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    Re: Next build... HammerHead Thumper

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    Yeah but I cab think of potential fixes for all of the above, geometry permitting

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    One answer, that's a bad one, it to lengthen the shock effectively, in order to increase the travel at the extended side, which would raise the BB and increase the head tube angle when the shock is extended. Neither of those things are productive to having a well behaved trail bike.

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    Yah that's not for me lol

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    Unless you raised the point where the shock and seat stays attach to the rocker, combined with a longer travel shock, with the same eye to eye.

    So, endstate, a shorter rocker with a longer travel shock would be a solution I think.

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    Yeah true. Man it would be nice to see it done

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    True but the cost benefit of it is what really is the kicker.. And the main thing is that you would have to modify the geometry for the suspension to act appropriately with everything else. You could basically have it suddenly turn into a noodle for all you know.

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    Curious to see what you think of the Revelation. Mine is OK, but I can't seem to find the sweet spot. No big hits for me, but the Rev feels a little nervous on multiple medium sized bumps at high speed - think deep brake bumps on concrete like hard pack or chunky, sharp rock gardens. If you've rode Laguna Beach, you know what I mean. Have been gradually speeding up rebound, but it gets faster than the fox shock's fastest with several clicks to spare. The dual air doesn't help my curiosity to keep playing with the + and - pressures.

    Is your frame large or x-large?

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    Mine is a solo air "xx" version so that I can't comment on but otherwise with the types of trails I ride it's usually smooth and then big his or smooth and then a roots. That said I can't get it 100% dialed in but I'm working on it.

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    Re: Next build... HammerHead Thumper

    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    Mine is a solo air "xx" version so that I can't comment on but otherwise with the types of trails I ride it's usually smooth and then big his or smooth and then a roots. That said I can't get it 100% dialed in but I'm working on it.

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    I have a dual air XX Reba, has good small compliance, but zero low speed compression, and it blows through travel so fast.

    I did ride an RC3 Revalation, which was super nice.

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    Re: Next build... HammerHead Thumper

    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    I have a dual air XX Reba, has good small compliance, but zero low speed compression, and it blows through travel so fast.

    I did ride an RC3 Revalation, which was super nice.

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    Yeah the whole going through travel so fast is why I was talking about increasing travel.

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    Re: Next build... HammerHead Thumper

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    Yeah the whole going through travel so fast is why I was talking about increasing travel.

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    Thats not going to help, the issue is a lack.of high speed and low speed compression. Makes the fork behave poorly.

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    Re: Next build... HammerHead Thumper

    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Thats not going to help, the issue is a lack.of high speed and low speed compression. Makes the fork behave poorly.

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    Yeah I think the next build will get a pike. My fiancé has a hardtail 27.5 giant that I built the crap out of just before I bought her the lust carbon as a wedding gift... I'm thinking of looking for a frame to throw those components on and just eventually upgrade stuff. It's got a RS 30 gold (at 220# that thing will be a wet noodle under me!) elixir 7s and full slx drivetrain w raceface NW. What do you think? I've been trying to sell it with no luck lol

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    Just realized I'm totally jacking your thread, please feel free to disregard.

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    Nah it is all good banter and I don't mind it. Remember I am an analyst so this stuff automatically goes in the vault for storage and then comparison at a later date/time.

    With regards to the high/low speed compression for the Revelation, mine is an RLT Dual air and I have never ridden something like this before. While the bike is not done quite yet (thinking by end of July at latest though) it will be shortly and then I can respond.

    I was watching some video by Fabien Barel yesterday on cornering techniques and what not (he actually does good videos, explains what he is doing clearly and then demonstrates with good indication of what he was talking about) and one of the things he said caught my attention. In his Enduro 101 video he is working with the rider and says that most people have their bikes setup improperly (guy was concerned about going around corners weighted properly as Fabien was teaching and then hitting a bump/root/etc and going endo). He went on to briefly explain that most people with trail bikes have their front too soft and back to hard, you want good compliance in your fork and what the rear to eat up the trail chatter. This is why you will see most enduro guys explode out of corners right into a manual. The front is set hard enough that it pops them up right away plus they shift weight front to back coming out of the corner.

    @carpio77b - Unfortunately, with any fork you are going to have to do some fine tuning. From what FastBanana has said, the RS are very sensitive on the Motion Control side to oil levels. I am thinking that this is true all around and by playing with a combination of the oil levels and the air (both + and -) you will be able to find that tuned spot for what you are doing. I know that my Manitou Tower Pro needed the FIRM spring for my weight (at the time 200+ unkitted) and I had to play with the rebound and air settings for a good month before I found the sweet spot, however now I have not touched those settings (other then putting a little air after it sitting up for a year) pretty much since I got the bike built back in 2011. With that said, Manitou has worked with another member here on the forums, Trailmaker, to help build some fine tuning around the fork; you can change the shim stack to add additional valving blow off for a more progressive or linear feel, go with a heavier/lighter spring to adjust the top-mid range, or you can even add an additional 5ml of oil to the bath to top to do a more linear feel.

    What I am trying to say, is that tuning is not an easy task, sometimes it takes a lot of playing and trial and error. However, you will learn more about what you have and eventually you will get it somewhere you want. You also need to remember that when a mfg is building a new fork or redesigning the internals their sample set riders are all team riders and many to not necessarily weigh more than 180lbs let alone close to 200lbs (actually most are in the 140-160lbs range). This causing a difference in feel and changes how the fork reacts as the rider weight increases.

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    Oh and for FastBanana and TwoNin9r.... I will just leave this here
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    I actually had the suspension set up as Barel suggests. Around 15% sag in the front and 25% in the rear. Rear feels decent, but blows through the travel a bit easily, but the front felt harsh(good on small bumps) while not easily blowing through the travel and being nicely progressive. I suppose it's a balance of getting the "soft" shock absorbing quality while maintaining enough low speed comp/air pressure to staying up in the plush part of the stroke to absorb multiple hits. Since I don't do big drops, I'm okay with fast rebound so I'll give that a try before getting inside the damper. Also, maybe a case of too many bells and whistles. I internally tuned my Marz TST2 with rebound only and like it quite a bit.

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    So from what I have been reading all over the web is that you need to take the RS guidelines sticker off the fork and throw it away. Most people feel that for a more plush ride with a linear feel you need to add about 10psi more to the NEGATIVE air than the positive air. Guys in my weight range are running anywhere from 110psi to 130psi in the negative and 90psi to 115psi in the positive chamber. So I will see what that is like when I get my bike setup and go from there....

    Just recently got:
    SRAM X0 rear derailleur (long cage) type 2
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    All stuff should be here by the middle of next week which really leaves me with just the chain, seatpost, saddle, wheels, and shifters. I will buy a couple things this weekend as well with the main expensive items (wheels and seatpost) to be left until another paycheck.

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    I go about 190# riding and started running 90+ 100- to get sag to 20% and the fork felt a little sloppy. I read on the forums to ignore sag with this fork so I Then went to 120+130- and experienced the harsh feel on multi hits. Now trying 125+125-, which is close to the sticker rec.s Another thing about the Rev is that low speed comp. doesn't ramp up much in the descend setting, but ramps up really quick in the trail setting. It is stiff compared to Fox 32, especially with the 20mm axle.

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    Yeah the main consensus was that you want to be 5-10psi lower on the + side then the -, however that will go with rider feel as well.

    What do you have your rebound set at? Also, have you tried playing with the fork pressures both ways (e.g. + higher then -, and then - higher than +)? May just take some more tuning... seems like most guys aren't running quite as high as you are right now, mainly keeping it around the 110 to 115 range for both + and -.

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    So here is a dumb question..... Why are stems so damn expensive? I am just looking for a decent looking black stem, 70mm. And yet everything is pretty much $40+.

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    Lol this industry is invigorating, and infuriating

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    Damn that was quick... I ordered some new components on Tuesday night and everything got here today (even a piece from Taiwan?!).

    Anyways, go two more things coming from BikerBob next week but here is the other stuff in the meantime...

    The whole gaggle...
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    160mm Ashima AiRotors.. pretty dang light
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    SRAM X0 Type 2 long cage rear derailleur (with some new parts that will come soon..)
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    FSA ZS 1.5 headset and random brand gold seatpost clamp!
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    Bike is getting there quickly and depending on when my hubs get here for my wheelbuilder (said they were shipping from Taiwan factory on Thursday) the bike will probably be done mid/end of July!!!

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    I need to change the main pivot bearings of my frame.
    Does anyone here know the dimensions of that bearings or the number of them?
    It would be nice to order the parts before to disassemble the pivot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu View Post
    I need to change the main pivot bearings of my frame.
    Does anyone here know the dimensions of that bearings or the number of them?
    It would be nice to order the parts before to disassemble the pivot.

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    Yeah kinda hard to read even when it is expanded.

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    Next build... HammerHead Thumper

    Gotcha....so e-mail me for the PDF it is


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    When someone figures out what the correct bearing sizes are could they post them up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    When someone figures out what the correct bearing sizes are could they post them up?

    I have the correct bearing sizes and am working on an updated chart that is easier to read...will post when finalized...in the meantime you can e-mail me direct for the info if needed

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    Thanks for the quick post of the parts list.
    I appreciate that...

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    Next build... HammerHead Thumper

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    Do y'all feel it would be neutering this frame to mount up a Fox 32 120mm fork? I've got a Fox 32 120mm CTD FIT Adj Kashima that I don't want to part with. Should put my HTA right around 70*.

    What I like about this frame is: 31.6 post, BSA bottom bracket, 12x142 rear.

    I don't 'need' 130 of squish in the rear (would be just fine with 4.5-5" of travel)

    The closeout price keeps me coming back. I'd be doing a frame swap from a Giant AnthemX 29 (want a little more beef, but don't need an AM bike) with a lightweight XC/trail build (carbon parts wherever possible).
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Whoops. Double post.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Re: Next build... HammerHead Thumper

    Quote Originally Posted by hokiebrett View Post
    Do y'all feel it would be neutering this frame to mount up a Fox 32 120mm fork? I've got a Fox 32 120mm CTD FIT Adj Kashima that I don't want to part with. Should put my HTA right around 70*.

    What I like about this frame is: 31.6 post, BSA bottom bracket, 12x142 rear.

    I don't 'need' 130 of squish in the rear (would be just fine with 4.5-5" of travel)

    The closeout price keeps me coming back. I'd be doing a frame swap from a Giant AnthemX 29 (want a little more beef, but don't need an AM bike) with a lightweight XC/trail build (carbon parts wherever possible).
    I don't mean to aide in the jacking if this thread but, I will say that light weight isn't really the Forte of this frame. It's really made to be pretty beefy. I'm just under 30 lbs with carbon bars and a relatively middle weight wheel set and tires. If you took my dropper and replaced it for a carbon seatpost you'd still probably only be in the 28-29 range. I'd say realistically a "light weight" build on this bike would yield about 26 lbs.

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    Yeah but the thing is at what cost? I mean if you went with carbon everything (wheels, bars, stem, post) and light weight components everywhere else then you would not be yielding the purpose of the bike.

    I fully expect my bike to be 30lbs+ and will probably build some carbon fiber wheels in a year or two to "upgrade" the feel (along with if Manitou ever makes a 34mm stanchioned trail 29er fork). So I fully expect this thing to be a lunk, but at the same time I plan to beat the crap out of it by plowing through rock gardens and what not.

    If I want a lightweight race bike then I will use my hardtail and avoid large, gnarly rock gardens.



    On a more recent note....
    So final things to get for the build are:
    - Dropper post (getting KS eTen from Bikerbob)
    - Chain (thinking KMC X10)
    - Pedals (probably go with M530 trail pedals again, buddy says he has spares for me)
    - Stem (WTF?! These things are damn expensive if you want something that doesn't just look like a hunk of metal)
    - Saddle (will use my spare for now and get a Charge/Fabric Spoon or Scoop in the future)
    - wheels (wheelbuilder just got the hubs and waiting on spokes but said it will take him a day max, to build them once he gets what he needs... he is a stay at home dad and does this for fun on the side)

    Hoping the bike will be done by the end of July

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    Yeah it kind of frustrates the purpose of the bike.

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    Appreciate the responses... Sorry to hijack, that was not my intention.
    :-/
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Us switchbacks and hammerheads are pretty laid back lol

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    Just because something is carbon does not mean its weak.

    I'd bet that Derby rims, setup tubeless, paired with RF Next SL cranks and a 1x10 setup, dropper, quality carbon bars, a lightweight shock and a Pike 29 lowered to 130 or 140 would yield a 27 or 28 pound Thumper (if not XL) and would handle anything you would throw at it.

    Maybe 26lbs if you went with a carbon seatpost and XC tires.
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    I think it's more of a budget factor too

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    Re: Next build... HammerHead Thumper

    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    Just because something is carbon does not mean its weak.

    I'd bet that Derby rims, setup tubeless, paired with RF Next SL cranks and a 1x10 setup, dropper, quality carbon bars, a lightweight shock and a Pike 29 lowered to 130 or 140 would yield a 27 or 28 pound Thumper (if not XL) and would handle anything you would throw at it.

    Maybe 26lbs if you went with a carbon seatpost and XC tires.
    also, this is effectively my build minus carbon rims so Im not sure, because I don't think carbon rims would be 3 lbs lighter than my flows on hopes with dt revolution

    * Frame Size & Color: xl hammerhead thumper (aka switchback unveil 9)
    * Fork: revelation xx
    * Brakes: Shimano XT
    * Cranks: SRAM carbon
    * Front Derailleur: n/a
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XT
    * Pedals: VP vice
    * Stem: crank brothers iodine
    * Handlebar: crank brothers iodine 11 (carbon)
    * Seatpost: KS lev DX
    * Saddle: charge spoon
    * Bottom Bracket: gpx
    * Cassette: Shimano XT
    * Headset: cane creek
    * Grips: ergon ge1
    * Front Tire: Maxxis ardent exo 2.25
    * Front Rim: flow ex
    * Front Hub/Skewer: hope pro2 evo 15mm
    * Rear Tire: Maxxis ikon exo 2.20
    * Rear Rim: flow ex
    * Rear Hub/Skewer: hope pro2 evo 12x142
    * Spokes: DT revolution
    * Weight: 29.7 lbs

    Maybe carbon rims and replacing the lev with a carbon post

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    Build turned out real nice TwoNin9r.... I am going similar but will come in at like 31lbs if I am estimating correctly.

    Frame: Thumper L (black cherry, can in at exactly 7lbs)
    Fork: RS Revelation RLT Dual Air (measured and came in at 4lbs exactly) 20mm thru-axle
    Brakes: Shimano SLX
    Crank: Shimano SLX 2x10 (38/26)
    Front D: Shimano SLX 2x10 High Mount
    Rear D: SRAM X0 Type 2 Long Cage
    Stem: haven't gotten yet
    Handlebars: Answer ProTAPER 780mm
    Seatpost: will be KS eTen
    Saddle: parts box saddle but eventually a Charge Spoon (now Fabric)
    BB: Shimano SLX
    Cassette: Shimano XT
    Headset: FSA Orbit ZS1.5E
    Grips: Ergon GA1
    Front Tire: Geax Gato 2.3"
    Front Rim: Halo 29r Rim
    Front Hub: Taiwan Hub 32H 20mm thru-axle
    Rear Tire: Geax Goma 2.25"
    Rear Rim: Halo 29r Rim
    Rear Hub: Taiwan Hub 32H 142x12 thru-axle
    Spokes: DT Comp
    Weight: TBD

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    Thanks man. I've been intrigued by those geax tires.

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    Which ones the Gato or the Goma? I also have the Saguaro that I run in the rear. Seriously had great luck with them in my area, no issues with snake bites or tearing the sidewalls and they have lasted up to a lot of road riding as well.

    Saguaro - Definitely a hardpack or loose over hard tire. Actually it will do pretty well in most all conditions but once you start getting into wet stuff it has met its match. Plays well at all PSI ranges but with the GEAX rounded profile of their tires you are better off going with lower pressures. GREAT XC tire! I had this coupled with the Gato (f) for almost two years and the setup never let me down. This tire is definitely one that will sit there and claw up just about anything. It will spin but not a whole lot, and really that can be compensated for by adjusting your weight balance and moving forward. I never got a chance to try as a front tire but my area really needs something with decent knobs to bite in as a front.

    Gato - Great loose or rocky condition tire. Now they make two different versions of the tire, a XC version and an AM/DH version I am not sure which I have but it feels pretty light. I have thrown a lot at this tire and it has not failed me the only thing I am a bit sketchy on is that there is slight void when you begin to lean the wheel over in a turn. Once you feel it you will learn where this void is in the transition between the center knobs and the outer knobs and can learn to throw the bike over to get out of it. However, when it does let loose on you, you will know it. Other than that it LOVES low pressure, tubeless I run 15-18psi in my area and never deal with a burp or anything, tubed I run 18-22psi. But seriously this thing comes alive in the lower pressure range, I did not believe it when I was reading about it and then tried it on some hero dirt and I felt like I was on Velcro going around corners.

    Goma - I haven't ridden this tire all that much. It is currently setup with my Gato (f) and has been great for the few trail rides I have done. Definitely allows you to claw up a hill without any issues and I could not really get it to break loose unexpectedly. The PSI range is something I am still playing with because I have not really dialed it in but I have a feeling it is going to be like the Gato and come alive in lower pressures. This did come in at a hefty 820g when I weighed it so not the lightest tire but then again my bike is 28lbs by itself and the new bike will be 30+ so not that big of an issue for me. Results so far have been great on it though and I really do like the tread pattern.

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    Nice review! I think once these Maxxis wear out I might try a geax tire

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    Yeah if you don't mind the weight the 2.4" version of the Goma looks like it would be a great front tire. My Gato has lasted 2yrs already and still has quite a bit of tread life on it so I have a feeling that once this one goes I may try the bigger, heavier version and see what that is like

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    I do think I'm at my heavy limit for tires, lots of steep steep climbing

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    Yeah I don't think I have ridden a tire where I feel the difference in weight. Now rolling resistance is a different story and amazingly the Saguaro has the most out of all of them but not by much. All three tires feel like the roll faster than my 2.20 Purgatory Control.

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    Nice review! I think once these Maxxis wear out I might try a geax tire

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    That's totally unacceptable to wait until a tire wears out....everyone is required to be a total #TotalTireWhore

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    LOL.... That's like that statement someone said in their thread about not needing to own more than two bikes.....
    My response.... Don't cloud the issue with facts. Need has nothing to do with it.

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    LOL.... That's like that statement someone said in their thread about not needing to own more than two bikes.....
    My response.... Don't cloud the issue with facts. Need has nothing to do with it.
    LOL! Exactly! A man can't oppress himself by riding tires until they wear out....I mean seriously


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    Lol I love you guys. Though I've never let a tire wear out before, pos rep plz? Lol jk and when I say wear out, keep I'm mind those Maxxis have like 8 rides on them. I am a saddle and grips whore though and will be until I find the perfect combination of Palm and tush plushness.

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    Gato just won't die on the front of my Inbred. Also running sub 20 psi with grippy results. Threw a Michelin Wild Racer 2.25 on the rear and think it rolls better than the Saguaro. It's a huge volume tire, which feels great on the HT, but it rubs under heavy cornering. Is a chain tug the answer for the slot dropout Inbred?

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    Not really sure about the chain tug. I have a 2011 version (vertical drop) which is great except for one problem.... if you do not tighten down the skewer enough, I mean I have to grunt to lock mine down, then when putting serious power down on the crank I slide forward and then throw my wheel out of alignment. While just a gripe it does get annoying at times (normally if I have taken the bike to my LBS is when it happens or at the beginning of the season when I am swapping tires from winter to spring/summer/fall setup).

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    Alright last few parts will be coming in next week....
    Just put in an order with BikerBob for chain, stem, and dropper and should be here sometime next week. Then hoping that next weekend I will be able to put everything together with my buddy.

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    Does anyone know the upper (frame side) shock bushing size? 22x8? 22x6?
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    @gregnash....looks like it's only available in 27.5 and 26....but maybe a good sign for the other Manitou forks?
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    Yeah I know that it is only in 650b and 26er... I am just putting the juju out there in hopes they are working on a revamped TPC+/Dorado Air system for the extended size of the 29er fork and that is why they havent spoken about it.

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    Next build... HammerHead Thumper-2014-manitou-macleod-trail-suspension-fork-teaser.jpg

    This picture was released in early 2014, and so far we've got the McLeod and Mattoc. Do we have a Spade and Axe in the future as well?
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    Yeah I know I noticed that as well... But I am wondering if the new Radar based braking system is one of those items.

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    I would love to see Manitou/Hayes hit the market with a killer brake setup. A 29" Mattoc would be nice too.0

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    The new Radar system seems to be pretty good. It will be replacing most of the Prime brake series with these new ones. But only time will tell how it shows up. I am waiting on more information from the McLeod to use it to replace my CTD. The Mattoc got rave reviews from Pinkbike saying that it is a close competitor to the Pike and Float 36. Looks like Manitou is trying to regain the name of old.

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    The Radar looks like a winner. Mineral Oil FTMFW.

    I dont like the shape of the levers, overall very generic. A minor complaint.

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    Well final parts are in the mail and wheelbuilder has everything. Should have everything by the weekend and then the building can (hopefully) commence quickly.

    KS eTen ended up being backordered from BikerBob so I am grabbing a standard post for now and will grab the dropper at a later date. Rest of the stuff is almost ready to go, got to run the headset and frame up to my LBS to have them press it in (don't know if I want to DIY it with a ghetto press) but that should be quick and will probably drop off tomorrow!!!

    Went down the new section of Corral Trail in Lake Tahoe with my buddy yesterday and was a blast on the Inbred but definitely had a few rock drop sections that I can see where the extra travel will be great. Buddy was actually surprised that I did a couple sections without dropping my seatpost but then starts bantering at me how much I will love a dropper and "Oh look my seatpost just went down for that rocky section, ooh look now it is back up to normal!!! This thing is awesome!" (LOL douche!!!)

    Anyways, looks like the bike will be done in the next week or so!!! Now to just find a good ride!

    Here is the ride (the climb SUCKED!!)
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    Droppers are awesome.

    Lake Tahoe looks awesome.

    I'll trade you my dropper if you can find me a job out there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    went down the new section of corral trail in lake tahoe with my buddy yesterday and was a blast on the inbred but definitely had a few rock drop sections that i can see where the extra travel will be great. Buddy was actually surprised that i did a couple sections without dropping my seatpost but then starts bantering at me how much i will love a dropper and "oh look my seatpost just went down for that rocky section, ooh look now it is back up to normal!!! This thing is awesome!" (lol douche!!!)
    hhhaaa!

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    The dropper will change your life!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    Droppers are awesome.

    Lake Tahoe looks awesome.

    I'll trade you my dropper if you can find me a job out there!
    PM me your resume and I will see what I can do. Being part of DPS I touch a lot of different agencies so the more people you can get it out to the better... LOL


    I know that a dropper will significantly change things just want to "try" it before I dump a bunch of money into one. There is a serious price jump from something like the DMR/eTen to the next level decent dropper (normally about a $150 increase) but after that the increase in price over the performance is very incremental and gains are marginal..

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    Easiest way to try out. Find gnarly downhill, slam your saddle, shred, and if you love it, get a dropper post!

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    LOL.. I am talking more about going for a more pricey one vs. a cheap one (can find the DMR occasionally for $80 on eBay).


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    Currently have a 2012 Revelation RLT. Has adjustable internals and is Dual Air (not Dual POSITION Air). I have been looking at it realized that it has no Low Speed Compression (LSC) adjustment, just rebound, HSC and then air. I have found the Motion Control DNA RCT3 internals that will work for it for about $100 on ebay and wonder if the upgrade would be noticeable over the standard compression of the RLT?

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    Oh I went all out on the ks lev dx and I must say, I'm 210#-220# depending on exercise regimen and I abuse that thing with not even a hiccup.

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    Yeah I will try with the standard seatpost for the time being and probably save my money for a nice KS post instead of the eTen. For me it is all about economy of scale, the part has to be worth the money for me to spend on it.

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    If I were closer I'd be glad to let you try mine, if it's any consolation

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    Thanks appreciate it...
    Strangely enough, got the email confirmation from Jenson that parts will be here tomorrow. Then I get an email from BikerBob saying he was able to get one of the eTens in stock and sent me over an invoice... LOL. Oh well.... guess I will have the standard post for those rides I know I wont need the dropper or if I need to service the dropper for some reason.

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    Lol!

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    I did not do either.

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    Yup looks like I am getting a dropper post anyways.

    Here is a question to the Thumper Owner's Guild.... have you guys had to face your headtube or bottom bracket?

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    I think banana did his bb

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    I think banana did his bb
    I am pretty sure he had to do that because he got it powdercoated. I have the anodized frame, and I didn't need to get it done.

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    Ok cool thanks for the info guys... Going to grab stuff for a DIY headset press tonight and give it a shot. If it doesn't work out then I will have my LBS do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Ok cool thanks for the info guys... Going to grab stuff for a DIY headset press tonight and give it a shot. If it doesn't work out then I will have my LBS do.

    I pressed my headset in with a ghetto press, and it worked great. I spent about $10 in hardware about 6 years ago, and I have done 20+ headsets with it. The Thumper went in really easily.

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    Perfect, yeah I was just looking at doing the all thread with blocks of wood press, other item is the crown race, did you guys just use PVC pipe?

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    Well bummer... been trying for the last 30 minutes to get the bottom cup to seat properly and it just keeps wanting to go in seriously sideways. Top went in without a problem but the bottom just doesn't want to do it with my DIY headset press. So looks like tomorrow I am off to my LBS to have them press the bottom cup in properly and do the crown race. Oh well was worth a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Well bummer... been trying for the last 30 minutes to get the bottom cup to seat properly and it just keeps wanting to go in seriously sideways. Top went in without a problem but the bottom just doesn't want to do it with my DIY headset press. So looks like tomorrow I am off to my LBS to have them press the bottom cup in properly and do the crown race. Oh well was worth a shot.

    Good effort, nice work, nice work....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976 View Post
    I pressed my headset in with a ghetto press, and it worked great. I spent about $10 in hardware about 6 years ago, and I have done 20+ headsets with it. The Thumper went in really easily.
    Capt, mind posting up some pics of your headset press.... I just did a large 3/4 bolt with some washers and a piece of 1" board (fence board) at each end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Capt, mind posting up some pics of your headset press.... I just did a large 3/4 bolt with some washers and a piece of 1" board (fence board) at each end.
    I don't have any pictures. It's pretty basic. Just a threaded rod with nuts and washers. If you want to get really crazy you can buy replacement stepped bushings from Amazon.
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    Yeah I was looking at the Sette tool (which is only $65 but specifically made for straight 1 1/8 steerer) and then adding something like that but I am headed to my LBS in a few to drop it off and they said they would have done by tonight.

    I figure that this will not be the last bike I build or the last time that I do something to this bike (change out headset, fork, etc.) so I might as well gather "some" tools. Most of the DIY ones that I have seen have been all thread with nuts and washers. I tried a course threaded hex head bolt with a few washers. Didn't realize when I grabbed them that the washers were too small for the bottom portion and then added some wood blocking. But I did read that using course thread bolts seems to cause some mounting issues and not having something IN the headtube/cups to keep the bolt aligned properly can cause issues.

    Anyways, this will be taken care of by the LBS and I will work on a second revision of the tool.

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    Wooo!

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    So grabbed the bike and talked with my mechanic a bit last night, he said he literally had everything done 5 minutes after I had left LOL.... Got one pic last night but we had a thunderstorm coming through so there was really really crappy light I will take better pics when I have some good light.

    Anyways, question about the BB I am running a new SLX hollowtech and it comes with the spacers. Now I mic'd the bb shell at 73mm so do I still have to use the spacers? If so, what is the orientation (like the Inbred has 2 on the non-drive side).

    Hoping to hear from the wheelbuilder this weekend and then it will just be waiting on the parts from BikerBob. I pretty much have scab pieces of everything to put it together (aside from a chain) this weekend so going to see if my buddy and I can finish her on Monday! So stoked!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    So grabbed the bike and talked with my mechanic a bit last night, he said he literally had everything done 5 minutes after I had left LOL.... Got one pic last night but we had a thunderstorm coming through so there was really really crappy light I will take better pics when I have some good light.

    Anyways, question about the BB I am running a new SLX hollowtech and it comes with the spacers. Now I mic'd the bb shell at 73mm so do I still have to use the spacers? If so, what is the orientation (like the Inbred has 2 on the non-drive side).

    Hoping to hear from the wheelbuilder this weekend and then it will just be waiting on the parts from BikerBob. I pretty much have scab pieces of everything to put it together (aside from a chain) this weekend so going to see if my buddy and I can finish her on Monday! So stoked!!!!
    Sweet!!

    On the BB spacers....none on the non-driveside...one on the driveside


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    Sweet!!

    On the BB spacers....none on the non-driveside...one on the driveside


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    No doing 2x for now (may eventually try 1x) so one on the drive-side then.. Check.

    Really hoping I can get the chain, dropper and stem from Bikerbob early next week as I would love to have that stuff taken care of. Unfortunately, he had some delays on one of his shipments so stuff hasn't gone out yet. Since this weekend is packed with wedding stuff and baby shower stuff I will swap over the handlebars from the Inbred to the Thumper and start arranging stuff.

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    I couldn't find a geo chart on this bike. What is the chainstay length?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnigro View Post
    I couldn't find a geo chart on this bike. What is the chainstay length?
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    So here is how far I got last night. Haven't gotten everything yet but this as far as she is getting until Monday.

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    Perty... Glad to see you got the headset and bb sorted. All that crap is scary and confusing the first time. Ultimately you build enough bikes that you start to laugh when you realize you probably know more about frame up building than your LBS.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Yeah I figure it is just like working on my LC, scary until you figure out that it is really a simple piece of machinery.

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    Really happy to see out coming together nicely!

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