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    My new Alpine Trail 29er

    Finally bit the bullet and bought a new bike after riding my GT Palomar for the last 11 years. I tested quite a few bikes and settled on the Marin Alpine Trail 29er. The kicker is that I found it on ING Direct's online shop for over $200 cheaper (with a 15% off coupon) than any LBS. The catch? It's orange and has a small ING on the top tube. That being said -- I actually dig the orange/yellow color more than the stock red or black. And if saving 220 bucks means ING gets a little free advertising, so be it. I took a couple quick photos of the bike this evening. Hopefully it won't be quite so clean later this week.

    I haven't ridden more than a few miles on it yet so I can't comment on how it handles a real trail, but I took a decent climb on a fire road this afternoon. I'm not sure whether it's simply the effect of riding newer technology, or if it's due to the bigger wheels, or whether it's all in my head but -- DAMN this thing can climb!
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    Yeah, I like those colors too. Looks good. Let us know how it handles the trails.
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    I checked out the ING site, and that is a screaming deal. Do you need to have an account with them to get it?
    I wasn't impressed with the red Alpine I saw in REI, and I actually think that orange is a much nicer color. Something about a wild color and 29'rs seem to work :-)
    I'm looking forward to your ride report!

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    nice ride.

    Enjoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikecito
    I checked out the ING site, and that is a screaming deal. Do you need to have an account with them to get it?
    I wasn't impressed with the red Alpine I saw in REI, and I actually think that orange is a much nicer color. Something about a wild color and 29'rs seem to work :-)
    I'm looking forward to your ride report!

    No, you don't need an ING account to purchase the bike from their website. You do need an account if you want the extra 15% off though.

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    Holy Moly dude! You got a steal! Good job. I don't suppose they put the ING logo under the clear coat so you can't pull it off, did they?

    I got a feeling ING is going be selling a lot of those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolandjd
    Holy Moly dude! You got a steal! Good job. I don't suppose they put the ING logo under the clear coat so you can't pull it off, did they?

    I got a feeling ING is going be selling a lot of those things.

    Unfortunately, no -- the decal is on there pretty good.

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    that's a looker! You can always cover that ING logo with another sticker.

    Now, we wait for upgrade-itis to kick in hehe

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    Nice ride, enjoy

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    Post ride report

    Took the bike on a 20 mile ride in to work this morning. About 50% was asphalt and 50% was trail. Overall I'm stoked. The tires grip pretty well, it climbs like a beast, and unless there's a boulder in front of me there isn't a whole lot these wheels can't roll over. I can't say I definitely tell a difference in "rolling resistance" over a standard 26" wheel, but I guess I'd have to do a side-by-side comparison to really see. It also feels just a tad bit less nimble in the corners than a standard bike. And I have to say I'm glad I use clipless pedals because the toe-wheel clearance is almost nonexistent.

    On the downside I think something is wrong with either the rear derailleur or the chain. On the tail end of my ride the chain kept slipping and/or trying to shift (making it hard to keep a good rhythm). It happens after 3 or 4 revolutions of the pedals, same time, every time, preceded by an ever so audible "click". I'm no bike mechanic so I'm going to take it back to the shop who built it and let the professionals figure it out.

    EDIT: Flipped it upside down just for the helluvit and turned the cranks to check things out. Found a stuck link in the chain causing the problem as it went through the rear derailleur. Hopefully a degreasing/re-lube will clear things up.
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    Huh, that's funny. I rode the Alpine Trail on Memorial Day, didn't see you there. I'm talking about the Alpine Trail itself, not the bicycle named after it.

    C'mon up to Oakridge Oregon and ride that nice new bike of yours on its namesake trail.

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    P.S. Opened this thread hoping/expecting to see pics of the trail, ha ha.
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    I thought Marin named all their bikes after places in Marin County?

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    volyblmn -

    That bike looks like a great buy. What size did you get and how tall, etc. are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAWS
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    That bike looks like a great buy. What size did you get and how tall, etc. are you?

    I bought the 17" frame. I'm 5'10" / 185lbs. The 17" seemed a tad small but the 19" didn't leave nearly enough room for the boys if I stepped off the saddle quickly. With the 17 I just moved the seat back a bit on the rail to stretch things out. Fits good now.

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    Thanks for the tip on the deal.
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    I ordered mine from the ING DIRECT site. Should have it next Wednesday. Realizing it's only an entry level bike, I figure for the price ($406 shipped to my door including taxes and S&H), I can afford to ride it this year and get a feel for it and a 29er in general. If I don't like it, (or I really like it), I can sell it next year and upgrade to the next level at a minimal loss.

    Good deal.
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    I'm really liking the look of this bike and getting ready to order one. But does anyone have the coupon code to save 15% ? Thanks

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    Oh snap thanks for the tip! That sure is far less than what REI sells it for.
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    Thanks for that. But I can't get the code to work with my customer #. I just opened a basic saving account, to try and save the 15%. I'll give it a try Monday, and if it still won't work will just go ahead and order it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asheck
    Thanks for that. But I can't get the code to work with my customer #. I just opened a basic saving account, to try and save the 15%. I'll give it a try Monday, and if it still won't work will just go ahead and order it anyway.

    Just email the Shop ING Customer Support folks and let them know you're having problems using a 15% off coupon code. (I never actually sent them the exact code I was trying to use, so I think it's probably a common problem.) Someone should get back to you within a few hours and will most likely tell you to just order the bike and respond with your customer number and order number, then they'll issue a 15% credit after-the-fact.

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    ^^^^ That's what I did. It worked fine.

    Here's my initial feelings about the bike.

    For starters, I'd take it to your LBS and have them do a once over on it before you ride. My rims were not true, the bottom bracket was a bit loose and the rear cassette was also loose. Just because it's brand new, doesn't mean that the factory put it together right. My tune-up was $60. For the price of the bike, adding another $60 is still well worth it.

    1. Frame is great. Seems stiff and geometry fits me well. I'm 6' and 180lbs (yes I need to loose a bit of weight ). The bike seems light and agile on the trail. I had no problems with the single track riding I was doing.
    2. I can't emphasis the paint job enough. It is really cool. The base color is yellow and has an orange over spray covered by clear coat. It's sharp. According to the fellow that I talked to at Marin, ING paid extra for the paint job. It ain't no ghey white bike.....it's a darn good color .
    3. The Hayes brakes are nice. They work flawlessly (even in the 2' of water I was riding in on Saturday). It took me 2 hours to dry, clean and re-grease the bike Saturday night.
    4. The Dart 3 shock is entry level. I'm all ready having issues with my lockout. It simply doesn't work right. I still get plenty of travel in the lockout position. When not using the lockout, shock works fine for lighter trail riding. I really don't think it's going to hold up on the rocks here in Central PA. I'll probably upgrade at some point to a Fox.
    5. The tires are a soft compound. They stick great to the trail......however, don't expect to get more than a season out of them.
    6. Grips are so-so. I'll probably upgrade at some point to OURY's or maybe even try a pair of ERGON's.
    7. Shifting can at times miss. But....for the most part the Alivio's do their job. Time will tell.
    8. The platform pedals that came with are for your kids bike. Don't even bother putting them on. Go get a decent pair of clipless. No complaint here. Most bikes don't come with pedals anyway and the manufacturer assumes that you are going to put the pedals that you like on the bike anyway.

    Bottom line: For the $$$, I don't think that you can better entry level 29er anywhere. My total cost was like $406 shipped to my door. Add the $60 tune-up, and I'm at $466. The bike does what I want it to do and it fits me great.
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    Just got mine ordered tonight. Pretty hard to throw down money on a bike I never got to sit on. Hopefully the 19 works out for me.
    Anyone know how long was shipping from ING?

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    Ordered 6/3. Recieved on 6/10. I live in PA. Bike was shipped from California.

    Like I said, I'm 6'. I ordered a 19". It fits me great.

    Did you get the 15% off??
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    Thanks for the quick reply. I never could get the code to work. They said they would credit me the 15% back, just go ahead and order it. I'm in KS, halfway in between so hopefully it will be less then a week.

    How much assembly was involved?

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    i really dig the color... for the price it would be an awesome way to get into cycling on a 29er...
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    Quote Originally Posted by herrhaus
    ^^^^ 4. The Dart 3 shock is entry level. I'm all ready having issues with my lockout. It simply doesn't work right. I still get plenty of travel in the lockout position. When not using the lockout, shock works fine for lighter trail riding. I really don't think it's going to hold up on the rocks here in Central PA. I'll probably upgrade at some point to a Fox. [/B]
    Common problem with RS Darts, You may need a new crush washer on the bolt on the bottom of the right fork leg. Have the shop check it and add a bit more fluid to the damper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Doom
    Common problem with RS Darts, You may need a new crush washer on the bolt on the bottom of the right fork leg. Have the shop check it and add a bit more fluid to the damper.
    Funny thing, it was that way right out of the box. Yes, eventually I'll do that. Right now.....it's busy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asheck
    Thanks for the quick reply. I never could get the code to work. They said they would credit me the 15% back, just go ahead and order it. I'm in KS, halfway in between so hopefully it will be less then a week.

    How much assembly was involved?
    Not too bad....however, refer to my earlier post (the long one above).
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    Got mine today. Took it in for the tune up, and even got a 5 mile road ride in on it. So far so good. This thing is almost like cheating compared to the old pos I was riding. I'll be hitting some trails on Saturday, and will have a much better idea of what this really performs like.
    You just can't understand the coloring of this bike till you see it. It turns about 10 colors depending on how you look at it. Guys at the LBS were pretty impressed.

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    Good find!
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    It looks like mine will see the Wilderness 101 this year. While I have big plans......hopefully my "training" will be adequate enough to finish. I am optimistic.

    I plan on removing the 3rd chain ring and replacing with bash guard. I need both the clearance and the durability. Lots of rocks here in PA.

    I'm also replacing the seat. It reminds me of a tractor seat....on long rides, it hurts after a while.

    BEWARE: Broke the chain last week. A normal 8-speed sram speed links do NOT work on the chain form some reason. We even tried a 9-speed link to no avail. I had to fix the old fashion way (remove a link and re-pin). I plan on buying a decent chain for it as well.
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    Some pictures......

    Been meaning to do this for a while. Here are a few pics. Sorry about the "office" background. I drove to work today on my 1WD vehicle.......
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    More ride reports please.
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    Here's one......

    http://www.nittanymba.org/component/...,6653/catid,3/

    All fun aside....I still think the bike is a great value. I've had it on some tough trails (by eastern standards). My paint job is all ready all scratched and banged up, but it's doing the job it was intended for. I have a new seat on order. I have a new chain (SRAM PC-870) on order. I'd love to get rid of the 3rd chain ring and replace with a bash gaurd....or just get rid of all together. I keep smashing it on the rocks and trees. Not enough clearance.
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    Mines only been on easy stuff. But so far I like it alot. I thought the deraillures would need upgraded quickly, but they actually aren't as bad as I was expecting, neither is the fork.
    I have found some of the strengths of the 29s.Me and some buddies went out last weekend on some trails that had a little glaze of mud in spots. The guys on 26s got smoked, and both went down. The extra traction came through.
    BTW does anybody have one that didn't come from ING?

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    I was in a local bike race here and one fellow had a bright red 2009 Alpine Trail 29er. I rode up next to him and said "hey, nice bike you got there". We talked a bit.....I told him I got a great deal on it. He says "Yeah me too, I only paid $650 for it". I just looked at him and "Oh really".
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    I'm interested in this bike, but it seems ING only sells it in a 17" or a 19". At 6'4" I'm thinking the 19 would be too small. I hate to have to pay $300 more to get a larger size

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    Helluva good find guys.

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    Agreed.

    I was just about to order it until I found a Cobia local on craigslist.

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    Good Gawd is this really legit?? I was eye balling the fire engine red version at REI just the other day??!! I mean seriously??? Same stuff?? Alivio components?? Seems like a s-t-e-a-l for what it is!

    I'm 5'10, 180lbs currently riding a 19inch specialized hardrock... would you guys suggest the 17 or 19in? thanks=)

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    Yes. Identical....just a much BETTER color (well that's my opinion anyway). My inseam is 32". I can tell you that if I was shorter, I think I'd have an issue with my "parts". For some reason, I can't seem to find the 2009 Marin Sizing chart....so I just went out and measured my 19" frame.

    The distance to the top tube is 30.5" @ the seat tube.....however, the top quickly climbs as you travel towards the headset. The distance to the top tube where you actually stand is 31.5"......So keep that in mind.

    I think I'd go for the 17" if I were you.
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    Remember, this is an entry level bike. Alivio components, the Dart fork and the wheel set are all the lower end stuff. Also keep in mind, it is an 8-speed.......not a nine.

    Given the amount of serious riding that I have been doing weekly and the type of trails that I've been subjecting the bike too, I am finding that the bike will probably not stand up to continuous use. I ride in very rocky terrain (for eastern standards). My rims are not holding up to it. I've also noted a few issues with mine in an earlier post (above).

    However, with all that said, I think if you're not riding it on really ruff trails nor are you putting nearly 80 miles on it per week.....I still think it's a fantastic deal. It get's you on a 29er at a really reasonable price.

    Another nice thing, because parts are on the lower end of the scale…..replacing them is also a bit less expensive. I just replaced the rear derailer with a brand new one for $30 (on ebay).
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    I'm 5'10, and have the 19. Still not totally sure I made the right choice, my boys could suffer from a slip off. But from what I could find the standover is not that different, and with my feet on the pedals I'm happy.
    I to, think this bike is a steal. The components may not be the best, but you have to get in the $800+ range to really beat what you get.

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    When you buy the 17".......If you need to stretch out a bit more, just purchase a longer stem. I have a friend who has the 17" and he's 6'. He got a bit longer stem and that seemed to work ok for him.
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    So it sounds like the 19" isn't out of the question for someone who is 6'4" with a 34" inseam?

    If that is the case, who are the 20.5" and 22" frames made for ?

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    Go find an REI near you and hop on one and see. That's the best I can say.
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    anyone know if ING still has these bikes for sale?? I looked on the website and could not find them any where.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 06whitetaco
    anyone know if ING still has these bikes for sale?? I looked on the website and could not find them any where.
    Thanks Ben

    https://shop.ingdirect.com/Product_D...42412F134CBF0E

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    Any issues with toe overlap on the 17"?

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    No more so than other 29ers. My friend has the 17" and I've ridden it. If you're using clipless then there really isn't any issue.
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    Thanks

    for the heads up on the deal. I had been looking at other 29ers and think this will be a great bike to start out on.

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    Can someone post pics of the rear tire / chain stay clearance? Any tried putting fatter tires on yet?
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    Haven't tried anything else, yet.

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    As near as I can tell, it's 2-5/8" wide on mine.

    Note in the picture above, those are the stock WTB Prowler 2.1's. BTW: asheck has a lot more tread on his that I do.....
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    Here's a slightly different angle.....
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    are those your pink toe nails

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    Looks a bit tight in there...

    With a wet winter coming, I'm thinking anything wider would be pretty tough on the chainstays. If someone has put more meat back there, please post pics and experiences as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metelhead
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    How do you say "yes" with a lisp on a forum?

    They aren't pink there sizzlechest....
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    I just scored one of these for $337.50 + $10 shipping. I signed up for a savings account, emailed the shop saying I couldn't get my 15% off code to work, and in return I was sent a 25% off code! The code I was given is 9SEPT9 and it expires on 9/21. I dunno if the code will work for anyone else, but it might be worth a try.

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    You suck! That's a sick deal.

    Hmmm, I may just pickup a second one in the near future for conversion to a hybrid for my commute to and fro to work.

    Thanks for the update.
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    This will be my first 29er so I'm pretty excited about it....definitely glad I saw this thread.
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    I haven't been beating the crap out of mine on the rocks of late. It's been mostly road and smoother trails. I've got about 650 miles on mine since the last week in June. It seems to standing up well to that type of riding. I get lot's of comments on the paint job. I'm still happy with my purchase (I think it was like $406 shipped to the house).

    I've been trying to find a GF Montare or Utopia for my commute to work. I'm not sure how much effort it would be to convert one of these to a street bike.
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    Seeing as I've been referenced a few times in this post I thought I'd give my two cents worth. Thanks herrhaus!

    I have the Marin Alpine Trail 29er 2007 model. Which is identical to the fancy 08 orange/yellow ones pictured above. (I think these guys have pin-ups of their bikes in their bedrooms at home.) Maybe I'm just jealous that they paid about half what I did, I don't know......

    Mine is Gatorade yellow.

    I love the bike. I would buy another one, well.... I'd upgrade to the Nail Trail just for bragging rights.( and the Fox fork, and hydraulic brakes, and the .......)

    I did have trouble with the lockout function with the Dart3. I had it into the LBS several times and they kept telling me the fork was low on oil, and causing the lockout to stop working. Finally, I took it to another bike service shop (no sales) and he found that the previous shop kept putting in the amount of oil for the 26" Dart3 NOT the 29". Everything seems to work great now.

    I use platform pedals and every now and again my toe touches the front tire. I'm 6' and size 12 foot.

    I've ridden at least 600 miles most of it on trails. Muddy trails cause a lot of build-up between the tire and seat post and can restrict the shifting on the front chain ring.

    I think the rear tire tread wore out really fast.
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    Mine is still going strong, no upgrades yet. I need to replace the fork, as I have outgrown the Dart 3. But it's handled some 3ft drops, and is still working fine. I think the tire/wheels will be after that. I thought I wouldn't be happy with the Alivio components, but they have been working better then expected. Haven't had mine on near as many trails as I would like, but have probably managed a few hundred miles on it.

    Anybody done any upgrades yet that you felt greatly improved anything?

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    Here is a pictrure of my ING direct Alpine Trail 29er on the back of my Vibe.

    The seat is an upgraded replacment from WTB because I bent the rails on the OEM one. The spokes on both wheels had to be retensioned after a few rides. The cranks bolts came loose on the first ride and ruined the fit to the bottom bracket so now they creek like crazy and will not stay tight. If you build the bike your self make sure to crank them to speck, do not trust that the factory did it properly. I have a new bottom bracket and crank set on order to replace them, (upgraded to ISIS style). Other than those few problems it has been great. Keep in mind that I weigh 220 lbs., ride hard, and have no skills.

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    I picked up an 09' a couple of weeks ago...didn't get a "to die for" deal like some of you have posted but it was cheap enough to get myself back onto a mountain bike. Tonight was the first time I had a chance to hit a fire road and actually get the sucker dirty

    The first thing I replaced were the grips for ODI lock ons. The ones it came with were rubbish and couldn't even manage to stay put on paved bike paths. Didn't like the "squishy" feel of them either.

    I had a Thomson Masterpiece seat post from a road build and a Selle San Marco Ponza saddle to throw on it. I also switched out the rear tire with a Kenda Small Block 8 to drop some weight. I replaced the brake levers as well with some Avid SD SL's for a little more adjustment and a little weight reduction (minimal I know but I like Avid SD's).

    I was really hoping the Hayes MX 4's would be decent enough to hang onto for awhile but after tonight's limited descent, they aren't gonna cut it. The rear started squealing as soon as I started my descent. A couple of minutes later the front started to grind like a car does when you neglect replacing the shoes. It wasn't too noticeable (aside from noticeable loss of power) until I hit the last section that turns to pavement and you hit some serious speed, maybe upwards of 35~40ish. Not serious for some I suppose But serious enough to expose these brakes as middle of the road OEM's.

    My Tracer had BB7's and I never experienced what I felt today so I'll be swapping these out pronto. I am by no means a fast or hard core rider, but these things don't inspire any kind of confidence what so ever. I've tinkered with them a bit and had them set up proper. I'd prefer a good set of Avid V brakes over these.

    So far as the bike and handling go...I think she's a keeper. I was pretty surprised by the amount of cush for a hard tail. This is my first. The Dart 3 is plenty adequate for my skill set I think. The only reason I can see changing it would be to drop some weight. I did notice a bit of flex but nothing major. I need to keep the weight weenie part of me under control and stick with all the bits and pieces that work for as long as they hold out. Mechanically, the brakes are the only thing that have to go right now.

    I think once I get the cock pit dialed in this is going to be a perty darned good bike...

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    I've had good luck with the brakes thus far. Make sure that they are adjusted correctly. When you squeeze the brake handle, the brake piston shouldn't push the rotor over (or if there is rotor movement, it should be minimal). On occasion, mine do squeal....however, that usually when wet. Doesn't last long tho.
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    Anyone know how much the frame weighs? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herrhaus
    I've had good luck with the brakes thus far. Make sure that they are adjusted correctly. When you squeeze the brake handle, the brake piston shouldn't push the rotor over (or if there is rotor movement, it should be minimal). On occasion, mine do squeal....however, that usually when wet. Doesn't last long tho.
    I've got the inside pad positioned just shy of rubbing/dragging to eliminate just what you've described and as you say, push over of the rotor is minimal. My squeal seems to have appeared simply from trail dust as it was immediately after I turned around to go down. I've had the bike for a couple of weeks and just tooled around on pavement and the brakes felt fine. Works great as a horn to let people coming up know that I'm coming down I could deal with squeal but this is the first time I've had noticeable power loss so quickly and then the grinding sensation to go along with it. My BB7's never exhibited any such behavior.

    They are easy to adjust and have pretty smooth action so I had high hopes that they would work out. Like I said, I'm not hard core, but this particular set just aint gonna cut it. I'm glad that a majority of people are getting decent results, I just don't happen to be one of them...I'll pull em', clean em' and craig list em' and move on.

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    Anyone found a bashguard for these cranks yet? I never use the 3rd ring on my 26er and probably won't on this either. But, looking at the cranks I noticed the small BCD. I was hoping to use a BBG bashguard like I have on my 26er, but different BCD.

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    Here's mine:



    It will see some trails tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trrubicon06
    Anyone found a bashguard for these cranks yet? I never use the 3rd ring on my 26er and probably won't on this either. But, looking at the cranks I noticed the small BCD. I was hoping to use a BBG bashguard like I have on my 26er, but different BCD.

    looks like standard 4 bolt bcd from here... do some research

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    No, its different. All the rings are attached with the same bolts. The outer and middle rings are bolted to the spider... and the granny to the back of the spider on my Shimano's.

    Here's a large picture showing the Marin and one of my Response with BBG bashguard.

    http://www.marinbikes.com/2009/us/bi...29_ALPN-29.jpg

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3501/...3a73e502_b.jpg

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    They look like cheaply stamped chainrings. In that case, you may want to upgrade the whole crank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newaccount
    They look like cheaply stamped chainrings. In that case, you may want to upgrade the whole crank.
    agreed, its just a cheap crank then

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    Well I took the bike on some trails and it definitely rolls over roots and what not a lot better than my 26er, and those big wheels have a ton of momentum once they get going, but I am not liking the low BB height. It's 0.88 inches lower than my 26er. That's gonna take some getting used to......gotta really watch my pedal placement now since I did hit them on stuff a few times.

    Other than that, I really can't complain much. I did have to retighten the stem's steerer clamp and the quickreleases after a while, even though I thought I had tightened them enough when I built the bike, but hopefully that won't be an issue.....and even if it is it's not an expensive issue since I already have an extra stem sitting around.

    The fork actually did fine.....but I did not use the lockout since it's really not necessary for the trails I ride....no telling if it works or not.

    Overall, for $340 I think I did ok.
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    I contemplated a bash guard, then I just decided that the 3rd chain ring would end up serving as the bash guard. If you look in the photo I posted above you can see on my crank arms that they are all smashed up from the rocks here in Rothrock State Forest (and my lack of "skills").

    I understand wanting to gain a bit of clearance. I am constantly bumping the chain ring on logs.
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    Here's my $347 shipped deal



    Now just waiting on new pedals and for the rain to stop so I can get it dirty. Will also probably change the cranks so I can run a bashguard.

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    Anyone know the weight of the frame? I see slight variations on each of the Marin 29er frames. I'd like to know if this is worth upgrading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newaccount
    Anyone know the weight of the frame? I see slight variations on each of the Marin 29er frames. I'd like to know if this is worth upgrading.
    What variations are you seeing?? The picture above is a 17" frame....is that part of the variations?
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    That's the only variation that I notice as well. herrhaus and eminefes bikes appear to be 19" frames apposed to my 17" pictured.

    I think it is a very worthwhile bike to upgrade for what I payed. Very nice quality and it was about, if not less weight then my 26" Response was stock. I'm pleased with it so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trrubicon06
    That's the only variation that I notice as well. herrhaus and eminefes bikes appear to be 19" frames apposed to my 17" pictured.

    I think it is a very worthwhile bike to upgrade for what I payed. Very nice quality and it was about, if not less weight then my 26" Response was stock. I'm pleased with it so far.
    I meant differences in frames between the higher end Marin 29er bikes.

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    I need to do a good solid cleaning on mine here some day. When I do, I grab the scale from work and see how it tilt's it.
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    I would venture to say that this frame is not as light as the hydroformed frames like the Nail Trial 29er.

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    Figured I'd add an update.

    I took the bike to a much hillier trail today and this time the bigger wheels really showed what they can do. While my Fisher HKEK still performs better on smooth hills, once some rocks and roots are thrown into the game, the much heavier 29er goes up the hills way better. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised, but I was.

    As for how well the bike is holding up, the rear wheel isn't so hot. My lbs couldn't get it very true, and I can't either, so it doesn't have a good shape. It was bad right out of the box, so maybe I got a dud. In any case, I foresee an inevitable upgrade in the future.

    Still $340 VERY well spent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eminefes
    As for how well the bike is holding up, the rear wheel isn't so hot. My lbs couldn't get it very true, and I can't either, so it doesn't have a good shape. It was bad right out of the box, so maybe I got a dud. In any case, I foresee an inevitable upgrade in the future.
    The Alex rims are very low end. I had the exact same issue right out the box. My LBS did the best that they could. Just make sure there's equal tension on all spokes. That the best you can do. I will say this, while they are not true, they haven't gotten much worse. Even on the extremely rocky terrain that the bike occasionly sees. So, on that note.....it will stay about what they are now.
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    With regard to the brake squeal......when I get to it....I plan on doing what they do with automobile brakes to stop squeal. I'll put a dab of automotive caliper grease on the back of the pad and front of piston. I have a feeling that will solve that issue.
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    I'd like to get one for my son who is turning 14 around Christmas. Do you know of an active 25% off coupon code? 9SEPT9 expired on 9/21.

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oragun
    I'd like to get one for my son who is turning 14 around Christmas. Do you know of an active 25% off coupon code? 9SEPT9 expired on 9/21.

    Thanks!
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    Looks like all they have now are 17" from ING...even without a coupon the asking price of 450.00 I think is still a killer deal. How big is your son? I'm 6' with 32ish inseam and the 19 is right at the limit for standover and my privates. Other than that it fits me well...

    https://shop.ingdirect.com/Product_D...286440F884BD05

    Heck, I paid 600 plus tax for my 09 and I'm happy as hell with it. Certainly a bike worth upgrading bits and pieces here and there...

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    He stands 5'10". I was hoping they still have the 19" so he can grow into it when he reaches 6'+ in high school. He likes to ride my XL HiFi now!

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    do you have the weight of this bike out of the box?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyjeys
    do you have the weight of this bike out of the box?
    They weigh in at 33lbs. With the few changes I've made mine is under 32 now...19" frame. Wheels are heavy at 2550g (5.62lbs). Tires are 840ish a piece. Dropped a quick half pound by switching to a Kenda Small Block 8 in the rear.

    I'm tempted to strip it down completely to see what the frame weighs and repaint it in the process...

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    I weighed the frame with the bottom bracket, headset, and cable ties to get 4.85 lbs. The frame should be about 4 lbs even. Not too bad.

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    So, did a little upgrading today, the first of many planned. I was never happy with the Dart, so thought a Tora might do a little better. I found this on the bay for 200, new. So far it seems to be much plusher, but only ridden in my driveway. Hopefully somewhere will be dry to ride tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asheck
    So, did a little upgrading today, the first of many planned. I was never happy with the Dart, so thought a Tora might do a little better. I found this on the bay for 200, new. So far it seems to be much plusher, but only ridden in my driveway. Hopefully somewhere will be dry to ride tomorrow.
    I would suspect that the difference between the Dart and the Tora are minimal... But...if it puts a smile on your face the next time you hit the trails then it's all good

    I replaced my Hayes brakes for some BB7's and it put a smile on my face...plus I got 40 bucks for the Hayes which covered just shy of half the cost for the BB7's. Night and day difference. No squeal. No fade. No vibration.

    I set the sag on my Dart, adjusted the rebound (right in the middle) and it feels fine. You can watch the forks flex inward when you apply the brakes but they don't feel too bad as far as handling/absorbing the trail goes. Still trying to adjust to the hard tail part of it coming from FS. Not bad, just "different".

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    Quote Originally Posted by asheck
    So, did a little upgrading today, the first of many planned. I was never happy with the Dart, so thought a Tora might do a little better. I found this on the bay for 200, new. So far it seems to be much plusher, but only ridden in my driveway. Hopefully somewhere will be dry to ride tomorrow.
    What did you do with the old Dart? You looking to get rid of it?
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    I haven't decided for sure. I have alot more upgrades on the way. To the point of I'm thinking of just getting another frame, and building my son a 29er. If I decide to get rid of my extras I'll let people on here no first.

    Btw after a couple runs I think the Tora was money very well spent. It seems to deliver the plushness that the Dart was lacking. Though I don't think the Dart is as bad as people had me believing before I got it.

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    I'd love to know how many bikes ING sold since I bought mine and posted about it... I asked a rep if they had another bike planned for 2010 and they said "Yes, due to the number of sales we've had, we're working with Marin to sell another bike in Spring of 2010."

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    Damm, I was really hoping they'd have the 19" in stock as I'm 6'1" and 34" inseam. I think the only bike within my budget now is something from BD since I can't find anything used the past few months and my 26er needs to go as it's falling apart.

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