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    Pulled the trigger Windsor Cliff 29 PRO!

    So after weeks of searching, reading, craigslist searches, and checking out my local LBS's I finally placed my order for a Windsor Cliff 29 PRO from eBay member chicabike!

    I started out wanting a 26, not even knowing about 29ers. Thanks to this forum though I realized given my height 5' 11"- 6' and desired riding, a 29er would be the more suitable choice. Then came the component education, trips the the LBS's, and finally the weighing of options...

    The Windsor PRO 29 just seemed to have the best "Bang for the Buck". Avid Juicy 5 hydraulic brakes, RockShox Tora w/lockout (big factor), Clipless pedals, etc! My searches said it was basically a Fuji Tahoe copy which was well regarded. The silver and name Windsor aren't my favorite but I couldn't ignore the components and quality.

    On eBay the discounted price of $698.99 shipped for the 09's was only made better by the INSTANT Bing cashback of $52.80 and $13.20 Ebay Bucks, making it $632.99!! The Bing instant cashback made a BIG difference (no waiting 60 days) and the 13.20 I will have Saturday for some gear goodies.

    I'm hoping to get the bike by this weekend. It's coming from Austin to Boston. The weather should be nice and I'll add some photos and a review. I'm not a spammer or anything, I just spent the past month searching all around and hopefully my findings and choice may help some others!

    Now comes: helmet choice, bike bag, trail tools & tubes, pump, clipless shoes, etc.

    Zack

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    Tracking number was received in about 15 minutes from my order! Looks like it will be here Friday!

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    I bought one from Bikesdirect for my girl friend.
    They are a very good deal.
    Just spend some time lubing it and make sure everything is tight.

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    I had good luck with my buy from them on a Fantom 29er. The bike so far has been awesome.

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    Great bang for the buck, enjoy it!
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    i would say that a set of 8" riser bars along with a 3" steerer extender would be an awesome front end set up on that bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by iliketoridebikes
    i would say that a set of 8" riser bars along with a 3" steerer extender would be an awesome front end set up on that bike
    Enjoy your bike and ignore the chode, it is a good deal. Just go over the bike really well and double check bearing adjustments.


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    Hey awesome choice I'm thinking about doing the exact same thing. I am familar with Bing cash back but what is ebay bucks?


    Also how tow are you and what size did you get? I am 6'1" and I'm debating hte medium or the large.

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    Ebay bucks is just money that will be redeemable on future eBay purchases and is paid out quarterly I believe.

    The medium is a 19" frame, I'm 5' 11" with a 32" inseam and the Medium just touches my sack. I'd say at 6' 1" go medium, that's my guess. My 20" Rocky Mountain 26er gives me a solid 2" of clearance. The Pro was a lot bigger than I expected. It's getting all swapped over to an 18" Soul Cycles Dillinger frame though and I'll be selling the Windsor frame anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zackb911
    Now comes: helmet choice, bike bag, trail tools & tubes, pump, clipless shoes, etc.
    Get the Fox flux helmet. Its light, comfortable to wear (helmet straps aren't on your face), has lots vents keeping your noggin' cooler and most importantly better back of the head protection.

    Instead of buying bags get a Camelbak. You'll be able to carry more stuff and have a hydration system that you can drink while on the go.

    If you still want to roll with tubes, go with Slime tubes.

    Enjoy your new ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zackb911
    Ebay bucks is just money that will be redeemable on future eBay purchases and is paid out quarterly I believe.

    The medium is a 19" frame, I'm 5' 11" with a 32" inseam and the Medium just touches my sack. I'd say at 6' 1" go medium, that's my guess. My 20" Rocky Mountain 26er gives me a solid 2" of clearance. The Pro was a lot bigger than I expected. It's getting all swapped over to an 18" Soul Cycles Dillinger frame though and I'll be selling the Windsor frame anyway.
    The Windsor frames are a bit tall but ETT is a much more important way of measuring a frame than seat tube or stand over (the KM which is one of the most popular 29er frames and has been around for 8 years now has notoriously tight stand over). 29er designers are getting better about lowering the top tube but I'd rather have a frame with the right ETT and a tight stand over than a frame with good stand over but is a cramped cockpit.

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    Check out the Uvex XP 100 helmet. I have been thru four helmets, including a Fox Flux, before I stumbled upon Uvex. AWESOME helmets! Made in Germany so you know they're good Might be expensive for some, $80-$100 range, but well worth the price because of the adjustability. Fits better than my riding gloves...

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    Quick question about the brakes. Did you need to bleed the Juicy 5's or did they come pre-bled?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFYFZX
    Check out the Uvex XP 100 helmet. I have been thru four helmets, including a Fox Flux, before I stumbled upon Uvex. AWESOME helmets! Made in Germany so you know they're good Might be expensive for some, $80-$100 range, but well worth the price because of the adjustability. Fits better than my riding gloves...

    Hey - wasn't Nazism made in germany? Not sure that was good...oh and they like david hasslehof

    LOL - nice bike - I am still waiting on the FS 29er
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    How did you like the pedals it came with. I have never been a fan of clipless pedals. mainly because I have size 15 feet and its hard to find shoes I want. I am thinking I will replace them anyone have any suggestions. Perferably something cheap since I just spent all my money on the bike.

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    My coworker is look at that same bike, I would be interested to get your opinion after riding it a little.

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    I'm curious which model year Tora it comes with. Its pictured with the old one (2008 and earlier?), but the emphasize that its the NEW one. I emailed the eBay seller, and all they said was something like "IT IS THE NEW ONE, sorry if the picture might not be updated or not". Let us know when you get it which it is!

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    I just put mine together last night. Here's a link to my web album, which I haven't had time to go through. There are a few pictures of the shock, and it looks like it is the "Tora 318 Race". It is the same shock pictured in the BD stock photo.

    It has "Motion Control" lockout, rebound, and of course is the air sprung version.

    http://picasaweb.google.com/benuntu/...rCliff29erPro#




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    So what is the difference between the tora they have in the pics and this "new" version?
    It is possible for rice to absorb other odors in storage. Or could be the quality of water in it was prepared. Mahatma Rice

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    Sweet looking bike! I also see eyeletted wheels..important for added strength.

    BTW, you married guys always need to remember to convince your wife that a new bike is insurance that you will remain healthy...that and begging might work..lol.
    I like big bars and I cannot lie

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldassracer
    So what is the difference between the tora they have in the pics and this "new" version?
    I don't think there is much difference except for the MotionControl lockout feature. The fork is basically the 2009 version of this one: http://www.sram.com/node/79/brand/rockshox/src/fam

    The 2010 version has TurnKey lockout, and this one has MotionControl which I've heard is superior anyways. The proper name for the fork is Tora Race 318 RS. It is NOT new, but the 2009 model so BD should change their product page. But I'm happy with it, and it seems like a very responsive and plush fork. I'll be posting a longer review of my own about the assembly and first couple ride experiences tonight. I've taken some more pics with a water bottle cage and pump...time for a 2+ hour ride in Bidwell Park!


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    Placed my order yesterday at my LBS which actually happens to be Bikes Direct here in Jacksonville. Though I ordered the "Comp" just cause I have a baby on the way and can't afford any more. Im new to mountain bikes and got sucked in by some of my friends. Your bike looks amazing!!! good luck and have fun!!

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    Yea I will definitly fill ya in on that one. The bike shipped right after I paid, it will be here friday. I will fill ya in with all my experiences.

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    Windsor Cliff

    I wanted to try a 29 but didnt want to spend a ton of money beings that I have other expensive bikes. I started in November and saved change untill Feb and used that to buy the Cliff Comp. I,ve now logged about 500 miles on the bike and can honestly say I love it. Even with the Dart 3 fork it rides good. rear end a little sharp on hits but hey I'm 6'4 235lbs. Put the first scratch in the paint today screwing around in a rock garden. My bad. This bike is well worth the 500. I spent and now can only wonder what im missing from not owning a GF Rumblefish........ Might be selling my collection to get that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motomatt77
    How did you like the pedals it came with. I have never been a fan of clipless pedals. mainly because I have size 15 feet and its hard to find shoes I want. I am thinking I will replace them anyone have any suggestions. Perferably something cheap since I just spent all my money on the bike.
    I have the Pro with the Xpedo MF-3 pedals. They are nice, positive clip in and are easy to get out of in a hurry. I also wear a 15, so I hear you on finding some larger shoes. I ordered mine directly from Lake MX165 for $100. Might be something less expensive out there, but Lake makes good shoes. After riding clipless for the past year I wouldn't go back. You feel so much more secured to the bike which helps on climbs and bumpy downhill sections.

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    I just got my Cliff Comp on Friday. First ride Shasta Lemurian Intermediate course. What a great bike! Love it so far, and now am 29er only. (New one and Stout Se). Can't imagine going back to 26ers now!

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    Good advice above about checking the preload on all the bearings, I'd go one step further to say immediately grease all bearings. I just serviced the rear wheel hub and found the drive side was missing on of the ball bearings! Everything looked good so I stole one from a parts bike.

    That said I am very happy with my Pro!

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    I'm 6'1" with 34" inseam, 210lbs but trying to get back down to 180-190lbs. like I once was at. I've got long legs, long arms and regular torso. What size Windsor 29er would fit me? I've been looking at other 29ers locally and can't afford them. I'm looking at the Windsor PRO model. I forgot to ask if the seller "chicabike" is also BikesDirect for warranty purposes. They're not selling the Windsor PRO right now, only the COMP. I want to do ebay for Bing cashback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superorb
    I'm 6'1" with 34" inseam, 210lbs but trying to get back down to 180-190lbs. like I once was at. I've got long legs, long arms and regular torso. What size Windsor 29er would fit me? I've been looking at other 29ers locally and can't afford them. I'm looking at the Windsor PRO model.
    I would go with a 19" aka Medium. I have a 19" and with a 32-33" inseam I have no real standover room. The bike feels a little too big to me.

    If I could go back I would have got a 17" for myself, I'm in the process of swapping mine to a 18" Soul Cycles Dillinger frame.

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    Yeah, definitely go with a Medium. The Small is good for 5'8"-5'11" I'd say, or over that if you like a cramped cockpit. Medium would be perfect for up to 6'4", as it has a 31.7" standover. It would be perfect to give you 1-2" of space between bar and junk. Large goes up to 33", and while you could technically fit you'd probably be knockin nuts.

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    Thanks guys. Now, does anyone know how the warranty works if I need to use it since the seller isn't BikesDirect.com?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superorb
    Thanks guys. Now, does anyone know how the warranty works if I need to use it since the seller isn't BikesDirect.com?
    Not sure about that one, I think chicabike would be the best one to answer that question. I've only ordered using BD before. Why are you going with chicabike? Is the price better?

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    How much does the whole bike weigh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    How much does the whole bike weigh?
    My small (17") frame with pedals was 30#.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoHeadsBrewing
    Not sure about that one, I think chicabike would be the best one to answer that question. I've only ordered using BD before. Why are you going with chicabike? Is the price better?
    On chicabike and bikesdirect:

    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/sho...36&postcount=7

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireflock
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoHeadsBrewing
    Not sure about that one, I think chicabike would be the best one to answer that question. I've only ordered using BD before. Why are you going with chicabike? Is the price better?
    Since the sale was on ebay I can get 8% cashback through Bing.com which makes it roughly $650 shipped as opposed to $700 shipped form BD.com. She's not selling the Windsor PRO right now though

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    I was thinking about the Windsor 29er, however, I decided to go with a Rockhopper from my local LBS. I just wanted to get the free tuneups, and I like the way the Rockhopper looks compared to the Windsor. A couple extra bucks, but, no biggie.
    It is good to know I would have ended up with an excellent bike if I had gone the other way.

    I had a single speed from BD, a Dawes - really good bike.

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    Its amazing how much trash gets talked on Windsor and Motobecane. I just got a Windsor Cliff 29.1 last week. I made a couple mods right out of the box. Its my first single speed and I'm thrilled with how it rode on its first ride out on Sunday. If you can't drop a ton of cash, these bikes are the way to go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72
    The Windsor frames are a bit tall but ETT is a much more important way of measuring a frame than seat tube or stand over (the KM which is one of the most popular 29er frames and has been around for 8 years now has notoriously tight stand over). 29er designers are getting better about lowering the top tube but I'd rather have a frame with the right ETT and a tight stand over than a frame with good stand over but is a cramped cockpit.
    Well said.

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    I was reading reviews of the Avid Juicy 5 brakes and they got terrible reviews. Can anyone comment on them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superorb
    I was reading reviews of the Avid Juicy 5 brakes and they got terrible reviews. Can anyone comment on them?
    I like them...a lot! There was some squeaking after the first ride, but the caliper just needed to be centered:

    1. Loosen the caliper mounting bolts (the ones that allow horizontal movement). Do this just enough to allow movement, but not all the way out.
    2. Squeeze the brake, and hold down the lever.
    3. Tighten the bolts.

    That's pretty much standard for new bikes out of the box, or so my LBS mechanic told me. Other than that, they are smooth, silent and powerful. Actually, almost every other disc brake bike I saw last weekend had some noticable brake noise...but not mine.

    So far, so good! Oh yeah, don't forget to follow the "Bedding" procedure outlined in the manual. If you don't, it's a good bet you'll have some noise later.

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    ^^ Thanks

    Oh, I checked on ebay and Chicasbikes has the Windsor PRO back up, looks like $657 shipped after BCB (Bing cashback).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portland PA Rider
    Its amazing how much trash gets talked on Windsor and Motobecane. I just got a Windsor Cliff 29.1 last week. I made a couple mods right out of the box. Its my first single speed and I'm thrilled with how it rode on its first ride out on Sunday. If you can't drop a ton of cash, these bikes are the way to go!
    I haven't seen too many people with the 29.1 - any thoughts on the bike and could you maybe post pictures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyrda
    I haven't seen too many people with the 29.1 - any thoughts on the bike and could you maybe post pictures?
    I had a GF X-Caliber demo last fall and fell in love with it. I tried to get my LBS to get one for me but it never happened. I gave up and decided to wait for the 2011. The Cliff seems to handle pretty comparable. It is a little heavy because of the wheelset. I'm keeping my eyes open for an affordable upgrade. The aluminum frame seems to absorb the trail well. I'm really digging it. I have never been on a SS before so I have nothing to compare it to.

    I'll try to get some trail pics on my next ride. All I have is a pic from my shop after I put it together.
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    Hey...I just signed up for the bing thing but I'm having trouble figuring out how it works. Could you walk me through it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ymerej1881
    Hey...I just signed up for the bing thing but I'm having trouble figuring out how it works. Could you walk me through it?
    When I did it I just went to the bing.com shopping page and searched for an item that was on ebay...for example this link:

    http://www.bing.com/shopping/PowerSh...rch?q=ebay&p1=[CommerceService%20scenario%3d%22o%22%20docid%3d%22 DCBA582F647A5E24CFA2%22%20a%3d%22pa%22]&wf=Commerce&FORM=

    Click on "Go to Store" on one of the ebay links and that should get you to ebay through bing...from there you just find your item (in this case it would be the Windsor Cliff 29er Pro, I assume) on ebay and purchase with paypal.

    **MAKE SURE you have the "Microsoft Cashback" logo next to the ebay logo at the top left of the page**

    Hope that helps...let me know if I didn't explain it well enough.

    EDIT: The link above only gets you halfway there...you'll have to click on an item from the search results (I know the 4th item down works...Cannon PowerShot), click "See all" under the "Where to Buy" option," THEN click "Go to Store" under one of the ebay results for "seller name."

    There has to be an easier way, but I can tell you this works because it's how I did it. See if that works for you.

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    That works! thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portland PA Rider
    I had a GF X-Caliber demo last fall and fell in love with it. I tried to get my LBS to get one for me but it never happened. I gave up and decided to wait for the 2011. The Cliff seems to handle pretty comparable. It is a little heavy because of the wheelset. I'm keeping my eyes open for an affordable upgrade. The aluminum frame seems to absorb the trail well. I'm really digging it. I have never been on a SS before so I have nothing to compare it to.

    I'll try to get some trail pics on my next ride. All I have is a pic from my shop after I put it together.
    Cool, thanks.

    The rear brake cable routing on the side of the top tube looks a bit sketchy, I haven't seen any other frames with routing like that... Otherwise the 29.1 seems pretty nice.

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    took my windsor comp out for its first real ride at Hanna Park in Jacksonville on Saturday. Im 6'2'' 230lbs 33 inch inseam. I got the 19inch and it feels absolutely perfect!!! I love this bike!! It weighs exactly 30#s.

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