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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    We are talking about a Cumby trip 21 & 22 April. I'd like to see the Moxie in action Travis.
    That would be cool for you since Travis is so behind on photo updates. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding View Post
    That would be cool for you since Travis is so behind on photo updates. LOL
    I'll get a year's supply of Moxie pics for y'all.
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    So far this is the best we could do.
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    Wet again.
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    Yay, pictures! Looks like you are having fun.

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    Dirty Moxie.
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    Looking good Travis.
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    Nice, that's the way it should be. Got any more feedback on the 29er vs 27.5+ yet?

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    I am not seeing a downside to 27.5+ with the 2.8 Butchers besides the lower BB. The lower BB is a double edged sword, more pedal strikes, but lower COG. I am thinking of installing 165mm cranks for clearance.
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    Good and dirty.


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    Mine now with:
    - XT brakes - more out of vanity than nothing, the BB7s were actually nice brakes
    - 170mm Reverb - the PRO Koryak was short and started developing problems

    Will add a Oneup Bash Guide this week and I'm done with it.
    Might try a -2 angleset in the future just to play a bit and maybe one of those new Marzocchi Z1 Bombers by the end of the year if the reviews turn up to be good.


    Had another "OH F@CK" moment today where the Moxies' length saved the day. Was riding a technical trail and got a line wrong, causing me to arrive to a 80cm or more drop at stall speed. Decided to commit and try to roll it. Don't know how, but managed to clear it.
    One thing is certain, will never have another bike with a <800mm front center
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    I agree, the length will save your ass on occasion.
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    That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about

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    Which tyre size do you think is better for my situation? 27.5*2.6 or 2.8?
    I have to ride about 7 miles tarmac that include some steep climb to the local trail. And the tyre I'm aiming is Maxxis Rekon.

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    I'd go with a 29 tyre

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ze_Zaskar View Post
    I'd go with a 29 tyre
    Thanks for the suggestion!
    Does 29er feels harder to throwing around on this bike?
    And does 29er feels bumpier on rocky sections or not?
    Btw, I'm 5"10.
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    I have 29 Maxxis WT DHR/DHF and 27.5+ 2.8 Specialized Butchers. So far I prefer the plus wheels. Even on the road they are not slow and they do have more cushioning so I get less beat up. The BB is pretty low which cuts both ways. I saw a Chromag Rootdown the other day with 3.0 High Rollers which will raise the BB and I may try some bigger rubber next winter.
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    Have the beating up problem on my 26" AM hardtail, too. It sounds like I will go plus tires for the build. You have a great opinion for me!
    Btw, you might have to check the dimensions of 3.0 High Rollers and the frame. The website says the maximum size of tire the Moxie can take is 2.8 for 27.5 wheel. And I think the reason of the limit is for mud clearance. If you are riding in muddy area, 3.0 tires might cause you some problems.

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    I am still buzzing from last night's ride. I summerized the Moxie with a 2.35 Rock Razor rear to go with the 2.5 DHF now that it's dry here. Grippy, fast, and so much fun. On my favourite trail I pulled away from my crew who were all on 27.5 FS bikes and came within a few seconds of my PR. The Moxie is not just great for a HT, but will hang with the likes of 134s, Troys, and Spartans. Enduro hard tail may sound like marketing BS, but the Moxie is the real deal. I am liking the cheap Fox Grip 34, but may try a reduced offset 36 class fork in the future.
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    That's awesome. How is the 29'er setup in the rough and bumpy though compared to FS?

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    It seemed pretty smooth last night, not much different from my Endorphin, but we didn't hit the really rough trail. The Rock Razor has quite a bit of volume and probably helped.
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    Time to sell the FS bike Travis.
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    You bringing that bad boy out this weekend Travis? I look forward to seeing it for reals!
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    I'm patiently waiting for the second batch to arrive in the states. I'm initially going to build with a 160mm 27.5 Pike I have lying around, but who's got the longest 29er fork on their Moxie, and how does it feel?

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    I have a 150mm 34 29 fork and think 160mm would be pretty good too. I will definitely be spending more time on my winter hardtail this summer.
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    So Travis, whats the biggest 29er tire thatll fit with mudvroom?

    Did you get the long or the longer?

    470 seems short, my Large Full Stache is 484. An I missing something?

    What hardtail did you ride before?

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    My 2.35 Rock Razor has 5mm clearance on both sides.

    5'9" on a long.

    I had a Mondraker Vantage HT frame and the aluminum was pretty stiff.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I have a 150mm 34 29 fork
    Is that a thing? I though they only went to up to 140mm for 29".

    I'm ditching my 140mm 34, just ordered a 150mm Yari and a -1 angleset.

    The damper and air spring on the 34 are great, but I feel that the chassis is not up to the job. The thing folds itself down on very step trails and I get some brake shudder from it flexing harmonically.

    The Moxie just asks for a full on enduro chassis fork

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    Mine is a take off from a Scott. Seems stiff enough, similar to a Pike.
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    Very tempted by these.
    Can I ask what your full builds weigh, and what the frame weight was?
    My main concern is, how playful is it? I'm worried that the slack HA, Steep SA and low BB means that manualing and kicking the back out is more difficult. 'Playful-ness' is really important to me.
    Any feedback would be awesome, cheers all

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    I have not weighed the frame or full bike. I can say that that the front end comes up when I want, no problem popping off small features, and it does small drops just fine.
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    I rode with Travis this weekend. I did fail the MTBR-Collective and forgot to get any action shots of him riding.

    I can tell you he was schooling us all on our FS bikes and he definitely went full enduro on it. The Moxie is a sweet ride.

    I'm 5'11" and with my usual setup [1" setback dropper and 50mm stem] I'd fit a "long" just fine.
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    After 2 amazing days on the Moxie 29er and now 1 great day on my Endorphin I'm sold on the big hoops for summer riding.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Pictures. Don't you have a new phone or camera by now? ;-)

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    I don't take a lot of photos. New phone and my "riding" case has a hinged lense cover so I don't bust it again.
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    Pipedream Moxie

    Thanks for letting me swing a leg over you Moxie Travis. Your bike is dialled, was comfortable right away. Even with that tiny stem it felt a touch long for me (though possible I could get used to being a bit more stretched out) sitting down but standing felt great, it was nice to have all that room in the cockpit. What length crank arms do you have on there?
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    I figured it might be too long for you because it's a pretty lonnnng bike. I have 175s from previous build and they are OK with 29 wheels, but I need shorter with 27.5+. I'll have to look into that before next wet season.

    It was a great weekend and I ended up with over 2km of vertical (1.4 on the Moxie), with a greatest hits list of local descents.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    That bike is awesome! Congrats.

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    My Moxie has been shipped from the factory, so should be with me early next week. Still awaiting parts for my wheel build too.

    I'll weigh the frame once I have it, but Pipedream quote 2600g for the bare frame and 2800g with drop outs, axle, hose clips etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I figured it might be too long for you because it's a pretty lonnnng bike. I have 175s from previous build and they are OK with 29 wheels, but I need shorter with 27.5+. I'll have to look into that before next wet season.

    It was a great weekend and I ended up with over 2km of vertical (1.4 on the Moxie), with a greatest hits list of local descents.
    One of the best riding trips to Cumby ever. UROC is truly doing some outstanding work up there. You folks should be really proud. We are members of the club buy lots of their swag and generally only ride there once a year its that good. I think well need to get up there more often. We keep eyeing property up there and just keeps getting more expensive
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    Anyone in the US gotten their frame shipped yet from the 2nd batch? Alan told me "in a matter of days" for my California shipment

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    Not in the US, but mine is being delivered tomorrow

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    Last night I rode the 27.5+ Butchers because my 29 Rock Razor has a leak at the bead. I PRd a rough DH track that I had previously set on my Warden. Beyond blown away at this old man/bike combo.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    You can't keep saying things like this about hardtails Travis, really, against your FS.

    It's making me want one. Looks super fun mate, nice bike. Props!

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    Travis sell the FS it's just like throwing an anchor out behind you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK View Post
    You can't keep saying things like this about hardtails Travis, really, against your FS.

    It's making me want one. Looks super fun mate, nice bike. Props!
    Me too, but I have this sneaking suspicion I might not be as fast on the Moxie as Travis is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Last night I rode the 27.5+ Butchers because my 29 Rock Razor has a leak at the bead. I PRd a rough DH track that I had previously set on my Warden. Beyond blown away at this old man/bike combo.
    The local shop still building the demo bike and I want to try out the geometry first.
    Travis just keep telling us it's a no brainer choice to have a Moxie.
    Every replies from him make me almost lose my mind.

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    I tried 27.5 + rear, 29 2.5 front last night. Wasn't as fast, might have just been me. Next FS bike will be 29 with similar geometry to the Moxie. I am trying to get my shop to bring in a demo Rootdown. I see a micro resurgence happening for hard tails

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I am trying to get my shop to bring in a demo Rootdown.
    The Rootdown uses a PF BB if that matters to you. Kind of surprised me.
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    Threaded is better, but I installed a Wheels Manufacturing PF BB that threaded the 2 sides together. It seems like a good solution, however I'm glad my BB is threaded.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Threaded is better, but I installed a Wheels Manufacturing PF BB that threaded the 2 sides together. It seems like a good solution, however I'm glad my BB is threaded.
    I looked at that BB, but $100USD and a bunch or weight complexity to solve a problem a lot of frames don't have seems like it's not worth it. Luckily there are lots of great HT frames with threaded BBs.
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    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Drooling 🤤

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    You are worth it Travis. Buy Ti and new underpants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    LOL. Swipe the card😂.

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    Oh sweet jesus. That is one gorgeous bike!!!

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    Asked my boss at the LBS for a bump to $50/hr so I can get the titanium, unbelievably he would not go for it, so no Ti Moxie.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Asked my boss at the LBS for a bump to $50/hr so I can get the titanium, unbelievably he would not go for it, so no Ti Moxie.
    Some people are so unreasonable.
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    I just got home from a ride that included our local DH course. It's a little out of my comfort zone but was completed with only a little drama, when I snagged my toe on a rock in a tight, steep section. The Moxie continues to amaze me.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Can anyone chime in relating to the Moxie frame weights? Also, has anyone residing in the United States purchased a moxie frame, how much was shipping?

    Lastly, how is the paint, weld and overall fabrication quality of the frames?

    Many thanks,

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I have not weighed the frame or full bike. I can say that that the front end comes up when I want, no problem popping off small features, and it does small drops just fine.

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    The frame quality is top notch, easily above any other steel frame I ever had.
    Had several Surlys and a couple of Singulars before

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    Painted Longer frame with all fittings and axle = 2850g.

    Frame is made by Ora, one of the best steel frame manufacturers. Paint is good with clear coat over the stickers. Paint just a little thin behind the HT at the TT/DT junction.
    BB threads nice and smooth, seat tube ID reamed accurately.

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    My teal Long weighed 6.25lbs with the axle.

    BTW, is it normal for the frame to come without a seat collar?

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    Some brands supply collars with frames, many don't though.

    The Funn seat collar was an optional extra, along with headset and fork.

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    My paint looks good and seems durable. The welds look good, and it hasn't broken in the 800+ km so far. I PR'd another trail that has been in our local enduro race last night, and this bike draws more attention than the latest fancy carbon wonder bikes do.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    How long is your dropper, Travis?
    Haven't built up my moxie yet. I'm 5ft10 and thinking about going 170mm for the dropper. Would it be too much?

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    160mm Revive and I could probably fit a 185.

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    Thanks for the answer! Now I have to find out which the is best deal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Cheng View Post
    Thanks for the answer! Now I have to find out which the is best deal!
    I think the Revive has the lowest stack height of any dropper. I'm also running a 160mm Revive with a 31" inseam and I have maybe 15-20mm insertion left. Just know that some other droppers can have a much taller stack height to start, so if your inseam is similar, a 170mm may be too tall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaks View Post
    I think the Revive has the lowest stack height of any dropper. I'm also running a 160mm Revive with a 31" inseam and I have maybe 15-20mm insertion left. Just know that some other droppers can have a much taller stack height to start, so if your inseam is similar, a 170mm may be too tall.
    Thanks for your information. Helps a lot!
    I have a 32" inseam and I will be running a 170mm crankset. According to the information from this website:
    http://sp00n.net/bike/seatposts/
    BrandX ascend XL looks pretty good for my requirements.
    Btw, the man who made this dropper sheet is a damn genius. Make choosing a dropper lot easier. I suggest you guys add it to your bookmark!

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    Also I found out the stackheight of OneUp's new 170mm dropper is only 5mm longer than the 160mm Revive. And it looks really good.

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    PR's set on my Warden continue to fall on the Moxie, a few anyway.

    I installed a Oneup post on a bike at work and was impressed by the smooth action, not as nice as the Revive, but much less $$. Most posts just make me sad for the owner.
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    Hi,
    I see that everybody loves the moxie and Im considering to buy the frame in the longer size (Im 188 cm), but Im not sure because of the tire clearance at the bottom bracket. So I have some questions:
    What do you think, would a Maxxis DHR II 29x2.4 WT or a Schwalbe Hans Dampf 29x2.35 on a 30 mm IW rim and a Maxxis DHR II 27.5x2.8 on a 45 mm IW fit in the frame with enough clearance?
    Would it only fit in the longest setting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreisel View Post
    Hi,
    I see that everybody loves the moxie and Im considering to buy the frame in the longer size (Im 188 cm), but Im not sure because of the tire clearance at the bottom bracket. So I have some questions:
    What do you think, would a Maxxis DHR II 29x2.4 WT or a Schwalbe Hans Dampf 29x2.35 on a 30 mm IW rim and a Maxxis DHR II 27.5x2.8 on a 45 mm IW fit in the frame with enough clearance?
    Would it only fit in the longest setting?
    I have a DHR 2 2.4 WT ON the rear and had a 2.35 Rock Razor on 31mm internal rims with plenty of room. I tried the shortest chainstay and it worked. My other wheels are 40mm internal with 2.8 Butchers with enough room as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I have a DHR 2 2.4 WT ON the rear and had a 2.35 Rock Razor on 31mm internal rims with plenty of room. I tried the shortest chainstay and it worked. My other wheels are 40mm internal with 2.8 Butchers with enough room as well.

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    This is interesting...
    2.35 rock razor on 30mm iw DT rim.
    Rubs in shortest position, and only ~4mm clearance in longest position.
    I don't have a 2.8 to try, but can't see how that could work in any position other than longest. Will have to get in touch with Alan, because this doesn't seem right when Travis's batch 1 frame can run both sizes in all stay lengths.

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    IIRC the 2.8 Butchers he's running are 27.5".

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    Yeah I realise that, but the shape of the chainstay means that there isn't much more clearance available even with the slightly smaller od of b+.

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    The tire size limitation is definitely at the chainstays, not the seatstays. As a matter of fact, that's my only little complaint about this frame. The chainstays have way more clearance than necessary for the chainring, which takes space away from the rear tire.

    On mine, I'm currently running a 29x2.3 DHRII and would say 29x2.4WT is the max you could fit - at the longest chainstay configuration (with not much clearance left). No way you could do that in the shortest chainstay configuration. You could probably fit 27.5x2.8 easily in the longest chainstay position, but I don't know about the shortest chainstay position, based on what I see with my 27.5x2.6 tire.

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    Thank you for the relies!

    But hm, thats difficult! Are different versions of the Moxie out there?
    Traviss Moxie has plenty of room and Nyquists is very tight at the chainstays.

    Another issue is maybe the BB drop. Is it possible to run the Moxie with 175 mm cranks? Or did you use 170 mm or 165 mm cranks?

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    Here are a couple of photos. 2.4 DHR 2 WT, 430mm CS.

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    I have gone full dorkduro. This medium Blackburn Outpost frame bag will carry a bladder and rain jacket, or any combo of handy things. Tried it yesterday with 2 large water bottles and never noticed it while riding. I doesn't look cool, but I make up for it with my awesomeness .

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    Forgot the photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Here are a couple of photos. 2.4 DHR 2 WT, 430mm CS.
    Thanks Travis, would be interested in seeing a pic of that tyre in the short setting when you get a chance.
    I've just ordered a 2.3 DHR2 for better clearance in the winter clay mud around here.
    A little disappointing when I could drive a bus in the gap between the ring and chainstay, seems a bit of an oversight.
    Otherwise frame is awesome. 305mm BB height with 130mm fox 34 and 2degree angleset.

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    Hey Travis, thanks for the pics!
    I wouldnt hesitate to order the frame, when the chainstays were 5 to 10 mm longer.
    That would be perfect, also for the balance of the bike.
    The sliders dont make sense, when everybody rides in the longest position because of the tire clearance.
    I have requested a custom/tailor made frame (aluminum and steel) with a similar geometry here in Germany but with longer chainstays, less BB drop, longer seat tube and 160 mm fork travel.
    The price is nearly 1.5x (aluminum) or 2x (steel) as high as the moxie.

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    Why would you want a higher bb and longer seat-tube? Actually, putting a slightly longer fork on a Moxie would basically give you a higher bb so it would solve two of your asks while only slacking out the bike less than a degree. I think tire clearance can be resolved by fine-tuning the chainstay shape rather than making them longer. Who's really going to run a bigger than 30t chainring on this frame anyway?

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    @Jaks: Longer seat tube for more seat post options and a higher bb so that 175 mm cranks are possible.
    Im 1,88 m, so a 470 mm seat tube and 175 mm cranks would be perfect.
    On the Pipedream HP is the max. fork length 555 mm, i. e. a Yari 160 mm has 571 mm.

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    Mounted the 2.3 dhr2, next to zero clearance in the short setting, and very close to the chainstay bridge too. Shame, as it could easily have had masses of clearance.
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    I'm building up a Moxie at the moment,
    Just gathering the last parts I need to finish up, it will be running 160mm fork 650B wheels with 2.6" tyres..
    Will post up some pics when complete
    I do try..!!

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    29, 2.4 DHR 2 WT at shortest chainstay. I found this length too short with 27.5+.

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    I've tried that already. Works great! For rougher trails, the 27.5x2.6 tire definitely makes the bike more comfortable than 29x2.3.

    I've also tried 29x2.3 w/ 140mm fork in the front and 27.5x2.6 in the back. That also works well. The bike handles great no matter what you do to it

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    The bike might not have the best clearance in all setup configurations, but it definitely is one of the most versatile bikes I know of, wheel size, forks and even single speed..
    All from one bike frame...!!
    I do try..!!

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    I have given up my Endorphin and FS until my Fugitive arrives because I enjoy this bike so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I have given up my Endorphin and FS until my Fugitive arrives because I enjoy this bike so much.
    When is the Fug going to land?
    Safe riding,

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    To quote "soon". Hoping to ride it mid August 🤞

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    Few washed out pics from the neighborhood ride to get everything dialled in. Build is a a mixture of new and parts bin components.

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    I have been riding the Moxie exclusively so fat this spring and summer, in both 27.5+ and 29 configurations. Today I took 29 Moxie to a trail network where more travel = more better. Aside from a few confidence glitches on a couple of climby bits I managed to keep up with my fast friend on his Warden. The Pipedream's DH capability is impressing the hell out of me, and I can not recommend it enough for those looking for a killer hard tail. My 2019 Lyrik arrived today and I plan to install it tomorrow and will give it a thrashing on Sunday.
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    Now that I have a bit of time on the 140mm 42mm offset RC2 Lyrik I have formed an opinion. First, the new RC2 is great. Smoothes out small bumps, doesn't blow through travel, and yet does absorb big impacts very well. Two previously sprained thumbs up. I can feel that the reduced offset has brought the front axle closer and the front wheel is more planted in the corners. This is not a huge effect, but noticeable. I don't see any negatives with the reduced offset so I am recommending it.
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