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    Re: The Official Switchback Unveil 9 Build Thread



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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Pictures dont do this justice. In bright light and sun, this PC is damn loud.


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    Dude now that looks sick!!!!

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    Can you take pictures of the process or video please please! I want to do the same to my revelation.

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    Yeah I will see what I can do. There are a few Youtube videos out there.

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    The Official Switchback Unveil 9 Build Thread

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    Re: The Official Switchback Unveil 9 Build Thread

    Its beginning to look like a bicycle.





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    The Official Switchback Unveil 9 Build Thread

    Doooodd!

    BTW....I am getting SB Head badges made....will send one your way once they are finished


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    Yes ss!

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    Doooodd!

    BTW....I am getting SB Head badges made....will send one your way once they are finished


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    I was hoping you would offer! Once you mentioned you were designing them I told Dan not to PC the badge on.

    Overall the frame built back up well. Just the usual headaches associated with bearing and a fresh paintjob. So far, Im tickled pink with it. I have some stiction in the rear somewhere, I have a few days to find it though before I have all my parts.

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    I was hoping you would offer! Once you mentioned you were designing them I told Dan not to PC the badge on.

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    Heck yeah! Good job on leaving the HT "blank"



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    I have the weirdest boner now....

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    The Official Switchback Unveil 9 Build Thread

    Hhhhhaahaaa!! Totally


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    Woah thats nice.

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    The Official Switchback Unveil 9 Build Thread

    Look familiar?




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    Re: The Official Switchback Unveil 9 Build Thread

    Nope... Doesn't ring a bell...


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    The Official Switchback Unveil 9 Build Thread




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    All this shimano goodness

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    I am looking at the same gold line. Can you take some more detailed photos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    I am looking at the same gold line. Can you take some more detailed photos?
    Sure, Ill take some pics of the connections. Its a great kit.

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    The Official Switchback Unveil 9 Build Thread

    Dayum! That's Pimpilicious!


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    The green is for the money, the gold is for the hunnies.

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    The Official Switchback Unveil 9 Build Thread

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    That thing looks almost too good to ride!!

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    I just rode it to work after lunch. We will see how it is on the trail, but I agree, I dont want to mess it up.

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    I was gonna say the opposite, "now scratch that b*tch up!"

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    New bike first trail ritual....

    At the trail head, grab a handfull of dirt/sand and offer it to the wind and say the words "Hero dirt is all I seek" then rub the dirt on the tires and top tube. Then say "Good dirt always."

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    I got a good laugh imagining this. Would totally do it.

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    These are photos my Dan at Rock City Customs took as he did the frame. This is one of the more involved jobs you will see, as it is 4 layers of powder. Note how the green doesn't turn green until the clear coat is down.

    Ride report to follow soon, as of now, I have ridden it to work, so far so awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post



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    That's a great looking bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    That's a great looking bike.
    Thanks, I think bikes should be fast, and aesthetically pleasing.

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    Riding today in a technical park, its where I rode when I demod the WFO 9, so it will be a nice comparison.
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    Looks like a very large 2.3 is the limit if you want a front derailluer. Make sure that wheelset is stiff too. However, the 2.3 Weirwolf is a massive tire, my LBS was like "holy sh*t".

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    Yeah I was going to say that the Weirwolf actually measures out to be much larger than 2.3" if I remember correctly. I know that I measured my 2.25" Geax Goma and it comes in at 55mm at the casing dead on and 56.25cm at the knobs. Still a very rounded profile which is standard of the Geax tires. If you runn a wider rim in the back (like the 35mm carbon Derby or Light Bicycle) then you might run into problems with tires like that.

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    Oh wow...that is huge!

    Here's clearance with a 2.35 Nobby Nic

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    Its big. Frame has plenty of clearance, so a 1x with a 30t would be great for most trail riding. However, I need the top end.

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    The Official Switchback Unveil 9 Build Thread

    I may have to try our that WW 2.3....love me some HV tires


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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Riding today in a technical park, its where I rode when I demod the WFO 9, so it will be a nice comparison.
    Interested in your thoughts/comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SyT View Post
    Interested in your thoughts/comparison.
    Ditto... and definitely want to see more pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SyT View Post
    Interested in your thoughts/comparison.
    A straight comparison is tough, considering they had different shocks. The WFO has a Monarch Plus, which was outstanding. The bike pedaled well, and responded to large and medium bumps well, but quickly ate up travel in rock gardens. Had a nice feel over drops. Another shortfall was small bump sensitivity, it was lacking. However, you gain the difference in pedaling, and on 29" wheels its less of a concern, but it was a gripe non the less. Fitment on the WFO was what really killed the bike for me. For my height, the medium's top tube was short (like 22.8" I think), and the seatube was long (so long, the 100mm Reverb was too high). It was also very very slack. I think it was 67 degree head angle, which was too much. I think the short top tube was to counteract this.

    Here is my initial ride report on the Unveil 9. A detailed review will follow after this weekend. Fitment for me is dead on. Stays and angles are perfect to allow for stability and maneuverability. It handles slaloms, drops, switchbacks, jumps, and chunk beautifully.

    My biggest complaint, was the shock. In chunk, it was amazing. I never felt like my rear wheel was out of control, and the CTD setting were fantastic. I found myself leaving it in Trail, and forgetting about it, since the trail I was on did not allow time to be flipping switches. My gripe was drops and jumps. It felt like the shock blew through travel way easy compared to my old bike on drops. I am comparing it to a PUSHed RP23, but time will tell if I can get it tuned right.

    Another issue, and pictures to follow, was a High Direct mount derailluer with dual swing isnt compatible with large tires. At full travel, it scrapes the dual swing lever. Not a big problem, I just cut it off.

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    I was going to post up in my thread as I am still debating on the 1x vs. 2x thing. Which FD did you go with? I only plan on running 2.25" tires in the back so I was looking at a direct mount top pull Shimano SLX or XT FD. I know that the specs say High Direct Mount but that doesn't really translate to Shimano (Sram it does though).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    I was going to post up in my thread as I am still debating on the 1x vs. 2x thing. Which FD did you go with? I only plan on running 2.25" tires in the back so I was looking at a direct mount top pull Shimano SLX or XT FD. I know that the specs say High Direct Mount but that doesn't really translate to Shimano (Sram it does though).
    HDM is same on both manufacturers, and required for this frame. The two types of those are dual pull and top pull. The bottom pull lever of dual pull contacts the larger tires are full travel. I just cut it off.





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    Quote Originally Posted by car_nut View Post
    As the owner of this bikes illegitimate brother (Kona Satori), let me say:
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    My biggest complaint, was the shock. In chunk, it was amazing. I never felt like my rear wheel was out of control, and the CTD setting were fantastic. I found myself leaving it in Trail, and forgetting about it, since the trail I was on did not allow time to be flipping switches. My gripe was drops and jumps. It felt like the shock blew through travel way easy compared to my old bike on drops. I am comparing it to a PUSHed RP23, but time will tell if I can get it tuned right.
    Yep. I grew to hate my CTD. I was calling it the Crap/Turd/Dookie by the end of the second month. The Climb setting was useless. The Descend mode didn't improve small bump compliance at all, just made it blow through travel even more. It was ridiculous actually. I could roll off a small drop and it would land harsh, then look down and watch it ooze through 75% travel after the impact was over. It was truly the opposite of what I wanted in a shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by car_nut View Post
    Yep. I grew to hate my CTD. I was calling it the Crap/Turd/Dookie by the end of the second month. The Climb setting was useless. The Descend mode didn't improve small bump compliance at all, just made it blow through travel even more. It was ridiculous actually. I could roll off a small drop and it would land harsh, then look down and watch it ooze through 75% travel after the impact was over. It was truly the opposite of what I wanted in a shock.
    What did you end up switching to? Or did you?

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    I am really hoping for more information on the Manitou MaCleod shock and hope that the tuning is better. I know that the Monarch + and CC DB (inline) are better tuned for this but I just don't have that kind of money to dump on a new shock, even with being able to sell the CTD for around $250.

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    Quote Originally Posted by car_nut View Post
    As the owner of this bikes illegitimate brother (Kona Satori), let me say:
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    Hard to get the high volume can w/this size shock. The Debonair should be available soon which I believe comes with a high volume standard.

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    Manitou McLeod is a nice shock. The one I rode didn't have full lockout, and was setup as a more of a "full open or climb" with an active (traction) climbing platform. Regardless, flipping the switch made a big difference. I found it was considerably more plush and responsive in its full open position than the Fox CTD and seemed smoother than an older Monarch I had ridden.

    What I think everyone wants out of a shock these days is a low speed compression switch that ACTUALLY WORKS. Tune the shock for the downhills, but be able to hit that switch and minimize pedal bob with just a tad bit of subtle traction.

    You'd think it would be easy to do this, but the manufacturers seem to be struggling with it, at least until recently. They've made the big shocks perform like smaller ones, now the trick is making the smaller shocks perform like big ones. I think the Cane Creek Inline is the first big step in making a non-reservoir "short travel" shock perform like a bigger unit. It'll be interesting to see peoples opinions on the Monarch Debonair (without reservoir) and the McLeod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    Manitou McLeod is a nice shock. The one I rode didn't have full lockout, and was setup as a more of a "full open or climb" with an active (traction) climbing platform. Regardless, flipping the switch made a big difference. I found it was considerably more plush and responsive in its full open position than the Fox CTD and seemed smoother than an older Monarch I had ridden.

    What I think everyone wants out of a shock these days is a low speed compression switch that ACTUALLY WORKS. Tune the shock for the downhills, but be able to hit that switch and minimize pedal bob with just a tad bit of subtle traction.

    You'd think it would be easy to do this, but the manufacturers seem to be struggling with it, at least until recently. They've made the big shocks perform like smaller ones, now the trick is making the smaller shocks perform like big ones. I think the Cane Creek Inline is the first big step in making a non-reservoir "short travel" shock perform like a bigger unit. It'll be interesting to see peoples opinions on the Monarch Debonair (without reservoir) and the McLeod.
    I dont mind a big shock, I just need something that works. The Fox DHX may be an option, if not a Cane Creek.

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    yeah from what I have seen it seems that the McLeod will be a great shock however I thought it was supposed to be a 4 setting shock (3 options with a complete lockout separate). I know that there is one member here on the forums that will be testing it for Manitou as he is a true clyde and has worked with them on tuning of other products for clydes.

    Here is Pinkbike's article on it from Sea Otter....

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    It is a 4 setting shock but I was merely riding it in only two. I wanted to see how locked out the most firm setting was and how open the full-open was.

    And you really don't want or need a DHX for a 130mm bike like the Unveil9. Getting the CTD Pushed or professionally tuned would help tremendously, or going to something with more adjustment like the Inline.
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    What size is the shock on this bike?

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    Still working though small issues on the bike and getting used to it. I'll have a full overview/review after this weekend.

    Went for a ride today, a stick punctured my Weiwolf. I'm running Trucker Co sealant, and it sprayed spectacularly for a little bit, but once it contacted some dirt, it sealed up. I was a little worried. I was lucky I was 1 mile from the trailhead. I finished the ride and it looked like a wad of gum over the hole. Peeled it off and I was good. I am hoping it was a freak accident and not a common occurrence, as I am really, really liking these tires.

    The trail I was on today was more dirt singletrack than moab style terrain (first ride), and the bike felt much better. Climb worked great on climbs, and for the descent, Descend was perfectly plush and sooo smooth, the bike felt like a magic carpet. However, there were no drops this ride, so I need to experiment more on those before I make a final decision on the rear shock. I am still leaning toward a Double Barrel, however.

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    Sounds like the bike is killer.... You getting stoked for Snomass?! Seems like you should have everything dialed by then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Sounds like the bike is killer.... You getting stoked for Snomass?! Seems like you should have everything dialed by then.
    I am, and I should. Lacerated my forearm today in a nasty whipeout, but the bike is riding awesome. It will all be ready in time, bashguard and chainguide is on the way. After another ride today, Im convinced this bike is a rocket.

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    I am, and I should. Lacerated my forearm today in a nasty whipeout,

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    Eh... rub some dirt on it! Now the real question is, is the bike ok?! LOL

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    Ruh Roh, Is that going to mess up the Tat?
    Saddle up, Effendi. We ride.

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    Yes, it will a bit

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    The Unveil 9 proving grounds. Review to follow tonight, just gotta type it up.




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    Full Review: I'll go over each component individually.

    The Frame: The frame is well built, and is everything I hoped it would be. A modern version of my Titus, with more aggressive angles. Its extremely stiff, and the 2.3's have 1cm clearance on both sides, and have not rubbed on drops up to 4 feet. The chainstays are a balanced 17.5" and keep the bike playful, while still maintaining a large amount of high speed stability. The bottom bracket is raised slightly by the longer fork, but it feels like a good height, as I still pedal strike and would hate to have it any lower. The choice to not have a PF BB was very appreciated as well. The head tube is also a reasonable length, and keep the cockpit low enough for my tastes. I am 5'8" on the medium, and with a 125mm Command Post, it is a low as it can go and its perfect. The TT length, at 23.6, with a 45mm stem and 760mm bars, is spot on. I am comfortable on the bike, and have great control.

    Wheels:
    I hand built some WTB Frequency i25s to XT M785 hubs. The rims built up nice, and are the advertised ERD, no a common thing in the rim world. They are superbly stiff, and did not break the bank or scale. I am running WTB WeirWolf 2.3 tires, in the AM casing. They roll extremely well, and don't have as much traction as say, a TrailKing, but they also break free predictably rather than dumping the bike immediately. I did have a stick puncture the rear wheel, which my sealant sealed up after losing most of the air. I also had a few front end wash outs, and a nasty, both wheel washout because I jumping for a berm and came up short. Not the tires fault, but mine. I left some blood on the trail on the second one.

    Suspension:
    I had the Fox Float 29 converted to the 2014 CTD dampner. I also extended the travel to 150mm. Overall, the fork is great. No flex, and all three settings of the CTD are useful. The Trail Adjust is a great feature as well. In Climb, the fork is nearly locked out. Trail is great for rolling singletrack, and Descend is a "Magic Carpet Ride". Its amazing.
    The rear shock is a 2013 CTD, Trail Adjust. The Climb has less of a lockout feel than the fork, but it still climbs well in the saddle. Standing, it does have some bob. The Trail and Descend modes are great, with the exception of drops. Drops with hard landings are rough, I dont know if I need a shock with a smoother ramp up, or more travel, but big drops hurt my ankles. Which is ok, most of my air time is at a fast speed, so landings aren't bad. A CCDB may be in my future.

    Drivetrain:
    I am running a full XT group, with a 24-34 Blackspire combo in the front. I think the big ring doesn't play well with either the double or triple front derailleurs I tried, because it has a tendency to dump the chain to the outside. Careful adjustment and a bashguard solved the problem, but I do have to shift the front with authority, or it will skip for a while before catching. Did not have any issues out on the trail.

    Brakes:
    XTR rotors with "Freeza" tech, M785 levers with M775 calipers. Jagwire Hyflow hoses. These brakes stop incredibly well, by far my favorite brake combo to date. The rotors are noisier that most due the aluminum/steel sandwhich on the braking surface. However, its not annoying, you just hear the brakes doing work. The M775 calipers are stiffer than their predecessors, hence why I am running them. I like the new levers, they have a great feel to them, and I Spec is great.

    Cockpit:
    Running Loaded Carbon bars and their DH stem, so far so good, they are very stiff and light, and a good price. A perfect combo, they made a loyal customer out of me. The Specialized Command post (2014 model) has been great, fast return, high middle and low positions are perfect, and its all black to boot. Time will tell on durability. The Fizik Gobi saddle is a classic, but dated. Its getting replaced with a WTB Volt when I feel like buying one. It just doesn't agree with me like it used to, now it makes a nerve in my left leg go numb.

    Overall:
    For under $2K, I have built a screaming fast bike. I find myself going faster, yet using my brakes more, as this thing feels like it wants to accelerate out of control going downhill. It doesn't climb like a cross country rig, yet don't get me wrong, it will clear techy climbs way better than any small wheeled big or hardtail I have ridden. It just requires a forceful touch to make it track straight uphill.

    This bike is going to have a rough life, as I push myself and the bike to the limits this race season.

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    That's awesome dude and seems like the bike is really doing what you want it to. Do you possibly think that the tendency to wander while climbing has anything to do with the 150mm travel length? What about weight distribution while you are riding these areas? And just how "technical and steep" are we talking about here?

    Reason I ask is that I have some somewhat technical climbs in a trail that I ride at least once a month. While not overly technical they are quite rocky but the extended nature of the climb and the ability of the pitch to go from a consistent 5% grade over a couple hundred yards to a sudden increase of 15% for anywhere from 20ft to 100ft happens fairly regularly. Since I will be adjusting the travel on the Revelation I have I am wondering how much it will feel different as I normally feel quite planted on my 100mm travel HT (oh and I am a seated climber for most of it).

    Like you said, I do not expect this to climb like an XC rig, it is a 28lbs+ FS trail bike ffs, but I also don't want to extend the travel so much that I feel like I have to work harder to keep the nose planted than to keep pace/cadence going up the damn hill!!! But then again I guess that is all the fun about how we ride... Bust your ass to get up the hill and then bust a gut laughing hysterically on the downhill from having so much fun!!

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    Well, the long fork, short stem, and setback seatpost all contribute the the bike wandering when climbing. That said, its not that bad. It climbs better than the Spesh Enduro 29er.

    The trails I am riding are pretty nasty, its hard to describe, because its hard to compare trails neither person has ridden. Put it this way, they are every bit as challenging, or worse than, Porcupine in Moab. However 90% of the time when you dont make a climb, its because its not a possible (for mortals) climb. I am also a seated climber, except when the terrain makes me stand.

    You just have to adjust you're technique, make sure to slide forward in the saddle and "crouch" over the pedals. And always, in tech, speed is your ally.

    What travel are you planning on running that Revelation at?

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    Ok sounds like she still climbs like a billygoat, rather a fat billygoat but still a billygoat.. LOL

    As for the Rev, I plan to max out the travel at 140mm and see how it feels. If after a few months I dont like it I will drop to the 130mm like TwoNin9r has his setup.

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    I loved your review, so please don't take my short comment as anything other than me being crunched for time, but I wanted to comment on the climbing ability. Greg, I've got my fork set up at 130mm and my saddle in a more climb-friendly position, I think you'll find that FBs setup is pretty (gnarly) trail specific at 150mm because at 130 It climbs really efficiently, but I can see how above that it could waver a bit.

    FB, absolutely loved your review and my compliments on an incredibly unique and fast rig. Looking forward to following this thread closely for updates and more pictures of the "green and gold" (fitting, as most will probably be envious) trail machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    I loved your review, so please don't take my short comment as anything other than me being crunched for time, but I wanted to comment on the climbing ability. Greg, I've got my fork set up at 130mm and my saddle in a more climb-friendly position, I think you'll find that FBs setup is pretty (gnarly) trail specific at 150mm because at 130 It climbs really efficiently, but I can see how above that it could waver a bit.

    FB, absolutely loved your review and my compliments on an incredibly unique and fast rig. Looking forward to following this thread closely for updates and more pictures of the "green and gold" (fitting, as most will probably be envious) trail machine.

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    Thanks TwoNiner. This bike still has some evolving to do, but at very least we have shown how versatile the bike is.

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    Very true. Mine is really more a trail bike with xc stylings. A hybrid of sorts. That being said. Flow /hope pro2 evo wheelset is on the way and the fork is going up to 140 :-P

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    Very true. Mine is really more a trail bike with xc stylings. A hybrid of sorts. That being said. Flow /hope pro2 evo wheelset is on the way and the fork is going up to 140 :-P

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    Thank you. Keep those pics coming! Have a good day.

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    Yeah I know that I will love the bike once I get used to the different feel. As I have said before, I am an analyst by nature and job so I go through the processes no matter what I do (Cost Benefit of this part vs. that, Return on Investment of going this travel over that over long periods of time, etc.) so lots of this is me getting the information down, getting the qualitative input and doing the processing.

    For me, the understanding that a frame is measured at 68* HTA with a 140mm stem and the knowledge that a frame will slacken/stiffen approximately 1* for every 10mm of travel increase/decrease plays a role in the understanding of how a bike will handle for my riding style, terrain, etc.

    LOL... as you guys can see this is a sickness for me and now you have some understanding as to why I cannot just go out and purchase a bike from a store. Funny thing is that my LBS owner knows this so he takes no offense when I buy something elsewhere or that he does not have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Yeah I know that I will love the bike once I get used to the different feel. As I have said before, I am an analyst by nature and job so I go through the processes no matter what I do (Cost Benefit of this part vs. that, Return on Investment of going this travel over that over long periods of time, etc.) so lots of this is me getting the information down, getting the qualitative input and doing the processing.

    For me, the understanding that a frame is measured at 68* HTA with a 140mm stem and the knowledge that a frame will slacken/stiffen approximately 1* for every 10mm of travel increase/decrease plays a role in the understanding of how a bike will handle for my riding style, terrain, etc.

    LOL... as you guys can see this is a sickness for me and now you have some understanding as to why I cannot just go out and purchase a bike from a store. Funny thing is that my LBS owner knows this so he takes no offense when I buy something elsewhere or that he does not have.
    I understand the struggle. Dont forget fork length changes BB height. However, 68 degrees is a sweet spot for a trail bike. Im at 67, but I also ride very rough terrain.

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    Yeah that is the other compensating factor.... I will have the ability to ride rough terrain like you are talking but ultimately will ride this more as an XC/Trail machine than an All-Mountain bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Yeah that is the other compensating factor.... I will have the ability to ride rough terrain like you are talking but ultimately will ride this more as an XC/Trail machine than an All-Mountain bike.
    With a 130 or a 140, its still very capable. People get wrapped around the axle on bike type, but Ive seen dudes rip some gnarly trail on fat bikes or even rigid bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    With a 130 or a 140, its still very capable. People get wrapped around the axle on bike type, but Ive seen dudes rip some gnarly trail on fat bikes or even rigid bikes.

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    I think the most neat aspect of your build was coming in under 2k invested for a bike as nice as you have in your posession with your own graphics and paint scheme. Every time you ride that bike I bet you stop on the trail for a break and sit and stare at it.

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    I've been following your guys threads for quite a while. I'm an old guy riding a Pivot mach 5.7. The only 29er I've ever ridden was the 2014 Salsa Horsethief 1. I liked it a lot. Rolled up hills and over everything in it's path, yet pedaled really well. Felt like a 29er that wasn't a 29er. How would you guys compare the Hammerhead to the Horsethief? I would appreciate your opinions. Also, what if you break something on the frame? Are you out of luck or are they still building these frames and parts? Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by YetiBear View Post
    I've been following your guys threads for quite a while. I'm an old guy riding a Pivot mach 5.7. The only 29er I've ever ridden was the 2014 Salsa Horsethief 1. I liked it a lot. Rolled up hills and over everything in it's path, yet pedaled really well. Felt like a 29er that wasn't a 29er. How would you guys compare the Hammerhead to the Horsethief? I would appreciate your opinions. Also, what if you break something on the frame? Are you out of luck or are they still building these frames and parts? Thanks
    They are still building them and they have a warranty. However, I would challenge you to break one.

    On paper the Horsethief is a similar bike. Geo numbers are very similar, so the ride should be similar. There is only so you can do to change a ride in the same geometry and travel range.

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    Re: The Official Switchback Unveil 9 Build Thread

    Where is that chain going? Nowhere.



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    Lol... Where you goin'? Nowhere.

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    Boondock Saints FTW

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    Top 5 easily

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    Ha!

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    FastBanana, could you post some detail pics of your cable routing?
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    FastBanana, could you post some detail pics of your cable routing?
    I will tomorrow. Its all typical, except I route my cables at the headtube just so, as to stay level and not rub.

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    Re: The Official Switchback Unveil 9 Build Thread

    The Unveil 9 at 8000 feet.
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    I see what you mean about the cable routing. Looks extremely functional. I like.

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    Re: The Official Switchback Unveil 9 Build Thread

    New Shoes, Sidi Spiders
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    And new pedals
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    Re: The Official Switchback Unveil 9 Build Thread

    More cable routing pics
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    Ooooowwww... purty shoes!!!!
    I am debating on whether I want to get the M540 pedals (SLX version of the XT Trails) or the plain jane M520 (standard clipless). Those XT do look nice though.

    So are you doing the Crested Butte 5Day? Pinkbike has a video on it and all I can say is DAMN!!! You have to be a MONSTER to do all 5days and survive!

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    Ooooowwww... purty shoes!!!!
    I am debating on whether I want to get the M540 pedals (SLX version of the XT Trails) or the plain jane M520 (standard clipless). Those XT do look nice though.

    So are you doing the Crested Butte 5Day? Pinkbike has a video on it and all I can say is DAMN!!! You have to be a MONSTER to do all 5days and survive!
    I would, but I can get 5 days off of work, sadly. Not to mention the cost, oh dear lord it would be a $1000 dollar event all said and done.

    Just rolling around the parking lot, Im sooo impressed with the pedals. I have been an eggbeater rider for years, but have grown to hate all the float and pulling out of the pedal randomly. With the SPDs, no more pulling out, and no excessive float. However, I will probably fall a few times retraining myself to exit them.

    What I like about them, is the control. They allow me to pick up the rear of the bike and plant it where I want, and even swing the bike 90 degrees in the event of a tight switchback.

    I have a pair of M520s I just put on the hardtail, all you get for the extra price is durability of the bearings, bushings, and seals. Function and weight are nearly identical.

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    And the shoes feel great too, The Spider is a step up from the Dominators (8 years old) I have. The tread is replaceable and they are incredibly stiff. On sale too. I tried on the Teradurros, and a few other "enduro" shoes, and wasnt impressed at all. Sidis for me.

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    Re: The Official Switchback Unveil 9 Build Thread

    Picked this up for snowmass as well.


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    The Official Switchback Unveil 9 Build Thread

    Awesome updates, love it!


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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    have grown to hate..... pulling out .... randomly. With the SPDs, no more pulling out, .......
    LOL.... and fixed!!!

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    I would, but I can get 5 days off of work, sadly. Not to mention the cost, oh dear lord it would be a $1000 dollar event all said and done.

    Just rolling around the parking lot, Im sooo impressed with the pedals. I have been an eggbeater rider for years, but have grown to hate all the float and pulling out of the pedal randomly. With the SPDs, no more pulling out, and no excessive float. However, I will probably fall a few times retraining myself to exit them.

    What I like about them, is the control. They allow me to pick up the rear of the bike and plant it where I want, and even swing the bike 90 degrees in the event of a tight switchback.

    I have a pair of M520s I just put on the hardtail, all you get for the extra price is durability of the bearings, bushings, and seals. Function and weight are nearly identical.

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    Yeah I have the SLX and then a pair of the 520s... both are great and the only real difference is the addition of the actual pedal body to make it a flat, mechanism is almost identical. I started out on mine with the lightest setting possible so I could get used to them. But from there I have made them tighter over the years so I could easily get in and out.

    When I had the 520s on my road bike (commuter) I had them pretty much at the lightest setting because it just made getting out at stop lights and what not much easier. Thinking of grabbing another pair of the SLXs for the Thumper..

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    Re: The Official Switchback Unveil 9 Build Thread

    Specialized Butcher Tires for Snowmass. Have Vigilantes on order, but are arriving a few hours after I leave. So these will have to do, the loose terrain makes these a requirement.

    Note they are much smaller than a Weirwolf. The do have a nice profile on this rim, and setup beautifully.
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