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    So I have been riding my On-One Inbred 29er (Purple People Eater) for 3yrs now officially and love my bike. However, as I get older and have more problems with my back I find myself wanting a more plush ride when I actually do those longer rides (last two weekends have been 15+ miles and I have ridden a total of 5 times so far this year). While not bad, and I know it will improve with my fitness level getting back up to where I was I have found that the "nicety" of having a full sus bike has trumped all. So I have been "researching" for a few months now as I have been out of the components and frames game for 2yrs.

    With the recent change of jobs where I am now closer to work than ever I no longer found a need for my dedicated commuter bike (09 Kona Jake). The Jake went for sale on CL and I told myself that if it sold I would then put the money towards a new bike build. It must have been meant to be as the bike sold for full asking no more than 4 days after posting it.

    After many pm's back and forth with Scott @ Switchback Bikes I could not pass up the stellar deal he had left on the Hammerhead Thumper frameset so the order was placed and the frame went out promptly. So promptly that I did not realize that Scott had send via 2-day mail and I was surprised to get it on my doorstep yesterday evening!!!

    So here is the official start of my HH Thumper build. Now this will be a slower build as I am doing this while also working on my 1985 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ60 which is my fun vehicle/dirt dog hauler/mtb hauler/whatever rig and does need to be "functional". Luckily I don't believe this thing would quit on me if she wanted to and I have never found a vehicle I loved more.

    ETA for the finish of the bike will be by my bday in September if at all possible.

    Now on to pics.....


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    See one of the things I now love about this frame/bike is that it is not a true "black" frame like advertised. It is more of a Black Cherry, which brings me to her name, Blackheart as in Joan Jett and the Blackhearts!


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    I didn't get to take many pics as I was rushing to get out of the house for softball but will take more pics tomorrow to get a better idea of the quality of the build. This thing is an ABSOLUTE STEAL for the price.
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    Here is the planned build over the next few months. Since I live in No. NV near Lake Tahoe this will be a 2x10 setup though my riding buddy is trying to convince me that I could pull off a 1x10 setup (and no 1x11 as it is currently to rich for my blood). Again this is a budget build with hopes to keep it at or below the $2k mark with deals from ebay and what not.

    Fork - Depends but will be Manitou (yes I'm a fanboy and they have earned my loyalty). Currently debating on keeping my Tower Pro 100m 9QR for the Inbred or selling it, or Manitou offers a trade-in program where I can get a new Marvel/Minute for fairly cheap.
    Wheels - Pure 29er Gold rims (still looking for confirmation on size bu believe they are 24x19x21.5 EWxIWxH) laced with BHS convertible mtb hubs, Sapim DoubleButted spokes (having my brothers buddy that is a wheel builder do them)
    Headset - debating right now, Zero Stack or something with an actual head. Was going to go with a RealWorldCycling headset but they do not offer a ZeroStack and I am a fan of enduro bearings. Preferably something that is not over $60ish.
    Crankset - Not sure but something that is either 39/26 or 38/24. See what I can find for cheap on ebay, of course will be threaded BB30 for the frame.
    Rear D - Sram X9 10spd
    Front D - Sram X7 10spd compatible
    Shifters- Sram X9 2x10spd
    Cassette - Sram 11-36, probably PG-1050 unless I can find a deal on the PG-1070
    Brakes - Debating but thinking Shimano SLX w/ IceTech or some of the new Hayes brakes. Depends on price and possible Shimano hook-up
    Seatpost - Standard for now but buddy is trying to convince me I need a dropper so looking at the KS e-Ten remote
    Handlebars - Something Gold! Looking at ODI or RaceFace bars. I currently run 690mm flats so it will be a bit of an adjustment for something wider that has rise.
    Tires - GEAX!! Again, another company that has earned my loyalty. Currently running 2.3" Gato (f) and 2.2" Sag (r) but thinking I may end up running the new GOMA front and rear in the 2.25".

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    Sweet! Good surprise seeing this pop up....

    Yeah we did a Black Cherry Clear Coat on over the Black paint....looks awesome when the sunlight hits it right....great job capturing that in the HT pic....

    Look forward to seeing it all come together

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    Thanks guys, yeah I am excited to get it built up and riding it. The color/clear coat will definitely shine in direct sunlight which will make it a very different bike. Definitely going to be a fun build, looks like the new Manitou Minutes will only be coming in black so glad I am going to be doing color elsewhere on the bike.

    Recommendations on an affordable headset? Was looking at the RWC tapered headset ($85 but worth it for the enduro bearings) and the bottom cap is not a zerostack/integrated and looks to add quite a bit of length to the headtube. Wondering if that would change the HTA much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Recommendations on an affordable headset? Was looking at the RWC tapered headset ($85 but worth it for the enduro bearings) and the bottom cap is not a zerostack/integrated and looks to add quite a bit of length to the headtube. Wondering if that would change the HTA much?
    Sorry, that headset isn't compatible...need a ZS 49 upper/56 lower headset for the frame


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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    Sorry, that headset isn't compatible...need a ZS 49 upper/56 lower headset for the frame
    Thanks that was the information I was looking for!

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    Just read the above briefly. I really think the 100mm fork will be way too low. The frame is built around 140f/130r and I think dropping the front that much will really mess with the geo.

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    Yeah not keeping the 100mm fork for this, Scott and I talked about that and the other fear is that it wil drop the BB height which could change a lot of things. I will be going for a 120mm fork fully knowing that it will tighten the HTA a bit to approximately 72* (vs the 140mm geo of 68*).

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    I run mine at 130 and it's amazing. I don't see why got wouldn't be fine with a 120


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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    Sorry, that headset isn't compatible...need a ZS 49 upper/56 lower headset for the frame


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    Could you confirm this please, the site indicates zs44 top.
    Thanks, Ty

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    Next build... HammerHead Thumper

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    So looks like this headset is the preferred headset then.
    Cane Creek 40 Series ZS Tapered Headset - Tapered ZS44|ZS56/40
    or this FSA headset

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    Next build... HammerHead Thumper

    Go with the Cane Creek 40....
    Nothing against the FSA....I just like the guys from NC




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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    I run mine at 130 and it's amazing. I don't see why got wouldn't be fine with a 120


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    I run mine at 130 as well and I love it!
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    Next build... HammerHead Thumper

    Just found these leftover parts from the Bike Shop in my garage.....hhhmmm



    X9 2x10 shifters
    XO 2x10 high-direct mount front der
    Avid Elixir1 brakes w/ 180mm rotors
    Wolftooth 1x 104BCD 30t chainring
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    Nice!

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    Measured weight today of frame, shock, and maxle and came in at 7.4lbs per my scale. Pretty much spot on with what Scott @ Switchback has stated in other threads.

    Finally heard from BWW about their wheels and the gold colored PURE 29 rim comes in a 20(H)x24.5(wo)x18.5(wi) totaling 550g with coating. Looks like they are pretty much the same dimensions as the ZTR ARCH EX so for what I am planning to do with the bike they should be just fine. I had been debating if I wanted to go with something wider like my old school Stans Flows but at 28 wide I almost think that is a bit wide and I only weigh 190# (when I had the Flows built I weighed in at 220).

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    Got the bike out today and got a chance to really look it over. The quality on this thing is phenomenal from my viewpoint, welds are like stack of dimes and integrity seems great. The design seems very well thought out and my bolts were all tight. Looking it over there is no weird spots in the paint and clear/pc, just a great looking bike.

    Some more pics, working on the logistics to start getting stuff for it but most of the bigger stuff will have to wait until after my wife's work trip to NYC in June.

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    damn...I wish the HH closeout deal was around when I bought my Yelli frame.

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    What camera are you using? I can't follow the links to your Flickr.

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    Next build... HammerHead Thumper

    Using a Canon EOS-M. Yeah inadvertently had the album set to friends only.

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    Copycat! Haha, kidding man.

    Pictures look great! Nice choice on Manitou suspension, its very underrated.

    Could you talk about the hub and rim choice? Ive never heard of either.

    For headsets, personally I went with Loaded Precision. Never tried any of their product, so I figured it would be a good time to. They are pricey, but people say they are on the same level as Cane Creek 110.

    EDIT: I see you did give some more info on the rims. Whats your riding style? I'm 185 geared up, and going with a beefier rim. Take drops up to 4ft HTF, and some very nasty rock gardens. I think I've narrowed down to WTB i25s or Carbon rims .

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    Next build... HammerHead Thumper

    Great job on the pics!


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    Next build... HammerHead Thumper

    Quote Originally Posted by slowride454 View Post
    damn...I wish the HH closeout deal was around when I bought my Yelli frame.
    Me too


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    Re: Next build... HammerHead Thumper

    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Using a Canon EOS-M. Yeah inadvertently had the album set to friends only.
    Man I need to stop buying glass for my nikon so I can justify switching to canon. Haha ok sorry I will end my thread jack now. Can't wait to see more pics as the bike comes together.

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    LOL.. Nikon is still great but I like Canon stuff better. My family has used Canon since my dad bought his first camera in college so it is kinda engrained in me. The little EOS-M is a stellar camera and the quality of the 22mm F/2 lens that you can get for it is amazing.

    For me, talking about cameras/photography, women, old cars, and mtbing are never considered thread jacks!
    This is one of my favorite pics when I first got that lens... focal point was outside corner of his eye.
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    HA! Awesome....+1 on the never a thread jack topics

    Killer pic!


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    Ok just to confirm (since no one has answered my thread in the drivetrain section) mixing Shimano and SRAM drivetrain items is not an issue anymore is it? Looking at doing XT crank and cassette with the rest being SRAM.

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    Next build... HammerHead Thumper

    10spd?


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    Yes.

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    Cool....yeah should all work w/ no issues
    Just don't try to combine SRAM/Shimano Shifters/Derailleurs


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    Re: Next build... HammerHead Thumper

    This is still one of my favorite shots, and it's thread relevant!

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    Yeah would more than likely be all SRAM except for the Front D which is how I have my bike setup right now only 9spd. Never used Ribble before but they have some stellar deals, like $101 for XT crank (26/39) with free shipping to the US.

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    Oh wow...that's a killer deal...
    I can't even get XT cranks for that price

    Maybe I should use them as an OE Source....HA


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    Yeah just did the order....
    SLX crankset with 26/38 $101
    SLX brakeset (no rotors) $123
    XT Cassette 11-36T $47
    All with free shipping to the US. Probably take a bit to get here but I am in no hurry.


    EDIT: Wrong crankset... the XT is $150 the SLX is $101, still not bad though.
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    Re: Next build... HammerHead Thumper

    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Ok just to confirm (since no one has answered my thread in the drivetrain section) mixing Shimano and SRAM drivetrain items is not an issue anymore is it? Looking at doing XT crank and cassette with the rest being SRAM.
    I do it all day long. Freewheels and derailleurs too.

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    yeah I figured that the should have been any sudden issues that came up from 9spd to 10spd (I know there are some issues with 9spd items and 10spd items mixed together) so if nothing else I can always sell the parts on ebay and make my money back but I am stoked to get them all new. This will be my first build where the majority of the parts are new.

    @TwoNin9r - Yeah that is a great shot! Still completely blown away by this little camera and the 22m lens, it has stellar optics for a $100 lens, hell even for a $400 lens. I know that it does better than some of my more expensive glass. And Samyang/Rokinon just released a EF-M set of lenses for this camera, one being a 12mm! If it is even close to what they normally put out it will be killer and their new lenses are being designed specifically for mirrorless APS-C camera to boot.

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    Got confirmation from Ribble that stuff is on its way and should be here next week (says 3-7 business days to the US). I am going to have to keep an eye on their site for some good deals.

    Next thing in my basket is I found a SRAM X0 Long cage rear derailleur for $140 on Amazon. Since this is a cheap ass price from what I can tell I am tempted to just grab it but want to let the smoking account settle down a bit. But again, I cant find even used ones for half that price and a new X9 (even used) will run me $80-$100ish. The main reason I am looking at the X0 is that my jockey wheels get dirty and nasty and the X0 allows for the jockeys to be easily changed out, but the X9 you have to buy only proprietary SRAM one's, no aftermarket available.

    And I found some pics to give you and idea of what i am looking at for wheels, just have to decided if I want a white colored fork or black colored fork (I know, first world problems).

    These are Mavic Crossmax Enduro wheels.....
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    Was originally leaning towards the white fork, but thinking that it may look a little more sick with the all black everything and then a few accents (like gold handlebars, seatpost ring)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    EDIT: I see you did give some more info on the rims. Whats your riding style? I'm 185 geared up, and going with a beefier rim. Take drops up to 4ft HTF, and some very nasty rock gardens. I think I've narrowed down to WTB i25s or Carbon rims .
    @FastBanana.... Living where I do I have everything from flowy singletrack to hard, rocky AM trails (look up Mr. Toads Wild Ride in Tahoe and the Flume Trail). Most of what I ride on a regular basis is what I would consider "trail" riding, some flowy singletrack that has rock gardens, climbs, small 1-2' drops and what not all thrown in. One of the rides that I will be definitely doing on this is about a 25mile ride that is relatively flat (over the ride) but is trail riding in the trees, that then turns into some boulder technical descents though some boulder/rock gates then back to flowy climbs and descents. Really I am quite lucky where I live with tons of trail variety all within a couple hour drive.

    Oh and I run about 195ish loaded up in my normal kit and going to add a pack this year (Osprey Raptor 10) so probably will add another 5ish #s. So probably call me 200 all kitted up. Riding is a little bit of everything again, not super aggressive but I will not shy going through a rock garden, just might take it slower than anything.

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    I was curious because it looks like.a dated rim profile. Why not go with a modern rim and get it PCed if you want a blue one? Stans does custom colors for a upcharge as well.

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    Yeah I want gold rims and was planning on going with Kinlin's but they no longer PC them for you. I was thinking about doing that and going with a better rim like the WTB i23 rim and then having a company locally PC it for me. The rims are going to be one of the last things that I get so not in a huge hurry and the BWWs were the right price for already being PCd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Yeah I want gold rims and was planning on going with Kinlin's but they no longer PC them for you. I was thinking about doing that and going with a better rim like the WTB i23 rim and then having a company locally PC it for me. The rims are going to be one of the last things that I get so not in a huge hurry and the BWWs were the right price for already being PCd.
    They are anodized. PCing a rim will add 50 grams. But those rims are awful. I would.go.local or get the custom stans rims.

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    Thanks for the info FastBanana, BWW always has good reviews on their builds but guess that doesn't say anything about the rims. I am looking at either WTB i23 or Halo Disc (both recommended by my wheelbuilder for my weight and riding).

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    Re: Next build... HammerHead Thumper

    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Thanks for the info FastBanana, BWW always has good reviews on their builds but guess that doesn't say anything about the rims. I am looking at either WTB i23 or Halo Disc (both recommended by my wheelbuilder for my weight and riding).
    I forgot about Halo. If I dont get carbon rims, I would love to have some in gold ano

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    Yeah they are on sale at Cambria bike right now so may just do it to get the sale price.


    EDIT: Eh... said eff it and bought the Halo Disc, can't go wrong for $39.99 each (same cost as the BWW rims). Will call the local PC and see how much it would be to get them PC'd gold. Weight on the website says 480g/ea so even with the 50g extra per wheel of PC it would still come out to only 530g which is what I believe my Stans Flow weight right now. Not going weight weenie though so not a huge deal. But definitely don't want this thing to be an Iron Pig.

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    Re: Next build... HammerHead Thumper

    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Yeah they are on sale at Cambria bike right now so may just do it to get the sale price.


    EDIT: Eh... said eff it and bought the Halo Disc, can't go wrong for $39.99 each (same cost as the BWW rims). Will call the local PC and see how much it would be to get them PC'd gold. Weight on the website says 480g/ea so even with the 50g extra per wheel of PC it would still come out to only 530g which is what I believe my Stans Flow weight right now. Not going weight weenie though so not a huge deal. But definitely don't want this thing to be an Iron Pig.
    Those rims dont looks tubeless friendly

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    Will try ghetto tubeless and if not then Stans kit will fix that. Not a big issue to me.

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    here's mine

    Thought I'd share a picture of mine to keep you motivated. Bought my frame late last year from the good folks at Velorangutan (formerly Pink Gorilla Bikes). It's a medium in the gray color. Build highlights are Rock Shox Revelation 140, Sun Charger Pro wheelset, KS Supernatural post, Shimano Zee rear derailleur and shifter, Sram X7 front D and shifter, Answer Pro Taper 800mm carbon bars, Shimano Zee brakes (not in picture), SLX cranks, Answer Rove pedals, Race Face 50mm stem. Awesome bike if I do say so myself. Incredible climbing traction and descends like a beast. Tons of fun in Virginia's George Washington National Forest near Harrisonburg.
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    Very nice @snug dug.... that is the build that I am going after, no real concern of weight just a fun all around bike. I think with the stuff I have been picking so far I will end up having a stellar bike for right around $2k.

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