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    NO more SE racing STOUT 29er for 2012

    I saw in facebook that SE RACING has there 2012 catalog of new bikes. but I didn't see the 2012 STOUT 29er.
    so I posted what happen to the stout to which they responded not for 2012 enjoy the 11s while there out.

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    I think the SS movement is dying out a bit. People want bikes with sliding DOs that they can run SS or geared, not a frame with horizontal DOs
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    Maybe they (The Stout) didn't sell well. They usually had large quantities at online retailers at the end of the year as blow out prices. Most other manufacturers single speed are still available.

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    +1 on that...

    Quote Originally Posted by PoisonDartFrog View Post
    I think the SS movement is dying out a bit. People want bikes with sliding DOs that they can run SS or geared, not a frame with horizontal DOs
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoisonDartFrog View Post
    I think the SS movement is dying out a bit. People want bikes with sliding DOs that they can run SS or geared, not a frame with horizontal DOs
    I think more than that, people don't want the downsides of discs on a track end frame. With so many other dropouts that don't require adjusting your brakes everytime you change gearing, it's a tough sell.

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    Weren't those Stouts essentially 29er BMX-style bikes? How big is the market for that sort of thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonathanGennick View Post
    Weren't those Stouts essentially 29er BMX-style bikes? How big is the market for that sort of thing?
    No, SE does make a 29er BMX style bike (Big Ripper) but it wasn't the Stout

    Companies stop making bikes for a reason, they aren't making a profit on them. Same reason GT stopped making the Peace 9R, cool bike but only sold when heavily discounted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72 View Post
    No, SE does make a 29er BMX style bike (Big Ripper) but it wasn't the Stout

    Companies stop making bikes for a reason, they aren't making a profit on them. Same reason GT stopped making the Peace 9R, cool bike but only sold when heavily discounted.
    Yep, and to expand on that: just because one company isn't making a profit on that type of bike doesn't mean the whole market is going downhill.

    One issue that can come up for companies like SE is that not enough of their local dealers might be the kind of shops where people go for MTBs. Those dealers are less likely to decide to invest in inventory for their floor, which of course makes them far less likely to sell any of that model. Or if it is an MTB shop then SE is likely a secondary brand and the dealer might be prioritizing for floor models in that price range from their main MTB brand

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    I think free ride bikes are going down hill.

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    I bought a 2011 from jenson for 480.00 three weeks ago. Glad I got it when I did. All my other bikes are sitting collecting dust right now. Stock rims setup tubeless with stans yellow tape. Changed the tires to shwalbe RR's and it weighs 25.70 lbs.
    I put some disc brakes I had in the bin on and it gained a pound. I think I'm going back to the v brakes. I also have a origin 8 carbon fork on the way. It should be 24.7. Pretty awesome deal
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    Some pictures of my Stout. I'm pretty stoked on this bike. It is my first 29er and single speed and rigid. It is seriously fun. I'm not sure exactly why yet...










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    I don't suppose it has anything to do with the narrowest of profit margins on a 300 dollar bicycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoisonDartFrog View Post
    I think the SS movement is dying out a bit. People want bikes with sliding DOs that they can run SS or geared, not a frame with horizontal DOs
    That's why BD kept running out of various sizes of the Bullseye and Deadeye, cuz it's a fad that's dying out .

    The BE, DE and Stout all have track ends, not horizontal dropouts, that will work with the correct type of RD hanger such as the one that comes with the BD rigs. Very easy to convert to multi-geared as they work very similar to sliders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jim311 View Post
    i don't suppose it has anything to do with the narrowest of profit margins on a 300 dollar bicycle.
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    The Redline Monocog is a horizontal dropout frame and isn't having a popularity problem that I know about. I don't think this type of bike is dying out, the SE just wasn't a popular model so they dropped it.
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    Cheaper bikes are the dependable bread-and-butter sales that keep the lights on in a lot of shops. A niche bike like this probably doesn't rake in the same number of sales as a lot of the more universal bikes in the same price range, but still, small margins aren't too big a reason for shops to avoid a bike when the upfront investment for them is smaller and so is the potential loss from putting it on sale at the end of the season

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    I just don't think the Stout has quite the "cult" following as the Monocog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dhalsey View Post
    I bought a 2011 from jenson for 480.00 three weeks ago. Glad I got it when I did.
    Hey dhalsey. thats a good deal, I was able to get the bike from them at $400.00 price match.

    as for how to save some weight what do you recomend.

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    Found a dealer who has the SE Stout and he was telling me it is "cassette ready" meaning if I decided to upgrade/add a 7-9 speed, it would fit and would not have to get another wheel. Can someone comment on this? I have been looking at the Gravity 29 and BullsEye and if I did want to go 1x7,8, or 9, would I need a complete new rear wheel? Help please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimx200 View Post
    Found a dealer who has the SE Stout and he was telling me it is "cassette ready" meaning if I decided to upgrade/add a 7-9 speed, it would fit and would not have to get another wheel. Can someone comment on this? I have been looking at the Gravity 29 and BullsEye and if I did want to go 1x7,8, or 9, would I need a complete new rear wheel? Help please.
    The rear hub is a cassette hub (7 speed with spacer, 8,9,10 cassettes work without spacer). The chain tensioner has a derailleur hanger on it. The frame comes with cable guides for a rear derailleur housing and cable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72 View Post
    The rear hub is a cassette hub (7 speed with spacer, 8,9,10 cassettes work without spacer). The chain tensioner has a derailleur hanger on it. The frame comes with cable guides for a rear derailleur housing and cable.

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    hello mtnbiker, I would like to see if you know by any chance what are the items that I have to buy to make the Stout a 1x9 like what derailleur and stuff, I don't have an Idea and have some extra money to buy but don't know. and thaks for that site I will read it.

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    It's a shame to see the Stout go -- I had one to review on my blog, and it was a ton of fun to ride. Seems like the supply online has dried up too, but I did find one seller that had new 17" (medium) 2011 Stouts for $330. That's even cheaper than BD sells it's cheapest SS 29er. I've been thinking of picking up a budget SS 29er, so this is tempting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hkp2000 View Post
    hello mtnbiker, I would like to see if you know by any chance what are the items that I have to buy to make the Stout a 1x9 like what derailleur and stuff, I don't have an Idea and have some extra money to buy but don't know. and thaks for that site I will read it.
    You need a 9 speed shifter and derailleur. I use XT for both of these, but you can pick your own. On other bikes I've been happy with much lower level shimano components. Just make sure the shifter and derailleurs match (both shimano or SRAM; there are some exceptions). The bike should have come with a derailleur hanger to bolt the derailleur to.

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    BC, did this dealer have one in a 21"? If so, let me know. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimx200 View Post
    BC, did this dealer have one in a 21"? If so, let me know. Thanks
    The Amazon listing is only for the 17" model, but you might contact the seller to see if they have any other sizes.
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    Ahem, apparently whatever you read on Facebook was wrong. To wit:

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    That pic comes direct from their website:

    Stout 29er

    Hard to find but it's there. Notice it now comes with a double butted frame, external bearing BB and tapered fork. Not a bad bike out of the box and a reported 2.4 lb weight loss.

    I talked to the nice folks at Adrenaline Bikes and while they do not stock them they can get them pretty quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyg View Post
    Ahem, apparently whatever you read on Facebook was wrong. To wit:

    Adrenaline Bikes, Chumba Mountain Bikes, Mountain Bike Accessories, Mountain Bike Parts, Bicycle Accessories

    That pic comes direct from their website:

    Stout 29er

    Hard to find but it's there. Notice it now comes with a double butted frame, external bearing BB and tapered fork. Not a bad bike out of the box and a reported 2.4 lb weight loss.

    I talked to the nice folks at Adrenaline Bikes and while they do not stock them they can get them pretty quick.
    It looks like a fun bike, but that doesn't change the fact that they are not in the 2012 catalog. Even Adrenaline has the 2011''s listed.

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    I was going on what the folks at Adrenaline told me about the 2012 model. If that was incorrect, was the 2011 model a major revision to the previous versions? Just curious.

    I am considering this bike though at $499 plus shipping it gets a little more difficult for me to swallow it's many shortcomings (nutted hubs, canti's, canti bosses, etc.) as compared to a properly constructed, optioned rigid SS. For the cost of getting the Stout "right" I can pick up a Kona Unit, Felt 9 Solo or Redline Monocog 29er Flight.

    Do agree it would be fun to personalize the Stout and for sure many on this forum have done a great job doing just that.

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    Yeah, the stout is done. SE didn't market them and the shops didn't carry them. They'd have to get blown out each fall. It was a very cool bike, especially at closeout pricing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by randyg View Post
    I was going on what the folks at Adrenaline told me about the 2012 model. If that was incorrect, was the 2011 model a major revision to the previous versions? Just curious.

    I am considering this bike though at $499 plus shipping it gets a little more difficult for me to swallow it's many shortcomings (nutted hubs, canti's, canti bosses, etc.) as compared to a properly constructed, optioned rigid SS. For the cost of getting the Stout "right" I can pick up a Kona Unit, Felt 9 Solo or Redline Monocog 29er Flight.
    Yes, I have it straight from SE that the Stout is no more -- 2011 was the last model year. At 26.3 lbs., the 2011 model was over 2 pounds less than the 2010 model -- mostly due to a tapered fork.

    The Stout is a fun bike, but not sure I'd pay $499 now. In addition to the bikes you mentioned, you might find some deals on GT Peace single speeds, and bikesdirect.com has some SS 29ers to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeginnerCycling View Post
    Yes, I have it straight from SE that the Stout is no more -- 2011 was the last model year. At 26.3 lbs., the 2011 model was over 2 pounds less than the 2010 model -- mostly due to a tapered fork.

    The Stout is a fun bike, but not sure I'd pay $499 now. In addition to the bikes you mentioned, you might find some deals on GT Peace single speeds, and bikesdirect.com has some SS 29ers to consider.
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    I'm glad I got mine when I did. I ride it more than any of my other bikes. I think if they give it a couple more years. They would catch on like wildfire. Looptail rear end, a super forgiving frame. I went a little bit crazy customizing mine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dhalsey View Post
    I'm glad I got mine when I did. I ride it more than any of my other bikes. I think if they give it a couple more years. They would catch on like wildfire. Looptail rear end, a super forgiving frame. I went a little bit crazy customizing mine.


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    Hey dhalsey, on the frame is it paint or powder coat, plus can you list what are your upgrades.


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    Very nice! I'd also be interested in seeing a list of your upgrades.

    I have looked for decent deals on a 17" Stout, but haven't found any. So, I have a Nashbar 29er on backorder -- it is supposed to be the same frame as the 2008 SE Stout (they were aluminum then, not sure if they switched back to steel in 2009 or 2010)
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