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    My new favorite piece of gear: Wingnut Hyper 3

    I'll start by saying that I'm a fan of large hydration packs. I don't really like drinking from bottles and I like long rides......that being the case, I've tried quite a few hydration packs over the years.

    A typical ride for me had me carrying a 100oz of water, 5-7 gu's, 2-3 bars, 1-2 tubes, pump, mini tool, a small bag of masterlinks and common bolt sizes, knee warmers, upper body clothing layer, and a change of gloves.

    For a longer ride throw in more food, a water filter and more clothes. No matter how you slice it that adds up to alot of stuff. With every hydration pack I've ever used I've wound up with an overstuffed sausage on my back that shifts alot and carries the weight directly on my shoulders.

    A few months back I tried Endomaniac's Wingnut.....by tried it I mean stood in his kitchen and jumped around. However, I could tell that there was something unique and noteworthy about the packs so I picked one up.

    It's awesome.

    This thing will swallow a cubic ton of stuff. I'd be hard pressed to fill this thing to it's capacity on a one day ride in nice weather. It carries everything really low on your back....the result is awesome. The pack basically disappears....you kinda forget it's there.

    The wing pockets are probably the coolest feature. They wrap halfway around your waist giving you 2 pockets per side that are accessable while riding. There's a mesh pocket that I use for food and there's a zippered pocket that I use for arm/knee warmers.

    Best feature.....a mesh pocket on the strap that is the perfect size to hold an Ipod mini.

    For the record: I have no affiliation with Wingnut......I just figured some of you might be interested in these things.

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    I'm getting to know the 2.5 version. So far it's been pretty good. I like the easy-access side pouches but the under-the-arm hose routing did not work for me at all. The loop of hose kept getting snagged on stuff or bouncing off of my thigh on every pedalstroke, and I had difficulty using the round bite valve effectively. I swapped it for a Camelbak hose/bite valve and now route it over-the-shoulder via the mesh tunnel and it seems to work.
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    I'm getting the shop I work at to carry them. I tried on ozlongboraders last year for a bit and was completely sold. And I hate Hydro packs. I've been a dedicated bottle drinker for years. I've tried several packs, but they're all so damned uncomfortable.
    Just a regular guy.

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    Thanks for the heads up Donkey. I've been wishing there existed a better alternative to the Camelback Mule that I have. As stuffed as it gets on most rides, it ends up feeling like a scuba tank on my back. It ends up riding in the middle of my back with the weight on my upper shoulder area. I'm going to try the Wingnut for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cocheese
    Thanks for the heads up Donkey. I've been wishing there existed a better alternative to the Camelback Mule that I have. As stuffed as it gets on most rides, it ends up feeling like a scuba tank on my back. It ends up riding in the middle of my back with the weight on my upper shoulder area. I'm going to try the Wingnut for sure!
    I've noticed that a lot of people end up using their Camelbaks set real low on the back anyway. The lumbar positioning really does hide the weight you're carrying better than a highback pack. I had a Camelbak Hipster (aka Bandito) fannypack-style water bag back in the mid-90's that also carried the weight at the lumbar level. It did not have a decent harness over the shoulders and as such would allow the pack to annoyingly slide down over my rump unless I had the waistbelt tightened up so much that I couldn't bend forward or breathe. The Wingnut harness works well.

    One downside I discovered last week is that with a lumbar pack, I don't have a nice, big, watery cushion on which to land when I go over the bars. I have a nice scrape on my thoracic area now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    I'm getting to know the 2.5 version. So far it's been pretty good. I like the easy-access side pouches but the under-the-arm hose routing did not work for me at all. The loop of hose kept getting snagged on stuff or bouncing off of my thigh on every pedalstroke, and I had difficulty using the round bite valve effectively. I swapped it for a Camelbak hose/bite valve and now route it over-the-shoulder via the mesh tunnel and it seems to work.
    Your Hyper 2.5 seems to be the same width as the 3.0 just shorter? Is that the model that uses the square bladder?

    How are the shoulder straps attached to the 2.5....1 piece of webbing or 2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkey
    Your Hyper 2.5 seems to be the same width as the 3.0 just shorter? Is that the model that uses the square bladder?

    How are the shoulder straps attached to the 2.5....1 piece of webbing or 2?

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    Yes, it's the square bladder model, and the back has two straps. It looks like the 3.0 but shorter. It still seems cavernous though. tberg razzed me by saying, "Nice duffel bag!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    I'm getting to know the 2.5 version. So far it's been pretty good. I like the easy-access side pouches but the under-the-arm hose routing did not work for me at all. The loop of hose kept getting snagged on stuff or bouncing off of my thigh on every pedalstroke, and I had difficulty using the round bite valve effectively. I swapped it for a Camelbak hose/bite valve and now route it over-the-shoulder via the mesh tunnel and it seems to work.
    Hey, that's my mutt!

    Nice duffel bag by the way.

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    Good job!

    Just got back from Fruita and testing my new Wingnut 3.0 on long rides.

    For the most part the pack is great. At first I had it adjusted too low but once I fixed that it nestled itself comfortably in the small of my back and disappeared. I am using my Camelback 100 oz. bladder and it fits well and the hose routing that I figured out works fine. The pack holds quite a bit of stuff but I have not tried "overstuffing" it yet for some of my expedition type rides. My favorite thing are the "wing" pockets both mesh and zippered. It is so nice to be able to put stuff within reach while you ride and not have to stop to pull things out. The zippers work so well that I can comfortably reach back and unzip the wing pocket and grab something out of there too. But most quick grab stuff will be in the mesh. I did not use the draw cord on the back to hold anything. I also like that the main pocket is water proof so If I need to protect something from rain or snow (I-Pod) I can throw it in there.

    One thing did bother me a bit. I don't think the shoulder straps are quite as comfortable as my Camelback HAWG's. There is no padding (thus the WN is really light) and I felt the straps dug in just a bit and I noticed a bit if fatigue up there but not bad. Also as a result of the straps being lighter in build I can't seem to swing the WN onto my shoulders quite as swiftly and surely as my CB. I found myself searching for the straps in order to get the pack on - but this is a quibble.

    Overall I am pleased. The pack is pretty darn expensive though so I was a bit worried about the investment.

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    Which pack will I need for a 40 min. romp through Whiting Ranch?

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    Donkey, where'd you get it? I've been wanting one of these... anyone in Socal carry them, or do i have to order direct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by burner
    Donkey, where'd you get it? I've been wanting one of these... anyone in Socal carry them, or do i have to order direct?
    Yeah, I just ordered off of their website.....www.wingnutgear.com

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    This should be sufficient Padre.


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    Been loving my 3.0 for almost a year now. Wider or padded starps would be a nice option for long rides when the pack is jammed full.
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    Padre, All of the trails here are loop trails that are 10 miles max. I use the Assualt. It holds a CO2 pump/tube, Crank Bros 19 tool w/ chain breaker, and a couple of links. I use a Camelback 35oz bladder in it and so far it has been great. You can also get the older "NewSun" version for like 30 bucks in the closeout section of the site. That is what I went with works well. Later on, JC
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    My friend has been talking about these packs for about a year. I am glad to hear you are enjoying it so much, it makes thinking about buying one a little easier to consider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozlongboarder
    Been loving my 3.0 for almost a year now. Wider or padded starps would be a nice option for long rides when the pack is jammed full.
    Agreed on the straps. I'm going to try and figure something out for the them.

    Forgot to mention in my previous post, the pack was very stable even over rough and tumble trails. I tried the sternum strap but like with the CB quit using it as it restricts breathing too much IMO, but I did not miss it from a stability perspective.

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    I tried to tell you had to really use it to understand its value.

    I couldn't deal with the low hose mounting, I seemed to snag the hose on everything in site particularly my seat getting on and off the bike. Once I converted to a more conventional hose routing set up everything was grand. Have you gotten over the waist belt issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endomaniac
    . Have you gotten over the waist belt issue?
    I'm getting used to it....Once I'm riding I forget all about it....but when I put the thing on and snug up the belt it's still a little weird.

    Now that I think about it..I've cut the waist belt off of every hydration pack I've ever owned.

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    Thanks for the great review and input from other users. This system has just been added to my list and shall be purchased for the upcoming epic riding season (right after I buy some more baggy shorts so you guys don't have to continue to see me in those ugly blue-ish Nema's that are now my sole pair).

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    and one other thing..... the mouthpiece is brown with the supplied bladder, anything brown is very hard to find in the under growth.... my hose got hooked on a branch and it yanked the mouthpiece off, 5 guys 10min and we could not find it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozlongboarder
    and one other thing..... the mouthpiece is brown with the supplied bladder, anything brown is very hard to find in the under growth.... my hose got hooked on a branch and it yanked the mouthpiece off, 5 guys 10min and we could not find it.
    The newer one is blue, but still fairly dark in color. Since Wingnut does not manufacture the bladders, hoses & mouth pieces (yet) they have limited control over those details at this time.


    ...so adding a brightly colored mouth peice to the future improvements list.


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    Been using a Wingnut Hyper 3.0 since shortly after I-Bike 04.

    Great pack for all of the above mentioned reasons.
    And I agree with the negatives of the thin straps & house routing.

    Not much can be done post-purchase about the straps, but long ago I routed the hose up and over the shoulder in a more conventional manner which works great.
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    I bought their Enduro pack on Clearance, but I've yet to use it. I hope it works out well for me though. I used to wear a camelbak and I sweat like a mofo as it is - I'm hoping the lower back placement of the Wingnut pack will help cool me down a bit on my back. We'll see once things get warmer here in Connecticut how effective it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    I bought their Enduro pack on Clearance, but I've yet to use it. I hope it works out well for me though. I used to wear a camelbak and I sweat like a mofo as it is - I'm hoping the lower back placement of the Wingnut pack will help cool me down a bit on my back. We'll see once things get warmer here in Connecticut how effective it is.

    Warmer? how much warmer do you need it to be here? lol

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    I don't need it to be any warmer, but I know it will get much warmer and much more humid too come mid June through July/August.

    Last year at the 24 Hours of Dalton the heat and humidity were formidable to say the least.

    Lemme know when you are riding the W.H. Reservoir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    One thing did bother me a bit. I don't think the shoulder straps are quite as comfortable as my Camelback HAWG's. There is no padding (thus the WN is really light) and I felt the straps dug in just a bit and I noticed a bit if fatigue up there but not bad. Also as a result of the straps being lighter in build I can't seem to swing the WN onto my shoulders quite as swiftly and surely as my CB. I found myself searching for the straps in order to get the pack on - but this is a quibble.

    Overall I am pleased. The pack is pretty darn expensive though so I was a bit worried about the investment.

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    Ed, glad to hear you are enjoying the packs. I spoke with Scott at Wingnut Gear today and he was hoping to have time to post here later. We discussed making the padded strap from the bigger Adventure Pack available for the 3.0. I'll have to have a look at my 3.0 when I get home to see if a retro-fit is an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin_uk
    This should be sufficient Padre.

    That's so 1990.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Lemme know when you are riding the W.H. Reservoir.
    I'm thinking Thursday nite.. either there or Case mtn depending on the amount of h2o on the ground (case would be drier, I reckon')

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    I'm thinking Thursday nite.. either there or Case mtn depending on the amount of h2o on the ground (case would be drier, I reckon')
    Crap - Thursday is a no go for me.

    But I did get out and ride after work tonight and the best part about it, the trails were just down the road and over a dirt embankment about 500 yards down the street from my where I now live!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Crap - Thursday is a no go for me.

    But I did get out and ride after work tonight and the best part about it, the trails were just down the road and over a dirt embankment about 500 yards down the street from my where I now live!!!
    Kool , I'd love to have trails outside my door..where do u live now?
    I'll probably be out Sunday morning too

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    Kool , I'd love to have trails outside my door..where do u live now?
    I'll probably be out Sunday morning too
    I'm in Burlington, CT

    Also very close to Nassahegon's trail network!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie O
    Ed, glad to hear you are enjoying the packs. I spoke with Scott at Wingnut Gear today and he was hoping to have time to post here later. We discussed making the padded strap from the bigger Adventure Pack available for the 3.0. I'll have to have a look at my 3.0 when I get home to see if a retro-fit is an option.

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    Hey thanks for that info! It'd be great to hear an update on that.

    edit: below is based on more extreme riding than most folks do so it is a little more nitpicky as a result - that's all. Great pack!!

    I used the pack again this weekend on a pretty brutal, long KT ride carrying quite a bit of weight; 170 oz. of water, plus gear, plus food, clothes, etc. IOW's - freakin' heavy! The pack was mostly comfortable but the straps were definitely felt and sometimes difficult to untwist up in that back of the neck area. If you are calm, not sweaty and taking your time it's not a big deal but I was very fried mentally and physically towards the end, in a semi-race mode and frustration is difficult to deal with in those situations.

    Also, while I'm going here, the mesh carrying pocket on the strap is great but just a wee bit tight for Hammer gel flasks (not sure all gel flasks are the same size of course). It may loosen up as I use it and I know that we don't want it too loose, so just throwing that out there.

    So I'm very pleased with the pack overall w/ some quibbles that I hope you find are useful suggestions to help out. It is carrying way more than I expected and there are a lot of nifty features I like. I plan to load even more weight on (sorry!) to further test it's ability to carry me through very tough desert riding (water!!)

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    i wore my older model Enduro pack last night and I loved where it sat on my lower back, however - and perhaps it is just something I'll get used to - the shoulder straps could be spaced wider apart so that they don't scratch or rub on the lower neck area. That's the only nagging thing I had with the pack last night. maybe I need to make a few more adjustments to it, we'll see.

    Overall I'm impressed with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    i wore my older model Enduro pack last night and I loved where it sat on my lower back, however - and perhaps it is just something I'll get used to - the shoulder straps could be spaced wider apart so that they don't scratch or rub on the lower neck area. That's the only nagging thing I had with the pack last night. maybe I need to make a few more adjustments to it, we'll see.

    Overall I'm impressed with it.
    Okay, yesterday the pack straps were rubbing my shoulders wrong too. I see several complaints about that issue, and I think I have a solution. I'll try it today and report back tonight...

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    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    Hey thanks for that info! It'd be great to hear an update on that.

    edit: below is based on more extreme riding than most folks do so it is a little more nitpicky as a result - that's all. Great pack!!
    You are exactly who these packs are being tailored to. If we (99.9% Scott Gibson, Wingnut Conductor) can create a pack that is comfortable and sturdy enough for epic rides, then a pack for 1 hour jaunts should come easy.

    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    I used the pack again this weekend on a pretty brutal, long KT ride carrying quite a bit of weight; 170 oz. of water, plus gear, plus food, clothes, etc. IOW's - freakin' heavy! The pack was mostly comfortable but the straps were definitely felt and sometimes difficult to untwist up in that back of the neck area. If you are calm, not sweaty and taking your time it's not a big deal but I was very fried mentally and physically towards the end, in a semi-race mode and frustration is difficult to deal with in those situations.
    I don't follow you here. Why are the straps getting twisted in the first place? What is a KT ride? What is a IOW?

    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    Also, while I'm going here, the mesh carrying pocket on the strap is great but just a wee bit tight for Hammer gel flasks (not sure all gel flasks are the same size of course). It may loosen up as I use it and I know that we don't want it too loose, so just throwing that out there.
    My initial opinion would be to go just a little larger to accommodate the flask or sunglasses, but others use that pocket for Ipods and GPSs....so we'll think on that a bit more. I've been putting the flask in a WingPocket, just make sure it's closed or you'll have a mess on your hands...literally.

    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    So I'm very pleased with the pack overall w/ some quibbles that I hope you find are useful suggestions to help out. It is carrying way more than I expected and there are a lot of nifty features I like. I plan to load even more weight on (sorry!) to further test it's ability to carry me through very tough desert riding (water!!)

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    Glad to hear it and please keep the feedback coming. This is where improvements come from. We don't have a room full of engineers or worse yet marketing types coming up with ideas. Scott designs and manufactures.....you and I test....he improves....we test...the cycle goes on. As our riding evolves, so should our equipment. Please let me know what kind of weight and water capacity you end up going with.

    Thanks for the feedback,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Okay, yesterday the pack straps were rubbing my shoulders wrong too. I see several complaints about that issue, and I think I have a solution. I'll try it today and report back tonight...
    Details please. Specifically the model and year of the pack.

    MMcG, you have an older pack I have not seen in person, so I'll have check if that has the same harness system being currently used with the Hyper Series Packs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie O
    Details please. Specifically the model and year of the pack.

    MMcG, you have an older pack I have not seen in person, so I'll have check if that has the same harness system being currently used with the Hyper Series Packs.

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    Eddie - yep I have the Enduro model - seems to have slightly different straps and venting on the back (I don't think it has the newer air channels).

    I'm pleased by the weight and it certainly can hold a lot of stuff if necessary, but if not, then it can be sinched up with the draw string thing (for lack of a better word for it). I also think I'll be fine routing a reservoir hose up and over the shoulder strap like I did with my older Camelbak.

    I plan to give it another test ride tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Eddie - yep I have the Enduro model - seems to have slightly different straps and venting on the back (I don't think it has the newer air channels).

    I'm pleased by the weight and it certainly can hold a lot of stuff if necessary, but if not, then it can be sinched up with the draw string thing (for lack of a better word for it). I also think I'll be fine routing a reservoir hose up and over the shoulder strap like I did with my older Camelbak.

    I plan to give it another test ride tonight.
    It also does not have the WingPocket design like the newer ones, which as Bush would say "is very disfortunate." You'll still get the benefits of the Lowrider Harness though...

    I use the under the arm hose routing and it works well. The mouthpiece stays close to my chest and does not get as dirty as if it were hanging over my shoulder nor does it drip on my leg like some others....but to each their own, which is why you can route it either way. I would suggest shortening the hose a bit if you route the cable under the arm, so it does not hook on the saddle when pushing the bike....not that I ever do that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie O
    It also does not have the WingPocket design like the newer ones, which as Bush would say "is very disfortunate." You'll still get the benefits of the Lowrider Harness though...

    I use the under the arm hose routing and it works well. The mouthpiece stays close to my chest and does not get as dirty as if it were hanging over my shoulder nor does it drip on my leg like some others....but to each their own, which is why you can route it either way. I would suggest shortening the hose a bit if you route the cable under the arm, so it does not hook on the saddle when pushing the bike....not that I ever do that

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    Mine has side pockets - maybe just not as nice as the new ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Mine has side pockets - maybe just not as nice as the new ones?
    The difference is that the Enduro has zippered entries to the main/central pocket versus the Hyper Series which has 3 seperate pockets, the one main/central pocket and the two Wingpockets. You can still access your stuff, but it's a little less organized. Still, it's a comfy and sturdy pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie O
    You are exactly who these packs are being tailored to. If we (99.9% Scott Gibson, Wingnut Conductor) can create a pack that is comfortable and sturdy enough for epic rides, then a pack for 1 hour jaunts should come easy.



    I don't follow you here. Why are the straps getting twisted in the first place? What is a KT ride? What is a IOW?



    My initial opinion would be to go just a little larger to accommodate the flask or sunglasses, but others use that pocket for Ipods and GPSs....so we'll think on that a bit more. I've been putting the flask in a WingPocket, just make sure it's closed or you'll have a mess on your hands...literally.



    Glad to hear it and please keep the feedback coming. This is where improvements come from. We don't have a room full of engineers or worse yet marketing types coming up with ideas. Scott designs and manufactures.....you and I test....he improves....we test...the cycle goes on. As our riding evolves, so should our equipment. Please let me know what kind of weight and water capacity you end up going with.

    Thanks for the feedback,

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    Ok cool, I just didn't want to come across as a Negative Nelly on the thing because I do like it but I am pushing the limits I suppose.

    The shoulder/neck straps tend to get twisted easily if you take the pack off and put it back on as will frequently happen on epics even with the convenient wing pockets (adding water, getting clothes out, etc.). So if you're not extra careful (time!) when you're putting the pack on you're left struggling to fix that, possibly with full fingered gloves on, in a hurry, etc. If you don't fix it obviously it's uncomfortable. Pardon the comparison but when I pick up the Camelback HAWG and throw it on, the straps are exactly in the position I need them right away. I think it's due to the padding (extra weight of course) and the additional stiffness that padding gives the straps.

    KT = Kokopelli Trail, IOW = In Other Words.

    The mesh carrying pocket could be used for a variety of things depending on the person so it certainly could be difficult to satisfy all. Maybe rather than making it so tight at the top so things don't fall out, add the same pull cord process that is on the wing pockets? Not sure. But I like having that strap pocket available for sure, it's a good thing to have.

    Bladder tube routing has been discussed and I agree that an over the shoulder process still works better for me. An optional routing would be easy to implement I imagine.

    Finally, I have not confirmed this but I suspect the straps may be slipping a bit during the course of rough rides. The material seems more slippery as well as narrower than on my other pack so that might be why. Again I know that you all are trying to balance light weight with durability and comfort.

    Thanks for the opportunity to provide input!!

    Incidentally, when I get the note from MTBR in my e-mail about this thread it says "My new favorite pie..." funny :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    Ok cool, I just didn't want to come across as a Negative Nelly on the thing because I do like it but I am pushing the limits I suppose.
    Actually the KT (now that I know what that means) is a future goal of mine, so thanks for pushing the limits.

    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    The shoulder/neck straps tend to get twisted easily if you take the pack off and put it back on as will frequently happen on epics even with the convenient wing pockets (adding water, getting clothes out, etc.). So if you're not extra careful (time!) when you're putting the pack on you're left struggling to fix that, possibly with full fingered gloves on, in a hurry, etc. If you don't fix it obviously it's uncomfortable. Pardon the comparison but when I pick up the Camelback HAWG and throw it on, the straps are exactly in the position I need them right away. I think it's due to the padding (extra weight of course) and the additional stiffness that padding gives the straps.
    I think I understand what you are saying now, but I do not tend to remove my pack all that much, so I haven't had these issues. I just did a 100 miler and took it off once for a bladder refill. I think you are correct in that the stiffer/more padded straps would hold their shape better and you will have an easier time getting the pack situated correctly.

    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    Maybe rather than making it so tight at the top so things don't fall out, add the same pull cord process that is on the wing pockets? ......
    Not a bad idea and I'll pass that along.

    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    Bladder tube routing has been discussed and I agree that an over the shoulder process still works better for me. An optional routing would be easy to implement I imagine.
    You can go over or under the shoulder on all of the Hyper Series models and many of the older ones too.

    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    Finally, I have not confirmed this but I suspect the straps may be slipping a bit during the course of rough rides. The material seems more slippery as well as narrower than on my other pack so that might be why. Again I know that you all are trying to balance light weight with durability and comfort.
    Make sure the straps are routed through all the possible ...uhhh...strap holders. I had this issue on one ride, but had the straps loose and flopping about from letting others try it on. Once I routed the straps through all the harness straps, I didn't have an issue. ...then again you are carrying a lot of weight and that could be the causing the straps to slip as well. If you have one position you know you like (ie you are not changing the position of the pack based on the load you are carrying) you could wrap a bit of duct tape around the strap to eliminate the slippage as well. Please let me know more about the slipping issue though, there could be something to change in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    Thanks for the opportunity to provide input!!

    Incidentally, when I get the note from MTBR in my e-mail about this thread it says "My new favorite pie..." funny :-)

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    ....nice.

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    Okay, are y'all paying attention? Nat's solution to chafing shoulder straps

    $4.99/ea. faux sheepskin seatbelt pads from the auto parts store! So soft I can tilt my head to the side and take a nap!
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    Whoop, had to straighten out the pads a bit...
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    Nice improvisation Nat!

    And you can always remove and throw it in the was sho it doesn't get funky smellin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Whoop, had to straighten out the pads a bit...
    Ha! That's great. I knew you'd have the solution. I wouldn't sweat much under that layer either ....could double as a neck warmer in winter riding :-)

    I think I'll stick with the current design for now, at least until it cools down.

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    keep the Faux-Sheepskin away from FauxShizzle.

    I'm sure wingnut want's to be able to say "no fake animals were violated during the testing of this product"

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    i've been using a 3.0 for a few months now as well. love it! it's a bit smaller in overall capacity than my prior camelbak rim runner, but infinately more comfortable.

    shouldn't be an issue even on long haul rides, methinks. we'll see on some of the longer high up jaunts to come later this summer. the rim runner wass great in that i had mucho room for a second bladder if wanted/needed. if i do need ot carry more than its capacity, i'll figure out a way to add more pockets, rather than go back to the less comfortable camelbak!

    mods:
    i've attached a small extra pocket up top of the main one to keep my shell in separate from everything else; still keeps it nice and low weight and size wise, and frees up more space in the main pocket.

    key clip just inside the main pocket, below the top of the zipper line. it's just one of those super tiny carabiner things that i sewed onto the large reinforced seam. works well, and i don't have any worry about the keys accidentally coming out while rumaging around for other stuff.

    got a leatherman micro tool, and a micro mag light that mini clip onto the bottom of the upper shoulder strap adjuster/load adjuster strap (whatever it's called) that then sit inside a lateral strap on the right shoulder strap. just below is my bike specific mini tool in it's pouch. velcroed and zip tied on. the left shoulder has the camera bag attached. all this stuff stays safely tucked away below my underams. never rubs the wrong way, stays on tightly, doesn't flop around, has not caused any problems while wrecking or riding.

    also one of those mini compass/thermometer things, and a chapstick holder are on the straps. everything sits securely, and out of the way.

    and none of it interferes with the sternum strap whistle. i'd throw some pics up, but am at work right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Whoop, had to straighten out the pads a bit...
    i've been thinking of something like that, but with a timbuk2 messenger bag strap pad. cut the thing in half, seal up the ends, and velcro it in place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    $4.99/ea. faux sheepskin seatbelt pads from the auto parts store! So soft I can tilt my head to the side and take a nap!
    That is hysterical....I love it. Seems a bit warm for GA in July though....


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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover
    and none of it interferes with the sternum strap whistle. i'd throw some pics up, but am at work right now.
    Nice work. There are some add-on pouches for the less inclined for small things like tools, GPSs and cameras.

    Please do or send them via email to ed at eddieodea.com.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie O
    Nice work. There are some add-on pouches for the less inclined for small things like tools, GPSs and cameras.

    Please do or send them via email to ed at eddieodea.com.

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    pics for ya. the last is the small sealed vial; holds about a dozen iodine h20 treatment tabs.
    not great pics, but you get the idea. munchies in one side pocket, tube/patch/levers/bag of spare part-repair junk in the other. the main pocket only holds my pump and large first aid kit. that's all the stock setup. about 15# as its daily ride weight. the shell jacket is in the red pouch up top. plenty of room left in the side and main pockets for cramming in tons of other stuff.

    i think the only way i'd use the older/larger bag, is for a ride with no option to refill the 1000z bladder either with fresh, or using a filter. some ride that mandated a second bladder.

    you can see in the ride pic that the red thing doesn't really add much to the overall height, and it only weighs another 6oz or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover
    pics for ya. the last is the small sealed vial; holds about a dozen iodine h20 treatment tabs.
    not great pics, but you get the idea. munchies in one side pocket, tube/patch/levers/bag of spare part-repair junk in the other. the main pocket only holds my pump and large first aid kit. that's all the stock setup. about 15# as its daily ride weight. the shell jacket is in the red pouch up top. plenty of room left in the side and main pockets for cramming in tons of other stuff.

    i think the only way i'd use the older/larger bag, is for a ride with no option to refill the 1000z bladder either with fresh, or using a filter. some ride that mandated a second bladder.

    you can see in the ride pic that the red thing doesn't really add much to the overall height, and it only weighs another 6oz or so.

    Where do you keep the repair stand? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover
    pics for ya. the last is the small sealed vial; holds about a dozen iodine h20 treatment tabs.
    not great pics, but you get the idea. munchies in one side pocket, tube/patch/levers/bag of spare part-repair junk in the other. the main pocket only holds my pump and large first aid kit. that's all the stock setup. about 15# as its daily ride weight. the shell jacket is in the red pouch up top. plenty of room left in the side and main pockets for cramming in tons of other stuff.

    i think the only way i'd use the older/larger bag, is for a ride with no option to refill the 1000z bladder either with fresh, or using a filter. some ride that mandated a second bladder.

    you can see in the ride pic that the red thing doesn't really add much to the overall height, and it only weighs another 6oz or so.
    Nicely done for the interesting things you carry. There is already a built-in key holder in mine, it's in the bladder compartment at the top of course, similar location you put yours in. You might have one too but never noticed it.

    I mentioned the up from under hose routing earlier as a minor issue for me, well I have figured out an easy, perfect over the shoulder route :-)

    So the Hyper 3.0 just keeps growing on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddre
    Where do you keep the repair stand? lol

    heh. at one point or another in the past, either i have, or someone else i've ridden with has had need of some of this stuff. sometime other random riders i've run into on the trails.
    broken fingers, all sorts of injuries, broken and missing parts/bolts that i've been able to jury rig and get working. spare disc pads, zip ties, duct tape, a spare shifter cable, a few spare bolts and nuts of the common sizes, a couple rotor bolts, a chainring bolt or two, and a few spare chain links.

    i'd rather carry the extra and not need it than the alternative.

    and if it means a lessened chance of walking out vs. riding out, it's worth it to me. i'm used to the weight, so it doen't even bother me at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover
    heh. at one point or another in the past, either i have, or someone else i've ridden with has had need of some of this stuff. sometime other random riders i've run into on the trails.
    broken fingers, all sorts of injuries, broken and missing parts/bolts that i've been able to jury rig and get working. spare disc pads, zip ties, duct tape, a spare shifter cable, a few spare bolts and nuts of the common sizes, a couple rotor bolts, a chainring bolt or two, and a few spare chain links.

    i'd rather carry the extra and not need it than the alternative.

    and if it means a lessened chance of walking out vs. riding out, it's worth it to me. i'm used to the weight, so it doen't even bother me at this point.
    I'm just giving you a hard time... ... I do like a few of those tips

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    order from?

    Where are you guys getting these packs? After reading this thread, I was all hot to get some as my pack is literally falling apart. I tried wignutgear dot com but they don't have secure ordering. (Putting up an image that says secure does not actually make it secure.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jja
    Where are you guys getting these packs? After reading this thread, I was all hot to get some as my pack is literally falling apart. I tried wignutgear dot com but they don't have secure ordering. (Putting up an image that says secure does not actually make it secure.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jja
    Where are you guys getting these packs? After reading this thread, I was all hot to get some as my pack is literally falling apart. I tried wignutgear dot com but they don't have secure ordering. (Putting up an image that says secure does not actually make it secure.)
    Do it the old fashioned way - give them a call and place an order over the phone.

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    What is this "phone" of which you speak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jja
    Where are you guys getting these packs? After reading this thread, I was all hot to get some as my pack is literally falling apart. I tried wignutgear dot com but they don't have secure ordering. (Putting up an image that says secure does not actually make it secure.)
    What's not secure about the order form... it's SSL secured.

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    It's secure now, but it wasn't the other night. My history still shows it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Do it the old fashioned way - give them a call and place an order over the phone.
    It's always a treat talking with Scott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jja
    It's secure now, but it wasn't the other night. My history still shows it.
    From what I understand the entire went down for a short period due to an error with the host....this may have been related....you should be secure now, but if you have any issues you'll usually get the guy that makes the packs.


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    Great Idea....

    Such a great idea that when riding with a group here in Central Texas I saw a guy with one, I immediately went over to him to ask him how he liked it (I've been thinking of getting one since I hate how the C/B I have sits too high on me). He said he loved it and that for $20 you couldn't beat it.... I couldn't believe he got one for $20 and wanted to know where he got it.... Walmart he replied! Sure enough, not a Wingnut, but rather a Chineese knock off. They sell them here in the sporting goods section. Almost identical. I may buy one just for comparisons sake, I'll post pic's when I get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Bob
    Such a great idea that when riding with a group here in Central Texas I saw a guy with one, I immediately went over to him to ask him how he liked it (I've been thinking of getting one since I hate how the C/B I have sits too high on me). He said he loved it and that for $20 you couldn't beat it.... I couldn't believe he got one for $20 and wanted to know where he got it.... Walmart he replied! Sure enough, not a Wingnut, but rather a Chineese knock off. They sell them here in the sporting goods section. Almost identical. I may buy one just for comparisons sake, I'll post pic's when I get it.

    Please let me know what brand (and I look myself in stores here) and another details you may find. There could be patent infringements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie O
    Please let me know what brand (and I look myself in stores here) and another details you may find. There could be patent infringements.

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    I doubt the knockoff could take what I was just doing; 100 oz. bladder in bladder pocket. A 100 oz. AND a 70 oz. bladder stuffed into the main pocket. Both zip wings pretty full of gear, mesh wings mostly empty and nothing tied down by the cord (yet).

    So, I was able to zip everything up nice and tight with 270 oz. of water attached plus some gear. I bet that knockoff would have exploded!! FYI - there is a reason I am trying this lunacy

    And the mesh pocket on the front left strap is nicely carrying my gel bottle after using it for a while - a little breaking in is all it needed.

    Still pushing limits on this thing.

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    How'd I miss this thread for so long??

    I have been testing a couple Wingnut packs over the last couple of months. I absolutley love the 2.5. It is nearly the perfect pack. The other I have been testing is a prototype that fits in between the 3.0 and the Adventure. It holds 100oz of water, and a TON of gear, but it is smaller than the Adventure, both in cubic capacity and in footprint. Like Ed, I will be putiing the 3.0X, as we are calling it, through the ultimate test in about 10 days, the Kokopelli Trail Race.

    I had not seen this thread, but when I spoke to Scott recently he asked me about the shoulder straps, and if I though they needed more padding. I see why now, it looks to be a concern for many of you.

    I am glad to see so many people enjoying these packs. Scott works hard to create them, and he appreciates any feedback users have. Like EddieO said, he is a pleasure to talk to on the phone, so if you have questions about any of the packs he makes don't hesitate to give Wingnut a call, or drop them an email.

    Right now my 3.0X is sitting next to me, half packed for the KTR. I have been packing it up a few different ways to get the best fit for all the gear I am hauling with me. Tomorrow I will attempt to jam a second bladder (my square 2.5 95ozer) into the main compartment. We will see how that goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie O
    Please let me know what brand (and I look myself in stores here) and another details you may find. There could be patent infringements.

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    Assuming that the pack I saw in Wal-Mart this morning is the same one the previous poster was referring to....major false alarm.

    The pack I saw is a very thorough knock-off of an Ultimate Directions pack....but there weren't any similarities to a Wingnut.

    I'd be curious to figure out if we're talking about the same pack....do you have a pic of the pack you saw at the race?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alizbee
    I had not seen this thread, but when I spoke to Scott recently he asked me about the shoulder straps, and if I though they needed more padding. I see why now, it looks to be a concern for many of you.
    On my older generation Enduro Pack - it is not so much a lack of padding as it is the strap that goes between the two shoulder straps that creates the level of discomfort - it sits up towards the back of my neck and rubs a bit - if there is a way to design the packs to eliminate that portion of material that goes in between the two sholder straps - that'd be all that it took to solve the problem I suspect.

    I should take a picture to show you the portion of the straps that causes me trouble.

    Overall I give the Wingnuts big thumbs up. the weight placement of th load is way better than any of the Camelbaks I've used.

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    I'll go over to Wallie world after work today and see if I can pick one up. I'm not going to say it was exactly like it, but it appeared to have the same "design" factor. Low riding pack, and suspender type harness. I'll get some pic's posted tonight.

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    I've been following the Wingnut threads for quite a while now. You guys have been killing me with this one, so I broke down and called Scott just a few minutes ago. I'm sure I'll love the pack when I get it, but I've got to say I just had a great conversation with Scott about a few different aspects of the bike, pack and "temporary structure" industries. Great guy to chat with. I'm a big fan now and don't even have the pack yet.

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    I just saw the Nalgene Aspect 1.5L on Nashbar. It looks a lot more slim and trim...more my speed. Anyone try this one or have any opinions on it? The price on it is pretty good, if it is stable and works well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil
    I just saw the Nalgene Aspect 1.5L on Nashbar. It looks a lot more slim and trim...more my speed. Anyone try this one or have any opinions on it? The price on it is pretty good, if it is stable and works well.

    Looks nice - looks like there'd be room for a tube, some gu gels, a Topeak multi-tool, and either a small pump or a CO2 set up don't you think?

    I like how their shoulder strap set up looks in comparison to my Wingnut Enduro ( I wonder if I can just cut the piece of material that holds the two shoulder straps together on my Wingnut??)



    The piece that gives me discomfort is that thin read piece of material that runs between the two shoulder straps.

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    The Nalgene definitely doesn't have all the nice and handy features that the Wingnut does, but my rides are hardly ever that long, plus I don't drink that much. I don't like the weight on my back that most backpack bladder systems put on it, and I didn't really like the Camelbak Flashflo digging into my belly. Hopefully this is a good compromise between the two.

    I'll still stick with my water bottles primarily, but for longer races and rides, this should be a good supplement for liquid. With the coupon it was $22.50 Tack back on the s/h and taxes, and the price bumps up again

    I'll let you know how it works after using it a little bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil
    The Nalgene definitely doesn't have all the nice and handy features that the Wingnut does, but my rides are hardly ever that long, plus I don't drink that much. I don't like the weight on my back that most backpack bladder systems put on it, and I didn't really like the Camelbak Flashflo digging into my belly. Hopefully this is a good compromise between the two.

    I'll still stick with my water bottles primarily, but for longer races and rides, this should be a good supplement for liquid. With the coupon it was $22.50 Tack back on the s/h and taxes, and the price bumps up again

    I'll let you know how it works after using it a little bit.
    I bought one. I couldn't get it to stay stable on my lower back. It did carry alot more than it looks likes it should. Good luck with it.
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    New question here. Walmart

    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Bob
    Such a great idea that when riding with a group here in Central Texas I saw a guy with one, I immediately went over to him to ask him how he liked it (I've been thinking of getting one since I hate how the C/B I have sits too high on me). He said he loved it and that for $20 you couldn't beat it.... I couldn't believe he got one for $20 and wanted to know where he got it.... Walmart he replied! Sure enough, not a Wingnut, but rather a Chineese knock off. They sell them here in the sporting goods section. Almost identical. I may buy one just for comparisons sake, I'll post pic's when I get it.
    :mad2: Personally I don't think buying a Chinese copy for comparison at walmart will help this thread much...
    That said I'm buying an American hand-made Wingnut to match my American hand-made bike...
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    Here are a couple pictures of the 3.0X. It is bigger than the current 3.0, but not as big as the Adventure. This will be my pack for the KTR next week. Post KTR I will have a full review of the pack, with a lot more pictures and details.




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    Quote Originally Posted by PinsNeedles
    Sorry to sound negative, but I buy domestic goods whenever possible and yet I practice Chinese medicine for a living
    And you eat Chinese food cooked by Mexicans!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alizbee
    Here are a couple pictures of the 3.0X. It is bigger than the current 3.0, but not as big as the Adventure. This will be my pack for the KTR next week. Post KTR I will have a full review of the pack, with a lot more pictures and details.
    Nice! Wish I had that version, that does look like it could carry a bit more than mine with less "stuffing" required :-)

    It's tough to tell for sure from the pics, is the strap system basically the same as the current 3.0? Same strap width as well? Looks the same.

    I guess I'll see it in a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    Nice! Wish I had that version, that does look like it could carry a bit more than mine with less "stuffing" required :-)

    It's tough to tell for sure from the pics, is the strap system basically the same as the current 3.0? Same strap width as well? Looks the same.

    I guess I'll see it in a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil
    The Nalgene definitely doesn't have all the nice and handy features that the Wingnut does, but my rides are hardly ever that long, plus I don't drink that much. I don't like the weight on my back that most backpack bladder systems put on it, and I didn't really like the Camelbak Flashflo digging into my belly. Hopefully this is a good compromise between the two...
    The Wingnut Assault would be comparable in all aspects with the exception of that low-low price.

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    Durability update: I love the pack, but the durability blows. At least for me. The sailcloth is nice and tough, but in six months of use I've had to:

    Repair two main seams, on both sides where the waistbelt connects. Was pulling apart.

    Both side mesh pockets shredded; had a tube of sunscreen in one side, and a mini camera tripod in the other. not overstuffed, or loaded with sharp stuff at all.

    The fabric covering over the lumbar padding is wearing away, down to the bare foam pad under.

    It's nice that the pack is lite, but then when I'm carrying 10-15 pounds of stuff at a given time, a little more pack weight, in exchange for durability is OK with me.

    I think I'm going to find a Camelbak that is narrower than my previous rim runner model, and redo the straps to have the upper adjustments that the Wingnut pack has, in order to let it ride lower. And attach some large accessory pockets on the backsides of the waist straps to give the lower storage capacity/weight load. I've yet to have durability problems with Camalbaks, in years of use, other than two blown zippers. The Wingnut is a great pack, but it's just not there for me in the durability area. Maybe even a Deuter or REI house brand; both seem to be nicely made packs as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil
    I just saw the Nalgene Aspect 1.5L on Nashbar. It looks a lot more slim and trim...more my speed. Anyone try this one or have any opinions on it? The price on it is pretty good, if it is stable and works well.

    Nashbar knocked the price down even more, so I got one of these this week. Haven't tried it out yet, but just standing there in my garage, with it empty, it feels pretty good

    Less than 18 bucks with a 10% off coupon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamjam
    Nashbar knocked the price down even more, so I got one of these this week. Haven't tried it out yet, but just standing there in my garage, with it empty, it feels pretty good

    Less than 18 bucks with a 10% off coupon.
    I had a hard time keeping the one I got from shifting all over the place. I just got my WNG Assault and it is way more stable. I only got the 54oz version though, so it obviously doesn't weigh as much as the Nalgene. I couldn't find a happy place on my back where the Nalgene would hold still.
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    I saw an ultralight backpack the other day that has removeable foam padding in the shoulder straps. The options are with foam padding, without foam padding or with something else (like socks). The sock concept is consistent with the ultralight backpacking credo that everything must serve at least two functions. What would you stuff into your straps? Arm warmers? Gel packs? Powerbars would form to fit on warm days.

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    Sorry to drag this thread up.

    I'm quite liking the look of the Hyper 3.0. Have the thin straps been sorted out over a year and half on?
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    I will just throw this in here: I recently purchased the split back as a replacement for the camelback freeride bag that I had from my last phase as a mountain biker. I got the splitback because it is small, carries a 100oz bag and comes in chromed silver finish which is cool looking but I also hopes mitigate some of the desert heat.

    I have ridden it a few times and it is really comfortable. The straps are as wide as my camelback but so light that you really don't notice them as much.

    They are really well thought out bags and the company is really cool with a person at the phone (owner maybe?) and running changes to the production line as events warrant. I have even been led to believe that they will do custom stuff for you to bags as long as it isn't crazy.

    The best thing is that when I am getting mad 29er air (har har) it never hits me in the back of my helmet like the camelback always did. That alone was worth the price of admission (which wasn't outrageous either).
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    Quote Originally Posted by capoz77
    Sorry to drag this thread up.

    I'm quite liking the look of the Hyper 3.0. Have the thin straps been sorted out over a year and half on?
    At I-Bike the Hyper 3.0 still had unpadded straps. Scott told me that he would swap them for padded straps. I decided that I wanted the extra room in the Adventure. I think if you order from Wingnut and talk to Scott you could get the padded straps.

    I am still loving my Adventure. My only modification so far has been putting a piece of Ethafoam in the reservoir compartment so that I'm not freezing my back.
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    Sinc ethe thread has been bumped back up, i might as well sing my praise for the Hyper 3.0 as well. I've been loving the capacity for long epics especially in the cooler weather.
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    I'm a splitback user as well.

    It's a nice combination of size and storage capacity for a 100 oz. pack. Initially felt strange after so many years of using Camelbaks with all of the weight up higher. I kept wanting to adjust the straps and move the pack up higher (felt like it was sliding off). Once I got used to it was very comfortable (I don't use the waist strap and the pack stays put with no issues). I still prefer the over the shoulder hose route instead of under the arm. I agree with a previous poster, there is no insulation between you and the bladder other than a single layer of sail cloth. If the bladder is filled with cold liquid, your lower back feels every bit of it.


    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher
    I will just throw this in here: I recently purchased the split back as a replacement for the camelback freeride bag that I had from my last phase as a mountain biker. I got the splitback because it is small, carries a 100oz bag and comes in chromed silver finish which is cool looking but I also hopes mitigate some of the desert heat.

    I have ridden it a few times and it is really comfortable. The straps are as wide as my camelback but so light that you really don't notice them as much.

    They are really well thought out bags and the company is really cool with a person at the phone (owner maybe?) and running changes to the production line as events warrant. I have even been led to believe that they will do custom stuff for you to bags as long as it isn't crazy.

    The best thing is that when I am getting mad 29er air (har har) it never hits me in the back of my helmet like the camelback always did. That alone was worth the price of admission (which wasn't outrageous either).

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    Thanks guys.

    Also where can i look at all the different colour choices it shows here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crashtestdummy
    I decided that I wanted the extra room in the Adventure.
    Hey ctd,

    I use a HAWG/Nomad pack for the most part on day rides. They are always packed tight and full... too tight... too full.

    I am wondering what the best size for me would be for me? The 3 or the Adventure? Now that this dang thread is back up, I have to get a Wingnut.

    Thanks.

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    I'd suggest the Adventure. Plenty of room and straps to cinch it down when you go more minimalist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29Colossus
    I am wondering what the best size for me would be for me? The 3 or the Adventure?
    I use the Adventure, and love it to death. It's my all time bike pack, and also gets a fair bit of use for back country hiking too. Enough room, scaleable down when I don't need all the room, just perfect. Great thing about them is, they listen to customers (and shops like me), and incorporate input on product runs, not just new model years. Super company, extraordinary products
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    What do the inside of the compartments look like? The Camelbaks usually have a couple - one with some organizer pockets, keychain clip, etc. then usually one large hole where everything gets piled together. Does the wingnut have the same?

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    Wow! It's been a while since this thread was rockin' and rollin'!

    I finally bit the bullet and used the Hyper 3.0 exclusively this season when a friend returned it after borrowing and demo'ing it for a bit. The 'ol H.A.W.G. was always present and accounted for but I never felt the need to revert back to it. The H3.0 did just fine. My only quibbles remain having to fiddle with/untangle/untwist the shoulder straps when I put the pack on and the hose routing is through the top of the bladder pocket via the zipper opening, over my left shoulder (because there is only one zipper and I close it) and under the shoulder strap to keep it pinched in place. I like the tube to go through the top zip for simplicities sake and I prefer it going over my shoulder, not going through the small opening and coming up from underneath like my H3.0 is designed.

    Mine is almost two years old now so it isn't a newer model and some of the design elements may have changed.

    It has survived one full season with me and looks none the worse for wear, it's tough! I've come to depend on the accessibility of the mesh pouches. I can pack an amazing amount of stuff into it and it is very light. It is quite comfortable and does not shift around as much as the CB. The iPod fits nicely in the left shoulder strap mesh pouch which is very convenient. I've never had to use the handy whistle but it's there just in case

    I'm glad I stuck with it this season, it has become a favorite pack not only for biking but also for hiking.

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