managed to sell the bar later on with nary a mark on it from installation. Carbon resale value is a bit better than the Al.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher_CK
    Let me get your opinion on this, then. The reason I was looking for a 25.4 bar instead of a 31.8 is because I thought it would add a bit more damping and a small amount of flex to help soak up the REALLY rooty conditions where I ride. The bike came w/ an aluminum O/S Riserbar and I thought it was just a bit too rigid.

    I like the Salsa Cromoto Stem and that only comes in 25.4. I'm not closed minded... what would you do?
    Steel stems make no sense. You're adding weight for no gain - even an average 40 buck forged Aluminium stem will be stiffer and lighter.

    I think if you want cush, you're better off with a bigger front tyre, and if that doesn't work for you, then more/better suspension.

    In terms of the Thomson 'rumour', my US supplier said that Thomson had sold all remaining stock to BTI, and I have no reason to not believe him. If you really want to know from the horses mouth, I guess you could call Thomson and ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher_CK
    CARBON or ALUMINUM.

    Thanks all...
    Mountain Bike Action just tested alum vs carbon bars, and covered up the bars so they couldn't tell which they were riding. As I recall, all four testers could easily tell the difference and preferred the carbon. They used the same brand nearly identical dimensions/design.

    Btw, some shock-absorbing grips can make a surprising difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenLightGo
    Do you use bar ends? If so - stick with aluminum, otherwise, I'd go carbon. Just make sure to use a torque wrench on the headset/brake clamps and all is good.

    I ran a carbon Truvativ Hellbent on my 5x5 for a while, was cautious with the torque and managed to sell the bar later on with nary a mark on it from installation. Carbon resale value is a bit better than the Al.
    I don't use bar ends... I'm trying to decide what the best combination for me is. I don't necessarily HAVE to go w/ a flat bar, I can swap the stem upside down too... So I'm trying to decide if the carbon riser (that's a bit wider) would work well for me. I'm so indecisive.
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    I really like my 25.4 carbon promoto bar. I've run it for almost 2 years now. The 11d fits me well, uncut on a SS with bar ends. I'm 5'8".

    I had the aluminum version of the same bar, and my hands got killed riding rigid. Put the carbon bar on there, and NO more killed hands the very nice ride, and all rides after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thylacine
    Steel stems make no sense. You're adding weight for no gain - even an average 40 buck forged Aluminium stem will be stiffer and lighter.

    I think if you want cush, you're better off with a bigger front tyre, and if that doesn't work for you, then more/better suspension.

    In terms of the Thomson 'rumour', my US supplier said that Thomson had sold all remaining stock to BTI, and I have no reason to not believe him. If you really want to know from the horses mouth, I guess you could call Thomson and ask.
    i might just drive down there and ask. and 'get' some free samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher_CK
    You guys are great. It seems everyone really likes their Salsa Bars, so maybe I can learn to live w/ a bit more narrow bar. CARBON or ALUMINUM -- Is the $105 (at speedgoat) Carbon bar worth the extra $70bucks? I'm not nearly as concerned w/ weight as I am w/ ride quality. (I'd like to soak up some roots).

    Thanks all...
    i have the flat 11 degree ones. personally, i think they're a bit narrow. not too bad....but i like a wider stance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho
    I really like my 25.4 carbon promoto bar. I've run it for almost 2 years now. The 11d fits me well, uncut on a SS with bar ends. I'm 5'8".
    rensho, I was looking at the promoto carbon bars, but I wanted to use bar ends, and the Salsa web site said not to use bar ends on any of their carbon bars. Any special tips for using bar ends on these bars? What bar ends do you use with them? TIA.

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    wow!

    Today I had the first ride on the salsa pro moto carbon 17 deg bars, wow, instant Karma!

    I kept the same stem because I don't have a longer one on hand and it did just great. I could feel my shoulders and wrists were a lt more relaxed, and I felt no loss of control whatsoever compared to the titec flat bar I had before. The only downside is that it felt harder to lay the bike when carving turns, but I guess it's because I have to get used to them.

    All in all, I'm super impressed

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    Quote Originally Posted by andy m
    rensho, I was looking at the promoto carbon bars, but I wanted to use bar ends, and the Salsa web site said not to use bar ends on any of their carbon bars. Any special tips for using bar ends on these bars? What bar ends do you use with them? TIA.
    I use the weightweenie barends on them. http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...+Bar+Ends.aspx
    These are light, but the suck as barends. I'm a glutton for punishment.

    Most of my friends, Francois too, uses the CaneCreek ergos. I love the shape and feel of these. These have a good clamp design, and I personally don't worry about these on a carbon bar.

    Not speaking for Salsa, but I feel they are saying no to the standard single pinch bolt aluminum bar ends of the past. As the installer can crank down on the bolt and easily crack/crush the end of the bar. Salsa puts a plastic plug in there, but it really isn't a structural item.

    Friends of mine worry about their carbon barends, and buy aluminum plugs that are made to go in the ends. These give much more structural integrity to the ends. Specialized makes some plugs I've seen.

    Frankly, if the end of the bar breaks, what's the worst that could happen at that point? The bar gets a little shorter on that side, and you may need to buy a new bar. It doesn't strand you. You may hit yourself in the face while holding your barend though, on some He-man SS superclimb if it snaps.

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