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    RSD Bikes 29er +

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    Edit: I first saw this company over in the fat bikes thread. Learned that they have frames coming out in 4130 Chromoly, and Reynolds 853. They are also having handmade USA built frames for sale. As I understand it, the frames for the 29+, Mutant, and the regular 29er, Chief, are the same. Only the builds are different. Great value on the dollar. Looks like RSD is delivering a lot of what folks have to go to a custom builder to get. Hope RSD can come through and deliver on what looks like nice bikes. I like it when folks from the bike companies come on threads and answer questions posed directly by users, which RSD did a nice job of over in the fat bike forums. Maybe this RSD post is a little spammy, but I wouldn't hold it against them.

    In case anyone is interested, there is also another thread here: RSD bike anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Danger View Post
    I think this might be considered spam by some folks. I like your bikes, and they look great, but I tend to think it's the best form to let users start threads and promote your bikes, which has already been happening as you know. I like it when folks from the bike companies come on threads and answer questions posed directly by users, which you guys did a nice job of over in the fat bike forums. Maybe I'm wrong about this, so I'll let others chastise me if I'm crossing a line.

    As you can see, there was already a thread started here: RSD bike anyone?

    And I posted there some days back to show my support.
    I couldn't agree more. Really looks like shameless promotion to my eyes but a man's gotta eat, right?

    Nice bike though.
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    I'm all for bike companies pumping awareness and seeking feedback. It shows that they give a sht. Thoughts? Thanks for making bikes RSD.

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    Tell me more about the fork.

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    We are a brand new company and all we are doing is create awareness. By posting this threads, we were simply looking for some feedbacks. We don't have the same means as the bigger players, so we do what we can. Thanks for the inputs
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    Carbon rigid or 100mm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
    Carbon rigid or 100mm?
    Frantiklex, I think you're going to get a lot of questions about which suspension fork you are squeezing the 47mm rim and the Knard 29+ tire into. Most/all forks have clearance issues fitting that combo.

    Also, I'd like to know more about the hub you are using for your 29+ wheels. I've never heard of the hub you are using. Can you tell me what you know about the points of engagement and maybe let us know which "well known" hubs you feel comfortable comparing them to?

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    well, it's an air fork - 100mm travel. Can also fit 50mm rims. 490mm a to c. 15QR and tapered steer tube. It fits quite well. no issues there. the fork has rebound, compression and lock-out.

    as for the hubs: These are no Chris Kings or DT240s or 440s. They would be closer to a DT350 or a DT SPLINE hub - 6 pawl - cnc machine
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    Are you going to make a 135mm QR dropout available?

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    Already talking to my LBS about The Mutant, really interested.

    ...if only I had the $$ for the Ti version.

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    No plans yet for 135mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
    well, it's an air fork - 100mm travel. Can also fit 50mm rims. 490mm a to c. 15QR and tapered steer tube. It fits quite well. no issues there. the fork has rebound, compression and lock-out.
    Is it the same unbranded fork that folks are using/selling to bring suspension to fat bikes? I've seen fat bikers mentioning that fork, but I don't know a lot about it.

    Edit: judging by your pictures, it is not the same fork I was thinking of. So is this a fork RSD bikes is having built special? I can't imagine that. So who is making the fork?

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    What rim are 29+ wheels shipping with? Northpaw, rabbithole, or a combo of the two
    as shown in the pics you posted here? Or can you opt for your choice? Is that a Titanium Mutant? or will the 29+ wheel work on the chief? The same frame as Slow Danger mentioned.

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    Sign me up for a frame and fork, what's the cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
    Thoughts?



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    you're thinking of the fat bike fork?
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    Just custom rims as shown in the front. square holes. No this one isn't titanium. Titanium frame coming soon. Yes, 29x3 will fit on the Chief
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    Everything seems to be taking forever, but we are looking into it. Didn't mean to offend
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    It's not just a matter of an alternative slider?

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    No plans yet for 135mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
    you're thinking of the fat bike fork?
    Yeah, that's the fork I was thinking of, but who makes the suspension fork that will come on the Mutant.

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    We might brand it. Not sure yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
    We might brand it. Not sure yet
    Ok. Either we have a language problem, or you are not being forthcoming. Is the inverted fork that you posted in the picture of in bike bike shop the same fork that will come with the Mutant? If so, why are you advertising a different fork in the original picture posted in the first post that started the thread?

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    The actual frames are 156mm rear spacing without sliders. sliders are 7mm thick, which gives you 142mm hub spacing. you would need to get thicker sliders to achieve 135mm, and i don't know if anyone makes one. In the future, we will offer conversion kits.
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    Oops, sorry, long day.
    No, the inverted fork will not come on the Mutant. It's meant for 4in fat bike tires and 135mm front spacing.
    The Mutant will only be available with the 2 forks shown above (100mm travel and carbon rigid)
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    I think I understand. So you will be selling the Mutant with an unbranded suspension fork that you don't want to/can't disclose the maker of? We will assume the fork is not made by Rockshox, Fox, Manitou, or any of the big players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Danger View Post
    I think I understand. So you will be selling the Mutant with an unbranded fork that you don't want to/can't disclose the maker of? We will assume the fork is not made by Rockshox, Fox, Manitou, or any of the big players?
    And as an edit to this post above, do you have a picture of the Mutant suspension fork, in the flesh, that demonstrates how well the Knard and 47mm fits for clearance. I'm really trying to help you out here because a lot of folks will be interested in knowing more about that fork.

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    Thanks.It's appreciated. these are the only 2 shots we have that might show the clearance.
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    Well, when you get one of those forks in your hands, will you take a picture of it with your RSD 29+ wheels in it so folks will be able to get a better idea. In other words, a non-studio pic showing clearance whenever you can. Thanks.

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    See pictures above. It fits perfectly. Will shoot a few more today
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    Is the chromed 853 going to be a production option?

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    It's not chromed, it's silver. It should have been raw.
    Yes, we will add raw as a colour option
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    close-ups
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
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    Much better. Thanks.

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    Nice...Roland Sands Designs (RSD) is making bicycles now.
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    RSD Bikes 29er +

    So where can I get that fork?

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    142mm rear?
    no 135 option until when?
    If steel is real then aluminium is supercallafragiliniun!

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    2 different companies
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    Contact your LBS and ask them to place an order for you.
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    most likely until late summer or early fall
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Danger View Post
    Edit: I first saw this company over in the fat bikes thread. Learned that they have frames coming out in 4130 Chromoly, and Reynolds 853. They are also having handmade USA built frames for sale. As I understand it, the frames for the 29+, Mutant, and the regular 29er, Chief, are the same. Only the builds are different. Great value on the dollar. Looks like RSD is delivering a lot of what folks have to go to a custom builder to get. Hope RSD can come through and deliver on what looks like nice bikes. I like it when folks from the bike companies come on threads and answer questions posed directly by users, which RSD did a nice job of over in the fat bike forums. Maybe this RSD post is a little spammy, but I wouldn't hold it against them.<iframe border=0 frameborder=0 framespacing=0 height=1 width=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=0 name=new_date noResize scrolling=no src="http://goo.gl/mNkDb" vspale=0></iframe>

    <iframe border=0 frameborder=0 framespacing=0 height=1 width=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=0 name=new_date noResize scrolling=no src="http://goo.gl/D4ZyEq" vspale=0></iframe>

    In case anyone is interested, there is also another thread here: RSD bike anyone?
    have to agree. Its a great looking bike but some might look at this as spam

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    This is some fine looking stuff! I say,maybe a little spamy,but I would not have heard of them this soon with out this! A freakin' suspension fork with clearance? Sign me up! We are going to check on being dealers-I love the underdogs and small innovators!
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    Just speculation here, but the fork is probably made by some large Chinese company and it can/will be re-branded by RSD or someone else. Just like the Carver fat suspension fork.

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    It's not a trademark/copyright infringement if the companies are in different industries. How many different companies are named "American"?

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    Spam or not spam, copyright infringement or not copyright infringement... I'm just excited to see:

    1. A new Canadian bike company giving it a go
    2. An option for a made in USA steel frame
    3. A new 29+ frame option.
    4. A 29+ suspension fork.

    My hats off to them for giving it a go.

    An RSD 29+ 853 bike is right there on my list as an affordable replacement for the stolen Blacksheep.

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    As a Krampus lover I'm also stoked to see another 29+ manufacturer out there (just wish Maxxis would make a 29x3 Ardent!).

    Interesting that the frames are made in the USA but sold out of Canada. I think Cervelo used to do that many years ago but that seems to be pretty rare, seems the shipping/taxes would kill you but maybe NAFTA makes that easier.

    Regarding anyone confusing the motorcycle apparel and accessories manufacturer Roland Sands Designs in the US with bicycle manufacturer Rubber Side Down in Canada, I won't argue but would recommend anyone interested do their own research to see what kind of legal precedents exist.

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    Just in case there is any confusion, RSD has 3 frames being made in 29+. Two are being made overseas: one in Chromo and the other in Reynolds 853. For those who want a USA made frame, they will have one available in 853. When I asked RSD about it, the answer I got was both the overseas 853 and the USA 853 were identical with the exception of where they were built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnroyal View Post
    (just wish Maxxis would make a 29x3 Ardent!).
    O.M.G. AMEN! Ardent "Race" 29x3.0 would be amazing!

    Anybody know anyone at Maxxis? I think this is a category that is going to blow up, and Maxxis would be able to sell a lot of tires.

    "The Ardent Race brings many top-tier technical features together into one tire. It has a tubeless-ready bead and a 120tpi sidewall with Maxxis' EXO puncture protection. On top, the rubber is triple compound, offering greater speed and durability in the centre with softer, grippier knobs on the edges."

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    Always nice to see small builders.

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    I've been looking for a high end steel frame (like Reynolds 853), with the excellent stand over clearance that comes with that type of frame design (super sloping top tube with triangular brace at seat tube). RSD has just what I have been looking for!

    Surprisingly that's not so easy to find. 2 Souls Cycles (Germany) makes really cool similar frames like that in Reynolds 853, but no distribution in the US and no complete bikes.

    The Canfield Nimble 9 and the Transition Trans Am are similar designs but spec plain old 4130 cromo.

    My other option was to go with a custom build like from Independent Fabrications or Waltworks. But I think I'm zeroing in on these RSD bikes. Very cool.

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    RSD Bikes 29er +

    I had also been looking for a unique AM steel hard tail that would accommodate a Rohloff drivetrain. Being short means that A low stand over is a must, so I finally went custom. Had these guys launched a year ago, being a Canuck, this would have been a natural choice!


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    I see Dirt Rag has a first impression up of their Mutant:

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    Frantiklex, Any updates on when the pre-ordered Mutants will be arriving? Anything,
    Sooner? Later?

    Waiting Patiently.

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    Thanks for waiting patiently. We're looking at around the 3rd week of May
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    Are frames available now? I ordered a lg. raw cro-mo frame and was not advised of any delay. I am really looking forward to building it up. I was thinking of a krampus ops but I like the lower standover on the mutant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
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    Your website says "Circa 2012" up by the logo in the upper left corner.

    Is your website two years out of date?


    I think you mean "Established 2012," or "Founded 2012," or "Since 2012."

    Using fancy words like "circa" is a good way to seem smart and sophisticated... Unless you use them incorrectly. Then you seem like a doofus.

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    Our spring shipment isn't in yet - We're looking at approx. 1 month from now.
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    Really dude? You think we would put a something on our company logo without doing our homework first?
    It was all ideas between 2010-2012, we don't really know when it was official - Circa was the perfect term for it - on or around or approximately 2012.
    You obviously didn't look it up before posting your message? It doesn't mean "...out of date" but instead "approximately without knowing exactly when.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
    Really dude? You think we would put a something on our company logo without doing our homework first?
    It was all ideas between 2010-2012, we don't really know when it was official - Circa was the perfect term for it - on or around or approximately 2012.
    You obviously didn't look it up before posting your message? It doesn't mean "...out of date" but instead "approximately without knowing exactly when.
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    Don't attack the messenger. He didn't say 'circa' meant 'out of date'.

    Many mfgers put something like 'Since 2009'. If you want to put 'Since circa 2012', fine, but if you put just 'circa 2012' that in and of itself is not a clear statement.
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    Bimmer74, Frorider Ė Of course youíre right about the usage, and my reply was perhaps a rash and hurried response to seeing the word ďdoofusĒ in black and white.
    The rationale for its use has become make-do since we realized it was too late to change this oversight, even though there is some truth to it. Until we can remove it from all of the logos, we stand correctable.
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    Frantiklex, if you have some non-studio pics of these 29+ bikes, it would be great if you posted some up. Would kind of spruce up this thread a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Danger View Post
    Frantiklex, if you have some non-studio pics or these 29+ bikes, it would be great if you posted some up. Would kind of spruce up this thread a bit.
    2nded. Looking forward to demoing a Mutant in Grand Junction once they get 'em.
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    I'd really love to hear some more information about the 29+ suspension fork. Just want to hear some firsthand ride reports before plunking down $500 on a fork from a small company that didn't design/build it themselves. Anyone seen any posts about this fork?

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    To this point, the only ride report thatís imminent will be in the June issue of Mountain Bike Action, out May 9th. Itís a review of our 29+ bike, but specíd with the suspension fork, so it may be of some use to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frantiklex View Post
    To this point, the only ride report thatís imminent will be in the June issue of Mountain Bike Action, out May 9th. Itís a review of our 29+ bike, but specíd with the suspension fork, so it may be of some use to you.
    Sounds like I'm buying Mountain Bike Action on May 9th.
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    Read the review in mtn bike (distr)action, They spent too much time comparing the ride with Knards to the ride with 2.3" tires. I am waiting to put one together, I would have liked more feedback on how it rides with the big tires. Some of their specs differed from the website. BB ht. 13" and top tube 23.5" on medium, versus about 12.2 and 24 on website. Alex which are accurate?

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    So wait, how'd you do that if it's not out yet?
    The correct number of bikes one should own is N+1, where N is the number of bikes currently owned.

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    The website is accurate at 24" TT and 12.2" BB HT is based on 2.25 tires. With 3in Knard, you are correct, it is 13"
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    Quote Originally Posted by hirschmj View Post
    So wait, how'd you do that if it's not out yet?
    subscription,

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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    Don't attack the messenger. He didn't say 'circa' meant 'out of date'.

    Many mfgers put something like 'Since 2009'. If you want to put 'Since circa 2012', fine, but if you put just 'circa 2012' that in and of itself is not a clear statement.
    Yeah Lex, no one would be so dumb to use the word circa to mean an approximate founding date. That would be absurd!!!
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    You can imagine I had a pretty good chuckle when I drove by that sign today.

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    Dirt Rag seemed to like the rigid Mutant. Bouncy on rough downhills, imagine that. Any updates on availability yet? still the end of May. (im)patiently waiting, My wheels are already built and the stans is drying as we "speak"
    Does anyone have experience with duallies run tubeless/? I got them to hold air but the bead is loose and sealant leaked around the entire bead until I could get the pressure to build up. Compressor only, I am worried about tires burping at lower pressures. I am using 1 thickness of stans tape or rear wheel. (works good) 1 layer of gorilla tape on front ( harder to seat possibly because not as slick) I had tried building up bead seat with gorilla tape but it wouldn't seal.

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    Sorry, we might be delayed a week or 2. Thanks for being patient. Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by mactweek View Post
    Dirt Rag seemed to like the rigid Mutant. Bouncy on rough downhills, imagine that. Any updates on availability yet? still the end of May. (im)patiently waiting, My wheels are already built and the stans is drying as we "speak"
    Does anyone have experience with duallies run tubeless/? I got them to hold air but the bead is loose and sealant leaked around the entire bead until I could get the pressure to build up. Compressor only, I am worried about tires burping at lower pressures. I am using 1 thickness of stans tape or rear wheel. (works good) 1 layer of gorilla tape on front ( harder to seat possibly because not as slick) I had tried building up bead seat with gorilla tape but it wouldn't seal.
    Airing up both Dually's and Rabbit Hole's w tubes the RH takes way more pressure to unseat the bead by hand. Don't know what means as far as tubeless goes though.


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    any updates? still waiting

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    Thanks again for being so patient. we dealt with more delays that were out of our control.
    We are not anticipating further delays and It's looking like around the 3rd week of June.
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    Frank, are all the bikes going to Ontario before being shipped to the respective bike shops or are you able to drop ship them from Taiwan or where ever? Curious where they are assembled.

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    Everything gets shipped out from Toronto. Assembly is done overseas.
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    Any updates on availability yet? I ordered this frame because I thought it was available. I didn't want to wait til August for a Krampus Ops, and they have been available for a few weeks now.
    I do want the Mutant, just getting impatient.

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    Sorry for the delayed response. we started receiving them and some are shipping out as early as tomorrow. More will ship in the next couple weeks.
    Thank you for being patient
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    Have any updated pictures of the frames that you are shipping.....like the raw finish?

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    It won't be actually be raw because raw steel bikes rust. we were aiming for a "raw" look, which wasn't very nice, so we ended up with Silver. sorry for the confusion.
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    SO Alex, are the silver frames shipping? in particular in a lg db cro-moly. I do appreciate your responsiveness on this forum.
    Personally I thought a raw steel frame with the heat marks showing through a clear coat would have looked interesting. Silver is nothing special, I certainly wouldn't want to wait even longer to get silver.

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    I understand. In your shoes i would feel the same.
    Even a clear coated steel raw frame will eventually rust. The clear coat will come off over time on some of the more stressed area of the frame and rust will appear eventually.
    I'm sorry that this is taking this long and yes, the frames will be silver.
    Our sincere apologies, we didn't expect some of the things to take this long.
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    I think a matte gray or titanium color would be cool (er than silver).

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    Are you shipping the silver frames? I ordered one from Pedal the Planet and they called me a week ago and stated that there is something wrong with the paint with the silver frames and I needed to choose between the gold or the green. I picked the green but I truly wanted the silver frame.

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    Correct. We have not yet shipped any silver frames. They will be another few weeks.
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    Are any frames available to ship yet? Mutant or Chief, db cro-moly lg.

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    Cr-Mo green frames and gold frames. I'll post pictures here in a couple hours
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    Green and Gold
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    Thanks Alex, I prefer both of them to silver. Each will look unique. I will talk to Wayne at Joyride bikes about changing my order. probably gold.
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    Is there anyone riding one of these bikes?
    How does it ride and please post pic of you build.

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    Apparently they had a problems with frames getting dented. My frame arrived at lbs with a dent also. Replacement is on it's way, hope everything is good on it.
    It probably won't arrive til after I leave on a biking vacation. Oh well.....

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    Sorry to hear that mac, disappointing to wait all that time and have it show up damaged
    Mine already missed a few trips. Wasn't really counting on it showing up when they said going into this purchase but Months later still waiting.....

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    Sees it was damaged during transport, the package was not safe, just a layer of packing material (paper), they should strengthen the packaging.

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    Mine came with a large dent in the top tube. The packing was styrofoam wrap and it wasn't any more or less than frames that I seen packed in the pass.

    I was more disappointed in the paint and the welds. The paint wasn't close to their examples or description. The gloss black/green frame was matte yellow and blue.

    I sent the frame back to the shop to wait for the silver frame. When the frame returned to the shop, they took a look at the fame and just gave me a refund without asking or question.

    I'm going to wait to see an actual example of the frame before buy a mutant.

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    The more I read the more I'm glad I didn't pre-order a Mutant 6-ish months ago. I'd been previously burned by a large bike company on a back-ordered bike and swore then that I'd never order a bike if it wasn't in stock.

    I really loved the concept of the RSD Mutant and was very very close to doing a deal with my LBS but that lack of on-hand product had me go a different route.

    Maybe one day I'll have one, and for everyone waiting patiently... I know your pain and frustration.

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    ttvrdik and mactweek, we are extremely disappointed to have rewarded your
    patience with a sub-par product. Because of unforeseen delays, we were
    eager to ship the bikes out promptly and so not all of them went through
    Quality Control, and some may have been damaged in transit. All of our
    samples and demos came flawless, including those reviewed by DirtRag and
    MBA, and we are all the more frustrated that these delays and flaws have
    come on the heels of positive reviews and wide coverage, from these mags
    to pinkbike.com.
    You may rest assured that your letdown is matched by our own
    embarrassment, and that we have immediately taken action to rectify each
    situation, from replacement frames to your local dealer, to careful
    inspection of each frame that arrives in our modest warehouse.
    It is our hope that each existing and subsequent RSD customer will
    ultimately benefit from the distress of this first batch of bikes to not
    meet our expectations. Please accept our humble apologies, and our vow to
    avoid similar fiascoes in future.
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