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    Niner ROS9 All-Mountain hardtail

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    67 HA, 73 SA @140mm, 16.8" CS, 142x12 Maxle Rear, MSRP $899 USD (frame, and maxle)














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    "Zero mm of travel is efficient in every chainring." Made me chuckle.

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    Ride Over Sh*t ....great name and a very cool bike. I really want one

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    Very nice......had me sold.....til I saw the EBB.
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    Nice ..but:
    Actual chain-stay 16.8", they've shortened the top-tube and max 2.35 rear tyre (or tire!). Hmm.

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    Niner ROS9 All-Mountain hardtail

    Quote Originally Posted by Clink View Post
    they've shortened the top-tube
    That makes sense for this style of frame.

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    I thought the name was Roots of Steel because Niner's first bike was steel?

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    WEIGHT?

    If its under 5lbs, I'll be pleasantly surprised because at $900 the Carver Ti 420 starts too look obtainable.
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    16.8" cs...would have been better if it were a tiny bit shorter

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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    That makes sense for this style of frame.
    Does it? 24" ett on Honzo (18") with short stem works well IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clink View Post
    Nice ..but:
    Actual chain-stay 16.8", they've shortened the top-tube and max 2.35 rear tyre (or tire!). Hmm.
    Ooops. Looked at the wrong column.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clink View Post
    Does it? 24" ett on Honzo (18") with short stem works well IMO.
    What size are we talking about? What I'm getting at is that in general, I think these style frames benefit from a tighter cockpit due to more of an upright, centered riding position. Just shortening the stem on XC geometry doesn't accomplish that.

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    Well, I am going to assume this thing will not be discounted anytime soon. So does anyone know which Northern California LBS or online retailer will be most likely to have one for sale the soonest?

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    https://s3.amazonaws.com/MarketingDe...OSLOGO_600.jpg

    This image would make a great tshirt....this image was in todays Niner's newsletter

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    Niner ROS9 All-Mountain hardtail

    Not crazy about their choice to use an EBB.

    Also from the newsletter: "Tabs under the bottom bracket shell accept an proprietary MRP XCG bash guard for optional extra protection".
    Curious decision here rather than just using standard ICGS mounts. I can only guess that ICSG wasn't possible due to the EBB.

    Nice looking bike otherwise, although I will stick with my Yelli.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rushman3 View Post
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/MarketingDe...OSLOGO_600.jpg

    This image would make a great tshirt....this image was in todays Niner's newsletter
    Agreed. I had the same thought. I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen sooner or later.

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    Niner ROS9 All-Mountain hardtail

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    I thought the name was Roots of Steel because Niner's first bike was steel?
    Pretty sure Niner's first bike was the ONE9 which is Aluminum. The SIR9 came later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clink View Post
    Nice ..but:
    Actual chain-stay 16.8", they've shortened the top-tube and max 2.35 rear tyre (or tire!). Hmm.
    It looks like they've got a Hans Dampf 2.35" on there, in which case the rear clearance should be pretty good. That's a big tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clink View Post
    Nice ..but:
    Actual chain-stay 16.8", they've shortened the top-tube and max 2.35 rear tyre (or tire!). Hmm.
    Does actual CS length matter? Is it like TT vs ETT? In my head, it makes sense that Eff. CS is what matters vs actual CS, but I'm not that knowledgeable.

    Regardless, it looks like a pretty nice frame. $900 for a 4130 frame is disappointing. I was hoping for at least the 853. I'm sure it will still ride nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej View Post
    Very nice......had me sold.....til I saw the EBB.
    I ride a Banshee Paradox and thought that this is the first Niner I would like to buy and then I too saw the EBB. Disappointing.
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    I have never been a big fan of the Niners I have ridden but this one makes me salivate. Should be a fun bike. Too bad I don't need a new hardtail.

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    I'll 3rd that one! No interest in not using gears, why buy something that'll probably give trouble and add weight when I don't need it, sliders would have been a much better option. Also price, For that coin I'd take one of the Titus Ti Fireline EVOs anyday or a custom Curtlo steel.

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    Very nice......had me sold.....til I saw the EBB.
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    I ride a Banshee Paradox and thought that this is the first Niner I would like to buy and then I too saw the EBB. Disappointing.
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    Niner ROS9 All-Mountain hardtail

    Quote Originally Posted by rushman3 View Post
    This image would make a great tshirt....this image was in todays Niner's newsletter
    Looks like it already is a t-shirt. See what the guy holding the scale is wearing?
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    While the maxle rear end is nice. EBB = no thanks and for $900, huh? I'll leave it for the Niner lovers and stick to my Nimble 9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sicboy541 View Post
    While the maxle rear end is nice. EBB = no thanks and for $900, huh? I'll leave it for the Niner lovers and stick to my Nimble 9.
    While I love EBB's more than sliding drops, the new Nimble 9's are just too sexy. And much better priced. I'd imagine the weight would be just a tad over 5lbs, which means no real difference. Can't really see a reason to go with the Niner.

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    6.8lbs? Really?
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    nevermind
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    And why the massively long headtube lengths? The XL is 145mm long, in comparison my XL Honzo is 110mm long, 10mm of spacers, Chromag 25mm rise bars and it fits spot on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    And why the massively long headtube lengths? The XL is 145mm long, in comparison my XL Honzo is 110mm long, 10mm of spacers, Chromag 25mm rise bars and it fits spot on.
    Dude. 110mm (Honzo) + 10mm spacers + 25mm rise bars = 145mm.

    If anything, this bike should fit you better and not look goofy with no spacers, a flat bar, and zero degree stem. Just saying.

    Maybe I've completely missed something, which is entirely possible.

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    The head tube length is inline with their other models, XL Rip 9 RDO is 145mm. Niner has never had short head tubes compared to other manufacturers.

    Regardless, I'm bummed that the WFO RDO wasn't announced today

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    Quote Originally Posted by sicboy541 View Post
    While the maxle rear end is nice. EBB = no thanks and for $900, huh? I'll leave it for the Niner lovers and stick to my Nimble 9.
    Yeah, I'll keep my Nimble with it's 16.25" stays too.

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    Still waiting for someone to build this bike in carbon...

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    Geo Chart shows 16.8" is to the center of the EBB shell, so with the EBB in a rear position it would make the CS significantly shorter. I am stoked to see the EBB because I only have one use left for a hardtail... my singlespeed. And currently my ss is a dorky XC geo bike and is going up for sale as soon as I have a SS ROS built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    I thought the name was Roots of Steel because Niner's first bike was steel?

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    If its under 5lbs, I'll be pleasantly surprised because at $900 the Carver Ti 420 starts too look obtainable.
    We can dream! I doubt it though. Kona honzo is 4130, looks very similar, and weighs around 6.5 pounds. Sliders instead of Ebb.
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    These bikes are total pigs set up SS. I had my Honzo set up SS for 1 ride and it was miserable. The climbing was awful with a 140mm Marz 44, but the main kicker was I couldnt get any serious speed on the descents!
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    Who ended-up finally naming that damn bike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GSJ1973 View Post
    Dude. 110mm (Honzo) + 10mm spacers + 25mm rise bars = 145mm.

    If anything, this bike should fit you better and not look goofy with no spacers, a flat bar, and zero degree stem. Just saying.

    Maybe I've completely missed something, which is entirely possible.
    How would it fit me better?

    I never really liked the feel of any flat bar I've tried, plus with such a tall headtube length, even with a flat bar, you still need a spacer or two under the stem to clear the top tube with the controls to not smack them into the top tube during a crash. Or run a truly weird brake lever angle. I ran zero spacers last season but had too many close calls in crashes and I'd like my top tube to stay damage free.

    Also played around with a few more spacers on my setup last year before trimming steeree, for a total of 20mm below the stem and it was too high, washed out the front end, didn't have too much weight on the front with so many spacers. Or maybe it's just Niner's tactic to make a long headtube to sell more Low Top RDO drop bars.

    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    The head tube length is inline with their other models, XL Rip 9 RDO is 145mm. Niner has never had short head tubes compared to other manufacturers.

    Regardless, I'm bummed that the WFO RDO wasn't announced today
    Their XL FS frames look proportional and I like 'em, as for their XL hardtail frames, never liked their look, they look huge and unflattering to me. It's going to look like an XL SIR9 frame but with a shorter ETT.

    The ROS9 geo is quite similar to the Chromag Surface (68 HA, 74 SA, 115mm HT, 25" ETT for XL 21"), but with a much longer headtube. Just trying to visualize the XL ROS9 frameset.

    The only other All-Mountain 29er hardtail with such a massive headtube is the XXL 2Souls QH with a 150mm headtube, but that never made into production.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepo5669 View Post
    These bikes are total pigs set up SS. I had my Honzo set up SS for 1 ride and it was miserable. The climbing was awful with a 140mm Marz 44, but the main kicker was I couldnt get any serious speed on the descents!
    The Fox 34 140 is taller than the Marz 44 and I have no problem clearing any ascents, seated or standing. The Honzo just flies, but more so on the downhill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    Still waiting for someone to build this bike in carbon...
    Kingdom Bikes in the UK was working on it, calling it the Brigante CRB. They were aiming for lower 4lbs range for the largest sizes (so roughly the same weight as titanium), but around $1400 USD, which although undercuts their Brigante Titanium model, is still roughly the price of a Carver Ti 420.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    The head tube length is inline with their other models, XL Rip 9 RDO is 145mm. Niner has never had short head tubes compared to other manufacturers.
    That's not really apples-to-apples though. The Rip has a zero stack headset vs external cup on the Ros. The Rip also has a 1.1" higher bottom bracket than the Ros. That means for the same fork/stem/bar/seat setup, the Ros will have bars that are 1.5" higher than the Rip. It's also 1.4" higher than my Yelli which I run w/flats and a near straight stem.

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    I really like the look of this, I am hoping my local shop gets one in for me to try

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    Quote Originally Posted by car_nut View Post
    That's not really apples-to-apples though. The Rip has a zero stack headset vs external cup on the Ros. The Rip also has a 1.1" higher bottom bracket than the Ros. That means for the same fork/stem/bar/seat setup, the Ros will have bars that are 1.5" higher than the Rip. It's also 1.4" higher than my Yelli which I run w/flats and a near straight stem.
    Agreed. I was just making the point that every Niner bike has the same head tube length across all models.

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    If this is a steel frame, I would not buy it. Instead I would buy a Stache 8, but I wouldn't buy another hardtail if I could buy a Fuel EX8 29er for a couple hundred more.

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    Niner ROS9 All-Mountain hardtail

    ? It is a steel frame. I'm not sure I follow your train of thought from this frame to the Stache to the Fuel. They're all pretty different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    If this is a steel frame, I would not buy it. Instead I would buy a Stache 8, but I wouldn't buy another hardtail if I could buy a Fuel EX8 29er for a couple hundred more.
    This made zero sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CannondaleF9 View Post
    If this is a steel frame, I would not buy it. Instead I would buy a Stache 8, but I wouldn't buy another hardtail if I could buy a Fuel EX8 29er for a couple hundred more.
    Cool story bro.

    The Stache has super long chainstays at 17.52" CS, might as well write it off as an XC frame.
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    We put up our impressions here:

    Niner ROS 9 – Steel, Long Travel Hardtail Released | Mountain Bike Review

    Two of our crew are in Park City, Utah riding it today so they should report back shortly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepo5669 View Post
    These bikes are total pigs set up SS. I had my Honzo set up SS for 1 ride and it was miserable. The climbing was awful with a 140mm Marz 44, but the main kicker was I couldnt get any serious speed on the descents!
    Interesting that you feel that way. I have been pleasantly surprised at how well my single speed Honzo with a 140mm fork climbs. I thought it would be way harder than my single speed SIR9 (which is probably 5lbs lighter) but it is only slightly more difficult to climb. And I don't get the thing about downhill speed unless your riding area has a lot of mild downhill grades that benefit from kicking a big gear to get more speed. I have been having more downhill fun (and air time) on the Honzo that I did on my WFO9.

    It's really funny though - the ROS9 looks exactly like my SIR9 and Honzo had a baby. It's even got the same color as big daddy Honzo. But unfortunately, it also has a genetic defect that it inherited from it's momma - an EBB.

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    Well, I re-read my first post on this thread and yes, it didn't make any sense to me either. What I meant to say was that in my mind, I would only buy bikes with aluminum frames, and that I would be disappointed if this bike was a steel frame only. Then I said that if this bike was a steel frame only that I would buy a Trek Stache 8, but I already have a hardtail like it, so I'd buy a full suspension bike.
    I hope that made more sense

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    Niner, the exclusive 29er bike producer are a bit late with this one aren't they? Are they finally taking note of the short chainstay, slack head angle, grin - win combo.
    A fail for this reason alone.
    Have mtbr done a review on the Yelli yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wobbem View Post
    Niner, the exclusive 29er bike producer are a bit late with this one aren't they?
    Not necessarily. Sure frames of that flavor have been available for a few years, but it has been (and still is) a small market. It's been pretty much limited to custom, small batches from the Canfield Brothers, or Kona.

    Niner showed a one-off hardtail based on the RIP9 a couple years ago, so they've obviously been thinking in this direction for a while. IMO their strengths and design DNA have been solidly XC since the beginning, but it looks to me like they're developing in other directions now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    Kingdom Bikes in the UK was working on it, calling it the Brigante CRB. They were aiming for lower 4lbs range for the largest sizes (so roughly the same weight as titanium), but around $1400 USD, which although undercuts their Brigante Titanium model, is still roughly the price of a Carver Ti 420.
    nice to see a lightweight carbon 29er HT w slack HA and short CS--i had no idea these were in the pipeline when i told sean @ canfield that the bros should make a carbon yelli.


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