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    Oryx Raid true temper frames circa 2003 -- anyone own one?

    With the purchase and subsequent demise of Oryx (yeah, I know they're "back", but...), seems to be no trace that it happened. There's barely proof on the webernet that it ever existed. Anyone owned, ridden, or even seen one before? Care to share pics?
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    Oryx Raid 29er

    there is a guy on Craigslist who is selling these frames for $50.00 in the greater San Fransisco/ Sacramento area. he is selling these raw without paint. I got 2 of them. A 18"and 17" and willbe painting and building them up to ride. I will post as to how it works out if you want. this si what the craigslist add says....http://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/2195117783.html

    OK HERE'S THE DEAL, FOR ALL THE FOLKS WHO WANT TO TRY A 29ER BUT DON'T HAVE THE MOOLA TOO FORK OVER FOR A FRAME, HERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, FIRST A LITTLE HISTORY, ORYX IS A CANADIAN MANUFACTURED BIKE THAT WAS RELEASED FOR THE CANADIAN MARKET ONLY (HENCE WHY YOU DON'T RECOGNIZE THE NAME) THEY MANUFACTURED THESE BIKES UNTIL 2004 WHEN THE PARENT COMPANY BOUGHT ROCKY MOUNTAIN (A BIGGER AND MORE WELL KNOWN BRAND) WHICH IN TURN REPLACED ORYX AND THEN THEY KILLED THE ORYX LINE IN MID PRODUCTION (WHY I HAVE LEFT OVER FRAMES)THESE FRAMES I HAVE ARE MODEL YEAR 2003. HERE'S THE LINK TO THE CATALOG, YOU'LL FIND THE BIKE ON PAGE 19.
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    I HAVE A LARGE QUANTITY OF THESE FRAMES IN 17, 18, 19.5 AND 21 INCHES. FRAME TUBING IS CROMOLY TRUE TEMPER OX2 THAT IS INTERNALLY BRAZED USING A BRAZING RING WHICH IS INSERTED IN THE TUBES AND HEATED FROM THE OUTSIDE DRAWING THE BRAZING MATERIAL OUTWARD(NO EXTERNAL WELDS). A PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN USED FOR OVER 40 YEARS(LIKE SOME PEUGEOT FRAMES AND OTHERS BUILT BY THEM). THE FRAME IS DISC AND CANTILEVER BRAKE COMPATIBLE. SEAT POST SIZE IS 26.8MM. HEAD TUBE IS 1 1/8"(ANY MTB HEADSET WILL WORK) AND CAN ACCEPT 1 1/8 HYBRID FORKS RIGID AND SUSPENSION. THIS IS A 29ER FRAME AND IS DESIGNED TO ACCEPT 29ER WHEELS(700C) AND TIRES(700C), HOWEVER I HAVE ONE BUILT AS A HYBRID(THE RIDE IS AWESOME) AND SO CAN YOU. NOW ALRIGHT HERE'S THE CATCH AS TO WHY THESE ARE SO CHEAP. FRAMES ARE RAW AND UNFINISHED(NO PAINT) YOU CAN HAVE THE FRAME PAINTED OR POWDER COATED YOUR FAVORITE COLOR AT YOUR EXPENSE AND FRAME SEAT COLLARS ARE UNCUT, (ADDED 2/5/11)THE 18" FRAMES I HAVE LEFT HAVE NO WELDED COVER OVER THE WISHBONE STAY AT THE SEAT TUBE THIS HAS NO EFFECT ON FRAME AT ALL. WELL THAT'S IT, THAT'S ALL. AND ONLY $50 A FRAME WOW THATS DIRT CHEAP. THE COST OF ONE TUBE OF THIS GRADE OF FRAME TUBING IS MORE THAN MY PRICE FOR THE WHOLE FRAME. I CAN OFFER A SMALL DISCOUNT FOR QUANTITIES OVER 5 IF YOU WANT TO BUY THEM ALL WE CAN TALK I CAN DELIVER ON BULK BUYS ONLY. PRICE ONLY $50.00 EACH CALL OR EMAIL NO TEXT 707-333-9719. 8am-8pm DO NOT HESITATE THESE ARE SELLING VERY FAST!!! LOW QUANTITY ON 17'

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    I had an Oryx (8000?) way back in the mid 90's. Steel frame, brazed joints. It was a beautiful bike. I think I had it for about 3 years. It got stolen. I would have replaced it in a second with another Oryx, but by then they had switched to welded aluminium frames and I was stuck on steel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stinkiebutt
    there is a guy on Craigslist who is selling these frames for $50.00 in the greater San Fransisco/ Sacramento area. he is selling these raw without paint. I got 2 of them. A 18"and 17" and willbe painting and building them up to ride. I will post as to how it works out if you want.
    Soooo? How did these turn out?
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    Damn did you pick up the frames already? How do they look?

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    I used to sell Oryx bikes, and met the owners and a few builders of them back in the day. The really were nice bikes, and could take a beating many times over. for $50 I'm starting to think I need one... Wonder what it would cost to ship one to Eastern Canada....
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    A friend of mine is still riding his Gemsbok and love it. I found an old picture he took (very hard to find data on this frame...) Nevermind the parts...
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    I looked into getting one of these frames, but unfortunately, the seller is not shipping them - local pickup only.
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    Here are some pics

    Picked up a 19" frame recently, and found a few interesting things about it:
    Short ETT & CS lengths: 23.5" & 17.25"
    26.8mm seat post required
    ~60mm BB drop
    Lacks DT clearance for a suspension fork, but should clear with a Ventana +7 race.

    There was some geo info posted not long ago -- some archived pdf Oryx catalog. Seems like it's been disabled perhaps?:
    http://web.archive.org/web/200512152.../oryx_2003.pdf

    I believe the measurements I've taken match the measurements listed in their catalog. Other significant numbers from this page were the angles: 71.5degHT & 73degST.

    It's unfinished, literally: There's no compression slot for the seat post clamp (yet), and of course it's bare metal that looks like it might have recently been brought up from the Titanic (flux mostly I think). I'm wondering about the "internal brazing" as well. Durable?

    It's heavy: 5.8lbs or so, but I'm guessing the canti bosses weigh something, so might remove them. Fairly stout without a doubt.

    So, what to do with this thing -- commuter, 1x9 off road rig? Or something extra fun with the shortish stays out back: 650B rear wheel w/100mm F29+Rampage up front? B-wheeled front and rear with a 120mm travel fork?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1
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    Just dropped it off at a local builder's shop to have those terrible braze-ons removed. Will instead have some proper Paragon bits added under the top tube. Also ditching the canti mosts (for better or for worse).

    I'm guessing it'll be somewhat stiffer than my Zion737, due to the tubing weight and shorter stays. As well, it will sit 1/4" higher and have a slightly slacker HTA. Looking forward to giving it a whirl sometime soon.

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    I looked at these frames a few weeks ago in Concord, at a bike swap and I felt like it was more trouble then it was worth, considering the amount of finish needed and powder coat cost. $50 turns into $200+ real quick. Not saying its a bad idea (I did this to a 70's era Chicago Schwinn LeTour that I use as a townbike) it's a fun process. My current bike island copy of a KHS size large is 4lbs on the dot and cost only $150 on CL (You are not the guy I meet at the Trader Joes parking lot in Berkeley are you? the Zion sounds familiar ), so there are deals to be had on bike frames that are ready to go for less or about the same cost.

    All that aside...it's still super fun to take a frame that raw, fix it up, and ride it. Who knows, the geo might work really well for you or it could have a nice feel to it. Semi-customish and piece of history too. Looking forward to seeing it complete.
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    I tried getting some of the Raid frames a few years ago when I was getting and selling unpainted copies of the 26" frames, but Procycle wanted a ridiculous price for the Raids at the time. As to the fork clearance, the bikes came stock with a marzocchi 29er fork with I think 60mm of wheel travel. I have my Oryx catalogs still, I could look up the geometry numbers if you really want them. The frames I dealt with were much cleaner looking externally, and all that surface rust and flux excess on the ones pictured above might be because they're being stored someplace close to the pacific ocean after all. High humidity and salty air will tend to make for extra corrosion.

    The frames I had were True Temper OX Gold tubing, also using the DBS internal brazing and were 5.5 pounds for a 21" size frame. I sold maybe ten of the things on here, pinkbike and other places. I still have one which was custom painted in a neon pink/black scheme which I have up on pinkbike for sale but will probably get around to building myself, sometime.


















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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    ...As to the fork clearance, the bikes came stock with a marzocchi 29er fork with I think 60mm of wheel travel. I have my Oryx catalogs still, I could look up the geometry numbers if you really want them...

    I still have one which was custom painted in a neon pink/black scheme which I have up on pinkbike for sale but will probably get around to building myself, sometime.
    Found an archived catalog online, pg 19 here:
    http://web.archive.org/web/200512152.../oryx_2003.pdf

    I have to say, I'm drooling over the chance to give this geometry a whirl (size "49.5" is what I ended up with). The BB is a bit low, but with a 100mm F29 instead of that noodly 70mm Bomber, I'm thinking it should be pretty dang nice. 10mm travel spacers are on standby.

    DeeEight, thanks for posting the pics. Your frames definitely look better than mine, especially that sweet pinkie!

    @swill'n: Yeah, that's my old rig you're riding -- I think that frame was right about 5lbs even IIRC. How's it treating you? I was kicking myself just a bit recently for selling it so quickly after getting it, mostly because I hadn't tried my trusty, plain ol' risers on it. Hope it's working well for you. Can I have that seat post back now?
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    BB Heights are given as about 296mm on the two larger sizes and 299mm on the two smaller frame sizes. So basically in the 11.8 to 11.95" range. The fork in 2003 was a 75mm travel Marzocchi MX Comp ETA and in 2002 it was a White Brothers fork. Tires both years were Maxxis High Roller 29 x 2.1s. Oryx spec'ed Maxxis tires heavily at the end of the brand's existence (after 2005 they were discontinued by ProCycle so as to not take away sales from Rocky Mountain, which were at the time struggling in Canada, same reason they shitcanned the Balfa and Mikado brands also at the same time).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight View Post
    BB Heights are given as about 296mm on the two larger sizes and 299mm on the two smaller frame sizes. So basically in the 11.8 to 11.95" range. The fork in 2003 was a 75mm travel Marzocchi MX Comp ETA and in 2002 it was a White Brothers fork. Tires both years were Maxxis High Roller 29 x 2.1s. Oryx spec'ed Maxxis tires heavily at the end of the brand's existence (after 2005 they were discontinued by ProCycle so as to not take away sales from Rocky Mountain, which were at the time struggling in Canada, same reason they shitcanned the Balfa and Mikado brands also at the same time).
    I heard about "a pallet of True Temper OX II 29er frames from Canada," and wondered (before knowing) if Oryx had built a batch of bad frames & sent them into market, and thus been dissolved shortly after to dodge law suits -- with these frame being the "you didn't get it from me" leftovers. I went ahead with the frame purchase after hearing & reading more about this history. It's always a gamble buying stuff like this, but with a low initial investment, I figure I can ride it a bit and inspect it before putting it through it's paces. I'm neither clyde nor hammerhead anyway, so I expect it will hold up. Having a rear brakeside brace put in too while it's still uncoated. Hmmm... Shitcanned clears the filter.

    My current bike has a BB drop of ~75mm, so this frame with all things equal, is a slight increase in BB height. My first 29" suspension fork was one of these 75mm bombers; guess I could've have finished the bike where ProCycle left off had I kept that fork, but I'm hoping/suspecting that it'll ride better with the newer fork.

    Should be getting the revised frame back in the next couple of days.
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    Updated frame pics

    Just got it back from the welder.

    1) Wishbone center tube wasn't capped, so I figure what better way to cap off the tail of an extinct Canadian frame than with a Canadian coin bearing a soon to be extinct critter? Canadian coin courtesy of fellow board member Awai.

    2) Canti bosses removed

    3) Updated brazeons for cables and brake lines.

    4) Brake brace between the stays

    The brake tab weld is a hideous tig job for some reason. Hey, $50 right?
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    Nice. Are you going to get it media blasted then powder? I know of a great place up in Chico that can do both for around $75. I've been very pleased by their work and they are very fast and used to doing bike frames all the time. The fixy craze is in full swing and bikes in general are a big deal for people around here. Lots of nice looking frames coming from the shop. http://platinumpowdercoating.com/

    It's cool to watch this frame evolve. Like the coin, nice touch.
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    There was no "bad batch" of frames mystery behind the discontinuing of the Oryx brand, which was only ever sold in canada anyway. The reason is much plainer... money. Procycle had gone on a brand buying spree for about a decade, picking up near bankrupt brands like Balfa and Rocky Mountain. For a time they tried being like Dorel and actually running all the brands at the same time, and in the same markets they sold in before. But that was costing them too much in terms of capital and production capacity (Rocky owners hate to admit/acknowledge the fact that the vancouver rocky factory is pitifully tiny for a brand of their name recognition). So they had to start shifting frame production to overseas mega factories in taiwan and china, or in some cases ones in mexico, and also made the decision to drop the canadian only brands that were competing with one another for market share.

    Oryx had low to high end road, mountain and hybrid bikes. Balfa was all high end mountain bikes. Mikado was all mid to high end hybrids, road bikes and touring bikes. Rocky was all Mid to High end Road, Mountain and Hybrid. And Miele was all Low to Mid range road, hybrid and mountain. So they cut out the mid-range miele stuff, dropped Mikado & Oryx and Balfa completely, and increased the model range of rocky mountain to plug the lack of lower end models from the one brand that was marketed internationally. Oryx was the biggest loss as they were taking away a good deal of rocky's canadian market share. Balfa was known internationally but was very expensive models to produce and for limited market share/profit.

    Of course a side effect to this was they ended up with lots of painted and unpainted frames kept around for warranty purposes. As the respective brand's warranty periods expire, they release these surplus frames to the wholesale market at a heavy discount. Sometimes they're bought by employees, sometimes they're bought by dealers. I got the frames I was selling through one of their largest dealers where I had worked as a mechanic as well.

    At this stage, only a handful of production rocky frames are still welded in canada, at last count it was just the flatlines. All the other frames are asian welded or molded (in the case of the carbon ones), then for the most part all the painting is done in the big factory in quebec, and all the actual bike assembly work is also done in quebec. Some models get asian paint if the canadian paint booths are full, but all final inspection and assembly is done here. In terms of overall volumes,
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    @swill'n: Yeah, that's my old rig you're riding -- I think that frame was right about 5lbs even IIRC. How's it treating you? I was kicking myself just a bit recently for selling it so quickly after getting it, mostly because I hadn't tried my trusty, plain ol' risers on it. Hope it's working well for you. Can I have that seat post back now?
    Risers do the trick. Here is how the frame is dressed up today. Just got back from neighborhood pump track. It's a fun bike that was built to be a generalist not a specialist. I ride this thing everywhere I can and will continue to mash hard so long as nothing gets busted up too bad. I'm having fun pushing my limits and getting a better feel for the bike. 27 lbs last I checked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight View Post
    There was no "bad batch" of frames mystery behind the discontinuing of the Oryx brand, which was only ever sold in canada anyway. The reason is much plainer... money...
    Thanks for the clarity DeeEight. I perhaps didn't clarify that my suspicion stemmed not from any source at all -- reliable or otherwise; it is merely a product of the same paranoia that always surfaces when I come across deals that might be too good to be true -- a case of unhealthy skepticism perhaps. The welder that revised it for me said that it is straight as an arrow and built strong, albeit a bit sloppily.

    Glad to have posted here about this, as doing so brings these stories to light. Mtbr is invaluable in these situations, thanks to folks that are in the know like yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swill'n View Post
    Nice. Are you going to get it media blasted then powder? I know of a great place up in Chico that can do both for around $75. I've been very pleased by their work and they are very fast and used to doing bike frames all the time. The fixy craze is in full swing and bikes in general are a big deal for people around here. Lots of nice looking frames coming from the shop. http://platinumpowdercoating.com/

    It's cool to watch this frame evolve. Like the coin, nice touch.
    Appreciate the lead, swill'n. My brother lives up that way (think we talked about Chico & Bidwell when we met), and I'm certainly due for a road trip. I will build it up raw first, just to get a feel for it and see how it rides. Some of the flux is pretty well cooked on there -- it's all a bit lumpy in spots. But if it rides well, I'll probably get it coated eventually.
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    Knowing me, it ain't done yet, but I'll ride it a few times as pictured before making more changes. If I like the way it rides, it'll see a Thomson post and perhaps a carbon bar. Compared to my Zion 737 frame, it's heavier and stiffer, a bit longer in the TT, a bit slacker in the HT, and bit steeper in the ST, and the head tube is longer too, which works well for my spider legs & arms. Like the Zion, this frame will not play nice with an F29 fork -- even with the Ventana +7 crown race, it barely touches. Anyone riding their steel framed bikes with this potential for fork/down tube strikes? I'm thinking I might put it on there anyway at some point, but I'd like to know that others are living with this dinging potential quite happily.

    The rusty, raw finish? It's already growing on me.
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