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    Rawland Cycles Monster Crosser

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    That's just awesome.

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    great looking bike

    That bike looks great but I thought they were 650B . Are those 29er wheels?

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    Ben, that is super sweet. The fact that your 29"er tires fit makes this even more interesting, and a perfect monster crosser rig.

    So, are we gonna see these in T.I.V5? It would be a great rig for that event.
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    Holy tight fit, Batman. That is close on the front tire/crown dealie. But this is a retrofit from 650b, yes?
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    That's cool - but scary close up front.

    Why did you decide to go with 700cs instead of 650bs?

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    Good stuff Ben!

    Great looking bike Ben. How does it ride? Do you typically set up your bars that low?

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    awesome - looks like a hoot to ride!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    That's cool - but scary close up front.

    Why did you decide to go with 700cs instead of 650bs?
    Because he could.

    You'd have to know Ben. He's like that.
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    Ben, that is saweet! Clearance is a bit ummmm tight there on that XR though....at least for my taste.

    Pardon me. I'm off to view the Rawland website.
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    totally diggin the style...
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    I went with 700's simply because I do not have any 650b wheels yet. (I have to buy a wedding ring before more bike parts!)

    The Rawland is designed for 650b's, but clears smaller 29ers easily. The rear has room for Ignitors with 4mm. So anything like those, Crossmarks, small Karmas, Smallblock 8's and Crows should fit fine. The picture is bad of the front, but the XR has 4mm of clearance in the center of the tread. Clearance increases beyond this point to a full 7-8mm at the side knobs. This is plenty for how I'll be riding this bike. I don't ride in mud, we simply don't have any of note on my local trails or gravel roads. A Crossmark to match the rear would substantially increase room in the front.

    Jake, on my cross and road bikes, I do run my bars lower than this. The hoods on this bike are about level with the seat, it's really upright and comfy. The drops are totally usable, and are quite comfortable with double wrapped tape.

    Mark, I'm too fat to rid TI! I'll pitch in for support if you need any, and the bike may be up for grabs to a worthy borrower!

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    Ben,
    Looks awesome
    What is the quality of the frame like? welds? paint?

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    Quote Originally Posted by benwitt11
    I went with 700's simply because I do not have any 650b wheels yet. (I have to buy a wedding ring before more bike parts!)

    The Rawland is designed for 650b's, but clears smaller 29ers easily. The rear has room for Ignitors with 4mm. So anything like those, Crossmarks, small Karmas, Smallblock 8's and Crows should fit fine. The picture is bad of the front, but the XR has 4mm of clearance in the center of the tread. Clearance increases beyond this point to a full 7-8mm at the side knobs. This is plenty for how I'll be riding this bike. I don't ride in mud, we simply don't have any of note on my local trails or gravel roads. A Crossmark to match the rear would substantially increase room in the front.

    Jake, on my cross and road bikes, I do run my bars lower than this. The hoods on this bike are about level with the seat, it's really upright and comfy. The drops are totally usable, and are quite comfortable with double wrapped tape.

    Mark, I'm too fat to rid TI! I'll pitch in for support if you need any, and the bike may be up for grabs to a worthy borrower!

    Thanks for playing, Ben.
    very cool. Wow - congrats on the pending ring buying too. your new soon to be wife will have some cool bikes to try out if she's into riding that's for sure!

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    I think it looks great w/ the 29er wheels - roll w/ some 1.8 Bontragers or the 1.75 DryX and be happy!
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    Oh my! My favorite wheels, and then that fork crown and curved fork blades!
    Gotta sell a bike or two quick, and get one of those, NOW!

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    Thanks for the comments.

    The quality seems to be up there with other bikes like ones from Surly and the like. It is made by the same company as Surly uses, (Maxway.) I would expect overall build quality to be much the same. The powdercoat is a really nice color, something which isn't perfectly shown in the pictures.
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    Ben,
    That's one burly looking bike! Definitely looks capable of handling your style.
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    The bike is great, keep it that way!
    What would smaller wheels have to add to that?

    And keep the wife happy, from the wheelset money buy her flowers and a bracelet to go with the ring, :-)

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    I dig the mix of old and new parts. Nice build.

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    That.


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    Hot.

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    SSMike- Thanks. I traded a lady a rear rack for an old Avitar with XT thumbies and some other nice stuff. In my defence, she came in looking to just leave it with us. The cranks and der work really well, and the rear der was just laying around. It was a true parts bin build, I only needed a 118mil BB. It all plays really nice together, and I love the asethics. It was just one of those builds that just came together.

    I put about 20 miles on the bike today, and it continues to make me happy. I just have gravel and street miles on it so far, but it's really been good so far. The ride is pretty stable, but it really likes to corner. The bike feels plenty stiff, but rides really smooth. The fork legs may also be shorter than most, but they take up the bumps really well. Larger riders may feel them to be a bit flexy, but I think it's a perfect match for the purpose of this bike. I've been playing around a bit on some logs and such, and the bike is easier to throw around with the drops than I thought. My previous experiance with offroad drops was with WTB dirt drops, these left me rather unimpressed. I really like it with the more traditional bars though. It really feels like a stable, bomber CX bike.

    I'll be riding our normal loop on the bike tomorrow. It's a nice 13 miler with a lot of climbing and some pretty hairy descents. Should be a good test of the bike's full capabilities.
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    Ben - What size frame is that? Sean recommended ML Sogn for me and I'm wonder what size yours is for reference.

    Also, any more ride impressions?

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    The frame is a ML. For your information, I am long legged and have a short torso, hence the 90mm stem.

    I am really liking the bike so far. It is a lot flexier in the rear, (not a bad thing in this case,) than my current SS. The fork really has a nice ride to it, and the mix of parts I have are all playing really nice together.

    I've been screwing around town on the bike lately, letting everything settle in. Las night was it's maiden gravel voyage, and it really did well. I am very happy with how well it ride and corners. After riding it in some scetchy stuff, it became apparent that there is some toe overlap, though thus was minor and came in tech sections long after I was thoroughly worn out. My technique at that point wad pretty much out the window, which probably had a lot to do with that.

    Basically, the bike is performing exactly as it was designed too. For me, the 29er wheels are really working well, though if I continue to ride mostly gravel I'll switch to Crossmarks front and rear. If it was a custom bike, there are a few thing I would change. Really it's just made me realize the possibility of having that "one bike.". It wouldn't be this on specifically, but is furthering my thoughts on that.

    Check out my blog if you want a more detailed report if my ride last night, and for more pics and updates about the bike. Hope this helps, cheers.
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    That's a really sweet bike (even the fact that it's supposed to be a 650 thing-a-ma-jig doesn't hide that fact). Thanks for sharing.

    Get the gal one of those Ti rings. :-)

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    Not bad for Fairy Boat.
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    drudging up an old thread......what inseam are you for the m/l size? i'm 6'1" and ordered a 'L' since it was either that or a small which is all that is left i reckon.

    i've never owned a 'cross bike' so i'm hoping i fit this one o.k. figured i'd take the chance for the price.....if not i guess i can resell it and wait on them to get some m/l back in stock.
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    I am about 6' with a 33" inseam and prefer shorter TT'd bikes. The L may work rather well for you, and the price is hard to beat! I hope it works out. Cheers.
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    If that bike was SS it would be a perfect bike. Pretty damned close though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benwitt11
    I am about 6' with a 33" inseam and prefer shorter TT'd bikes. The L may work rather well for you, and the price is hard to beat! I hope it works out. Cheers.
    appreciate it ben. your blog was the first i'd come across this frame. i'm a bit taller than you with the same inseam.....so i'm a bit more optimistic than i was. i figured i'd need the longer top tube to accommadate my monkey arms.

    you still enjoying yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by umarth
    If that bike was SS it would be a perfect bike. Pretty damned close though.
    that'd be the olaf....

    http://www.rawlandcycles.com/store/i...intItemID=3420

    dragon dropouts are neat as heck.
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    New bikes are coming. They'll be really really cool. I can't say anymore now, but it'll be soon. The tire clearance is also much improved.

    You might have to buy another one just because!
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    d'oh! now you tell me.

    well, since my aluminum trail bike broke...i needed a new frame anyway. i really liked the raw finish....but $350 with that cool fork is hard to pass up.
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    The older bikes are nice as well. I love how mine rides, and think the new ones will compliment the older models quite well. The $350 price is awesome to say the least. I'm sure you won't regret your purchase. Get it built, and get some pictures!

    And yes, I love mine. It's set up in commuter mode with 35 slicks and fenders right now. The new bike will be a drop bar CX style go fast SS set up. It'll largely take over off road duty, with the geared bike playing longer distance semi touring gravel stuff.
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    i'll be throwing some 29er wheels on it i already have and some shallow drop bars and mountain bb7s to test out if i like a drop bar bike.

    if i don't, i have an albatross bar, a mary and a titec h-bar to try out....with varying shifters from thumb shifters, to click shifters to bar end shifters.

    i think i spend more time screwing around more with bike builds than i do actually riding

    i'll be sure to throw some photos in this thread once i get it in and built up.....with whatever i decide to use that week.
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    I met the owner of Rawland at Interbike this last Fall. I have to say that guy impressed me to no end. He's deaf and had a translator there helping him after he'd grab you and pull you in. Really nice guy and his stuff is nice too. We had a brief conversation or two and well...not often someone stands out as a brand or a person at Interbike the way he did.
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    Yeah, Sean is something else. He's a sleeper of a rider too, he'll just rip you legs off on a fixed gear and just smile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Ben, that is super sweet. The fact that your 29"er tires fit makes this even more interesting, and a perfect monster crosser rig.

    So, are we gonna see these in T.I.V5? It would be a great rig for that event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot
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    Very Cool bike

    Yup, 2009 bikes have been fixed in that regard. This one is close. It now wears Crossmarks front and rear which have over 10mm of clearance, plenty for MN.
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    nanoraptors fit fine...not a *ton* of room....but they're they don't touch anything. 2.35 rampages.....nu uh. but i wasn't planning on running them anyway. will be using a kenda 700x42 most of the time. just wanted to see what 29er you can fit in there.

    this is my first bike with this type of geometry...i'm sure i'll be asking some questions...
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    still working out the positioning and whatnot...

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    Finally, a monstercross with real drop bars. Not a skyscraper rise stem and pseudo drop midge bars. Good work!!!

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    hey nice ride, some cool old shimano parts. would you mind answering a couple of questions about your set up? i'm building up a similar style bike and have to make a few decisions.

    1) are the brakes you are using mountain or road bb7's (assuming)?
    2) if you are using the mountain bb7, is there any difference in using a long pull aero lever? or is performance the same? in other words should i buy a road bb7 or mountain bb7, is there a difference?
    3) what kind of gearing are you running front + rear?

    thanks for the help, i'm ressurecting an old square taper lx crank that looks to be the same era as yours. i also have the same front xt derailleur as the one on your bike that's from the same old bike in which the cranks are from. shimano parts last forever.

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    i can answer a little of that, nativeson......but ben is the resident expert on them.

    if i were purchasing, i'd buy the road bb7s to open up the different types of brake levers available to you. if you run mountain bb7s, you're limited to just a few choices....though the tektro ones i'm running work very well indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nativeson
    hey nice ride, some cool old shimano parts. would you mind answering a couple of questions about your set up? i'm building up a similar style bike and have to make a few decisions.

    1) are the brakes you are using mountain or road bb7's (assuming)?
    2) if you are using the mountain bb7, is there any difference in using a long pull aero lever? or is performance the same? in other words should i buy a road bb7 or mountain bb7, is there a difference?
    3) what kind of gearing are you running front + rear?

    thanks for the help, i'm ressurecting an old square taper lx crank that looks to be the same era as yours. i also have the same front xt derailleur as the one on your bike that's from the same old bike in which the cranks are from. shimano parts last forever.
    I would go with the road BB7's in your case. Cost will be pretty much the same and it allows you to run STI levers.
    I have both types and the performance is pretty much the same.

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    agreed...lots more options with the road bb7s. unless you decide to jump to mountain bars in the future, of course.
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    well...turns out i'm not flexible enough just yet drop bars on this bike. so i threw some h-bars on it but kept the skinny 700c tires. going to throw something a bit more robust on there to soak up some of the fireroad bumps.....

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    sorry...not sure how embedding works here

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    Check out the XDX tires in 1.8". Geometry will be spot on, and they cushion and roll really well. Great for mixed gravel, some offroad jaunts. Nice looking bike by the way!
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    thanks for the tip, ben. it's a nice ride and very versatile. going to take the wife bike camping next month after i buy a rear rack for it.
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