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    For the love of THE GRANNY

    I just got back from another UP/DOWN ride and I couldn't help but think about how much trash folks talk about 'the Granny'. Unlike most I'm not going to say I'm in 'too good' shape to need the granny, because I'm in good shape and I like to spin and climb technical, tricky ****.

    The old, trusty, dependable Granny is there when you want to climb something so steep, so LOOSE, so soft that you need to tiptoe up it. So sneaky that your wheel might start to slide and you need to apply or remove additional torque for just a millisecond and not lose it all together. Laying over the front wheel (not in front of it like on a 26"er, yuck) feeling like you are climbing with your fingernails and pinky toes up the mud/pine needle/ handful of marbles wall. Also, not ttoo be overlooked is the sweet wheelie street cred.

    GRANNY GRANNY GRANNY, OY OY OY!

    I love you Granny. I also love my Salsa El Mar.

    I'm finished. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1PYp-fsZOA

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    Okie dokie.
    "Either way it doesn't really matter, I just got back from a bike ride."
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    dvn, do you rock a Granny?

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    I love my granny too, she is 86 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abelfonseca View Post
    I love my granny too, she is 86 years old.
    Mine has 22 teeth. Just Sayin'

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    The whole 1x thing is great for people who can't climb steep **** anyway. 22x36 FTW!

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    1X, 28-front, 11-42 rear, can climb most stuff that other mortals can climb and don't have to dink around with a front der. But if you like running a 2x front, rock on.

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    Well, I was attempting some amount of humor but 28x11 isnt enough to set my new max downhill speed on the ride home (currently 47.95mph). My HT steel el mar is supposed to be a jacknife bike that I can use for anything..

    Going to switch from 3x9 to 2x10 next year , need to consult the gearing charts and product reviews for best setups. Thinking xt looks like the best option but man that xtr crank looks nice. Havent owned xtr kit since 1st gen v brakes.. Are bits like the crank still worth the xtr dough??

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    Quote Originally Posted by VQuick View Post
    The whole 1x thing is great for people who can't climb steep **** anyway. 22x36 FTW!
    Or you could ride a bike with sensible size wheels that don't need thighs of thunder to get up to rolling speed.

    Just sayin'

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    Re: For the love of THE GRANNY

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    Mine has 22 teeth. Just Sayin'
    And they can be easily swapped out if needed.

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    Re: For the love of THE GRANNY

    Quote Originally Posted by Back2MTB View Post
    Going to switch from 3x9 to 2x10 next year
    Why bother? What problem are you solving?

    Did you currently spend 90% of your time in the middle ring? If so you may accomplish little other than putting a shift right in the middle of your most commonly used range of gears.

    I think 2x works best if you expect to spend the majority of the time in one of the rings. That's not true for me, and I'm tired of all the front shifting so I'm giving 1x10 a shot.

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    I am a middle ring kind of guy but I do use the whole range in my hood on an average full ride.

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    I have a 24 tooth on my 29er fully and a 22 on my fatbike.
    Going to try 28 single up front on my 29+... See how that works out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Back2MTB View Post
    .. Are bits like the crank still worth the xtr dough??
    Nah, XTR bits are never worth the money. At least for an amateur rider they arent. They cost more than double of the equivalent XT component and gains are at most, marginal.

    Cheers

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    I went from a 22/32/44 to 1x9 with 28t front and 11-34 rear. For 90% of my trails it was great but there were some steeps that had me wanting lower gearing. I thought about 11-36t (not low enough) and 1x10 11-42t (hard to justify the cost) but in the end went to 2x9 with 24/32/bash front. So far I am pretty happy with this setup and much prefer the 24t to the 22t I was using on the triple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYrr496 View Post
    I have a 24 tooth on my 29er fully and a 22 on my fatbike.
    Going to try 28 single up front on my 29+... See how that works out.
    I believe a 28 tooth ring gives you the same low ratio as 24 (assuming 42/36 cogs out back, respectively). When I do get another bike I'll be going from 3x10 to 1x11, and I think I'll try 30 first. Anything that can't handle I'd probably just walk half the time anyway.
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    I recently installed a WickWerks 22T/33T 2 x 10 setup on my Shimano 785 crankset. I spend most of my riding time in the 33T, but I definitely use the 22T as a bail out on some of the long and steep climbs we have here in Tahoe. At least for me, this setup has been great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Mumphry View Post
    I believe a 28 tooth ring gives you the same low ratio as 24 (assuming 42/36 cogs out back, respectively). When I do get another bike I'll be going from 3x10 to 1x11, and I think I'll try 30 first. Anything that can't handle I'd probably just walk half the time anyway.
    The thought of walking my MTB makes me /sad.

    JimmyC, what do you run out back with 22/33 up front?

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    For the love of THE GRANNY


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    I run an XT 11T-36T cogset. I wanted the low end gearing I had on my old Truvativ X9 triple (22T/33T/42T)---which worked really well for me in Tahoe. I didn't like pushing the 38T chainring on moderate Tahoe climbs---but the 33T feels just right for me. I have had zero regrets and don't miss the high end gearing at all. Could I have gone to a 1 x 11 fitted with a 28T chainring and a 11T-42T cogset to get similar gearing? Sure. However, utilizing what I already had and swapping out a few chainrings was a much cheaper alternative--and I don't mind my FD at all.

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    Thanks Jimmy, I very much appreciate the serious feedback to a somewhat 'wacky' post!

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    My pleasure.

    I get the fact that many folks don't like the complications of the FD---but I am not on the same page for my local riding. I am currently fit enough to ride with my 33T chainring 90% to 95% of the time up here in Tahoe---but that is not always the case. If work gets in the way and my fitness suffers, there is no way I can push the 33T chainring that much without getting some/significant knee pain (maybe I am just too old at 47). Could I live without the granny? I suppose I could---but I am usually stoked that I have the option to keep riding rather than dismounting and walking. Different strokes for different folks.

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    Exactly, it's a trade off. A 1x setup is sweet if it has the range you need 9x% of the time. It's a personal call what x is and how big your range needs to be.

    The drawbacks of a FD and second shifter are minor but relative to the above may be significant to you. At the same time, because 1x is new and hot, a lot of people want it but may not ultimately prefer it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    1X, 28-front, 11-42 rear, can climb most stuff that other mortals can climb and don't have to dink around with a front der. But if you like running a 2x front, rock on.
    Ditto, except I run 30T front. 30-42 is plenty low.
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    With my 22 front 42 rear I can ride up the side of a building.
    Wick werks 33/22 are the perfect goat gears for me.
    Last edited by Trail_Blazer; 07-16-2014 at 04:52 AM.

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    I love granny. Long live the 3x crank!

    Quote Originally Posted by Back2MTB View Post
    Well, I was attempting some amount of humor but 28x11 isnt enough to set my new max downhill speed on the ride home (currently 47.95mph)...
    This is one big concern – I wind up on pavement occassionally, and I hate running out of gears.

    I ride 3x9s: 44/32/22 chainrings, and an 11-36 cassette. It happens often enough that going downhill I'm topped out at 33-35mph in 27th gear trying to upshift, but there's no more gears...

    So, I'm going to install 48/34/24 cranks.


    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyC View Post
    ... I am currently fit enough to ride with my 33T chainring 90% to 95% of the time up here in Tahoe---but that is not always the case... Could I live without the granny? I suppose I could---but I am usually stoked that I have the option to keep riding rather than dismounting and walking.
    Exactly, I hate pushing my bike. I gear down and keep pedalling 'til the hill is so steep that I'm constantly wheelying or spinning the rear tire.

    On the other hand, the biggest/lowest 2-3 gears are useless on my current set-up – I just wheely or spin the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Back2MTB View Post
    Mine has 22 teeth. Just Sayin'
    Ditto. And i have all of my own teeths.

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    With a 24 front/42 rear combo, I have no doubt that you can ride up a side of a building. LOL.

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    Yes!

    I get some flack for having a granny (esp. in Ohio), but I've used it to conquer some pretty steep, long climbs out-of-state. My old granny gear lasted 15 yrs. (4 different bikes), so that tells you how often I used it. But it's nothing to have on there if you already have a FD.

    On the other end, I gotta have that 44-11. I pedal like a roadie when I'm on the road, so I'm pedaling down the hills, too. 50mph is attainable, but I really gotta be up for it and on the right hill. I probably couldn't do it right now (this season has pretty much been a bust ).

    Now, what tires do I need to climb a building?

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    I just built up a hardtail with a 1x10 setup. 30t up front and 11-34 in the back.
    For my local rides, it's perfect. This weekend I'm headed to Tahoe and I'm hoping it will be ok....we'll see how it goes...
    My SS is 34-19 so I'm used to standing when I need to...

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    To Fleas: For me, Specialized Ground Control tires climb anything and are more durable and faster in the sworks edition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rzims View Post
    I just built up a hardtail with a 1x10 setup. 30t up front and 11-34 in the back.
    For my local rides, it's perfect. This weekend I'm headed to Tahoe and I'm hoping it will be ok....we'll see how it goes...
    My SS is 34-19 so I'm used to standing when I need to...
    Really depends on WHERE you are riding in Tahoe. There are some rides you can make it happen (Emigrant trail is one) but if you are trying to ride up the road to Corral Upper, then you are going to be toast unless you are a seriously strong climber for extended periods (like 4 miles +)

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    I just went from a 24T to a 22T small ring, kept the 38 big. Having one more gear really helps on those long days, when you've been riding for hours, and still have one more 2000' climb in front of you.

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    I did a loop with my some friends last weekend--we headed up Corral (pavement)/Connector (pavement)/Armstrong/Freel Peak Shoulder/Star Lake/Cold Creek. One of my buddies is a very strong local rider and grunted it out the whole way with a 30T/11-42 1 x 10. I tried to push my 33T big ring and 36 cog to see how far I could get---but had to bail into my granny about 25% up Freel Peak shoulder. I would have been walking much of that section without my granny. I love my GRANNY!

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    not sure I'm ready for a 4 mile climb....this could be a painful weekend...not sure where we're riding. I haven't ridden up there but a couple of times and always following someone who knows where we're going...
    oh well, what doesn't kill you and all that....

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    I mistyped earlier. I'm using 22/33 front and 12-42 (from a 11-36) in back.
    Perfect goat gears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail_Blazer View Post
    With my 22 front 42 rear I can ride up the side of a building.
    Wick werks 33/22 are the perfect goat gears for me.
    Folks we have a winner!!

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    33/22 with a 42 rear sounds awesome. Pretty sure a 22 front counts as a granny. 33/11 max though.. meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail_Blazer View Post
    I mistyped earlier. I'm using 22/33 front and 12-42 (from a 11-36) in back.
    Perfect goat gears.
    This is definitely unorthodox, but I was thinking of doing something similar.
    I currently have X01 with a 26T ring. 26x42 is about the same as 22x36.

    Obviously I give up high end, which I don't care about much, but there are some occasions when I'm on pavement and spinning out.

    I almost switched over to a 2x system, but that's expensive. Easier, would be to keep my rear mech and 10-42, and just convert the front to 2x. I could keep the X1 crank and put a 2x spider on it, get a front derailleur, and I would have an easy conversion to a 2 x 11 system with massive range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyC View Post
    I did a loop with my some friends last weekend--we headed up Corral (pavement)/Connector (pavement)/Armstrong/Freel Peak Shoulder/Star Lake/Cold Creek. One of my buddies is a very strong local rider and grunted it out the whole way with a 30T/11-42 1 x 10. I tried to push my 33T big ring and 36 cog to see how far I could get---but had to bail into my granny about 25% up Freel Peak shoulder. I would have been walking much of that section without my granny. I love my GRANNY!
    This!!! My buddy and I did it about the same time you did and I thank the lord I had my granny. He was able to push his 32/36 (1x10) setup most of the way up to Upper Corral but had to walk about 1/3 mile up the last real steep section. Me, well I am more out of shape than him so I had to walk a few times in my 22/34 setup. Can't imaging trying to grunt up that hill in a 30/42 setup.

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    I'm riding a 2X10, 22-33 front/11-36 rear which is the stock setup of my bike.

    It's a good setup that helps me climb most of the uphills.

    I love my granny and use it a lot on rough climbes.

    I'm not that enthusiastic about all these new 1X setups anyway, so if I'll have an upgrade it's probably gonna be a 42t out back. It's simple, not too expensive and make it easier for me on those nasty, technical and very steep uphills.

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