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    The PhatSchtickel!!!!

    ...or 'Schtickel v. 2.0, for short.

    I have been kicking around the idea of a fat bike for a long time. I really liked the idea alot, but didn't think I'd ever see the kind of snowfall that could justify such a dedicated bike. In recent years, however, it seems more and more folks are opting to ride them on dirt!


    From about the time that I received the first frame from Steve, I have had a couple tweaks in mind...as well as the pipe-dream of being able to run a fat wheel in back .

    Over the course of the winter, I mulled things over & came to the place where I could really see the possibility of building a bike that will see 29er wheels 80-90% of the time, while still affording me the opportunity to build up a full on fatty!

    This frame will feature:

    150mm Maxle rear
    83mm BB shell
    New 44mm head tube to run tapered steerer forks
    A design around the new 140mm Reba
    Hammerschmidt


    The real magic, however, was how Steve Stickel managed to squeeze all of my requests for the 29 AM frame, along with a Hammerschmidt AND fat wheels into one package. Once again I am singing the guys praises...he is such a great builder to work with from start to finish! And his work...well, I think it speaks for itself.

    Some concept art







    Geometry I sent Steve



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    Plenty of room!










    We're almost there...then off to paint!!!
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    Wow!

    That is smokin' hot!! How much longer do you have to wait to get 'er built up and on the trail? Can't wait to see the finished project ...a genius creation!

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    sooooo awesome! cant wait to see the final build
    Winter is coming.

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    that thang Sweet! is Steve building you a fork or you using a Pugs fork ? (nevermind just saw the Salsa fatty fork missed that pic somehow)

    can't wait to see it after powder .. No Gold/Butterscotch because that's the color i'm doing mine!

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    Phat-Tastic!



    Any idea of when Fo will take delivery?
    What the EFF is "All MOUNTAIN"???

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    Bravo, man!

    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    ...or 'Schtickel v. 2.0, for short.

    I have been kicking around the idea of a fat bike for a long time. I really liked the idea alot, but didn't think I'd ever see the kind of snowfall that could justify such a dedicated bike. In recent years, however, it seems more and more folks are opting to ride them on dirt!


    From about the time that I received the first frame from Steve, I have had a couple tweaks in mind...as well as the pipe-dream of being able to run a fat wheel in back .

    Over the course of the winter, I mulled things over & came to the place where I could really see the possibility of building a bike that will see 29er wheels 80-90% of the time, while still affording me the opportunity to build up a full on fatty!

    This frame will feature:

    150mm Maxle rear
    83mm BB shell
    New 44mm head tube to run tapered steerer forks
    A design around the new 140mm Reba
    Hammerschmidt


    The real magic, however, was how Steve Stickel managed to squeeze all of my requests for the 29 AM frame, along with a Hammerschmidt AND fat wheels into one package. Once again I am singing the guys praises...he is such a great builder to work with from start to finish! And his work...well, I think it speaks for itself.

    Some concept art


    *bunch of sweet bike porn pics*

    We're almost there...then off to paint!!!
    THis is focking sweet!!!

    Well done!!

    Please don't paint it white. That would make me cry.

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    J and Steve:

    Simply outstanding work all the way around!!!

    Bravo.
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Wow, riding that cycling device will be better than having...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    Phat-Tastic!



    Any idea of when Fo will take delivery?
    Probably about the time the snow starts flying at Mammoth Mtn. Labor day weekend?

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    This is very neat.
    Professional Amateur. Disagree? Submit your grievances here.

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    nicely done!

    I am flattered you used the idea of my bike to build around it a phat version and its very hawt. It will compliment my stable nicely when sent to me as while we dont have snow, it will be perfect for cruising the local beaches checking out the hawties

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    Awesome

    What is the CS length for version 2.0? Is the ETT on this bike shorter than the original?

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.I.T.nj
    What is the CS length for version 2.0? Is the ETT on this bike shorter than the original?
    ETT looks to be the same, 24.5

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    It should be called the Swiss ArmyStickel
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Jeff & Steve's build's are just way out there. No-one else is doing this kina stuff...

    Brillinat work

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    Really cool stuff, well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter




    Geometry I sent Steve

    I calculate your BB in phat rigid mode at around 11.5"-11.7"

    What crank length do you plan to run?
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Teamdicky...you hit the nail on the head!

    Thanks for the swell comments all...I am really gonna need your support for the next couple weeks (until delivery)

    Enel: how did you calculate that? The delta in A-C from sagged 140mm Reba to Enabler fork is 36mm (that's without considering the difference in diameter between fat wheel & 29er wheel). It might net a bit over 1* in HTA, but I doubt it will be.75" at the bb. Short answer...175mm crank arms

    PS. ...and yes, this will be a very versatile frame (swiss army!).


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    PS. Brado1, gold/butterscotch it is!


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    PS. Brado1, gold/butterscotch it is!

    NOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Enel: how did you calculate that? The delta in A-C from sagged 140mm Reba to Enabler fork is 36mm (that's without considering the difference in diameter between fat wheel & 29er wheel). It might net a bit over 1* in HTA, but I doubt it will be.75" at the bb. Short answer...175mm crank arms
    I don't know the difference in wheel size so I assumed they were the same.

    30% sag on 140mm travel = 42mm
    546-42= 504 a-c at sag
    504-468= 36mm
    36mm X sine 70 = 34mm vert drop at the front end.

    Now to calculate the drop at the BB. I am not sure if I am doing this correctly, but assumed 16.75 chainstays and overall wheelbase of 43.75.

    16.75/43.75= coeffecient to determine the portion of front end drop that will occur at the BB = (0.38)

    0.38 X 34mm = 13mm =0.5"

    12.0"-0.5" = 11.5"
    12.25"-0.5" = 11.75"

    It will probably be more since my coefficient is based on the WB and it should really be based on the chainstay divided by the distance from rear axle to headtube horizontally, but I don't have that number.

    Please don't let all this geekery mess with the b1tchenness of the bike.

    If you have a better way to calculate this I am all ears.

    Do you know the difference in wheel diameter?

    Was 1.5 a possibility, or no can do in steel?

    To say this frame interests me is an understatement.
    Last edited by Enel; 08-01-2010 at 08:20 PM.
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Your math isn't too bad....but I was a ChemE I'm better with chemicals

    I still suspect the bb drop will be minimal.

    I would hate to see a 1.5 HT with steel tubing


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    Quote Originally Posted by F.I.T.nj
    What is the CS length for version 2.0?
    We'll have to get that from Steve (Jeff)


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    Oops.
    Last edited by D.F.L.; 08-02-2010 at 08:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D.F.L.
    At first, this thing looked funny, but now my own bike has clearance-envy
    Don't hate it becuz it's beautiful!


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    Nice!

    Would look great in black.
    Crunchy. Even in mud.

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    It would look it's best in black, flat or shiny, doesn't matter just as long as it's black. Can't wait to see the finished build.

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    Hmmmmmm, black? That's a great idea!!!! Black it is!

    Brado, you're off the hook


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    Hmmmmmm, black? That's a great idea!!!! Black it is!

    Brado, you're off the hook

    i don't know i'm thinking that whole swiss army thing

    Green and Red
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    Now you have me second guessing myself! Steve, is it too late to move some tubes around?


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    That is just freakin' awesome. Can't wait to see this built. My fatty is pretty much my favorite bike. Goes ANYWHERE.
    Just a regular guy.

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    Cool!

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    nice

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    A VERY rare look into the mind of Steve........... I'm shocked!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokebikes
    A VERY rare look into the mind of Steve........... I'm shocked!

    The Mind is a Terrible Thing.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    I don't know the difference in wheel size so I assumed they were the same.

    30% sag on 140mm travel = 42mm
    546-42= 504 a-c at sag
    504-468= 36mm
    36mm X sine 70 = 34mm vert drop at the front end.

    Now to calculate the drop at the BB. I am not sure if I am doing this correctly, but assumed 16.75 chainstays and overall wheelbase of 43.75.

    16.75/43.75= coeffecient to determine the portion of front end drop that will occur at the BB = (0.38)

    0.38 X 34mm = 13mm =0.5"

    12.0"-0.5" = 11.5"
    12.25"-0.5" = 11.75"

    It will probably be more since my coefficient is based on the WB and it should really be based on the chainstay divided by the distance from rear axle to headtube horizontally, but I don't have that number.

    Please don't let all this geekery mess with the b1tchenness of the bike.

    If you have a better way to calculate this I am all ears.

    Do you know the difference in wheel diameter?

    Was 1.5 a possibility, or no can do in steel?

    To say this frame interests me is an understatement.
    I know it is far from scientific, but using the same program that I sketched out the concept art with (to scale), I measure a 12.07" bb height with the rigid, fat build.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jncarpenter
    I know it is far from scientific, but using the same program that I sketched out the concept art with (to scale), I measure a 12.07" bb height with the rigid, fat build.
    Sounds perfect. Let me know when you want to sell it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Let me know when you want to sell it
    Didn't we already try that once?


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    is it done yet??
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerJoe
    is it done yet??
    yeah no doubt, the suspense is killing me

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    Although enel's calculations sound good, here's an easy calculator for those of us not as smart: http://bikegeo.muha.cc/
    May the air be filled with tires!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaster1200
    Although enel's calculations sound good, here's an easy calculator for those of us not as smart: http://bikegeo.muha.cc/
    Doh!!! Thanks for the link that makes life a lot easier.

    edit: I plugged in the numbers and got the same answer (13mm difference in bb) I calculated so I guess my math isn't too bad.
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    Interesting. I do like the reach/stack concept...notice that, as the HTA steepens & ETT gets shorter, the reach lengthens. Tho, hard to believe the stack height on this bike will be under 10"!!


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    Seriously, kick a** bike! Eagerly awaiting build pictures as well. Congratulations to Steve as well, the fabrication work on that bike is just stunning.
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    Hahaha - Most people don't care. Looks good to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    Hahaha - Most people don't care. Looks good to me.
    One can never be too careful

    FITnj: Chainstays will be around 16.5"


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    I've been riding the Pugs most of the time this year, and am finding it to be a remarkably quick and capable bike. We like to call 29"ers steamrollers. Once you get 'em rolling, they just just keep going. The fat bike is a fvckin' juggernaut. It laughs at rock gardens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~
    I've been riding the Pugs most of the time this year, and am finding it to be a remarkably quick and capable bike. We like to call 29"ers steamrollers. Once you get 'em rolling, they just just keep going. The fat bike is a fvckin' juggernaut. It laughs at rock gardens.

    Damn you Martini , now i want a Fat Bike. i've taken one for a spin at the beach but never on the trail..

    This would surely be me gettin stupid with it if i owned one..



    I'mTorn ...so many bikes styles to choose from, so little time (i mean money)


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    Quote Originally Posted by brado1
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    Hands still on the bars...


    He might just pull it off.

    I think maybe I need one of these wreck proof fat bikes.
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