New 36er SS

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  • 10-03-2007
    benwitt11
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    New 36er SS
    Here's some pics of the new 36er I've been riding. The geometry is tighter, with shorter chain stays, (about 19.25" inches,) and a shorter TT, (about 24".) Rake on the fork has been increased by half an inch, and combined with the shorter stays it handles quite a bit quicker. This one is built with Paragons for SS mode, and can take a rear der if I want. Build kit is pretty standard, Surly hubs, Profile cranks, WTB bars, green Brooks, etc. Gearing is a comfortable 25 X 17, making for a 53.1" gear. The finish is the polished steel I'm currently enamored with that has been clear powder coated. Enjoy!
  • 10-03-2007
    Padre
    I'd love to see one of those built for a guy my size...I dare say it might look "normal."
  • 10-03-2007
    Stroganof
    Phenomenal!! Very cool.

    How in the world do you come up with tires & rims?
  • 10-03-2007
    benwitt11
    They are custom cut unicycle tires. Search for "36er" There are a few other threads about this on this site.
  • 10-03-2007
    benwitt11
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    Padre, it'd be something like this.
  • 10-03-2007
    dRjOn
    W O W
  • 10-03-2007
    Soupboy
    What a stupid gay bike. :thumbsup:

    Can't wait to ride it. See you later this week.
  • 10-03-2007
    rockcrusher
    gad I love the look of that bike....it is the maserati birdcage of the bicycle world

  • 10-03-2007
    benwitt11
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Soupboy
    What a stupid gay bike. :thumbsup:

    Can't wait to ride it. See you later this week.

    Ya, ya, ya... Oh, and your wheels cried when I put them in the truing stand. Nice job!
  • 10-03-2007
    jmkimmel
    Do you ever get the front tire rubbing on the downtube? It looks like, especially with such a long flexy fork, that you could get some contact there when you get on the front brake hard...
  • 10-03-2007
    Padre
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by benwitt11
    Padre, it'd be something like this.

    That's cool!
  • 10-03-2007
    benwitt11
    At the point it would hit, the fork would have to flex over 1.5"s at the tips. The fork is flexy, but I'm 185lbs with gear and with an eight inch brake it has never touched. I may be possible, but unlikely. the fork is just a bit longer than a 100mm corrected Niner, it's really not all that long.
  • 10-03-2007
    Hubert
    Ben,

    C O O L !

    What a bike!

    What's the weight of frame and fork?
  • 10-03-2007
    MMcG
    Pretty nutty. Can you wheelie drop it?
  • 10-03-2007
    croscoe
    That's the most bad ass bike ever!
  • 10-03-2007
    benwitt11
    The frame was sub 5 lbs, and the fork was a little less than three lbs.

    I don't know about wheelie drops on drop bars. On flats I could, but it is hard.
  • 10-03-2007
    BjarneH
    Very nice indeed.
  • 10-03-2007
    poppy
    Sure looks cool, "All Wheel Bike".
    What this bike can do better then other wheel sizes (29") ?
  • 10-03-2007
    MMcG
    YOu should give the bike some sort of Monster Truck Name like Gravedigger, or Bigfoot, or whatever. Those wheels are definitely of Monster Truck proportions.
  • 10-03-2007
    benwitt11
    Basically it rolls over stuff, and goes through stuff, (ie snow,) very well. It is much heavier, and takes a good effort to get it up hills. It's not really better at anything, just a lot of fun to ride.
  • 10-03-2007
    benwitt11
    I'm having decals with the name "Yardsworth" printed. I think it fits.
  • 10-03-2007
    serious
    That looks very awkward to me. It is hard to find the upside of this setup.

    Does the "coffin on wheels" tag represent what this bike would be on a technical trail? ;)
  • 10-03-2007
    benwitt11
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by serious
    That looks very awkward to me. It is hard to find the upside of this setup.

    Does the "coffin on wheels" tag represent what this bike would be on a technical trail? ;)

    I didn't say that it was better on technical stuff, or that it replaced any of my 29ers. Its just a fun bike, that's all.
  • 10-03-2007
    OhNooo
    There's not just toe overlap. The last picture looks like there is actual *pedal* overlap! Man that must be tough to use in a turn.
  • 10-03-2007
    miSSionary
    WOW...Okay...I am off to change my shorts.;)
    Ben, how tall are you?? Curious.
  • 10-03-2007
    benwitt11
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    Yup you can touch. But as illustrated here, just barely. Its no more than my track bike, you get used to it.

    I am 6' and have a 34" inseam. I have a short torso, hence the stem and TT length. For reference, the seat tube is 17.5"s, the ETT is 24", and the BB spindle to saddle height is 785mm.
  • 10-03-2007
    dRjOn
    who is making the frames? are there more? i saw the last one and thought it would be a one off/personal curiosity...

    excellent work! id love to have a ride, though im on the wrong continent....


    you never know! well done!
  • 10-03-2007
    benwitt11
    The frames are made by a builder here in Faribault MN named Mike Pofahl. He's a small garage builder who has been building frames for 20 some years. He does a lot of work with tandems and road bikes. It's pretty much a referance only thing as he doesn't even have a phone number in the phone book. He has built 7 or 8 frames for customer's of mine and three for me.

    This is the third of 3 36er that I know exist, (Cokers excluded.) The second bike was built by my friend Aaron Pidde, or Blonde Fabrications out of MN. This was the bike that some people saw at Chequamegon this year. I built the wheels for that one, and he fabricated the frame. Th first one was built more or less out of idle curiosity. We liked that one so much I had another built to refine some of the ideas from the first. It has proven to be the most overall fun bike I own to ride.
  • 10-03-2007
    Paul1PA
    Video Request
    Really nice job Ben! When you get a chance, try to upload a short video of you riding that beast. It would be interesting to see how easily it traverses over logs and such. With so many people wanting to test ride this rare bike, a video would be the next best thing.:thumbsup:

    Oh yeah, here is the automotive equivalent of your 36er.:D

    Paul
  • 10-03-2007
    Guitar Ted
    Nicely done, Ben!
    Great to see the Yardsworth out finally. Can't wait to throw a leg over the latest version sometime!

    Just to reinforce what Ben has already posted, the original 36"er was no problem at all to ride in regards to toe overlap. Ben and I are roughly the same build, and I never came close to clipping my toes on that first bike. (And niether did the several folks that rode it at the Bigwheel Ballyhoo in June)

    Also, I have always asserted that this is the most grin inducing bike (now bikes) that you could ride. That alone makes having one worthwhile. That it traverses city streets and gravel roads like a magic carpet is a bonus. (By the way, I have nothing to gain by saying these things, I just really feel that strongly about the bikes)

    Another disclaimer: I own a Pofahl single speed 29"er, so maybe you could say I'm a bit biased. Maybe...........:rolleyes:

    Anyway, I wish all of you could give one a whirl someday. It's more fun than humans should be allowed to have. :p
  • 10-03-2007
    LyNx
    Schweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet :thumbsup: must be a blast to ride down the streets, peoples jaws must just drop. Not sure on the drops, you have enough room to have run normal flats or even a riser. Do you just prefer drops?
  • 10-03-2007
    varuscelli
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Soupboy
    What a stupid gay bike. :thumbsup:

    If only I would have had this bike the other night when the two guys in a pickup truck slowed down and took the trouble to yell, "Queer f*****g f*g!" at me.

    They would have had the chance to scream, "Queer f*****g f*g on a stupid gay bike!" instead.

    I sense that a great opportunity may have been missed and I'm so sad for them... :smallviolin:

    Cool bike. ;)
  • 10-03-2007
    Tim1968
    Thats awesome looking!
    like 1800's retro :thumbsup:
  • 10-03-2007
    benwitt11
    The drops are an experiment. I have a love for wide flat swept bars. I'm running the Salsa big'uns on my other bikes. This seemed like a novel bike to try the drops, as it really is an all purpose cruiser anyway. If if doesn't work out, there is plenty of room for a flat bar, and they work well on the first bike.

    GT, I have two of these now. When do you want to ride? They'll both be rocking at Homie Fest up here on the 20th. Do I sense a reason to visit the in-laws?

    I'll work on the video. Probably tomorrow.
  • 10-03-2007
    AL29er
    Toe overlap on that one is a turnoff, but the rest of that thing looks hot. I dig the Padre size. I would love to throw a leg over that size and tool around. New meaning to monster cross right there :thumbsup:
  • 10-03-2007
    Titus Maximus
    Very cool!:thumbsup:
  • 10-03-2007
    Random Drivel
    Man, that looks like fun!!! I want one!
  • 10-03-2007
    29erBidwell
    Benwitt, that is TOO MUCH FUN! Someone is bound to ask . . .

    . . . so, I'll do the honors. What ballpark price range?
  • 10-03-2007
    pimpbot
    Does Rockshox....
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by benwitt11
    Here's some pics of the new 36er I've been riding. The geometry is tighter, with shorter chain stays, (about 19.25" inches,) and a shorter TT, (about 24".) Rake on the fork has been increased by half an inch, and combined with the shorter stays it handles quite a bit quicker. This one is built with Paragons for SS mode, and can take a rear der if I want. Build kit is pretty standard, Surly hubs, Profile cranks, WTB bars, green Brooks, etc. Gearing is a comfortable 25 X 17, making for a 53.1" gear. The finish is the polished steel I'm currently enamored with that has been clear powder coated. Enjoy!

    ... make a Pike for it yet?

    :thumbsup:
  • 10-03-2007
    benwitt11
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 29erBidwell
    Benwitt, that is TOO MUCH FUN! Someone is bound to ask . . .

    . . . so, I'll do the honors. What ballpark price range?

    Any custom builder can build these, so I'd say it would vary. Wheels end up being about $4-500, and tires about $100. So it could be done from some guys for $1400. It could be a lot more depending on parts. Chances are most guys have the necessary parts laying around to build on after getting a frameset and wheels. I'm not doing this to sell any, these are just fun projects.

    I'm really waiting for another builder to get one going. It would be interesting to see someone else's take on the concept.
  • 10-03-2007
    MichiganClydesdale
    wow
    Ben, we gotta talk again, that fires me up to build one. Padre, we might just find out what one will look like this winter. Sweet.

    D
  • 10-03-2007
    funkenstein
    does the tire hit the downtube when you hit a bump? It looks like it would.

    and I guess Cloxxki better make a new 36er message board now :rolleyes:
  • 10-03-2007
    LyNx
    Ride ???
    No way this is the prime opportunity for the first ever 36" wheeled MTB race :D
    I'd like to see the video of that :D GT vs Benwitt :thumbsup:


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by benwitt11
    .........................GT, I have two of these now. When do you want to ride? They'll both be rocking at Homie Fest up here on the 20th. Do I sense a reason to visit the in-laws?

    I'll work on the video. Probably tomorrow.

  • 10-03-2007
    Guitar Ted
    I'm sure I'd lose!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LyNx
    No way this is the prime opportunity for the first ever 36" wheeled MTB race :D
    I'd like to see the video of that :D GT vs Benwitt :thumbsup:

    Might be a fun thing to do though. 36"er drag races! Big wheeled version of "Pinks" :D

    Ben: I'll check the calendar! Talk to you soon. ;)
  • 10-03-2007
    ajbuilder
    I'm not feelin' it.
  • 10-03-2007
    Tobias/Frost
    Nah! The tire clearance is to small, it wont fit with the new 37.5 tire diameter standard...
  • 10-03-2007
    Cloxxki
    Am I ever glad to be a bit taller! 1.5"of extra top tube I can handle, just like an XL Fisher.

    Deep respect for Ben's daring mind. For several years the 36"er and designs for it have been discussed on this forum, so far only Ben has had the balls to make it happen. And then so darn well.
    BB looks like it's lower than 12.5" on yours Ben, how much BB drop is that? Wouldn't a slightly taller BB make the bike more flickable also?

    Envying GT for that test ride...

    J
  • 10-03-2007
    totally_fixxated
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    36" blondefab
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Padre
    I'd love to see one of those built for a guy my size...I dare say it might look "normal."

    A little bit closer to your size Padre.

    http://www.frameforum.net/forum2/ind...howtopic=5091#

    Ben, did Aaron(blondefab)send you any new pix of his 36?

    BTW- Nice 36! I dig the double top tubes, reminds me of Torkers and a few other BMXer's
    back in the day!

    Attachment 299666
  • 10-04-2007
    dRjOn
    i can see a split seat tube a la wolfhound being interesting here to stiffen up bb potentially.

    is there noticeable spoke wind up?
  • 10-04-2007
    RockStarRacing
    that is the ugliest bike i have ever seen.
  • 10-04-2007
    benwitt11
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RockStarRacing
    that is the ugliest bike i have ever seen.

    You didn't like the first one, why bother posting anything now?

    The first bike had a 13.5" BB height, so this one is quite a bit lower at 12.5". I'm not sure that that would make it more flickable.

    The bb area is very stiff on this one. Making a Wolfhound esque rear end has the potential to make the chainstays shorter yet, which would of course be better. There is spoke windup, so I'm not sure a stiffer frame would help anything. The wheels are the flexiest point of the bike. The spoke windup has a curious effect of smoothing out power transfer, making the bike ride very smooth indeed. It is a truely uncanny thing to feel, but is actually nice when riding. Strang I know, but I think it's something that other people would feel when riding as well. This feeling was very pronounced when riding in snow, and had the effect of making the bike much more stable in slippery conditions. It definately won over my Pugsley on hardpack, and was a close second through powder.
  • 10-04-2007
    Padre
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RockStarRacing
    that is the ugliest bike i have ever seen.

    This coming from a guy who drools over 96ers? Interesting.

    Obviously, beauty is somewhat subjective.
  • 10-04-2007
    twobytandem
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    36" absolutely rocks...and just plain makes folks smile
    Ben,

    Fantastic build, just another darn bike from your shop I want...no, need...maybe could justify...let me talk to the wife...think there's "yardwork" to be done in exchange!

    Kudo's for building a beautiful bike for folks like me, someone who just appreciates well executed design and building work and rides his bikes...for FUN!

    I'll attach a pic of our recent 36" creation here in Colorado Springs, a "Big Wheel" that a friend of mine built up from a collection of different vehicles, both Eric @Ground Up and Mindy Carter @CS West Bikes (that's her on it) collaborated.

    Viva BIKES THAT INDUCE GRINS :thumbsup:

    Allen
  • 10-04-2007
    RockStarRacing
    "You didn't like the first one, why bother posting anything now?"

    because i can. other people post there opinions, why cant i.
  • 10-04-2007
    RockStarRacing
    "This coming from a guy who drools over 96ers? Interesting."

    i wouldnt say i drool over 96ers, there are far more obsessive people here who permanently hark on about 29ers....

    and FYI i am in the process over speccing the geo for a carver ti 29er, so im not that 1 sided......;0)
  • 10-04-2007
    GlowBoy
    I think it's beautiful. I want one. And I'm 5'7".
  • 10-04-2007
    Soupboy
    My opinion is that you should learn to use proper punctuation and the "Quote" button.:thumbsup:

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RockStarRacing
    "You didn't like the first one, why bother posting anything now?"

    because i can. other people post there opinions, why cant i.

  • 10-04-2007
    JAKEtheDOG
    Not sure what's cooler. The "Yardsworth" or the 36er trike.

    Sweet ride Ben! Hope to see it in person next time I'm in your neck of the woods.
  • 10-04-2007
    Cloxxki
    The trike... Oh man, are those wheels ever big! I've ridden a 36" cruiser shortly, but always amazed when I find pics showing the very scale of it.
  • 10-05-2007
    Titus Maximus
    From the photo I'd say Mindy's frame fit is all wrong. She has too much leg extention; lower the seatpost. Her KOP is all wrong; move the saddle forward. The bars are way too high and cockpit too stretched; shorten the stem...err...no... lengthen the stem. The good news is the stand-over looks spot on.
  • 10-05-2007
    twobytandem
    The beautiful part...
    Of a bike such as this is that no matter the fit (it wasn't built for Mindy) and how hard one must try to accomodate the design...it still has the same final result.

    Look at that beautiful smile Mindy has!

    Ben hit it right on the head when he said bikes with BIG wheels aren't built to be "better" than another or for any real efficiency reason. They are built because they are FUN

    :D

    Allen
  • 10-05-2007
    Soupboy
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    Soupboy v. Yardsworth
    Fat man on a little biii-yike. Picture of a 5'15.5", 260# asshat on a 36er. I dare say it would look normal if I was using my standard 27" wide risers.

    Heavy: Me, yes. Bike, sorta.
    Overlap: Don't be an idiot.
    Fun: Bet your life Kemo Sabe

    Pure shiggles. If it wouldn't result in insta-alimony I'd order one right now. Now, where's that 36" Nano? (prolly hiding with Cloxxi's 37t cassette!).:thumbsup:
  • 10-07-2007
    Cloxxki
    I envy you for that test ride.
    BTW, where are you stacking the 70lb you got on me?

    I suppose the 36"er renders that loading dock a mere roll-off?
  • 10-07-2007
    twobytandem
    This could be dangerous...
    I just keep going back and staring at the pictures of this amazingly cool bike!

    Absolutely beautiful framework and the more I look at it...the more "right" it seems. Being a 6'1" kind of rider I feel that this bike could be the ultimate cruiser/townie/path/sidewalk/trail/nightride/cafe grin-inducing bike I've ever seen.

    Guess that doesn't really bode well for my potential style-choices but then again...if your grinnin', who cares, right?! :D

    Way to go Ben, keep the Yardsworth alive. If the 29er thing was the "Big Revolution", what are you going to call this?
  • 10-07-2007
    Soupboy
    I wasn't comfortable enough with the drops to attempt going off the dock. The drops felt pretty nice but I'd personally run risers. Also, Ben reminded me that it was a Post Office facility after I rode up there - Los Federales don't take kindly to hijinx these days.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    I suppose the 36"er renders that loading dock a mere roll-off?

  • 10-07-2007
    jcaino
    that bike is awesome...i saw the threads on other 36's and they just look too cool and retro.

    and DAMN that frame is beautiful. i can see why you had it powder-coated clear.
  • 10-07-2007
    SlowerThenSnot
    Way cool!
    I wants one!

    Hummmm maybe my x-mas bonus well be going to a sheep..... that well fit those wheels.....

    hummmm

    maybe this could be the ticket for the '08 gdr :thumbsup:
  • 10-07-2007
    Juan Speeder
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Soupboy
    My opinion is that you should learn to use proper punctuation and the "Quote" button.:thumbsup:


    Not to mention discovering the difference between "there" and "their".

    My 9 year old daughter knows. Why doesn't Mr. Rock Star Racing?
  • 10-07-2007
    power-san
    When you're on it, it actually doesn't look weird at all..
    Man, I knew 29's were too small.. :nono:
  • 10-08-2007
    Padre
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Soupboy

    Pure shiggles. If it wouldn't result in insta-alimony I'd order one right now.

    See, the bike looks allllmost normal with even you on it, even though your a little on the petite side.

    Could be juuust right with someone who's grown up a bit aboard.

    I agree. Dispense with the ridiculous drop bars and rise 'em up!
  • 10-08-2007
    mikesee



    I wanna see a pic of you hucking it off that loading dock in the background.

    Wait--check that. That wheel's big enough for you to roll off the loading dock...

    Love it. Surfing over to Ben's site to find his phone number right now...

    MC
  • 10-08-2007
    teamdicky
    If I could have one more bike this would be it.
    I'd love to try it out, give 'er a go at a hundie, whatever.
    Bikes are about fun, right???

    Nice job.
    Should I be sitting here doing gear calculations and counting my loose change???
  • 10-08-2007
    FuchsAlloy
    That thing is bonkers, I love it! Sounds like a ton of fun.
  • 10-09-2007
    benwitt11
    Mike, PM or email me for my cell #. I've been out of the shop for a bit.

    I love that picture of Soupboy. Look at him in relation to the cars in the background! He simply dwarfs them. Maybe Martini can post up the pic he has of how we got the geared bike down to the Big Wheeled Ballyhoo. It's funny.

    I love the big wheel! I've been thinking of building one of those around a Conundrum Uni with a Large Marge and an Endomorph! I just haven't gotten around to it. That thing would be a hoot to ride!

    The Ledge is a bit intimidating. It's is bigger than it looks, (and Federal property.) The bike is a long thing, and it would take a better rider than I to wheelie drop it. The geo is set up with a weight forward bias, making it harder to wheelie etc.

    I will be posting up some videos as soon as I get some time. I promise they will be worthy of the wheelsize!

    Cheers to all,
    Ben
  • 10-11-2007
    mainemud
    I'm sold...
    Put me on the list!!!!

    Davis Carver
    www.carverbikes.com
  • 10-16-2007
    Reedly
    Can't wait to see more pics and vids of the 36er being ridden!! It really looks exactly like you've said - maybe it won't do any ONE thing better than any other bike, but it sure does look like a blast to ride it around, even if it is just in the parking lot!!
  • 10-19-2007
    29erchico
    Ok, how about we all start pestering Redline to build the MC36?? They might be wacky enough to do it.
  • 10-19-2007
    Kansasflatlander
    39er
    Pretty soon the 36er will be mainstream and then someone will have to go bastardize the thing into a 36/29er, and call it a 39er....
  • 10-19-2007
    benwitt11
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    Quote:

    call it a 39er..
    Like this?
  • 10-19-2007
    SyT
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by benwitt11
    Like this?

    OMG, thats hiliarous
  • 10-19-2007
    slocaus
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by benwitt11
    Like this?

    Put a 12 or 16 inch wheel on there and it will be a modern pennyfarthing. :crazy:
  • 10-19-2007
    Kansasflatlander
    Hilarious Indeed
    I was actually thinking that maybe a 36/29 could be a workable combo, as you could get any rear tire you wanted and maybe make the thing work for real riding. However, after seeing that pic, it kindof makes my stomach turn like a 69er does.
  • 10-19-2007
    benwitt11
    To do it right you'd need a custom frame. As the pic illustrates, it was so high in the front, it wheelied without even thinking about it. It was scary, but definitely hilarious!
  • 10-19-2007
    shiggy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Kansasflatlander
    Pretty soon the 36er will be mainstream and then someone will have to go bastardize the thing into a 36/29er, and call it a 39er....

    Better yet make the tire 39.37" in diameter (1 meter). Call it a 1m or 1000C.
  • 10-19-2007
    fiddlr40
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Soupboy
    Fat man on a little biii-yike. Picture of a 5'15.5", 260# asshat on a 36er. I dare say it would look normal if I was using my standard 27" wide risers.

    Heavy: Me, yes. Bike, sorta.
    Overlap: Don't be an idiot.
    Fun: Bet your life Kemo Sabe

    Pure shiggles. If it wouldn't result in insta-alimony I'd order one right now. Now, where's that 36" Nano? (prolly hiding with Cloxxi's 37t cassette!).:thumbsup:


    Wow, I want to ride it! But seriously, is that your dad's bike little boy?
  • 10-20-2007
    grawbass
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shiggy
    Better yet make the tire 39.37" in diameter (1 meter). Call it a 1m or 1000C.

    I like that idea....or you could call it a 1/1000K. :)
  • 10-20-2007
    slocaus
    Taking your idea to words:

    Point One K or P.O.K.
    ;)